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84541   Shaman   2017 Jun 21, 3:27pm  

Game of Thrones?

84542   Tenpoundbass   2017 Jun 21, 4:44pm  

It's the Polish buzzard.

84543   curious2   2017 Jun 21, 4:47pm  

The crowned bird seems like a theme in the kingdoms that became Cisleithania:

(Wappen Herzogtum Schlesien)

84545   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 21, 5:12pm  

Made you work. Good.

PS. Jeebus, apparently the TV dorks who need sarcasm alert do have their prototype IRL. :rolleye:

84546   Booger   2017 Jun 21, 5:20pm  

Rotate the picture so that the bird faces up.

Include another picture showing the whole thing. Include something in this picture that we can use as a size reference (I like to use a ruler, but coins are also often used for this purpose).

Information on where obtained is sometimes helpful. For example, if from an estate, information about the deceased might be helpful.

Post all of this here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/history
Someone there will probably know.
A few other subreddits might know as well.

I tend to agree with curious2's first post here.

84547   Dan8267   2017 Jun 21, 5:42pm  

Straw Man says

Made you work. Good.

Made you look like a fool by taking two minutes. Better.

Also made you admit you are a trolling and lying. This destroys your credibility. Also better.

84548   Y   2017 Jun 21, 9:21pm  

0 for 4 and you coming back for more?

84549   Bellingham Bill   2017 Jun 21, 10:04pm  

Democrats pissed off rich conservatives by raising their capital gains taxes to pay for poorer peoples' health insurance subsidies.

This could not be allowed to stand, it's the camel's nose of big-S "Robin Hood" Socialism.

I will say that it saddens me marginally to hear the attacks on AHCA being it cutting taxes on rich people, when in reality it's more of a return to the status quo ante, removing what was imposed in 2013 or whenever.

I hope the GOP passes the meanest bill they dare. Let the electorate feel -- 'good and hard' as the man said -- what the difference is between the center-right Dems and currently far-right GOP.

84550   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:04pm  

Despite it being a favorite GOP talking point, it's a total lie. Obamacare didn't pass in a non-partisan way, but it was done in full daylight and exposure to the process.

There is only one reason the current ACHA bill hides in darkness now: it's going to be harmful to people and the GOP is ashamed of it. Trump called the last go 'round "mean". You think this is going to be any gentler? Absolutely not.

84551   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:08pm  

Straw Man says

Made you work. Good.

Dan8267 says

This destroys your credibility.

Dead on.

84552   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:13pm  

JazzMusic says

the representatives blatant expression of disinterest in the electorate

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

84553   Rew   2017 Jun 21, 10:15pm  

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

84554   curious2   2017 Jun 21, 10:28pm  

Rew says

curious2 says

Appears they will do something horrific and then turn around and skewer Trump as a mends, when the time is right.

Irrelevant. The full text was made available for ACA. No such thing has happened for the 'Wealthcare' bill.

I did not write the words that you attributed to me. If you are going to try to quote me, try using the words I wrote. If you want to argue with yourself, leave me out of it.

Meanwhile, you still haven't answered any of my questions here and here.

84555   HEY YOU   2017 Jun 21, 11:31pm  

My investments always go up & never go down.
Notice that no one ever mentions losing money.

84556   Booger   2017 Jun 22, 4:41am  

I was also thinking Prussian, but really can't say why. Germany didn't exist as a country, so the bird could possibly be the emblem of any city or state from any German speaking place.

84557   lostand confused   2017 Jun 22, 6:01am  

My pick in the oil drillers has gone south. But otherwise I am out , parked it in bonds for a bit-lets see.

84558   Y   2017 Jun 22, 6:23am  


84559   Y   2017 Jun 22, 6:24am  


84560   Ceffer   2017 Jun 22, 11:55am  

Bottom line, you cannot legally or ethically become a "reseller" of any prescribed drug. Even if the drug can be demonstrated to be untampered (the assumption being that a prescribed drug in the care, custody and control of and end user is by definition no longer untampered), then the "reseller" is assuming the responsibilities of a licensed prescribing entity "doctor" and a licensed selling entity "pharmacist" for whatever consequences may befall the new end user.

The hypothetical price or value of the medicine is irrelevant. Either find a way of appropriately disposing of it, or take it back to a pharmacist and let him decide what to do with it.

84561   justme   2017 Jun 22, 12:20pm  

I have two sets of epi-pens that (still) are very costly and I'm bummed that I can't give them away without possibly facing liability or maybe even prosecution. There ought to be a "good samaritan" law that allowed people to donate their unused medications to those in need without having to worry.

84562   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 12:47pm  

justme says

There ought to be

a repeal of the Rx requirement. It adds costs without commensurate benefit. Its purpose and effect are to maximize spending, and it operates as designed, as you have experienced.

anonymous says

would you trust someone you never met

I've never met most pharmacists. I've read of lethal pharmacy errors, and I've seen pharmacy errors, and "errors" like placing a sticker over an expiration date. I might trust someone who uses his real name and can tell me the chain of custody and storage conditions. The current mandatory Rx system enables a lot of hidden abuse, including expired or overheated drugs, and unwanted substitutions by mistake or "mistake".

84563   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 3:25pm  

anonymous says

they do not lose that much

Some, e.g. doxycycline, can turn toxic. IMMV. Storage conditions, including especially temperature, can make a big difference. Meds stored in a refrigerator or cool basement can last a lot longer than in if kept in a warm storage room with ventilation windows that let in the sun.

BTW, USA is the only country I know of that requires you to buy individually decanted pills, not even in the manufacturer's packaging. Generics can vary a lot, and most people don't even know who made them. Seriously, people have died from brick&mortar pharmacy errors. The USA has the most expensive medical system on earth, and it is chronically unreliable: most people don't know what they're getting.

84564   RWSGFY   2017 Jun 22, 3:33pm  

Drive to Tijuana and unload them there.

84565   Rew   2017 Jun 22, 3:43pm  

You can see a lot of things in common with a spoon like this.

The 12 number is strong indicator toward Germany. The year and that number are dead on right. Further details likely need someone who has "better information" ... aka ... books of hallmarks.

84566   Shaman   2017 Jun 22, 4:07pm  

You can legally buy prescription antibiotics for your dog on the web if it's for fish. Same exact stuff packaged with a fish on the bottle.

84567   curious2   2017 Jun 22, 4:16pm  

Certainly some drugs can store a very long time if stored correctly, which is why I mentioned a refrigerator or cool basement.

anonymous says

staying in constant contact with your physician...

sounds really high maintenance to me, and very expensive. Most physicians don't have that much time for one patient, unless maybe a really lucrative patient like Michael Jackson, and look how that worked out. Many doctors can get misled by drug marketers, e.g. the Oxycontin fraud where doctors were told specifically that it was not habit forming. I've seen doctors deny adamantly the existence of side effects that are widely documented, after marketers had assured them and smiled and maybe given them a pen or a pizza or consulting payment.

Your life depends on your house, but that doesn't stop people from doing their own maintenance. Same with cars, though cars on public roads must pass inspection.

I have a visceral reaction against mandatory dependence, borrowing & spending, etc. It seems very unhealthy to me, usually presented by advertisers and lobbyists representing their clients' interests at the expense of everyone else.

84568   Rew   2017 Jun 22, 4:36pm  

Yes. I believe the 12 denotes the purity of silver.

"Assay marks for silver purity found on German and Polish silver of the 18th & 19th centuries.
The Loth system divided silver into 16 parts. 16/16 for pure silver 15=.937 14=.875 13=.812 12=.750"

Your date is 1860. It's German. .750 Silver.

I just don't know if that is a family crest, a state crest, or what the King's Game/Match/Lottery refers to.

Edit: Ok, it could be Polish too I suppose. I'm no expert, but everything I see screams German to me. ;)

84569   steverbeaver   2017 Jun 22, 4:39pm  

I think the symbol may indicate the city of origin. That seems to be a practice for old silversmiths / metal crafters.

84570   Rew   2017 Jun 22, 4:41pm  

steverbeaver says

I think the symbol may indicate the city of origin. That seems to be a practice for old silversmiths / metal crafters.

That, or a family crest. Yes.

Edit: Specifically, N/E German & Poland areas is strong indicator for that symbology and time.

84571   justme   2017 Jun 22, 5:58pm  

I though it might be useful to enumerate all the meanings of Gewinnspiel:

http://www.dict.cc/german-english/Gewinnspiel.html

Gewinnspiel {n}
contest
raffle
sweepstake
competition
lottery
prize game

The other question is the meaning of König (eng. King). I'm leaning toward the brand name or advertising/promotional theory. If it was supposed to stand for Royal or King's, the adjective Königlich would have been used.

But IF it were a price in a Royal lottery, perhaps a scheme to raise money to pay for some war :).

84572   Dan8267   2017 Jun 22, 6:18pm  

Rew says

Ok, it could be Polish too I suppose. I'm no expert, but everything I see screams German to me. ;)

You can test to see if it's German. Just place it next to some other spoons and see if it tries to annex them.

84573   Booger   2017 Jun 22, 6:21pm  

I'm agreeing with Rew on the 12, as well as its meaning. Look at it carefully.

If that piece of paper is 8.5 X 11, that's a pretty big spoon. Makes me wonder if the King's Game was an eating competition.

84574   Booger   2017 Jun 22, 6:35pm  

Trumps tariffs haven't been enacted yet, but it will happen eventually.

84575   Y   2017 Jun 22, 6:46pm  

30 posts on a little shit spoon.
Wheres the politics in it?

84576   FortWayne   2017 Jun 22, 8:18pm  

So we'll finally be able to visit good old Nick.

84577   SoTex   2017 Jun 22, 9:41pm  

SubOink says

today was brutal for our little coal miner...anyone know what's going on? I saw NO news

Unusual trading day. Very flat up until close to close. Buying back?

84578   HEY YOU   2017 Jun 22, 10:33pm  

I've been following Guy McPherson for years.
Sorry that this is more than 140 characters.
You'll be connected to more links than can be comprehended at one time?

"Updated most recently, likely for the final time, 2 August 2016."
It's gotten more worser,faster since then?

Scroll down to "Self-Reinforcing Feedback Loops",69 at that time.
"As nearly as I can distinguish, only the latter three feedback processes are reversible at a temporal scale relevant to our species. Once you pull the tab on the can of beer, there’s no keeping the carbon dioxide from bubbling up and out. These feedbacks are not additive, they are multiplicative: They not only reinforce within a feedback, the feedbacks also reinforce among themselves (as realized even by Business Insider on 3 October 2013)."

https://guymcpherson.com/climate-chaos/climate-change-summary-and-update/

84579   HEY YOU   2017 Jun 22, 10:43pm  

The unknowingly unemployed will be receiving a notice from your "Rapid Response Dislocation Worker Program Director"
We no longer need you OVERPAID LOSERS!
Sorry you believed capitalism would benefit you .

84580   anonymous   2017 Jun 22, 10:52pm  

the fact that HEY YOU is balls deep in man-made climate change is reason enough to believe it to be total fucking bullshit.

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