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So we'll see who the snowflakes are.

There’s no need to wait, it’s already abundantly clear to any thinking person that the people whinging about the NFL players making peaceful protest to the greatest of injustices, are the Special Snowflakes.

They’re also disingenuous disinteresting losers, which couldn’t keep their word for even one week. I told you

TwoScoopsMcGee says

He just won over a huge swath of the generally apolitical and what remains of working class white Dems. He'll carry PA and WI, etc. by an even wider margin in 2020.

His approval ratings seem to differ with you.



Not sure exactly when he started this fight, but it looks to be pretty closely aligned with his latest drop in approval ratings.

He just put a fork in his chances in the suburbs. He can kiss WI and PA goodbye.

It's funny that all of the Trumpcucks are up in arms when ESPN fires Schilling or Google fires the guy who wrote the memo. But they fight tooth and nail for the NFL monopoly to censor their employees.

Just another example of the extreme hypocrisy of Trumpcucks.

errc says

nobody should be compelled to stand for it

You're right. Those people are free to quit, and go play for another professional league.

joeyjojojunior says

His approval ratings seem to differ with you.

Kinda like all those polls in the days before November 8th.

"How DARE you question 538?! He WILL lose!! Polls are accurate, it's science, just like 32 Genders!"

TwoScoopsMcGee says

joeyjojojunior says

His approval ratings seem to differ with you.

Kinda like all those polls in the days before November 8th.

"How DARE you question 538?! He WILL lose!! Polls are accurate, it's science, just like 32 Genders!"

So what is an accurate Approval Rating?

For Americans who vote, not your office coworkers in South America.

errc says

So what is an accurate Approval Rating?

For Americans who vote, not your office coworkers in South America.

Depends on who is taking the polls.

We all know nearly every single poll in 2016 was dead wrong or else we'd have the Hag of Benghazi in charge.

errc says

So what is an accurate Approval Rating?

For starters, one that doesn't oversample Dems.

And, said the report from Bombthrowers.com, one outfit, the Economist, used 58 percent more Democrats than Republicans in a recent poll on Trump's approval ratings.

"In every poll, Democrat respondents outnumbered Republicans by significant amounts. The Economist poll was the worst. Only 24 percent of respondents (360) were Republicans compared to 38 percent (570) Democrats – which means that 58 percent more Democrats were polled than Republicans, as shown in the %D/R column. On average, in these seven widely recognized national polls, only 29 percent (409 people) of the total 1,383 polled were Republicans, while 37 percent (518) were Democrats. Another way of saying it is that, on average, 29 percent more Democrats than Republicans were polled," wrote James Simpson, an economist, businessman and journalist.

Simpson called the practice "fraud."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/fraud-mainstream-polls-use-29-more-democrats-than-republicans/article/2635271

"Adults" mean they spoke to anybody, including illegals, tourists, students on a visa...

So post an accurate poll, then

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Kinda like all those polls in the days before November 8th.

"How DARE you question 538?! He WILL lose!! Polls are accurate, it's science, just like 32 Genders!"

Of course. If the facts don't agree with your narrative--FAKE NEWS!!!

When the facts agree with your narrative--they're FACTS, duh!!

me123 says

errc says

So post an accurate poll, then

Feel free to put just a bit of effort in and produce it yourself.

Typical Bernie voter, wants everyone else to do the work.

In other words, you don’t have one. Tell us something we don’t already know

Goran_K says

You're right. Those people are free to quit, and go play for another professional league.

Just like people who can stop going to Google, Facebook, or YouTube to get their news, right?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

For starters, one that doesn't oversample Dems.

And 538 adjusts for that. But, in truth, you and CIC are wrong to assume that the proper sampling is 50/50. It absolutely is NOT.

There are a LOT of people who claim to not be Republicans who have voted straight party ticket for Rs for the last 20 years.

errc says

So post an accurate poll, then

Why is this so impossible for you to do?

Goran_K says

We all know nearly every single poll in 2016 was dead wrong or else we'd have the Hag of Benghazi in charge.

Nope. Every single national poll had Hillary winning by ~2%. And she won by slightly more than 2%.

National polling was VERY accurate. Much more accurate than usual.

A few select state polls were off, mostly because of a timing issue where late deciding voters broke heavily for one candidate (Trump). It wasn't a sampling or polling issue, it was just a timing issue.

If you need a law to tell people to be patriotic, you are running a shitty organization.

Patriotism should be common sense.

joeyjojojunior says

National polling was VERY accurate.

Lolz.

joeyjojojunior says

National polling was VERY accurate. Much more accurate than usual.

joeyjojojunior says

Of course. If the facts don't agree with your narrative--FAKE NEWS!!!

When the facts agree with your narrative--they're FACTS, duh!!

Kind of like what Ben Rhodes said the other day:



If I like it, it's a protest where you stand for what you believe (sound of Trumpets, Angelic Chorus). If I don't like it, it's a culture war stunt.

So McGee--tell me again why it's bad for Google to "censor" it's employee and for YouTube to "censor" its videos, but it's good for the NFL monopoly to censor its employees?

CIC-- You really need to stop posting and let the adults have a discussion.

me123 says

errc says

errc says

So post an accurate poll, then

Why is this so impossible for you to do?

You just asked yourself, have you provided it yet?

I’m not the one calling all the polls fake news. You’re claiming they’re in accurate, so post one that is accurate or stfu

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

anonymous says

cultural marxism is way more preferrable to economic marxism

The end game of both is the same. Cultural Marxism will require economic Marxism to come to fruition

justme says

An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

Another one who keeps spewing the same WRONG bullshit and ignores FACTS.

So tell us, how much will that Jemell chick win in court from ESPN?

me123 says

NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for national anthem

Aww SHIT. More political correctness and virtue signaling.

I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.

Here in the States, im not sure where you’re tallying wins from that list, but maybe if I lived 1000+ miles away from America, and only saw this unfolding from afar on twitter etc., maybe then I’d get what you were going on about

justme says

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.

And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.

CBOEtrader says

justme says

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.

The NFL doesn’t have any problem with it, it’s just the Special Snowflakes Trumpcucks whinging about Americans doing the most American of things : peacefully protesting the government brutally murdering its citizens.

Welcome to bizarro world

joeyjojojunior says

And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.

Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting

joeyjojojunior says

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

joeyjojojunior says

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country

errc says

You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

I think the NFL players are brats to kneel.

I think the NFL owners/admins are full of PR Bullshit when they try to dodge taking on the Kneeling by using Freedom of Speech.

For the goddamn upteenth time, the NFL fines and suspends players for saying Dammit, making hand gestures, wearing Cancer Awareness Eyeblack, and basically runs their lives. But on this one issue all of a sudden the NFL is all about FREEDOMZ (tm)? Bullshit PR to dodge dealing with the issue, I say.

The only government action I thought would be necessary is pulling their tax-free, and taxpayer subsidized, largess. There STILL is no reason the NFL should be tax free even when they stand for the pledge going forward.

errc says

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country

Errc, do you realize that it just happened? That the NFL just gave in to the fans after sharp drops in viewership? Hence the celebratory mood?

The Fans pressured the heavily Taxpayer Subsidized, Government Endorsed NFL and the wealthy Team Owners, to give up trying to kiss SJW ass - all using their Freedom of Choice.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

You didn't.. Free speech is the players being allowed to exercise their rights.

CBOEtrader says

Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting

McGee. He's the special snowflake that has started thread after thread complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.

joeyjojojunior says

Free speech is the player's being allowed to exercise their rights.