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Goran_K says

We all know nearly every single poll in 2016 was dead wrong or else we'd have the Hag of Benghazi in charge.

Nope. Every single national poll had Hillary winning by ~2%. And she won by slightly more than 2%.

National polling was VERY accurate. Much more accurate than usual.

A few select state polls were off, mostly because of a timing issue where late deciding voters broke heavily for one candidate (Trump). It wasn't a sampling or polling issue, it was just a timing issue.

If you need a law to tell people to be patriotic, you are running a shitty organization.

Patriotism should be common sense.

joeyjojojunior says

National polling was VERY accurate.

Lolz.

joeyjojojunior says

National polling was VERY accurate. Much more accurate than usual.

joeyjojojunior says

Of course. If the facts don't agree with your narrative--FAKE NEWS!!!

When the facts agree with your narrative--they're FACTS, duh!!

Kind of like what Ben Rhodes said the other day:



If I like it, it's a protest where you stand for what you believe (sound of Trumpets, Angelic Chorus). If I don't like it, it's a culture war stunt.

So McGee--tell me again why it's bad for Google to "censor" it's employee and for YouTube to "censor" its videos, but it's good for the NFL monopoly to censor its employees?

CIC-- You really need to stop posting and let the adults have a discussion.

me123 says

errc says

errc says

So post an accurate poll, then

Why is this so impossible for you to do?

You just asked yourself, have you provided it yet?

I’m not the one calling all the polls fake news. You’re claiming they’re in accurate, so post one that is accurate or stfu

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

anonymous says

cultural marxism is way more preferrable to economic marxism

The end game of both is the same. Cultural Marxism will require economic Marxism to come to fruition

justme says

An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

Another one who keeps spewing the same WRONG bullshit and ignores FACTS.

So tell us, how much will that Jemell chick win in court from ESPN?

me123 says

NFL owners to consider rule change that would require players to stand for national anthem

Aww SHIT. More political correctness and virtue signaling.

I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

I'm almost getting Tired of Winning. Antifa is just Antifascist, NFL is apolitical (LOL!), It wasn't "Both Sides" in Charlottesville, Weinstein (You Report Abuse, We'll Shut Up!), etc.

ESPN: "Requiring players to stand is like slavery".

What a joke that network is.

Imagine JEB!!!! being a doormat on each and every issue.

Here in the States, im not sure where you’re tallying wins from that list, but maybe if I lived 1000+ miles away from America, and only saw this unfolding from afar on twitter etc., maybe then I’d get what you were going on about

justme says

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.

And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.

CBOEtrader says

justme says

Y'all know what I think about this already:

If the NFL enacts the proposed rule, the NFL player's union should take the NFL to court, all the way to the supreme court, if necessary. And in SCOTUS, the NFL will loose. An employer cannot demand (compel, impose on) of employees to speak politically. The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

They absolutely do not have freedom of expression as far as their jobs w the NFL are concerned. They can say whatever they want, but the NFL can withhold paychecks (fine them) or fire them as they please. The player is free to quit and voice whatever opinion he wants OR he is free to voice his opinion and bear the penalty of the NFL's employment contract.

The NFL doesn’t have any problem with it, it’s just the Special Snowflakes Trumpcucks whinging about Americans doing the most American of things : peacefully protesting the government brutally murdering its citizens.

Welcome to bizarro world

joeyjojojunior says

And, really, this is the type of win you were hoping for when you elected Trump? Forcing people to pay homage to a US flag?

I know you're a nationalist, but come on.

Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting

joeyjojojunior says

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

joeyjojojunior says

But Google or YouTube censoring is bad, right?

joeyjojojunior says

Do you even care about being consistent anymore?

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country

errc says

You’re demanding that the NFL players stop kneeling and you’re demanding that the NFL owners do something about it.

I think the NFL players are brats to kneel.

I think the NFL owners/admins are full of PR Bullshit when they try to dodge taking on the Kneeling by using Freedom of Speech.

For the goddamn upteenth time, the NFL fines and suspends players for saying Dammit, making hand gestures, wearing Cancer Awareness Eyeblack, and basically runs their lives. But on this one issue all of a sudden the NFL is all about FREEDOMZ (tm)? Bullshit PR to dodge dealing with the issue, I say.

The only government action I thought would be necessary is pulling their tax-free, and taxpayer subsidized, largess. There STILL is no reason the NFL should be tax free even when they stand for the pledge going forward.

errc says

If you don’t like it stop watching football or stop going to the games. I can’t remember the last time I watched the Anthem before a game, do they even broadcast it? If so don’t watch for two minutes if you’re so triggered. Or pony up a few sheckles for Redzone channel, if they have that in your country

Errc, do you realize that it just happened? That the NFL just gave in to the fans after sharp drops in viewership? Hence the celebratory mood?

The Fans pressured the heavily Taxpayer Subsidized, Government Endorsed NFL and the wealthy Team Owners, to give up trying to kiss SJW ass - all using their Freedom of Choice.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Pssst.... Free Speech means you can mock other's opinions/speech, yes? Where did I mention ESPN ought to be gagged by law?

It's just a failing network that continues to fail.

You didn't.. Free speech is the players being allowed to exercise their rights.

CBOEtrader says

Who are you talking to?

The entire NFL situation is silly. Associating playing football w patriotism is a marketing tactic. Its silly. This marketing tactic is at odds w the social justice marketing tactic.The NFL is a cold, corporate beast that is blatantly virtue signalling to make money. It'd be refreshing to separate a game from any of that nonsense.

Unfortunately they've painted themselves into a corner. This is gonna get interesting

McGee. He's the special snowflake that has started thread after thread complaining because a few NFL players didn't properly respect a piece of cloth painted red and blue.

joeyjojojunior says

Free speech is the player's being allowed to exercise their rights.

joeyjojojunior says

So McGee--tell me again why it's bad for Google to "censor" it's employee and for YouTube to "censor" its videos, but it's good for the NFL monopoly to censor its employees?

Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization while on the clock.

justme says

The employees have freedom of expression, including the freedom not to express the opinion of the employer.

Really? You're going to claim that every single Hollywood actor with an opinion just happens to have the exact same opinion as their studio employers and every other actor?

Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?

Or could it possibly be that they don't express their true opinions because toeing the company line is required of the job?

Quigley says

Every single newscaster has the exact same opinion about everything?

The job of a newscaster or an actor IS to read the script placed in front of them.

It is not the job of NFL football players to participate in employer-mandated political ceremonies and express the political views of the owners. The same observation applies to almost any other job you can think of, except for, well, newscasters and actors.

Do you understand the difference?

me123 says

This is why NFL players are kneeling

Your argument (see original graph) is that it is ok for white people to kill unarmed black people, black people who were not a threat to anyone, because white people, on a per capita basis, kill fewer black people than black people do.

That's one of the most perverse interpretations of what constitutes justice that I have ever heard. It's like saying that we need not prosecute white people for killing black people because they white people have not filled their quota yet.

Can you grasp the sheer evil and stupidity of what you are saying? I doubt it, but give it a try.

me123 says

Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?

OR if they are concerned w police brutality, how about any of the incidents involving white people? Oh that's right, f poor white people cause they have "privilege". Let's ignore the most scientific study done on the topic showing cops are more likely to shoot whites than blacks https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/07/13/why-a-massive-new-study-on-police-shootings-of-whites-and-blacks-is-so-controversial/?utm_term=.9f276a6462cf
AND lets ignore the fact that cops are now too scared to do their jobs properly in Chicago, thus allowing the murder rate of black men to skyrocket in Chicago. http://heyjackass.com/
Nah, fuck all the facts that could actually guide us to help people, and lets just boil it down to "fuck white people, cause racism."

NFL = National Felons League

FortWayne says

Because the difference is that Google employee was discussing with other employees company policies internally. While NFL ball chasing idiots were getting involved into national politics outside their organization.

I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.

It should be illegal to fire someone for discussing company policies internally? Really?

rktbrkr says

NFL = National Felons League

Clever! I see what you did there.

me123 says

joeyjojojunior says

I love the way people on here must twist and squirm to try to pretend to be consistent.

Not everyone here gets paid to troll like you do.

You mean you spend this much time and effort here for free? Wow--you are a real loser.

me123 says

The NFL assholes are protesting blacks being killed by white cops. That chart clearly shows that's the smallest number of homicides. If these players were REALLY SJW, they should be concerned with ALL homicides.

Why haven't they come out protesting Black on Black killings?

Black people who murder black people get prosecuted and convicted.
Police that murder black people are not being prosecuted and convicted.

THAT is the injustice that BLM and many others protest against. Are you going to pretend that you have not understood that, or are you really so dense that you have not understood that?

me123 says

Someone needs to try and educate you, but it's really a lost cause.

I'm the one getting paid. I think someone needs to educate you!

me123 says

I'm glad you've finally admitted why you TROLL all the time.

So why do you do it?

PCGyver says

Because if you did you forgot to mention that this study was done in HOUSTON.

This is pedantic idiocy. Are you unable to read the most basic summary yourself? I didn't only read the article, I read the actual study. Try doing some basic research rather than just read headlines and articles

me123 says

justme says

Black people who murder black people get prosecuted and convicted.

They do? Care to provide verifiable stats, or is just another one of your theories that you pulled out of your ass?
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How about you tell us how many of these have been prosecuted and convicted?

If the identity of the murderer is known, and there is a videotape of the murder, yeah, I'd say pretty much 100% of black-on-black murders are prosecuted.

This is just more dumbassery from you. Are you really trying to argue that solved police-on-black murder cases should not be prosecuted because that very same police is not able to solve enough black-on-black murder cases? I guess so. Par for the course. You just painted yourself into yet another corner.