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CBOEtrader says

You are suggesting that someone needs to find, read, and organize every article on a shooting to have an informed opinion?

No, that's a false dichotomy, but you should have some knowledge. Your opinions are based on willful ignorance, and that is inexcusable.

Dan:

I can only answer some of the questions right now, but you may be surprised that I agree with you on most of the points.

Personally, I wouldn't trust ONLY the police having guns. The word "gun" existed in the late 18th century, but I expect Arms or Armaments are words carefully chosen so as to not limit the definition. That’s why I mentioned the cannon. Unfortunately, many poor people don't even trust the police to show up on time when they need them.

I completely agree with your point on private security if citizens cannot bear arms. Kimmel and Soros and “Cold Dead Hand" Jim Carrey are monumentally hypocritical bastards every time they leave home with their "private, legal, licensed protection". If the citizens can't have guns, than neither can they or the guards at the Late Show. They should be just as afraid that their hired Guido's heat will be confiscated as Bobby Joe Redneck ever was.

Nuclear weapon production, testing, storage, and disposal endangers the lives and personal liberties of many, many people that would never be targeted by them. Notice that I never even mentioned the nuclear weapons actually being used as such. The nuke argument only ever comes up as a trump card attempt. Ironically, no pun intended this time.

CBOEtrader says

Dan8267 says

An uninformed opinion deserves no respect

You are suggesting that someone needs to find, read, and organize every article on a shooting to have an informed opinion?

A false dichotomy. One doesn't have to choose between being completely ignorant or reading everything ever written in history. You are just trying to cover up that your opinions are based on complete and willful ignorance.

CBOEtrader says

Your logical thinking is yet again, terrible.

There is nothing wrong with not respecting opinions based on ignorance and misinformation. I know that conservatives find this culturally offense, but ignorance is not respectable.

me123 says

You always know when you win an argument with Dan when he goes to the gutter with his reply.

Piggy makes thousands of "you're a faggot" insults, but cannot take it when someone reveals his affinity for animal husbandry. Hypocrisy much?

The fact that CBOEtrader is one of his buddies says all you need to know about that fool as well.

Dan8267 says

If you are

anonymous says

Making Dan a moderator of anything is a fucking joke.

Piggy logs out immediately after posting bullshit and then posts more bullshit anonymously to look like someone else. He doesn't even wait 60 seconds between the posts. Anyone want to take a bet that I'm wrong, that the second post doesn't come from the same IP address as the first?

This is why
1. Anonymous posts should not be allowed.
2. Registering new users should require SMS verification making alts at least somewhat difficult and limited.

me123 says

Dan, you should really consider growing up and stop acting like a spoiled, crybaby second grader. Your immature rants and name calling get you ZERO respect here. Wonder why your love of goats thread has -7 Upvotes? Go look in the mirror!

I don't wonder at all. You have created dozens of alts. The rest of us have lives and don't have the time to waste creating an army of PatNet alts to rig like votes on a site with a very small user base. You really have nothing better to do.

me123 says

Anonymous posts have to be approved by Patrick before they get submitted to the forum.

If Patrick were policing every single anonymous post, he would not have let many of them through.

me123 says

See, even Patrick thinks you're a flaming asshole, since he lets those posts in.

Piggy, you are the only person on this site that Patrick has explicitly stated is a bad human being. You and Shrek are the only two idiots ever to be banned and to have their accounts deleted. 'Nuff said.

me123 says

Nice try, it sucks that Patrick thinks you're an asshole

I'm willing to be that is wrong. Are you man enough to take a bet?

Agree to this bet. If Patrick says he thinks I'm an asshole, I'll immediately leave PatNet and never come back. If Patrick says he does not think I'm an asshole, you will immediately leave PatNet and never come back. No alts. No posts. Nothing.

Are you willing to agree to this or are you a complete fucking pussy and liar? We already know the answer. You won't agree to it or you will renege once Patrick states his position. I know this for the exact same reason you shitted your pants and hide instead of meeting me at any neutral location. You are a coward, a liar, an imbecile, and a loser. You will chicken out of the above bet or renege on it. But hey, prove me wrong for the first and only time in your life.

So now you're claiming that Patrick is a lying sack of shit who would not be honest in the above bet. Wow, you are really a pussy. I mean, people throw the term pussy around just as an insult, but you really are a coward who cannot stand by his own statements. No wonder no woman would ever want you. Cowardice has never been sexy.

Also, it's nice that piggy thinks my coding skills are valuable. I know he didn't mean to pay me that compliment, but it's an inescapable conclusion from his childish insult.

Dan8267 says

deepcgi says

I’m not a gun guy, but I am an insatiable advocate of individual rights and personal liberty.

Why would the freedom to possess machines that fling mass projectiles be any more an individual right or personal liberty than the freedom to possess machines that split Uranium atoms or machines that invade human cells and alter their DNA in lethal ways? We certainly do not allow the latter two, so why the former?

Don't be daft.

Devices that hurl projectiles have recreational and self defense purposes when possessed by an individual. They have been safely used for such purposes by the overwhelming majority of civilian owners since their invention. A responsible user can safely deploy these weapons without threatening the safety of others.

The uranium splitting machines are not practical for recreational or self defense use by individuals. They cannot safely be used for recreational or self defense purposes on the continental United States without threatening the safety of others.

Your reasoning is flawed by years of corrupt programming and self induced Taylor Swifting.

Dan8267 says

Cowardice has never been sexy.

Dan has a lot of personal experience in not being sexy, so I take his word on the subject as reliable in this instance.

Dan8267 says

Agree to this bet. If Patrick says he thinks I'm an asshole, I'll immediately leave PatNet and never come back. If Patrick says he does not think I'm an asshole, you will immediately leave PatNet and never come back. No alts. No posts. Nothing.

Jesus christ dan. Grow the fuck up. Just because piggy is a moron you don't have to match his stupidity post for post filling up the entire board with this 5 year olds on the playground bullshit. What does that make you? Insult him once because he deserves it for being the village idiot then ignore him.

PeopleUnited says

Your reasoning is flawed by years of corrupt programming and self induced Taylor Swifting.

Quote of the year. You summed up Dan perfectly in this one sentence.

PeopleUnited says

Don't be daft.

Devices that hurl projectiles have recreational and self defense purposes when possessed by an individual. They have been safely used for such purposes by the overwhelming majority of civilian owners since their invention. A responsible user can safely deploy these weapons without threatening the safety of others.

The uranium splitting machines are not practical for recreational or self defense use by individuals. They cannot safely be used for recreational or self defense purposes on the continental United States without threatening the safety of others.

Your reasoning is flawed by years of corrupt programming and self induced Taylor Swifting.

Talk about flawed reasoning.. Does the 2nd Amendment mention anything about hurling projectiles? Or recreational/defense purposes?

I'll answer that--NO.

Either you're for the 2nd Amendment or not. Which is it?

Joey,

You want to talk about the second amendment? Are you for it? Why do you hold this position? Do you think it means the people have the right to bear nuclear arms? Is that why your panties are in a bunch? If you want to have a conversation you need to actually present some dialog not just more daft questions.

PeopleUnited says

Devices that hurl projectiles have recreational and self defense purposes when possessed by an individual.

Pot has recreational purposes. That does not make it a right.

As for self-defense, guns are worthless against the government, and fighting the government was the SOLE purpose of the Second Amendment. You need nukes to fight a nuclear power. So your entire analysis is wrong.

Furthermore, every person is safer in a society that has few or no guns than in a society that is well-armed. This has been proved by the Australian example and by western Europe.

Finally, you still haven't addressed all the other arms that individuals are not allowed to possess like land mines, grenades, flame throwers, etc., all of which can be used for home defense.

PeopleUnited says

Dan has a lot of personal experience in not being sexy,

Your wife begs to differ.

bob2356 says

Jesus christ dan. Grow the fuck up.

Your entitled to your opinion, but you have done nothing to help the situation and you fling insults as often as I do, so you are a hypocrite. You clearly hate me, yet you do not follow your own advice and ignore me. Lead by example.

joshuatrio says

Quote of the year. You summed up Dan perfectly in this one sentence.

In other words, you cannot make an intelligible counter-argument to the original post and must resort to ad hom attacks instead.

PeopleUnited says

You want to talk about the second amendment? Are you for it? Why do you hold this position? Do you think it means the people have the right to bear nuclear arms? Is that why your panties are in a bunch? If you want to have a conversation you need to actually present some dialog not just more daft questions.

Do I want to talk about it? Yes, I think it's relevant to the discussion.
Am I for it? Not really important. Why do I hold that position? Because I'm not a Supreme Court judge
Do I think it means the people have the right to bear nuclear arms? I think it says:

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

So it depends on your definition of arms. As you referred to them as "nuclear arms", it appears you think they qualify as arms. So, my question is how you can you NOT believe that people have the right to bear them?

Is that why your panties are in a bunch? No idea what you are talking about here.

me123 says

Don't you see that as a unfair advantage?

The most deadly weapon is a strong set of beliefs backed by a will to pay the ultimate price for them.

There were many unfair advantages against the newly formed Americans the first time, and we won. We had many advantages in Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq and frankly the US has been on the losing side of those engagements, to a good degree. Architecture of aggression will only go as far as your aggression and will can compel you to go.

me123 says

Exactly, the definition of arms.

When the 2nd was written, the Militia had the same "arms" as the government. Does the Militia have access to the same "arms" the government has now?

Don't you see that as a unfair advantage?

So you are in favor of private citizens having the right to own nuclear arms too--just like peopleunited then, right?

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

Devices that hurl projectiles have recreational and self defense purposes when possessed by an individual.

Dan8267 says

Pot has recreational purposes. That does not make it a right.

PeopleUnited says

Ok, and your point is?

Dan8267 says

As for self-defense, guns are worthless against the government, and fighting the government was the SOLE purpose of the Second Amendment. You need nukes to fight a nuclear power. So your entire analysis is wrong.

PeopleUnited says

You are saying that the whole point of the second amendment was that people have the right to fight the government? You are crazy and dangerous. You should be on some kind of watch list. You are advocating treason.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, every person is safer in a society that has few or no guns than in a society that is well-armed. This has been proved by the Australian example and by western Europe.

PeopleUnited says

No, these "examples" are irrelevant to your argument that the purpose of the second amendment was to give citizens the weapons to wage war on the government. You said so yourself. And now you want to argue a different point. You don't even have a coherent discussion.

Dan8267 says

Finally, you still haven't addressed all the other arms that individuals are not allowed to possess like land mines, grenades, flame throwers, etc., all of which can be used for home defense.

PeopleUnited says

Some of the above could possibly be used safely to defend oneself without endangering the innocent but land mines are not on that list.

joeyjojojunior says

PeopleUnited says

You want to talk about the second amendment? Are you for it? Why do you hold this position? Do you think it means the people have the right to bear nuclear arms? Is that why your panties are in a bunch? If you want to have a conversation you need to actually present some dialog not just more daft questions.

Do I want to talk about it? Yes, I think it's relevant to the discussion.
Am I for it? Not really important.



So in other words you are unwilling to answer your own question.

Pretty lame.

PeopleUnited says

So in other words you are unwilling to answer your own question.

Pretty lame.

I'm not unwilling to answer it--I just don't want this to turn into a discussion about me. I don't really care if you're for or against the 2nd Amendment, I only want to point out hypocrisy in most peoples' views.

Assuming that most people don't think individual citizens should have the right to nuclear arms or drones carrying bunker busting bombs, then they've already decided that the 2nd Amendment doesn't guarantee people the right to ALL arms. It's just a questions of which ones are regulated. And once we realize that, it's a much easier discussion to have.

So now libbies want to take away the "undecided" position.
Libbies, always taking, never giving...

joeyjojojunior says

Either you're for the 2nd Amendment or not. Which is it?

Agreed.
joeyjojojunior says

So, my question is how you can you NOT believe that people have the right to bear them?

Is that why your panties are in a bunch? No idea what you are talking about here.