Today Trump Became President ... again
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anonymous
2017 Oct 31, 10:50am
YesYNot says
So paying some Russians for dirt on Trump is not collusion.
Getting some money in exchange for "access" is not obvious corruption by foreign powers. (it's "charity").
But expressing a favorable opinion of making some shady DNC dealing public... that is collusion and an impeachable offense...
Give me a break.
Democrats need to take a step back and try to look at this objectively.
If Trump signaled to the Russians that he was OK with them hacking DNC and HRC campaigns in exchange for favorable positions regarding Russia, that's collusion. Even signaling that he was OK with it is collusion in my opinion. Because if Trump doesn't see it as a problem, and it helps Trump, then he sees it as favorable, and will want to return the favor.
So paying some Russians for dirt on Trump is not collusion.
Getting some money in exchange for "access" is not obvious corruption by foreign powers. (it's "charity").
But expressing a favorable opinion of making some shady DNC dealing public... that is collusion and an impeachable offense...
Give me a break.
Democrats need to take a step back and try to look at this objectively.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 31, 10:53am
CBOEtrader says
So you are saying hiring criminals for your campaign is cleaning up the swamp?
This doesn't change the fundamental truth that his (known) corruption crimes are from years earlier. It has nothing to do with Trump, or his 9 weeks working with the campaign.
So you are saying hiring criminals for your campaign is cleaning up the swamp?
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anonymous
2017 Oct 31, 11:27am
bob2356 says
Are you confusing a political blow and an impeachment?
So you are saying hiring criminals for your campaign is cleaning up the swamp?
Are you confusing a political blow and an impeachment?
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:28am
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:28am
bob2356 says
Only the best Bob. Only the best.
Happy Halloween all ...
So you are saying hiring criminals for your campaign is cleaning up the swamp?
Only the best Bob. Only the best.
Happy Halloween all ...
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:36am
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:36am
anon_b2f35 says
Oh, I think Dems are seeking to protect and ensure all leads are chased: Dem, Ind, Repub, or Trumptard.
You will only see hand-waving, excuse making, and pleading for the investigation to stop from one side: Trump and the base.
The small fish are starting to fall inline now with pleas and cooperation already ...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/31/sam-clovis-senate-russia-investigation-244370
... at this pace, we just sit back, and watch things unwind.
Trump is pleading to the void "DO SOMETHING!" ... because he cannot. ;)
Democrats need to take a step back and try to look at this objectively.
Oh, I think Dems are seeking to protect and ensure all leads are chased: Dem, Ind, Repub, or Trumptard.
You will only see hand-waving, excuse making, and pleading for the investigation to stop from one side: Trump and the base.
The small fish are starting to fall inline now with pleas and cooperation already ...
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/31/sam-clovis-senate-russia-investigation-244370
... at this pace, we just sit back, and watch things unwind.
Trump is pleading to the void "DO SOMETHING!" ... because he cannot. ;)
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:47am
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:47am
Heraclitusstudent says
The most Pro-Russian president of my lifetime? One bending over in Ukraine? One loathe to level sanctions unanimously passed by Congress against Russia? An America retrenching to isolationism, alienating allies, and running from its spot of "leader of the free world"? Civil unrest and divisiveness in the US itself? The gift of an ineffectual government in your largest adversary?
If you are wondering what Russia got, I don't think you are paying attention at all.
Collusion means he was helping the Russians. In what sense? What did the Russian need from Trump to do what they were doing, and have been doing long before there was a Trump in the picture?
The most Pro-Russian president of my lifetime? One bending over in Ukraine? One loathe to level sanctions unanimously passed by Congress against Russia? An America retrenching to isolationism, alienating allies, and running from its spot of "leader of the free world"? Civil unrest and divisiveness in the US itself? The gift of an ineffectual government in your largest adversary?
If you are wondering what Russia got, I don't think you are paying attention at all.
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 12:07pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 12:07pm
curious2 says
Trump exposes himself to further political damage and continues to up the points on the "obstruction of justice" scale for himself.
Additionally, a pardon would go to a legal challenge, as I believe Trump cannot pardon Manafort for two reasons:
A) His charges are mostly local and with the city of New York.
B) There would be a constitutional challenge back. Because, as an example, the President cannot hire someone to commit a crime, and then pardon them. There are other examples that can fit here as well, but essentially it is an improper use of pardon.
My favorite is what happens after people are pardoned though. :) Anyone charged and then pardoned can still be called for questioning ... and they then lose the right to the 5th. If they are then caught perjuring themselves, refuse to testify, etc. they keep wracking up charges. Trump going to keep on pardoning? ;)
There is a significant political cost to pardoning as well.
The more I look at this though, Trump actually may not be able to walk away now though. I wonder if it is too late. That may depend on Mueller's sense of justice in some regards, which is fierce, non-partisan, and that of the ultimate g-man.
Trump supporters better start thinking what the excuses are going to be if/when hard evidence against Trump is presented. I guess flat refusal of belief, and some vast deep-state conspiracy, is all you will have.
I don't understand how anyone can seriously believe the President would quit if his family were threatened. He would much more likely pardon his family, and counter-attack against his opponents. He might even pardon Manafort.
Trump exposes himself to further political damage and continues to up the points on the "obstruction of justice" scale for himself.
Additionally, a pardon would go to a legal challenge, as I believe Trump cannot pardon Manafort for two reasons:
A) His charges are mostly local and with the city of New York.
B) There would be a constitutional challenge back. Because, as an example, the President cannot hire someone to commit a crime, and then pardon them. There are other examples that can fit here as well, but essentially it is an improper use of pardon.
My favorite is what happens after people are pardoned though. :) Anyone charged and then pardoned can still be called for questioning ... and they then lose the right to the 5th. If they are then caught perjuring themselves, refuse to testify, etc. they keep wracking up charges. Trump going to keep on pardoning? ;)
There is a significant political cost to pardoning as well.
The more I look at this though, Trump actually may not be able to walk away now though. I wonder if it is too late. That may depend on Mueller's sense of justice in some regards, which is fierce, non-partisan, and that of the ultimate g-man.
Trump supporters better start thinking what the excuses are going to be if/when hard evidence against Trump is presented. I guess flat refusal of belief, and some vast deep-state conspiracy, is all you will have.
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 12:08pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 12:08pm
curious2 says
Sorry I missed this in reply above.
Yes, I am presuming Trump has compassion for his family. Maybe I am wrong.
I don't understand how anyone can seriously believe the President would quit if his family were threatened.
Sorry I missed this in reply above.
Yes, I am presuming Trump has compassion for his family. Maybe I am wrong.
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Heraclitusstudent
2017 Oct 31, 12:13pm
Heraclitusstudent
2017 Oct 31, 12:13pm
The page of the NYT is funny. The titles:
- "Mueller’s First Indictments Send a Message to the President"
As in "I have nothing".
- "Editorial: Is the White House Scared Yet?"
Is Trump supposed to be scared? What is it? A Halloween special?
- "The Plot Against America: Robert Mueller hands a gangster administration its first indictments."
Hummm... no these guys indicted are not part of the administration.
- "Why George Papadopoulos Is More Dangerous Than Paul Manafort: The adviser’s guilty plea is evidence of collusion with Russia."
... Yeah he tried to get dirt, the way we know the DNC paid to get dirt.
These people are working themselves up to orgasm level before being within a mile of their target.
- "Mueller’s First Indictments Send a Message to the President"
As in "I have nothing".
- "Editorial: Is the White House Scared Yet?"
Is Trump supposed to be scared? What is it? A Halloween special?
- "The Plot Against America: Robert Mueller hands a gangster administration its first indictments."
Hummm... no these guys indicted are not part of the administration.
- "Why George Papadopoulos Is More Dangerous Than Paul Manafort: The adviser’s guilty plea is evidence of collusion with Russia."
... Yeah he tried to get dirt, the way we know the DNC paid to get dirt.
These people are working themselves up to orgasm level before being within a mile of their target.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 31, 12:14pm
Sniper says
Which podesta was it that was indicted? I missed that one on the news.
On the roll piggy. Spin, spin, spin.
bob2356 saysSo you are saying hiring criminals for your campaign is cleaning up the swamp?
@bob2356
We'll have to ask Tony Podesta that question, since his brother John left the company in 1993... Oh wait, John was still having conversations with Tony as late as 2015 or later.
Which podesta was it that was indicted? I missed that one on the news.
On the roll piggy. Spin, spin, spin.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 31, 12:22pm
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 31, 12:22pm
Sniper says
When will you start to refute facts instead of slinging poop at the messenger? Never? Sniper says
Haven't you learned yet, when you use WaPo as your source to support your narrative, you've already lost?
When will you start to refute facts instead of slinging poop at the messenger? Never? Sniper says
rely on FACTS instead of hyperbole?Jesus, this is comical. The fact is that Trump changed the Republican platform on Russia around the time of the convention. The WaPo is correct. You are just using hyperbole instead of facing that simple undisputed fact.
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Oct 31, 12:32pm
Sniper says
Or you could simply point out where the WaPo article is wrong and show why it's wrong.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. We all know you'll never do that. You are the king of attacking the messenger.
If you really want to support your delusional narrative, why don't you try posting a Fox News link instead of WaPo.
That might add some credibility to your radical, left wing, liberal trolling.
Or you could simply point out where the WaPo article is wrong and show why it's wrong.
HAHAHAHAHAHA. We all know you'll never do that. You are the king of attacking the messenger.
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curious2
2017 Oct 31, 1:38pm
curious2
2017 Oct 31, 1:38pm
Rew says
That comment doesn't make sense. If your family were threatened, would you quit and run away? The compassionate thing would be to pardon them, and face the MSM handwringing that the President is already facing anyway.
You keep talking about "obstruction of justice," which is a statutory offense. You seem not to understand that the Presidential pardon power is an express authorization in the Constitution itself. Almost any pardon would necessarily block the whole DoJ process, and could thus be called "obstruction of justice," but you can't erase an expressly authorized Constitutional power by citing a mere statute. Again, read your Constitution, it's free online.
You have a point about the 5th Amendment, but one hears a lot of "I don't recall" in Congressional testimony. Sometimes, people do get convicted of perjury for saying they don't recall, but that's rare. Also, in a federal case, the President could pardon them for that, too.
You have a point about state and local charges, but a President can make life difficult for a state that chooses to make life difficult for his family, even if it happens to be his home state.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I marvel at the TDS and I feel dismayed that certain Navy guys can't figure out the President's strategy. I see the same IRL, and a recent military times survey showed Navy officers in particular had the highest disapproval for the commander in chief, while the Marines had the strongest support. Just because you can't understand a particular strategy doesn't mean there is none. You look at a guy who succeeded across multiple fields where many fail, and who became a billionaire and President of the United States, and you refuse flatly somehow to believe that he has any strategy. That makes no sense, and it leaves you tiring yourself out over distractions while the Republicans control the entire federal government and most of the states.
curious2 saysI don't understand how anyone can seriously believe the President would quit if his family were threatened.
Sorry I missed this in reply above.
Yes, I am presuming Trump has compassion for his family. Maybe I am wrong.
That comment doesn't make sense. If your family were threatened, would you quit and run away? The compassionate thing would be to pardon them, and face the MSM handwringing that the President is already facing anyway.
You keep talking about "obstruction of justice," which is a statutory offense. You seem not to understand that the Presidential pardon power is an express authorization in the Constitution itself. Almost any pardon would necessarily block the whole DoJ process, and could thus be called "obstruction of justice," but you can't erase an expressly authorized Constitutional power by citing a mere statute. Again, read your Constitution, it's free online.
You have a point about the 5th Amendment, but one hears a lot of "I don't recall" in Congressional testimony. Sometimes, people do get convicted of perjury for saying they don't recall, but that's rare. Also, in a federal case, the President could pardon them for that, too.
You have a point about state and local charges, but a President can make life difficult for a state that chooses to make life difficult for his family, even if it happens to be his home state.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I marvel at the TDS and I feel dismayed that certain Navy guys can't figure out the President's strategy. I see the same IRL, and a recent military times survey showed Navy officers in particular had the highest disapproval for the commander in chief, while the Marines had the strongest support. Just because you can't understand a particular strategy doesn't mean there is none. You look at a guy who succeeded across multiple fields where many fail, and who became a billionaire and President of the United States, and you refuse flatly somehow to believe that he has any strategy. That makes no sense, and it leaves you tiring yourself out over distractions while the Republicans control the entire federal government and most of the states.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 31, 1:59pm
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Oct 31, 1:59pm
curious2 says
Interesting. What stood out to me in Trump's favorability in military.
Officers: -23%.
Enlisted: +10%
Only 30% of officers approve of Trump.
a recent military times survey showed Navy officers in particular had the highest disapproval for the commander in chief, while the Marines had the strongest level of support
Interesting. What stood out to me in Trump's favorability in military.
Officers: -23%.
Enlisted: +10%
Only 30% of officers approve of Trump.
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curious2
2017 Oct 31, 5:26pm
curious2
2017 Oct 31, 5:26pm
YesYNot says
I saw that too, but I would have liked to see the percentages by deployment or station. Most Navy officers have no contact with hostile Muslims; many are literally at sea, and others are sailing a desk or, at best, favored customers in a Gulf regime port. In contrast, many enlisted Marines and soldiers have direct experience searching the homes and phones of average Ahmeds. They see the videos on the phones, the Osama screen savers, etc. Those videos cannot be unseen. One Islamic State favorite features a hit parade of sniper videos, the sniper's eye view, as the Islamic State snipers shot American soldiers to death. Imagine your buddy getting killed and then you find that video on dozens of phones. Cops in Scandinavia report seeing the same videos, but complain they can't do anything about it, because possessing the videos isn't even illegal. NATO politicians try to censor the videos here, because they have a polarizing effect. The videos recruit Muslims, and turn (i.e. educate) non-Muslims against Islam. So, the same difference of opinion exists between the 'high altitude' elite who say what they're paid to say, vs the ground level guys who see with their own eyes.
In 2016, Donald Trump became the first major candidate for the Presidency to speak candidly about Islam since probably the 19th century. Winston Churchill and American generals in WWII said similar things, but they weren't running for President in 2016. Islam hasn't changed. What has changed is Petrodollar corruption since Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA, and consequently "elite" American leaders' degree of familiarity with what Islam says and does.
Sometimes, the dogs are the first to detect hostile intruders. The humans outrank the dogs, and might have more education, and might at first ignore and even resent the barking, but that doesn't make the dogs wrong.
Officers: -23%.
Enlisted: +10%
I saw that too, but I would have liked to see the percentages by deployment or station. Most Navy officers have no contact with hostile Muslims; many are literally at sea, and others are sailing a desk or, at best, favored customers in a Gulf regime port. In contrast, many enlisted Marines and soldiers have direct experience searching the homes and phones of average Ahmeds. They see the videos on the phones, the Osama screen savers, etc. Those videos cannot be unseen. One Islamic State favorite features a hit parade of sniper videos, the sniper's eye view, as the Islamic State snipers shot American soldiers to death. Imagine your buddy getting killed and then you find that video on dozens of phones. Cops in Scandinavia report seeing the same videos, but complain they can't do anything about it, because possessing the videos isn't even illegal. NATO politicians try to censor the videos here, because they have a polarizing effect. The videos recruit Muslims, and turn (i.e. educate) non-Muslims against Islam. So, the same difference of opinion exists between the 'high altitude' elite who say what they're paid to say, vs the ground level guys who see with their own eyes.
In 2016, Donald Trump became the first major candidate for the Presidency to speak candidly about Islam since probably the 19th century. Winston Churchill and American generals in WWII said similar things, but they weren't running for President in 2016. Islam hasn't changed. What has changed is Petrodollar corruption since Nixon's disastrous deals with KSA, and consequently "elite" American leaders' degree of familiarity with what Islam says and does.
Sometimes, the dogs are the first to detect hostile intruders. The humans outrank the dogs, and might have more education, and might at first ignore and even resent the barking, but that doesn't make the dogs wrong.
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bob2356
2017 Oct 31, 6:10pm
Sniper says
Want to take another shot at it? Which podesta was it that was indicted. Run piggy run.
bob2356 saysWhich podesta was it that was indicted? I missed that one on the news.
You miss them all.
Want to tell us who Company A and Company B are in the indictment?
Want to take another shot at it? Which podesta was it that was indicted. Run piggy run.
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anonymous
2017 Oct 31, 6:20pm
Heraclitusstudent says
They're setting themselves up for a massive disappointment. Have they learned nothing from Election Night?
The page of the NYT is funny. The titles:
- "Mueller’s First Indictments Send a Message to the President"
As in "I have nothing".
- "Editorial: Is the White House Scared Yet?"
Is Trump supposed to be scared? What is it? A Halloween special?
- "The Plot Against America: Robert Mueller hands a gangster administration its first indictments."
Hummm... no these guys indicted are not part of the administration.
- "Why George Papadopoulos Is More Dangerous Than Paul Manafort: The adviser’s guilty plea is evidence of collusion with Russia."
... Yeah he tried to get dirt, the way we know the DNC paid to get dirt.
These people are working themselves up to orgasm level before being within a mile of their target.
They're setting themselves up for a massive disappointment. Have they learned nothing from Election Night?
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bob2356
2017 Oct 31, 6:30pm
Sniper says
Yep, you managed to do that. Want to answer the question now? Run piggy run.
Shuck and Jive , Bullshit Bobby.
Shuck and Jive, you do it so well!
Yep, you managed to do that. Want to answer the question now? Run piggy run.
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 9:46pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 9:46pm
curious2 says
I'm aligned with you on Trump now offering pardons to family members. I agree that's what he will do if family end up in the net. But his motivations aren't compassion, wholly. It's because based on what I see from the past two days, it is actually Trump's only option if that occurs now. He can no longer resign and crawl away. We crossed a point of no return for him yesterday.
curious2 says
The constitution does not allow a President to be a criminal, or employ/create criminals, and then pardon them (i.e. enable criminals for self gain). While a charge of obstruction is a criminal charge, what follows a criminal charge by a President?
Answer: censure or impeachment, which are both totally political.
curious2 says
As stated before, yes, Trump can continually pardon those charged. You seem to think that is without cost though. Ask Arizona GOP how the Joe Arpaio pardon is going for them? Know what it did to Trump's approval ratings? I know he does.
curious2 says
A narcisist winning the presidency for personal vindication has no plan or strategy beyond the win itself. Trump is transactional and reactionary being. He is no great thinker, diplomat, scholar, warrior, statesman, or alliance maker. Trump is simply a showman interested in being on TV and liked.
Or do you really believe he is trying to save the American middle class?
YesYNot says
It's the same education factor we see with civilians. Officers, predominantly, hold BSs and BAs. It's also the fact that Trump consistently says, "my military" and "my generals", especially when saying they have decision making power so that any blame for operations is shirked from himself onto the servicemen and woman. Leadership 101 right? Always blame your subordinates ... errr ... wait.
curious2 says
Where an enlisted man walks there is a young Lieutenant or Ensign not far away.
The rest is a typical attitude of those who don't know, or would like to believe Naval service isn't forward deployed, engaged with the enemy, and somehow "less risky" than boots on the ground. To date for 2017, we have lost more on ships than in Afghanistan.
That comment doesn't make sense. If your family were threatened, would you quit and run away? The compassionate thing would be to pardon them, and face the MSM handwringing that the President is already facing anyway.
I'm aligned with you on Trump now offering pardons to family members. I agree that's what he will do if family end up in the net. But his motivations aren't compassion, wholly. It's because based on what I see from the past two days, it is actually Trump's only option if that occurs now. He can no longer resign and crawl away. We crossed a point of no return for him yesterday.
curious2 says
Almost any pardon would necessarily block the whole DoJ process, and could thus be called "obstruction of justice," but you can't erase an expressly authorized Constitutional power by citing a mere statute. Again, read your Constitution, it's free online.
The constitution does not allow a President to be a criminal, or employ/create criminals, and then pardon them (i.e. enable criminals for self gain). While a charge of obstruction is a criminal charge, what follows a criminal charge by a President?
Answer: censure or impeachment, which are both totally political.
curious2 says
Also, in a federal case, the President could pardon them for that, too.
As stated before, yes, Trump can continually pardon those charged. You seem to think that is without cost though. Ask Arizona GOP how the Joe Arpaio pardon is going for them? Know what it did to Trump's approval ratings? I know he does.
curious2 says
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I marvel at the TDS and I feel dismayed that certain Navy guys can't figure out the President's strategy.
A narcisist winning the presidency for personal vindication has no plan or strategy beyond the win itself. Trump is transactional and reactionary being. He is no great thinker, diplomat, scholar, warrior, statesman, or alliance maker. Trump is simply a showman interested in being on TV and liked.
Or do you really believe he is trying to save the American middle class?
YesYNot says
Only 30% of officers approve of Trump.
It's the same education factor we see with civilians. Officers, predominantly, hold BSs and BAs. It's also the fact that Trump consistently says, "my military" and "my generals", especially when saying they have decision making power so that any blame for operations is shirked from himself onto the servicemen and woman. Leadership 101 right? Always blame your subordinates ... errr ... wait.
curious2 says
I saw that too, but I would have liked to see the percentages by deployment or station. Most Navy officers have no contact with hostile Muslims; many are literally at sea, and others are sailing a desk or, at best, favored customers in a Gulf regime port. In contrast, many enlisted Marines ...
Where an enlisted man walks there is a young Lieutenant or Ensign not far away.
The rest is a typical attitude of those who don't know, or would like to believe Naval service isn't forward deployed, engaged with the enemy, and somehow "less risky" than boots on the ground. To date for 2017, we have lost more on ships than in Afghanistan.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:36pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:36pm
YesYNot says
?? What was he doing during the campaign??
YesYNot says
I wouldn't doubt this if there were evidence. Its a likely story. However what did he actually DO towards that goal in regards to his position w trumps campaign? Are you making assumptions or do you know of something?
He was offering to update his Russian colleagues during the campaign
?? What was he doing during the campaign??
YesYNot says
and trying to figure out how best to monetize his position.
I wouldn't doubt this if there were evidence. Its a likely story. However what did he actually DO towards that goal in regards to his position w trumps campaign? Are you making assumptions or do you know of something?
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:43pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:43pm
Rew says
When you find hard evidence let us know...
In the meantime, we DO have hard evidence of DNC crimes regarding HRC's campaign. We also have plenty of hard evidence of HRC's past crimes.
So far no evidence regarding Trump whatsoever
if/when hard evidence
When you find hard evidence let us know...
In the meantime, we DO have hard evidence of DNC crimes regarding HRC's campaign. We also have plenty of hard evidence of HRC's past crimes.
So far no evidence regarding Trump whatsoever
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:49pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:49pm
Rew says
Lets say all of this is true and not just your fever dream... How does any of this help Russia?
Follow the money and influence. Putin and the Russians are nowhere near the most direct beneficiaries of civil unrest as blamed on trump by the left .
The most Pro-Russian president of my lifetime? One bending over in Ukraine? One loathe to level sanctions unanimously passed by Congress against Russia? An America retrenching to isolationism, alienating allies, and running from its spot of "leader of the free world"? Civil unrest and divisiveness in the US itself? The gift of an ineffectual government in your largest adversary?
Lets say all of this is true and not just your fever dream... How does any of this help Russia?
Follow the money and influence. Putin and the Russians are nowhere near the most direct beneficiaries of civil unrest as blamed on trump by the left .
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 10:54pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 10:54pm
CBOEtrader says
Yawn. You have tin-foil hat theories pushed by right wing propaganda outlets. Looks there will be some special investigations though. Hope you get some quality litigators and investigators there. You will need 'em.
I couldn't care less if they harpoon Hillary.
Can you say the same of Trump? ;)
In the meantime, we DO have hard evidence of DNC crimes regarding HRC's campaign. We also have plenty of hard evidence of HRC's past crimes.
Yawn. You have tin-foil hat theories pushed by right wing propaganda outlets. Looks there will be some special investigations though. Hope you get some quality litigators and investigators there. You will need 'em.
I couldn't care less if they harpoon Hillary.
Can you say the same of Trump? ;)
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CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:59pm
CBOEtrader
2017 Oct 31, 10:59pm
CBOEtrader says
Rew says
Oh, I think Dems are seeking to protect and ensure all leads are chased:
Great. Then you agree w Trey Gowdy that we should investigate Hillary and the DNC for money laundering and campaign finance violations. Ya know because $12 million invested secretly via a law firm violates the spirit of campaign finance law and is a major red flag for money laundering amongst a myriad of other crimes. Trey Gowdy described both the scale and method as "unheard of" .
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:18pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:18pm
CBOEtrader says
For what little I know, besides being pretty politically motivated, Gowdy seems like he has enough sense to call it like it is, which is to say he isn't a muck raker or fabricator.
I think they are investigating the FBI, the timeline and decisions around the HRC investigations, not HRC/the DNC. Right? They will also look into why the exoneration letter was written days before HRC or key people were even interviewed. I'm pretty sure the House committee is simply going to find that the FBI (Comey) knew they had zip, zero, nada, because it was all bogus.
Knock yourself out House Oversight. If they do find something to charge, excellent. Do be clear on "who" they are actually looking at though ... they are after the FBI itself. :) That's fun.
Gowdy is also telling all the GOP to back off Mueller and let him and the Russian probe do their job.
Then you agree w Trey Gowdy that we should investigate Hillary and the DNC for money laundering and campaign finance violations.
For what little I know, besides being pretty politically motivated, Gowdy seems like he has enough sense to call it like it is, which is to say he isn't a muck raker or fabricator.
I think they are investigating the FBI, the timeline and decisions around the HRC investigations, not HRC/the DNC. Right? They will also look into why the exoneration letter was written days before HRC or key people were even interviewed. I'm pretty sure the House committee is simply going to find that the FBI (Comey) knew they had zip, zero, nada, because it was all bogus.
Knock yourself out House Oversight. If they do find something to charge, excellent. Do be clear on "who" they are actually looking at though ... they are after the FBI itself. :) That's fun.
Gowdy is also telling all the GOP to back off Mueller and let him and the Russian probe do their job.
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Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:44pm
Rew
2017 Oct 31, 11:44pm
CBOEtrader says
The benefit to Russia is expanded influence and business across the globe. I don't mean to be insulting, but do you really not understand how nation states compete with one another?
CBOEtrader says
Most direct, maybe not, greatest beneficiaries ... absolutely. We are 10+ years, maybe two generations, away from reclaiming what we once had and it was pissed away in under a year.
Lets say all of this is true and not just your fever dream... How does any of this help Russia?
The benefit to Russia is expanded influence and business across the globe. I don't mean to be insulting, but do you really not understand how nation states compete with one another?
CBOEtrader says
Follow the money and influence. Putin and the Russians are nowhere near the most direct beneficiaries of civil unrest as blamed on trump by the left .
Most direct, maybe not, greatest beneficiaries ... absolutely. We are 10+ years, maybe two generations, away from reclaiming what we once had and it was pissed away in under a year.
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curious2
2017 Nov 1, 12:45am
curious2
2017 Nov 1, 12:45am
Rew says
When he declared his candidacy, I assumed that it was a publicity stunt, and that he would drop out as he had done in the past. I did guess correctly that he would never release his taxes, but I did not guess that he could win without doing that. He likes winning, and he might want a second term, even though I think that would be a mistake for both him and the republic. Ideally, he and the country should find an honorable way for him to retire, e.g. by replacing Mike Pence with Ivanka Trump. Jimmy Kimmel suggested promoting the President to King, which isn't even a real title in our system, but we can all agree to call him that and applaud while he waves in parades.
I do really believe he wants to provide for his children and grandchildren, and he is smart enough to know what Islam commands believers to do to them.
Rew says
Due almost entirely to episodes of poor seamanship on the part of Navy personnel, not due to getting shot or blown up by ISIL. Navy ships colliding accidentally with allied merchant vessels is even worse than running aground, which has also happened. Seriously, I'm surprised you would draw attention to those in this context; you're doing Beijing's PR job for them:
"Beijing ridicules Seventh Fleet after warships’ collisions
A semi-submersible ship – reportedly Chinese-built – has been deployed to tow the badly damaged USS John S McCain back to its home port in Yokosuka, Japan, after the 8,300-ton guided-missile destroyer’s collision in August that claimed the lives of 10 of its crew, and left another five injured.
The John S McCain will join the USS Fitzgerald, which was involved in an earlier collision with a container ship that killed seven in June.
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The fact that seamen on the sinking Fitzgerald, after a blackout that downed all electronic devices, had to use a private cellphone to send SOS signals has evoked much derision among fans of the Chinese military, as they jeered that ships of the ace US Seventh Fleet couldn’t even sail properly at night and therefore posed a grave danger to other vessels, as such collisions occurred not just once but twice."
You don't get to claim combat pay, nor steal any part of anyone else's glory, for accidentally crashing into an allied container ship.
Trump is simply a showman interested in being on TV and liked.
Or do you really believe he is trying to save the American middle class?
When he declared his candidacy, I assumed that it was a publicity stunt, and that he would drop out as he had done in the past. I did guess correctly that he would never release his taxes, but I did not guess that he could win without doing that. He likes winning, and he might want a second term, even though I think that would be a mistake for both him and the republic. Ideally, he and the country should find an honorable way for him to retire, e.g. by replacing Mike Pence with Ivanka Trump. Jimmy Kimmel suggested promoting the President to King, which isn't even a real title in our system, but we can all agree to call him that and applaud while he waves in parades.
I do really believe he wants to provide for his children and grandchildren, and he is smart enough to know what Islam commands believers to do to them.
Rew says
The rest is a typical attitude of those who don't know, or would like to believe Naval service isn't forward deployed, engaged with the enemy, and somehow "less risky" than boots on the ground. To date for 2017, we have lost more on ships than in Afghanistan.
Due almost entirely to episodes of poor seamanship on the part of Navy personnel, not due to getting shot or blown up by ISIL. Navy ships colliding accidentally with allied merchant vessels is even worse than running aground, which has also happened. Seriously, I'm surprised you would draw attention to those in this context; you're doing Beijing's PR job for them:
"Beijing ridicules Seventh Fleet after warships’ collisions
A semi-submersible ship – reportedly Chinese-built – has been deployed to tow the badly damaged USS John S McCain back to its home port in Yokosuka, Japan, after the 8,300-ton guided-missile destroyer’s collision in August that claimed the lives of 10 of its crew, and left another five injured.
The John S McCain will join the USS Fitzgerald, which was involved in an earlier collision with a container ship that killed seven in June.
***
The fact that seamen on the sinking Fitzgerald, after a blackout that downed all electronic devices, had to use a private cellphone to send SOS signals has evoked much derision among fans of the Chinese military, as they jeered that ships of the ace US Seventh Fleet couldn’t even sail properly at night and therefore posed a grave danger to other vessels, as such collisions occurred not just once but twice."
You don't get to claim combat pay, nor steal any part of anyone else's glory, for accidentally crashing into an allied container ship.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Nov 1, 3:04am
CBOEtrader
2017 Nov 1, 3:04am
Rew says
Throw anyone in prison who is guilty. IDGAF about Trump. I do care about swamp-led witch hunts wherein they chase away any outsiders from their club.
The swamp (repubs and dems, their billionaire masters, the shill media and universities who support them) has colluded to sell our country out for years for their own profit. The media has been a propaganda mouthpiece at least as far back as JFK https://twitter.com/iwillredpillyou/status/923735144057528320. We are a few steps away from a pure 1984 police state thanks to both Bush and Obama. So yes, it is of upmost importance to me that we enforce our laws against corrupt politicians and bring back constitutional limits of government.
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
By comparison, there has so far been no hard evidence regarding Trump. This is a "show me the man, I'll show you the crime" type of situation for the media. Legally, Trump is not in any way under investigation by Mueller or anyone else. The talking heads seem to forget that fact.
Can you say the same of Trump? ;)
Throw anyone in prison who is guilty. IDGAF about Trump. I do care about swamp-led witch hunts wherein they chase away any outsiders from their club.
The swamp (repubs and dems, their billionaire masters, the shill media and universities who support them) has colluded to sell our country out for years for their own profit. The media has been a propaganda mouthpiece at least as far back as JFK https://twitter.com/iwillredpillyou/status/923735144057528320. We are a few steps away from a pure 1984 police state thanks to both Bush and Obama. So yes, it is of upmost importance to me that we enforce our laws against corrupt politicians and bring back constitutional limits of government.
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
By comparison, there has so far been no hard evidence regarding Trump. This is a "show me the man, I'll show you the crime" type of situation for the media. Legally, Trump is not in any way under investigation by Mueller or anyone else. The talking heads seem to forget that fact.
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CBOEtrader
2017 Nov 1, 3:17am
CBOEtrader
2017 Nov 1, 3:17am
Rew says
Um... please explain how Antifa attacking any wrong thinker creates a motive for Russia. By your logic, if the USA is simply in competition with other nation states AND the USA having problems equates to a benefit for other nation states, then again why is Russia singled out? WikiLeaks DNC emails confirmed China, Russia, and Iran at a minimum ALL HAD HRC's emails since she decided to carry an unencrypted blackberry into china. This is a very clear violation of the espionage act. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
Either HRC is too technologically ignorant to run a 7/11 and refuses to follow basic protocol that may mildly inconvenience herself, or she sold out state secrets. Both the behavior and the damage would be the same in either scenario. Its a violation of the espionage act either way. Pure. Hard. Evidence.
I don't mean to be insulting, but do you really not understand how nation states compete with one another?
Um... please explain how Antifa attacking any wrong thinker creates a motive for Russia. By your logic, if the USA is simply in competition with other nation states AND the USA having problems equates to a benefit for other nation states, then again why is Russia singled out? WikiLeaks DNC emails confirmed China, Russia, and Iran at a minimum ALL HAD HRC's emails since she decided to carry an unencrypted blackberry into china. This is a very clear violation of the espionage act. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/793
Either HRC is too technologically ignorant to run a 7/11 and refuses to follow basic protocol that may mildly inconvenience herself, or she sold out state secrets. Both the behavior and the damage would be the same in either scenario. Its a violation of the espionage act either way. Pure. Hard. Evidence.
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joeyjojojunior
2017 Nov 1, 4:57am
CBOEtrader says
What a second--the hard evidence is WikiLeaks DNC emails showing that she carried a blackberry into China? That's your hard evidence?
Pure. Hard. Evidence.
What a second--the hard evidence is WikiLeaks DNC emails showing that she carried a blackberry into China? That's your hard evidence?
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Nov 1, 6:11am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Nov 1, 6:11am
CBOEtrader says
Many places reported that he made the offer to Deripaska. Here's one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.6c241e6f45b6
I don't have proof, but the reporting is that Mueller has the documents. It's not in the indictment, so if we stick to that, we don't have proof at the moment. But claiming it was all in the long ago past seems rich considering what is being reported and the nature of the man in question.
As far as the connection goes between Manafort and Podesta, we will have to see. This seems like a fair write-up: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/357884-podesta-group-is-one-of-the-companies-mentioned-in-manafort. It was not John Podesta, but his brother. Podesta claims that he has signed affidavits claiming that the intermediary he was supposed to be working for was not a foreign government. I have no idea how likely it is that he was not in the know.
?? What was he doing during the campaign??
Many places reported that he made the offer to Deripaska. Here's one: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/manafort-offered-to-give-russian-billionaire-private-briefings-on-2016-campaign/2017/09/20/399bba1a-9d48-11e7-8ea1-ed975285475e_story.html?utm_term=.6c241e6f45b6
I don't have proof, but the reporting is that Mueller has the documents. It's not in the indictment, so if we stick to that, we don't have proof at the moment. But claiming it was all in the long ago past seems rich considering what is being reported and the nature of the man in question.
As far as the connection goes between Manafort and Podesta, we will have to see. This seems like a fair write-up: http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/357884-podesta-group-is-one-of-the-companies-mentioned-in-manafort. It was not John Podesta, but his brother. Podesta claims that he has signed affidavits claiming that the intermediary he was supposed to be working for was not a foreign government. I have no idea how likely it is that he was not in the know.
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anonymous
2017 Nov 1, 6:31am
The swamp (repubs and dems, their billionaire masters, the shill media and universities who support them) has colluded to sell our country out for years for their own profit
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Your missing the two biggest players: The Militarized Police State, and the Christian Church. Why do you think that is? It doesn’t get any swampier and anti-American then The Church and The Police State, shitting all over the Constitution and the people of this country 24/7.
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Your missing the two biggest players: The Militarized Police State, and the Christian Church. Why do you think that is? It doesn’t get any swampier and anti-American then The Church and The Police State, shitting all over the Constitution and the people of this country 24/7.
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FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Nov 1, 7:29am
FNWGMOBDVZXDNW
2017 Nov 1, 7:29am
CBOEtrader says
I would say that there are two reasons. First and foremost is documentation that has been reported on but has not been released publicly. Second is what Russia has been doing around the world lately. They have reportedly been more aggressive in this area. China is just quietly (at least under the radar in our press) building relationships to supplant our position as top economic power. Russia has been meddling in elections and supporting dissent in other countries.
None of the evidence of this has been made public, so you have to believe in our institutions (press and intel agencies). If you think that those are totally corrupt and involved in a giant conspiracy to do ___ , then you will most likely side with Trump.
By your logic, if the USA is simply in competition with other nation states AND the USA having problems equates to a benefit for other nation states, then again why is Russia singled out?
I would say that there are two reasons. First and foremost is documentation that has been reported on but has not been released publicly. Second is what Russia has been doing around the world lately. They have reportedly been more aggressive in this area. China is just quietly (at least under the radar in our press) building relationships to supplant our position as top economic power. Russia has been meddling in elections and supporting dissent in other countries.
None of the evidence of this has been made public, so you have to believe in our institutions (press and intel agencies). If you think that those are totally corrupt and involved in a giant conspiracy to do ___ , then you will most likely side with Trump.
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bob2356
2017 Nov 1, 7:39am
CBOEtrader says
Trump has been president 10 months now with the investigative resources of the entire federal government at his disposal along with your claim of a mountain of hard evidence and hillary hasn't even been looked into at all.
So what happened to throw hillary in jail? Is trump massively corrupt and on hillarr's payroll or is he the most incompetent president in history?
Want to explain this paradox? I'll be waiting and waiting and waiting.
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
Trump has been president 10 months now with the investigative resources of the entire federal government at his disposal along with your claim of a mountain of hard evidence and hillary hasn't even been looked into at all.
So what happened to throw hillary in jail? Is trump massively corrupt and on hillarr's payroll or is he the most incompetent president in history?
Want to explain this paradox? I'll be waiting and waiting and waiting.
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Rew
2017 Nov 1, 11:55am
Rew
2017 Nov 1, 11:55am
CBOEtrader says
Disunity of the people, fracturing of political will, further stalling of progress to address anything needed in the US = opportunity for any American competition. When you become so inwardly focused you think the fractions of people in Antifa are a real threat, you have absolutely taken your eye off the real threats.
CBOEtrader says
Excellent. Hillary and Trump can both be served up. I agree.
CBOEtrader says
"Corruption" as in chargeable by criminal wrongdoing? I don't think so. To date she has weathered everything. She is either bulletproof, or the accusations were garbage. Take your pick.
curious2 says
Hehehe. "poor seamanship". You think suddenly the Navy forgot how to steer the boats? A series of collisions isn't sign of something else? There is a reason they require pilots to have roughly 8 hours of sleep, and not exceed a flight time of 12 hours. Got anything like that for helmsmen? Also check out combat deaths versus accidental deaths for the US military. Being deployed is typically the most dangerous thing itself. (well except when being back at home, being a jackass drinking and driving is.)
GOSH DANG IT! Regulations ruining everything again ...
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/20/navy-issues-new-sleep-and-watch-schedule-rules-for-the-surface-fleet/
Um... please explain how Antifa attacking any wrong thinker creates a motive for Russia.
Disunity of the people, fracturing of political will, further stalling of progress to address anything needed in the US = opportunity for any American competition. When you become so inwardly focused you think the fractions of people in Antifa are a real threat, you have absolutely taken your eye off the real threats.
CBOEtrader says
Throw anyone in prison who is guilty. IDGAF about Trump.
Excellent. Hillary and Trump can both be served up. I agree.
CBOEtrader says
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
"Corruption" as in chargeable by criminal wrongdoing? I don't think so. To date she has weathered everything. She is either bulletproof, or the accusations were garbage. Take your pick.
curious2 says
Due almost entirely to episodes of poor seamanship ...
Hehehe. "poor seamanship". You think suddenly the Navy forgot how to steer the boats? A series of collisions isn't sign of something else? There is a reason they require pilots to have roughly 8 hours of sleep, and not exceed a flight time of 12 hours. Got anything like that for helmsmen? Also check out combat deaths versus accidental deaths for the US military. Being deployed is typically the most dangerous thing itself. (well except when being back at home, being a jackass drinking and driving is.)
GOSH DANG IT! Regulations ruining everything again ...
https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/20/navy-issues-new-sleep-and-watch-schedule-rules-for-the-surface-fleet/
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anonymous
2017 Nov 1, 12:14pm
Sniper says
He's not talking about the special prosecutor piggy, he's talking about the entire justice department that is under his total control. You don't understand this?
They've all been too consumed looking for FAKE Russian collusion.
He's not talking about the special prosecutor piggy, he's talking about the entire justice department that is under his total control. You don't understand this?
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anonymous
2017 Nov 1, 1:08pm
Sniper says
You do know the president is in charge of the justice department don't you? Sessions works for trump. Actually I believe they teach that in 7th grade so you would have missed it since you didn't get that far. Trump can order Sessions to investigate Hillary any time. How come donald lock her up trump and jeff lock everyone up sessions haven't done anything? I mean CBO assures us there is are mountains of hard evidence.
Want to try again to answer the question? Or run and hide which is what I expect.
bob2356 saysTrump has been president 10 months now with the investigative resources of the entire federal government at his disposal along with your claim of a mountain of hard evidence and hillary hasn't even been looked into at all.
They've all been too consumed looking for FAKE Russian collusion.
Please keep up.
You do know the president is in charge of the justice department don't you? Sessions works for trump. Actually I believe they teach that in 7th grade so you would have missed it since you didn't get that far. Trump can order Sessions to investigate Hillary any time. How come donald lock her up trump and jeff lock everyone up sessions haven't done anything? I mean CBO assures us there is are mountains of hard evidence.
Want to try again to answer the question? Or run and hide which is what I expect.
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Rew
2017 Nov 1, 2:09pm
Rew
2017 Nov 1, 2:09pm
anon_d0319 says
Benefit of the doubt they have half a brain cell:
They don't have a means to slay that dragon and the dragon is more useful as foe that they can defend the people from. "rabble rabble rabble"
More likely:
They are too incompetent and dirty themselves to do anything themselves.
How come donald lock her up trump and jeff lock everyone up sessions haven't done anything?
Benefit of the doubt they have half a brain cell:
They don't have a means to slay that dragon and the dragon is more useful as foe that they can defend the people from. "rabble rabble rabble"
More likely:
They are too incompetent and dirty themselves to do anything themselves.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Nov 1, 2:25pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2017 Nov 1, 2:25pm
Rew says
Kinda like Russia. Even though from a mix of Population, Industrial Might, etc. China is a far bigger threat.
They don't have a means to slay that dragon and the dragon is more useful as foe that they can defend the people from. "rabble rabble rabble"
Kinda like Russia. Even though from a mix of Population, Industrial Might, etc. China is a far bigger threat.
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Rew
2017 Nov 1, 2:43pm
Rew
2017 Nov 1, 2:43pm
TwoScoopsMcGee says
While an adversary in the Pacific, China is relatively tethered to the US success as being part of its own ... and vice a versa. Economies are locked in a M.A.D. paradigm of their own.
Russia has no such general constraint, and is far more active in its testing, provocations, and attacking US interest.
One dog is bigger, but well fed, and laying down. The other dog we have repeatedly kicked and starved, and it has recently stood back up ... if it ever really did lay down/shrink from us in the first place.
Kinda like Russia. Even though from a mix of Population, Industrial Might, etc. China is a far bigger threat.
While an adversary in the Pacific, China is relatively tethered to the US success as being part of its own ... and vice a versa. Economies are locked in a M.A.D. paradigm of their own.
Russia has no such general constraint, and is far more active in its testing, provocations, and attacking US interest.
One dog is bigger, but well fed, and laying down. The other dog we have repeatedly kicked and starved, and it has recently stood back up ... if it ever really did lay down/shrink from us in the first place.
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The 4:37am tweet, before the charges were leveled, and all was made known, was very presidential. Classic. :)
In light of the indictment, and especially the plea, here is what I think some of the sharpest analysis has been so far, and what we can expect to watch in messaging.
Mueller & Team:
They sent a clear message today that there are two roads. The road of non-compliance is a path to indictment and every charge they can find (Manafort). This is the path of pain. The road Papadopoulos chose, via plea deals, leads to light sentencing and much more favorable personal outcomes. The plea deal is by far more significant in many ways as well. It's also interesting that Manafort is a much larger fish than many predicted be an initial charge in something like this. He is very well known. The charges are not collusion, but corruption. Contrast that with Papadopoulos, a low ranking nobody, errand boy, who sang like a canary and is on the Russian collusion track. Mueller is signaling "I think these are connected, and given time, I will connect the dots." Also, if someone like Papadopoulos is dirty, there must be a lot to find in camp Trump. High, low, and everywhere in between it seems like corruption oozes forth from that administration.
Then there are things like this ...
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/george-papadopoulos-lied-to-fbi-agents-the-same-day-trump-asked-comey-for-loyalty-pledge/ ... which you just have to chalk up to coincidence, or realize, "Oh, Trump wasn't asking Comey for the pledge of loyalty. It was Pap' all along."
We have a President who fired Comey, is Pro-Russia without a pro-stance on virtually any other country, begrudgingly enforced Russian sanctions because he was forced to, walked away from the Ukraine day 1, his son Jr.'s meeting ... I mean, look ... we don't even NEED hard evidence of collusion. The politics just have to line up enough and Trump is gone. The GOP is counting the favorability ratings, watching the dumpster fire, and waiting for their chance ... and you can see it ...
Watch the messaging close this week:
GOP: The majority will be silent on the indictment and plea. That's significant as that means they are not supporting Trump. Again, they are waiting to see if they can bury him.
"The Base" & Right Wing Media: pretty quiet today as they circled the wagons. I expect a lot more crazy like the "Mueller will charge Hillary" stuff. It is getting beyond tin-foil hat now. Mueller might get a few more smear campaigns against him from this arm as well.
Edit: Nice one from today ...
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/10/31/alex-jones-there-plot-install-robert-mueller-first-king-america/218401
Trump Administration: spin spin spin. It's going to be about getting distance, "Mana-who?". Above all, you will see, "But that isn't about the President. The President isn't charged. That's not collusion."
Dems/Libs/Resistance: smiles, laughing, and looking to stick the dagger in where they can. No real movement on the political scale or investigative track will be had here. This will be inconsequential, like the Trump administration's reaction and actions.
Longer Term:
Trump's multi-dimensional always one step ahead chess (snicker) is getting very simplistic now: is there more embarrassment and pain if I stay or if I go? Can I fire Mueller, as the ultimate gambit? Will the GOP and public call me on it? Can I protect my family more?
I expect more fun in 3-6 months here from Mueller and crew. I also think if Jr. gets near the sights it is game over for Trump. He will quit.