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bob2356 saysWhich podesta was it that was indicted? I missed that one on the news.
You miss them all.
Want to tell us who Company A and Company B are in the indictment?
The page of the NYT is funny. The titles:
- "Mueller’s First Indictments Send a Message to the President"
As in "I have nothing".
- "Editorial: Is the White House Scared Yet?"
Is Trump supposed to be scared? What is it? A Halloween special?
- "The Plot Against America: Robert Mueller hands a gangster administration its first indictments."
Hummm... no these guys indicted are not part of the administration.
- "Why George Papadopoulos Is More Dangerous Than Paul Manafort: The adviser’s guilty plea is evidence of collusion with Russia."
... Yeah he tried to get dirt, the way we know the DNC paid to get dirt.
These people are working themselves up to orgasm level before being within a mile of their target.
Shuck and Jive , Bullshit Bobby.
Shuck and Jive, you do it so well!
That comment doesn't make sense. If your family were threatened, would you quit and run away? The compassionate thing would be to pardon them, and face the MSM handwringing that the President is already facing anyway.
Almost any pardon would necessarily block the whole DoJ process, and could thus be called "obstruction of justice," but you can't erase an expressly authorized Constitutional power by citing a mere statute. Again, read your Constitution, it's free online.
Also, in a federal case, the President could pardon them for that, too.
I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I marvel at the TDS and I feel dismayed that certain Navy guys can't figure out the President's strategy.
Only 30% of officers approve of Trump.
I saw that too, but I would have liked to see the percentages by deployment or station. Most Navy officers have no contact with hostile Muslims; many are literally at sea, and others are sailing a desk or, at best, favored customers in a Gulf regime port. In contrast, many enlisted Marines ...
He was offering to update his Russian colleagues during the campaign
and trying to figure out how best to monetize his position.
if/when hard evidence
The most Pro-Russian president of my lifetime? One bending over in Ukraine? One loathe to level sanctions unanimously passed by Congress against Russia? An America retrenching to isolationism, alienating allies, and running from its spot of "leader of the free world"? Civil unrest and divisiveness in the US itself? The gift of an ineffectual government in your largest adversary?
In the meantime, we DO have hard evidence of DNC crimes regarding HRC's campaign. We also have plenty of hard evidence of HRC's past crimes.
Rew says
Oh, I think Dems are seeking to protect and ensure all leads are chased:
Great. Then you agree w Trey Gowdy that we should investigate Hillary and the DNC for money laundering and campaign finance violations. Ya know because $12 million invested secretly via a law firm violates the spirit of campaign finance law and is a major red flag for money laundering amongst a myriad of other crimes. Trey Gowdy described both the scale and method as "unheard of" .
Then you agree w Trey Gowdy that we should investigate Hillary and the DNC for money laundering and campaign finance violations.
Lets say all of this is true and not just your fever dream... How does any of this help Russia?
Follow the money and influence. Putin and the Russians are nowhere near the most direct beneficiaries of civil unrest as blamed on trump by the left .
Trump is simply a showman interested in being on TV and liked.
Or do you really believe he is trying to save the American middle class?
The rest is a typical attitude of those who don't know, or would like to believe Naval service isn't forward deployed, engaged with the enemy, and somehow "less risky" than boots on the ground. To date for 2017, we have lost more on ships than in Afghanistan.
Can you say the same of Trump? ;)
I don't mean to be insulting, but do you really not understand how nation states compete with one another?
Pure. Hard. Evidence.
?? What was he doing during the campaign??
By your logic, if the USA is simply in competition with other nation states AND the USA having problems equates to a benefit for other nation states, then again why is Russia singled out?
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
Um... please explain how Antifa attacking any wrong thinker creates a motive for Russia.
Throw anyone in prison who is guilty. IDGAF about Trump.
There is a mountain of hard evidence for HRC corruption.
Due almost entirely to episodes of poor seamanship ...
They've all been too consumed looking for FAKE Russian collusion.
bob2356 saysTrump has been president 10 months now with the investigative resources of the entire federal government at his disposal along with your claim of a mountain of hard evidence and hillary hasn't even been looked into at all.
They've all been too consumed looking for FAKE Russian collusion.
Please keep up.
How come donald lock her up trump and jeff lock everyone up sessions haven't done anything?
They don't have a means to slay that dragon and the dragon is more useful as foe that they can defend the people from. "rabble rabble rabble"
Kinda like Russia. Even though from a mix of Population, Industrial Might, etc. China is a far bigger threat.
While an adversary in the Pacific, China is relatively tethered to the US success as being part of its own ... and vice a versa. Economies are locked in a M.A.D. paradigm of their own.
Russia has no such general constraint, and is far more active in its testing, provocations, and attacking US interest.
Big Myth: Wars between big trading partners make up a large number of Wars. UK, France and Germany were huge trading partners, as was US and Japan and UK and China.
Helping an ally of 40-50 years ...
unless you want the Jihadis to win like Obama did.
curious2 saysthe Russian government isn't looking to form.... Putin seeks....
@Rew, you might really like PBS Frontline's latest report on that topic, but contrast it with Oliver Stone's interviews if you have time.
Rew saysYou think suddenly the Navy forgot how to steer the boats?
Since you have asked me a direct question, here is what I think:
"USS FITZGERALD
The collision between Fitzgerald and Crystal was avoidable and resulted from an accumulation of smaller errors over time, ultimately resulting in a lack of adherence...
I think you mean to say the myth is that trading partners do not go to war. Yes. That it is a myth. What is not true is that economic relations play no effect what so ever. The closer ties and relationships countries have, generally, the more peaceful they are toward one another.
Slow the time car down TwoScoops. You cannot scrub past recent history so fast. That ally has been our chief rival since the late 40s, and that, not our previous "enemy of my enemy alliance" is what is pertinent and dictating now to our current foreign relations with Russia. The sides drawn up post WWII, with whomever was with the USSR or USA, defined the past 50 years and was the balance of world powers.
You don't find being more like Russia domestically a very anti-American stance? I'm not sure what else to call it.
What we should be doing in weakening Germany, that we fought two world wars with, that is slowly dominating Europe economically and thus politically
A US-Russian Alliance would almost monopolize nuclear weapons
A stronger China puts the Pacific in jeopardy, we must stop transferring technology and outsourcing manufacturing there.
Tell me about democracy in Qatar, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan, etc. etc. Indonesia and Malaysia aren't that great either. Singapore is a one-party state literally run by a single extended family. Yet all have (More or Less) cooperative relationships with the USA.
unless you want the Jihadis to win like Obama did.I infer this to mean being staunchly anti-muslim and anti-immigrant, of which Russia predominantly is. No one seems to be advocating for domestic policies like the other states you mentioned. The human rights of your average Russian is abysmally low. You really don't see Russia/Putin as a model for the US to follow, correct?
The McCarthyism, not even based in ideology, is getting both dull and shrill.
We have a President who fired Comey, is Pro-Russia without a pro-stance on virtually any other country, begrudgingly enforced Russian sanctions because he was forced to, walked away from the Ukraine day 1, his son Jr.'s meeting ... I mean, look ... we don't even NEED hard evidence of collusion. The politics just have to line up enough and Trump is gone.
I expect more fun in 3-6 months here from Mueller and crew. I also think if Jr. gets near the sights it is game over for Trump. He will quit.
I expect more fun in 3-6 months here from Mueller and crew. I also think if Jr. gets near the sights it is game over for Trump. He will quit.
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The 4:37am tweet, before the charges were leveled, and all was made known, was very presidential. Classic. :)
In light of the indictment, and especially the plea, here is what I think some of the sharpest analysis has been so far, and what we can expect to watch in messaging.
Mueller & Team:
They sent a clear message today that there are two roads. The road of non-compliance is a path to indictment and every charge they can find (Manafort). This is the path of pain. The road Papadopoulos chose, via plea deals, leads to light sentencing and much more favorable personal outcomes. The plea deal is by far more significant in many ways as well. It's also interesting that Manafort is a much larger fish than many predicted be an initial charge in something like this. He is very well known. The charges are not collusion, but corruption. Contrast that with Papadopoulos, a low ranking nobody, errand boy, who sang like a canary and is on the Russian collusion track. Mueller is signaling "I think these are connected, and given time, I will connect the dots." Also, if someone like Papadopoulos is dirty, there must be a lot to find in camp Trump. High, low, and everywhere in between it seems like corruption oozes forth from that administration.
Then there are things like this ...
https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/george-papadopoulos-lied-to-fbi-agents-the-same-day-trump-asked-comey-for-loyalty-pledge/ ... which you just have to chalk up to coincidence, or realize, "Oh, Trump wasn't asking Comey for the pledge of loyalty. It was Pap' all along."
We have a President who fired Comey, is Pro-Russia without a pro-stance on virtually any other country, begrudgingly enforced Russian sanctions because he was forced to, walked away from the Ukraine day 1, his son Jr.'s meeting ... I mean, look ... we don't even NEED hard evidence of collusion. The politics just have to line up enough and Trump is gone. The GOP is counting the favorability ratings, watching the dumpster fire, and waiting for their chance ... and you can see it ...
Watch the messaging close this week:
GOP: The majority will be silent on the indictment and plea. That's significant as that means they are not supporting Trump. Again, they are waiting to see if they can bury him.
"The Base" & Right Wing Media: pretty quiet today as they circled the wagons. I expect a lot more crazy like the "Mueller will charge Hillary" stuff. It is getting beyond tin-foil hat now. Mueller might get a few more smear campaigns against him from this arm as well.
Edit: Nice one from today ...
https://www.mediamatters.org/video/2017/10/31/alex-jones-there-plot-install-robert-mueller-first-king-america/218401
Trump Administration: spin spin spin. It's going to be about getting distance, "Mana-who?". Above all, you will see, "But that isn't about the President. The President isn't charged. That's not collusion."
Dems/Libs/Resistance: smiles, laughing, and looking to stick the dagger in where they can. No real movement on the political scale or investigative track will be had here. This will be inconsequential, like the Trump administration's reaction and actions.
Longer Term:
Trump's multi-dimensional always one step ahead chess (snicker) is getting very simplistic now: is there more embarrassment and pain if I stay or if I go? Can I fire Mueller, as the ultimate gambit? Will the GOP and public call me on it? Can I protect my family more?
I expect more fun in 3-6 months here from Mueller and crew. I also think if Jr. gets near the sights it is game over for Trump. He will quit.