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What is the root cause of Christian bomberism, invaderism and regime-change-ism?
Why do you assume the bombings have anything to do with Christianity?
Lots of those neo-Cons were Jewish.
It was about oil and preventing oil from being priced in Euros.
In which case, should we be the least bit surprised that (some, not all) inhabitants of the countries we bomb and invade hate us, Christian or not, and then proceed to go to western countries and bomb us? Both sides are doing terrible things. Adults and children are being killed and maimed everywhere. This has got to stop.
Bombing and invasion was bad, agreed. I protested, absolutely did not want the attack on Iraq after those Saudis attacked the US on 9/11. Looked into Canadian citizenship.
But how do you explain Boko Haram? Or Islamic murders in the Phillipines? Or Sweden? Or Germany? Or Thailand? Or murders of tourists in Tunisia? Or the massive attack in Bombay? Or China?
Those other countries had nothing to do with the war. How do you explain them?
Could it just possibly be that Islam itself incites murder in its core teachings, and that ignoring the role of Islam gives tacit approval to yet more Islamic murders?
The first step to solving a problem is to speak honestly about it.
Could it just possibly be that Islam itself incites murder in its core teachings
In the Ottoman empire, Christians and Jews were treated better than other religious groups in the western empires at that time (until the Armenian genocide, but it was not motivated by religion).
The first step to solving a problem is to speak honestly about it.
The first step is to recognize what the problem is.
In the Ottoman empire, Christians and Jews were treated better than other religious groups in the western empires at that time (until the Armenian genocide, but it was not motivated by religion).
Christians and Jews were moneymakers for their Islamic rulers via the jizya tax. The Armenians in particular had good trade going with the Venetians and could freely travel back and forth.
And the Armenians were indeed killed largely because of religion, because it was feared that as Orthodox Christians, they would side with Russia and help break up the Ottoman empire even further.
My MIL is Armenian and I've read a bit about the genocide.
Christians and Jews were moneymakers for their Islamic rulers via the jizya tax.
Even if this is the only reason (proof??), they were still more tolerant than their western counterparts.
And the Armenians were indeed killed largely because of religion, because it was feared that as Orthodox Christians, they would side with Russia and help break up the Ottoman empire even further.
You know very well that this is different than religion intolerance.
You can say it was political, but :
1. nonetheless they were killed for being Christian
2. most of the murdering was done by ordinary Muslims who were very willing to go along with the murders because Islam told them it was good to kill non-Muslims
In which case, should we be the least bit surprised that inhabitants of the countries we bomb and invade hate us, Christian or not, and then proceed to go to western countries and bomb us? Both sides are doing terrible things. Adults and children are being killed and maimed everywhere. This has got to stop.
It should be a no-brainer then NOT to let them in. At the very least, not single males.
nonetheless they were killed for being Christian
for being perceived as allies of a foreign power, among other non-religious reasons
most of the murdering was done by ordinary Muslims who were very willing to go along with the murders because Islam told them it was good to kill non-Muslims
ordinary christians in India did a lot of killings of muslims during the Indian/Pakistan genocides
ordinary christians in India did a lot of killings of muslims during the Indian/Pakistan genocides
People don't forget the hundreds of years of Jihad and Oppression. The Balkans, Hungary, and Poland don't either. Germany, unlike Bulgaria, was never an Exploited Colony of an Imperialist Muslim Ottoman Empire that enslaved millions. Not because of arms, but because Magyars and Poles defeated the Turks at Vienna, while Germans were fighting amongst themselves.
In fact, parts of Europe are still under Turkish Imperialist Domination, like Thrace. It should be liberated.
People don't forget the hundreds of years of Jihad and Oppression.
Oh, I agree with this. I don't advocate for welcoming muslims into Europe. On the contrary, I am against it.
Maybe it is good to step back and see where exactly Patrick and I disagree. I'll do it later today when I have time.
Or anyone wearing a beekeeper outfit
In which case, should we be the least bit surprised that inhabitants of the countries we bomb and invade hate us, Christian or not, and then proceed to go to western countries and bomb us? Both sides are doing terrible things. Adults and children are being killed and maimed everywhere. This has got to stop.
It should be a no-brainer then NOT to let them in. At the very least, not single males.
"ordinary christians in India did a lot of killings of muslims during the Indian/Pakistan genocides".
Proof?
What is the root cause of Christian bomberism, invaderism and regime-change-ism?
When Jesus tells someone to intiate a bombing you will have a case. Until then you might as well understand that this is what Christ said about the enemies:
Matthew 5:44King James Version (KJV)
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
The first step to solving a problem is to speak honestly about it.
The first step is to recognize what the problem is.
That is what this thread is about.
Now that the real trolls are gone, any discussion on the association between Islam and violence?
PeopleUnited saysNow that the real trolls are gone, any discussion on the association between Islam and violence?
The Quran. The Quran is the most misogynist, racist, and brutal text ever produced as a rule set for a religion. It allows for the killing of infidels, the stoning of women, and the enslavement of conquered people and unlike Christianity it never had its 2.0 version, just the original and brutal 1.0 version that is the origin of all Violent Islamic ideology. The Western world and Islam are incompatible.
PeopleUnited saysNow that the real trolls are gone, any discussion on the association between Islam and violence?
The Quran. The Quran is the most misogynist, racist, and brutal text ever produced as a rule set for a religion. It allows for the killing of infidels, the stoning of women, and the enslavement of conquered people and unlike Christianity it never had its 2.0 version, just the original and brutal 1.0 version that is the origin of all Violent Islamic ideology. The Western world and Islam are incompatible.
What can we say about what it means to follow the example of Mohammed?
anon_6bbed saysIndeed. Islam IS terrorism.That is what Mohammed intended.
The Quran. The Quran is the most misogynist, racist, and brutal text ever produced as a rule set for a religion. It allows for the killing of infidels, the stoning of women, and the enslavement of conquered people and unlike Christianity it never had its 2.0 version, just the original and brutal 1.0 version that is the origin of all Violent Islamic ideology. The Western world and Islam are incompatible
This attitude would largely fade away wo the constant inflow of CIA money into the hands of "allied" warlords and "friendly" combatants.
Not every Muslim is an extremist. If we want to keep radical Islamists bottled up and not raping their way across the whole Middle East, taking major cities, oil fields and attacking Western Cities, we are going to have to ally with some moderate Muslims to keep a lid on things.
socal2 saysNot every Muslim is an extremist. If we want to keep radical Islamists bottled up and not raping their way across the whole Middle East, taking major cities, oil fields and attacking Western Cities, we are going to have to ally with some moderate Muslims to keep a lid on things.
That's fine, lets just keep these allies in the Middle East. It is not safe to assume that "moderates" will remain so.
Nice bit of Russian propaganda to claim the CIA was funding ISIS and Al Qaeda while the CIA and our military were simultaneously risking their lives trying to destroy them.
Christian refugees described to VOA the execution of a half dozen of their co-religionists in the northwestern village of al-Yakubiye, in Idlib province, by Sunni Muslims aligned with the Western-backed Free Syrian Army. Rahel, a 45-year-old former teacher, said, “Al Nusra didn’t come to our village; the people who came were from villages close by, and they were Free Syrian Army.”
...Nearly a third of Syria’s Christians, an estimated 600,000, have fled the country. Before the war, Christians accounted for about 10 percent of Syria’s population of 22 million.
Most of the targeting of Syrian Christians has been blamed on al Qaeda affiliates Jabhat al-Nusra and the Islamic State of Syria and Sham (ISIS), but refugees like 45-year-old school director Rahel say the picture inside is more confused.
She says jihadists weren’t in her predominantly Christian hamlet of al-Yakubiye in Syria’s northwest province of Idlib. FSA fighters from neighboring Sunni Muslim villages were the problem.
Back in February, the news agency AFP wrote about al-Yakubiye, noting that although one of the three churches had been looted, relations between Syrian Sunni Muslims and local Christians were cordial. But in the intervening months, nearly all Christians have fled after half a dozen were executed with their heads chopped off and about 20 more were kidnapped. The evacuation of al-Yakubiye has added to a Christian exodus which is prompting fears that the civil war could spell the doom of Syrian Christianity.
“Al Nusra didn’t come to our village; the people who came were from villages close by, and they were Free Syrian Army,” Rahel says. Christians were targeted because they were seen as being pro-Assad, although she added some of the persecution was motivated also by greed, with the better-off being picked off first and their property divided by powerful local Sunni Muslim families.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/syrias-christians-flee-kidnappings-rape-executions
We just saw today the videos where Trump retweeted Jayda Fransen's video of FSA Commander Omar Gharba al-Khojji destroying a statue of the Virgin Mary. At the time, he was part of the Obama-backed FSA (he later joined ISIS).
My point is to dispute the retarded claim that the CIA money is the "root cause" of Islamic terrorism as Anon claimed.
...Nearly a third of Syria’s Christians, an estimated 600,000, have fled the country. Before the war, Christians accounted for about 10 percent of Syria’s population of 22 million.
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Sensible people are discouraged from thinking about the root causes of Islamic terrorism by mainstream media and academia. (AKA SJW's)
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/414113/actual-root-causes-islamic-terrorism-ira-straus
Osama Bin Laden was a well to do man from a well to do family who was radicalized.
http://markhumphrys.com/root.cause.html
Former Islamic Radical shares his solutions.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/261829/former-islamic-radical-unveils-root-causes-islamic-joseph-puder