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"Explosive", "Shocking" And "Alarming" FISA Memo Set To Rock DC, "End Mueller Investigation"


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2018 Jan 19, 8:50am   64,749 views  307 comments

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UPDATE, RELEASED! All hell is breaking loose in Washington D.C. after a four-page memo detailing extensive FISA court abuse was made available to the entire House of Representatives Thursday. The contents of the memo are so explosive, says Journalist Sara Carter, that it could lead to the removal of senior officials in the FBI and the Department of Justice and the end of Robert Mueller's special counsel investigation.

Lawmakers who have seen the memo are calling for its immediate release, while the phrases "explosive," "shocking," "troubling," and "alarming" have all been used in all sincerity. One congressman even likened the report's details to KGB activity in Russia. “It is so alarming the American people have to see this,” Ohio Rep. Jim Jordan told Fox News.

“It's troubling. It is shocking,” North Carolina Rep. Mark Meadows said. “Part of me wishes that I didn't read it because I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things could be happening in this country that I call home and love so much.”

“I believe the consequence of its release will be major changes in people currently working at the FBI and the Department of Justice,” he said, referencing DOJ officials Rod Rosenstein and Bruce Ohr.

Meanwhile, Rep. Matt Gatetz (R-FL) said not only will the release of this memo result in DOJ firing, but "people will go to jail."

Of all the recent developments in the ongoing investigation(s), this one is on the cusp of turning into a genuine happening.



Who's going to be in the cross hairs?

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-18/explosive-shocking-and-alarming-fisa-memo-set-rock-dc-end-mueller-investigation

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133   bob2356   2018 Jan 28, 5:55pm  

Let's see how this works. There is an explosive memo that will put most of the top people in the democratic party in jail. But the republican controlled congress, which can release the memo at any time, has not released the memo but is screaming the memo needs to be released. Donald "put hillary in jail" trump, who can release the memo at any time, has zero filter between his brain and the outside world has not released the memo but is screaming the memo needs to be released. Yet after almost 2 weeks nothing has happened and the only place you can read about it is still right wing echo chambers conspiracy sites like ZH.

I know the average trumptard (luckily there are no trumptards on patnet) isn't a deep thinker, but a normal person would have to believe that something was just a little bit askew with the picture when everyone that can release the memo is screaming the memo needs to be released but doesn't release it. Even more amazing is some staffer hasn't leaked it. How is that even possible? It's not.
134   anonymous   2018 Jan 28, 7:30pm  

anon_3b28c says
anon_743c2 says
What does the number of days it hasn't been released have ANYTHING to do with the content of the memo?


Because it shows that the memo isn't really that "explosive or else it would have been released already.


Wait, wasn't it the Blue team that recently said it takes YEARS for a investigation to run it's course. Now you guys are all upset because a secret memo hasn't been released in 9 days?

anon_3b28c says
Trump has to power to release it--why hasn't he done it?


Come on Joey, is this the best argument that you can think of?

anon_370a8 says
President Trump broke with the Department of Justice last week by calling for the release of a four-page "FISA memo" purportedly summarizing widespread surveillance abuses by the FBI, DOJ and Obama Administration,


Congress and the DOJ have to clear it first and make sure any classified info doesn't compromise the investigation.
135   anonymous   2018 Jan 28, 7:47pm  

anon_b6d0d says
Wait, wasn't it the Blue team that recently said it takes YEARS for a investigation to run it's course. Now you guys are all upset because a secret memo hasn't been released in 9 days?


If it was an investigation, you'd have a point. It's just a memo.


anon_b6d0d says
anon_3b28c says
Trump has to power to release it--why hasn't he done it?


Come on Joey, is this the best argument that you can think of?


Come on now, don't forget the rules...

anon_b6d0d says
Congress and the DOJ have to clear it first and make sure any classified info doesn't compromise the investigation.


No, they don't. The President can declassify anything he wants and release it immediately. The fact that he says he wants it released but doesn't do it is actually quite funny.
136   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 8:29am  

anon_3b28c says
The President can declassify anything he wants and release it immediately.

Especially on a golf course shit talking with a foreign emissary.
137   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 10:00am  

FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, frequent target of Trump's ire, steps down: NBC News

FBI deputy director Andrew McCabe, a frequent target of public attacks from President Donald Trump, is stepping down effective Monday, NBC News reported.

Trump and some Republicans in Congress have accused McCabe of political bias, citing his role at the FBI during investigations related to both Hillary Clinton and President Donald Trump. They question his role in the Clinton email probe and the investigation into Russian efforts to influence the 2016 election and whether the Trump campaign coordinated with the Kremlin.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/29/fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-frequent-target-of-trumps-ire-steps-down-nbc-news.html
Why would he be stepping down, could there be something in that memo that just might.... oh, nevermind, it's "just" a memo.
138   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 12:24pm  

So many people in jobs surrounding Trump in the last year so have decided to throw in the towel, it looks like they’re saying “fuck this shit”
141   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 1:31pm  

Maybe one of the Trump supporters can answer this:

If Trump wants the memo released, why doesn't he do so?
142   WookieMan   2018 Jan 29, 3:06pm  

anon_8f378 says
If Trump wants the memo released, why doesn't he do so?

Honest question, is he allowed to? Thought I heard some committee has to approve its release before he even has a say in it.
143   Y   2018 Jan 29, 3:09pm  

A response that should be expected from the embedded DC Elite.
The swamp is draining faster than expected.

anon_7905a says
So many people in jobs surrounding Trump in the last year so have decided to throw in the towel, it looks like they’re saying “fuck this shit”
144   Y   2018 Jan 29, 3:11pm  

Thats because the "blue team" is not a team anymore.
There's rats running every which way.....see 164 above

anon_3b28c says
anon_b6d0d says
Wait, wasn't it the Blue team that recently said it takes YEARS for a investigation to run it's course. Now you guys are all upset because a secret memo hasn't been released in 9 days?
145   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 3:46pm  

WookieMan says
Honest question, is he allowed to? Thought I heard some committee has to approve its release before he even has a say in it.


The President can declassify it.
146   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 3:46pm  

anon_3b28c says
The President can declassify anything he wants and release it immediately. The fact that he says he wants it released but doesn't do it is actually quite funny.


Wrong again.

anon_8f378 says
If Trump wants the memo released, why doesn't he do so?


Because it's NOT an Executive branch memo, so he can't release it. Here's some education for a few of you:

trump can't actually force the release.

Not his report TO release/declassify.

We have discussed the process numerous times. The Committee has the authority to release it PENDING POTU and Nat Security Council and other agencies approval (Protecting personnel undercover and operations ongoing as well).
Exec Branch has 5 days to approve or reject release (or indicate portions which might be dangerous to personnel if released).
After 5 days, the whole House can vote to force release.
Should the Committee vote to NOT release it gets complicated, but POTUS simply CAN NOT just declassify and release it because he has NO AUTHORITY to do so since it isn't an EXEC Branch document.


Is that clear enough?
147   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 3:46pm  

anon_7905a says
So many people in jobs surrounding Trump in the last year so have decided to throw in the towel, it looks like they’re saying “fuck this shit”


More like the rats are jumping ship:

148   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 3:46pm  

anon_b5a29 says
FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, frequent target of Trump's ire, steps down:


Doesn't sound like a voluntary "step down".

Update: According to Fox News and CBS News's Pat Milton just answered the question of why McCabe stepped down Monday when he would become eligible for his full pension benefits n March: McCabe was reportedly forced to step down. According to Fox News, McCabe was "removed" from his post as deputy director, "leaving the bureau after months of conflict-of-interest complaints from Republicans including President Trump."

In both cases, his early departure suggests that he was forced out.



https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-29/fbi-deputy-director-mccabe-has-stepped-down-effective-today
149   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 5:06pm  

House Intel votes to release controversial surveillance memo to the public.

The House Intelligence Committee on Monday evening voted to release a classified memo circulating in Congress that purportedly reveals government surveillance abuses.

The vote was announced to reporters by California Rep. Adam Schiff, the top Democrat on the committee, who called it a “very sad day, I think, in the history of this committee.”


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President Trump now has five days to decide whether he has any objections before the memo can be publicly released.

Last week, a top Justice Department official urged House Intelligence Chairman Devin Nunes not to release the memo, saying it would be “extraordinarily reckless” and could harm national security and ongoing investigations.

The four-page memo is being described by GOP lawmakers as “shocking,” “troubling” and “alarming,” with one congressman likening the details to KGB activity in Russia.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/29/house-intel-votes-to-release-controversial-surveillance-memo-to-public.html
150   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 5:07pm  

anon_034aa says
Is that clear enough?


Except he can simply declassify it and make the rest of that moot.
151   WookieMan   2018 Jan 29, 5:08pm  

anon_8f378 says
WookieMan says
Honest question, is he allowed to? Thought I heard some committee has to approve its release before he even has a say in it.


The President can declassify it.

I see another anon responded along with your response. No one linked any info at all. I'm too lazy to look it up. Can Trump declassify this or not? Link from a .gov site or something close to resembling credible would be appreciated.

Until I see something credible, I'm under the impression you guys are bots and just doing the good will of your respective parties. We'll see which one of you earns your keep with the response to this. I have those highly desirable "political bucks" that partisan bots desire and am willing to part ways with said "political bucks" if you convince me.
152   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 6:29pm  

anon_3b28c says
anon_034aa says
Is that clear enough?


Except he can simply declassify it and make the rest of that moot.


Which part of:

anon_034aa says
but POTUS simply CAN NOT just declassify and release it because he has NO AUTHORITY to do so since it isn't an EXEC Branch document.


is difficult to understand?

WookieMan says
Can Trump declassify this or not?


No, it belongs to congress, as mentioned above.
153   WookieMan   2018 Jan 29, 6:34pm  

anon_34fca says
WookieMan says
Can Trump declassify this or not?


No, it belongs to congress, as mentioned above.

I don't have a team I root for in this game. Mentioning a previous comment versus giving evidence via a link are two different things. If you don't want to link anything, that's fine. I didn't either as I mentioned I'm lazy, so not trying to be a hypocrite here.

I just heard it on the radio or something that the house intelligence committee or something along those lines has to approve its declassification. No one has confirmed this or refuted it with actual evidence. So I'm not sure what to believe at this point.
154   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 6:47pm  

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/
"One of the members of Congress who commented after the newspaper’s revelations was Sen. James Risch, R-Idaho. According to CNN, he told reporters, "The minute the president speaks about it to someone, he has the ability to declassify anything at any time without any process."
Is that accurate? Independent experts said Risch is on target concerning the legal powers of the president. Some experts added, however, that the senator’s formulation left out some context that is relevant for assessing Trump’s alleged actions."

"Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."
155   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 6:47pm  

anon_34fca says
anon_034aa says
but POTUS simply CAN NOT just declassify and release it because he has NO AUTHORITY to do so since it isn't an EXEC Branch document.


is difficult to understand?


It's not difficult to understand, it's simply incorrect.
156   WookieMan   2018 Jan 29, 6:59pm  

anon_3b28c says
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/

Cool, thanks for the link.

Sounds like if he has read the memo he can talk about it. Trump that is. Technically though, members of Congress that have read the memo still can't talk about it until it's officially declassified if I'm to take the words literally. I don't think Trump just talking about it or even reading the memo verbatim would technically declassify it. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.
157   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 8:03pm  

WookieMan says
Technically though, members of Congress that have read the memo still can't talk about it until it's officially declassified if I'm to take the words literally. I don't think Trump just talking about it or even reading the memo verbatim would technically declassify it. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.


That's probably true. What's funny is Trump saying he wants the memo released, but not doing it.
158   WookieMan   2018 Jan 29, 8:12pm  

anon_3b28c says
What's funny is Trump saying he wants the memo released, but not doing it.

We shall see. I hate them all. Trump was the non-politician. Guess what, he's now a politician. Again, I hate them all. The power corrupts.

If the economy does great under him, awesome. I'm not linking anything of significance to politicians on the national level for the most part. My local school board has more impact on my finances here in IL compared to any national politician. So I tend to put them under the microscope first. Or should I say magnifying glass on a nice sun soaked afternoon ;)
159   anonymous   2018 Jan 29, 8:34pm  

anon_3b28c says
WookieMan says
Technically though, members of Congress that have read the memo still can't talk about it until it's officially declassified if I'm to take the words literally. I don't think Trump just talking about it or even reading the memo verbatim would technically declassify it. I could be wrong, but that's my interpretation.


That's probably true. What's funny is Trump saying he wants the memo released, but not doing it.


He just received the memo tonight from congress, after they voted to have it released earlier.

Any chance he's "draining the swamp", and waiting to release it, while the plug is being pulled, like it was for McCabe today?

Who else is inline to be "drained" in that memo?
160   zzyzzx   2018 Jan 30, 8:01am  

Democrats when the memo is released:

www.youtube.com/embed/vP8rbYEZ1cE
161   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 8:39am  

anon_034aa says
Because it's NOT an Executive branch memo, so he can't release it. Here's some education for a few of you:

trump can't actually force the release.

Not his report TO release/declassify.

We have discussed the process numerous times. The Committee has the authority to release it PENDING POTU and Nat Security Council and other agencies approval (Protecting personnel undercover and operations ongoing as well).
Exec Branch has 5 days to approve or reject release (or indicate portions which might be dangerous to personnel if released).
After 5 days, the whole House can vote to force release.
Should the Committee vote to NOT release it gets complicated, but POTUS simply CAN NOT just declassify and release it because he has NO AUTHORITY to do so since it isn't an EXEC Branch document.


Is that clear enough?


Did you make this up or is there some type of source? Where in the federal register did it come from exactly?
162   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 8:39am  

163   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 8:39am  

Nunes fake memo can be released. Democratic response that highlights why memo is bullshit is not going to be released. Not even an attempt to be neutral. Republicans are making true reckless partisan idiots out of themselves.
164   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 8:40am  

FBI Director Wray "Shocked To His Core" By FISA Memo, McCabe 'Removed' Next Day, More Heads To Roll: Report.

FBI Director Christopher Wray was allegedly "shocked to his core" after viewing the four-page FISA memo Sunday night - hours before asking Deputy FBI Director Andrew McCabe to step down, according to journalist Sara Carter.

Carter: What we know tonight is that FBI Director Christopher Wray went Sunday and reviewed the four-page FISA memo. The very next day, Andrew McCabe was asked to resign. Remember Sean, he was planning on resigning in March - that already came out in December. This time they asked him to go right away. You're not coming into the office. I've heard reports he didn't even come in for the morning meeting - that he didn't show up.

Sara Carter: Shocked him to his core, and not only that, the Inspector General's report - I have been told tonight by a number of sources, there's indicators right now that McCabe may have asked FBI agents to actually change their 302's - those are their interviews with witnesses. So basically every time an FBI agent interviews a witness, they have to go back and file a report.

Hannity: Changes? So that would be obstruction of justice?

Carter: Exactly. This is something the Inspector General is investigating. If this is true and not alleged, McCabe will be fired. I heard they are considering firing him within the next few days if this turns out to be true.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01-30/fbi-director-wray-shocked-his-core-fisa-memo-mccabe-removed-next-day-more-heads
165   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 8:57am  

This better not be another case where some political cronie is allowed to resign in lieu of facing serious criminal charges. If there are crimes here, these crooks need to face the music. No more of these easy street nonsense.
167   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 10:11am  

DoofusRicky says
I ponder when does Donald Trump finally own this chaos in the eyes of his Ardent supporters?


Why is it Trump's fault?

Is he responsible for the fake claims of Russian collusion?

Is he responsible for the partisan leanings of FBI brass that wanted Hillary to win and wanted to keep Hillary out of prison?

Please explain your point.

It's the Dems and Liberal MSM causing all this fake chaos.
168   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 11:06am  

It's funny, now that the memo is apparently going to be released, you see Rep. Congressmen walking back their comments about how "shocking" and "explosive" it's going to be.
170   zzyzzx   2018 Jan 30, 11:58am  

My expected reaction from Democrats on the memo:
171   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 12:12pm  

anon_8f378 says
It's funny, now that the memo is apparently going to be released, you see Rep. Congressmen walking back their comments about how "shocking" and "explosive" it's going to be.


Really?

Where was that posted?
172   anonymous   2018 Jan 30, 12:20pm  

WookieMan says
Trump was the non-politician. Guess what, he's now a politician. Again, I hate them all. The power corrupts.


Agreed. 2 years ago I could unequivocally say Hillary was the absolute worst. I hated her so much I thought NO ONE could come close as far as how much I could despise them.

I was wrong. It's now Trump. I honestly would wipe away all the stock market gains I got if I never had to see his face again.

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