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Exactly--many, many turnstiles. I just want to make sure you understand what you are advocating. Even so, have you ever waited at the Wrigley Red Line stop right after a Cubs game ends? You're looking at 20-30 minutes easy before you get through the turnstiles.
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
Or, even more frequently, lethal DWIs
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
I actually don't give a shit if teachers are armed, I want huge schools to have a lousy gatehouse or entrance way where visitors have to show ID.
"We need 10000 more teachers in Whatever State @ $50k+/year each ! But we can't afford a $11/hr security guard or two per school."
The armed security guard at Stoneman got $75k a year that's $37.50 an hour not $11 and was totally ineffective.
What if that huge school is an open air school and circumventing any gatehouse would be elementary.
There already is border control so why would 1 argue for something that already exists?
Fencing is cheap and easy.
You're confusing a School Resource Officer, a uniformed LEO, with a mere Security Guard. The former has truants to chase, parents to speak to, fights to break up. His job is not to sit at a gatehouse. This one resigned and may not have even been on campus, legit or not legit, since an SRO's duties can take them to a courthouse, residence, or elsewhere off campus.
“What I saw was a deputy arrive … take up a position and he never went in,” the sheriff said at a news conference. “There are no words. I mean these families lost their children. We lost coaches,” Israel said.
Wrong again.
May not have been on campus?
if someone is determined to shoot up a school I don't think they are going to let a chain link fence stop them.
A limit on how much an anon can post, Really?
Remember the saying, “He went postal?.” It seems like decades since that happened. An interesting social question is why? Is life easier now as a postal employee? What social phenomenon has made post offices safer and schools more dangerous?
And thus, because there was no security controlling access to the campus or the buildings themselves, Cruz was able to enter and begin firing before encountering security. DING
Will an Uber Driver ram a chain link fence on behalf of a passenger?
Are there fences other than chain link?
Is it more or less likely someone will be spotted climbing a chain link fence?
If the Uber Driver simply drove onto Campus and disgorged a passenger without either him or his passenger being asked for ID, there was no security.
the cops knew about this kid and did nothing.
either lack of manpower, incompetence, or both
that's where the preventative focus should be...
anon_8f378 saysSo, how exactly is that going to work at 2:50 when 3000 kids are all exiting the school through those doors? Make every kid line up and exit though the same exit in single file through a turnstile?
What, people employed at Los Alamos or 1 Infinite Loop don't mostly leave around 5:00PM? Maybe the National Labs or Apple shouldn't bother having security at all, then.
I'm sure that won't result in any problems. Nevermind shooters, but crazy ranters ("iPhones zapped my brain!"), disgruntled employees, ex-lovers, thieves and spies...
You want to ban all guns, but are opposed to having a turnstile that's present in a good deal many everyday situations, such as a subway?
Hey, sometimes a bunch of flights land at the same time and 1000s of people exit the terminal. Let's let them walk the wrong way through the TSA Checkpoint, we can't possibly channel them through a...
anon_8f378 saysI'm not trying to be difficult--just trying to show you the real world reasons why your ideas haven't been and probably cannot feasibly be implemented.
How difficult would it be to implement retired LEO's or retired military to guard schools during the day?
I'd bet parents with concealed carry permits would do it for free
CBOEtrader saysI'd bet parents with concealed carry permits would do it for free
No thanks keep those nut jobs away from our kids and schools
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
errc saysOur high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Sounds like Stoneman did too. He just sat outside waiting for the shooting to end.
But, let's get more of these guys at every school! If we have enough of them sitting outside waiting, I'm sure the mass killings will stop.
Who in their right mind would want their kids around retired LEO a/o retired military, armed at school?
Our high school has an actual on duty police officer working the school every day, I assumed that was the norm everywhere now
Bad example being that TSA has never stopped anyone from doing anything other than bringing their own bottle of water to avoid paying 4$ for one
errc saysBad example being that TSA has never stopped anyone from doing anything other than bringing their own bottle of water to avoid paying 4$ for one
Errc, not the point I was going for. The point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
The effectiveness of the TSA as they conduct checks was, I assure you, not a point I was trying to make.
The point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
So the logical next question you should be asking yourself is, why would it be different this time?
I’ve asked this multiple times about The Wall as well, but nobody has the courage to attempt to answer
TwoScoopsPlissken saysThe point was you can control entrances into areas while huge numbers of people are attempting to exit that same area.
Have you been to an airport? There is a (sometimes multiple TSA agents) who only watch people exit through a well defined wide doorway. They are not watching people enter. They are not checking badges.
Are you now proposing multiple guards? Some to watch the exit areas in addition to those watching the entrances?
To me it's sounding like mini Auschwitz. Complete with tall fences and guard towers. It would have to be assumed every car entering campus is a potential threat and must go through x-ray machines, and every student strip searched upon entering campus
Have you been to an airport? There is a (sometimes multiple TSA agents) who only watch people exit through a well defined wide doorway. They are not watching people enter. They are not checking badges.
To me it's sounding like mini Auschwitz. Complete with tall fences and guard towers. It would have to be assumed every car entering campus is a potential threat and must go through x-ray machines, and every student strip searched upon entering campus'
Wait, people without badges or tickets can just waltz through into the terminal at US airports?
News to me.
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High school kids have ~50 years of unrealized labor potential, at a ballpark of 50k per year.
2,500,000 x 17 = $42,500,000 in lost potential wages
17 families will now have to bury a child. Average cost of funeral service 10k = $170,000
Let’s say on average 50 people attend each funeral, so they have to take a day or two of unpaid bereavement leave.
850 people x $500 in lost wages= $425,000 in lost wages
It’s not cheap to travel with no notice for planning, so we’ll use an average $1,000 per person = $850,000
100’s maybe 1,000s of survivors will now suffer from PTSD, which is hard to calculate costs but easily into the millions = $100,000,000- $1,000,000,000
So we’re already potentially north of 1 billion dollars in costs, without even beginning to consider all the ancillary costs to come, so we can pause and move over to the benefit side of the analysis.
Benefits
A gun manufacturer made a sale of ~1,000 which netted them a hundred or two in profits.
So who gets stuck with the tab for another gun nut taking his lame hobby of target practice to the local high school?
Oddly, not the gun maker. Because your halfwit Republican Government says that the gun worked as intended, to turn teenagers into bloody chunks.