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Goran_K says

In general

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

socal2 says

Yep. And don't forget the Democrat's vile history with Eugenics.

Exactly. Margaret Sanger is a well known DEMOCRAT heroine who is till this day revered by well known Democrat politicians, and Democrat voters despite her KKK membership, her history of planned extinction of black people or whom she called "unfit", "weeds", etc and her overall support for the Eugenics movement. I find no difference between Sanger and Hitler in their views of people they considered "unfit".

" I admire Margaret Sanger being a pioneer in trying to empower women to have some control over their bodies and I deplore statements that you have referenced. That is the way we often are when we look at flawed human beings. There are things that we admire and things we deplore." - Hillary Clinton

FP says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

FP, knock it off. Being purposefully trolly and insulting of a mod isn't going to work out for you. Trying to save you some heart ache.

@patrick,

Your moderator, Goran, is again:
1) attacking me personally for no reason
2) lying - claiming that I've insulted him, which is not true; I was actually quite polite.
3) deleted my comment, which contained no personal attacks or has in any other way violated the site's rules

Please moderate your moderator.

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

Maybe it's impossible, and people just lose track of everything except hating their rivals.

I suppose that's the basis for "divide and conquer". As soon as a group is divided, there is only infighting, and no attention to external threats.

Goran_K says

HEYYOU says

The Right to keep & bear,it's accoutrements & affects,trumps the lives of the right's loved ones & friends.

Fact: If you simply banned gun ownership to leftist/democrats, the U.S gun homicide rate would be comparable to the UK or Australia per capita.

and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.

bob2356 says

and how would that work since the highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states. Yet another inconvenient FACT.

Nice job cherry picking out a few selected cities though. Extrapolating that to the entire country and calling if fact doesn't work, but hey whatever.

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Patrick says

Please, let's all stick to discussing topics rather than discussing each other.

@patrick,
That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

CovfefeButDeadly says

A true liberal would engage the following policies:

-Insist on a vote of congress and a declaration of war before engaging in overseas military action.
-fight vehemently against bank/wall st/financial bailouts and favorable policies towards such
-fully support and embrace the 1st and 5th amendments. Take a less strident(but still supportive) view of other amendments including the 2nd. A true liberal is absolutely appalled at what is going on currently in the schools and colleges.
-support tariffs that protect american industry and jobs.
-support a limited social safety net.
-support an increased tax on capital gains.

This is a decent summary. I'd disagree w in theory w increased tax on capital gains, but this isnt a perfect world. In this imperfect work, a capital gains tax would be preferable to an income tax, so functionally we still agree.

bob2356 says

highest murder rates are in liberal gun law red states and the lowest murder rates are in strict gun law blue states.

perhaps clarify which states you are talking about? Not sure how you define liberal vs strict gun laws.

I haven't run the numbers in 2 years, but when you take murder rate and run a regression against legal gun ownership rate, there is a negative correlation. Higher legal gun ownership = lower murder rate per state. Although the relationship was nowhere near as strong as % of african americans to murder rate.

Hair Hatted Houligan Relatives of rightfully shot dead Burglar complain about 2nd Amendment.

www.youtube.com/embed/9NGjm2Qz0nM

It's America's #1 Plague and the cause of most of the Violence in this country. Nasty bitches who don't love their kids, don't care what happens to them, especially the boys. Just wanting to get the most recently paroled Thug (desperate from being in prison) to bang 'em in their nasty coochie.

Trayvon's mom didn't even know what her own son liked.

Goran_K says

bob2356 says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

FP says

That's what I wish too. So please restore my comment, which Goran deleted , and delete Goran's attack against me.

@FP Deleted comments are really gone, since backups happen at night.

Can you just repost it? Please do not make it about Goran or about any other user, or about all patrick.net users.

Nothing will ever change until folks get real about why a handful of horny, bloodthirsty Spaniards could defeat Montezuma and subjugate the Stone Age soon to be Hispanics. And why Africa is so ass backwards. Hint: it ain’t whitey.

Goran_K says

The highest murder rates are not in "red states" but overwhelmingly in DEMOCRAT dominated cities that happen to be in red states. The most dangerous parts of the country are entirely within Democrat controlled inner cities.

Criminal genes.

Left wing media has been pushing anti American ideology, it does affect the minds of their viewers.

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

FP says

Goran_K says

Please use this or similar qualifier in future so that it is clear that you are not insulting the other users.

You don't have to worry about me. I'm the mod here, and I'll keep things nice and clean for everyone. Rest assured.

Sorry, but I can't, based on what I have seen. Especially in your case. Please use language (English is your native language, right?) that does not insult other users.

Seems fair

I found a really funny meme. It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

PrivilegedtobeWhite says

It has absolutely nothing to do with the most recent comments above, nor is it targeted at any specific person on the Left.

It does accurately fit many of the lefty posters in this thread.

Goran_K says

Worst part is, it's mostly blacks killing other blacks.

You say that as if it's a bad thing.

HappyGilmore says

blacks commit SO MUCH MORE GUN VIOLENCE than other races, that you can build a decently accurate model of murder per capita knowing nothing more than % of african americans in a population

I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ? (not that it's aswesome that so many inner city blacks find themselves in gang banger turf battles, vendettas, or whatever the fuck they're doing.

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness ! Kudos. I know Patrick loves it and agrees wholeheartedly.

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.

marcus says

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks,

From Chicago:

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

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Are you trying to distract from this ?

marcus says

I call total BS.

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

Do you want to bet me ?

marcus says

Sniper says

marcus says

Do you want to bet me ?

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

I need a trustee to hold the money and a good definition of what constitutes a win.

@Patrick I’m telling you there’s a huge market in need of an outlet here. SkininthegamelikearealfuckingAmerican.com
Man up and put your money where your mouth is or piss straight off with your worthless tripe.

You’d need to work on having fair arbiters, though.

marcus says

I don't want to go through the troulbe unless you are willing to bet. I bet I can find a suburb, of say, D.C., baltimore, Atlanta or some other city, with a significant black population and close to zero murder rate. And I'm talking middle class, not even upper middle class.

You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well. It would be interesting to compare the outlier to black culture at large. This type of exercise will most likely illuminate the problems and perhaps even solutions to those problems. I encourage you to find this outlier.

marcus says

Why are your stats referring to 6 times as many blacks, rather than 20 times as many drug dealing street gang bangers ?

Statistics on racial breakdowns are easy to find and as accurate as statistics across 300 million people can be.

marcus says

If there was some population where there were three pedophiles cought last year, all white, would it be relevant to go on and on about how there are infinitely more white pedophiles in that population than any other race ?

Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.

marcus says

I commend you though on your refreshing lack of political correctness !

You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.

Some of us have more integrity and courage.

Another juxtaposition of the quotes. I think of it as an art form.

CBOEtrader says

Why is it difficult for leftists to make points w/o attacking others?

CBOEtrader says

you wouldnt be able to tell the difference between Nazi's and today's left.

CBOEtrader says

This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.

CBOEtrader says

You are betting that you can find an outlier? Sure, go ahead. I'll bet if you could find an outlier as well.

An outlier ? I was talking about an entire population. I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate. I think your proposition is an absurd lie, unless applied to populations that include a dirt poor black population. Even then, if it's in a non urban area it's still probably false.


CBOEtrader says

Probably not. 3 people does not make a statistically significant case study. 5000 gun murders per year, however, does.

Actually 3 compared to zero is statistically significant.

CBOEtrader says

You see. THIS is why we cant solve the problems in the black community. PC culture IS STANDING IN THE WAY OF SAVING LIVES. You dont care, you just care about not being called racist.

Bull-fucking shit !! I don't deny the problem. I also don't define the problem as simplistically as you.

Maybe you can explain to us how making it about race, rather than about job opportunities,education and family values makes your approach so much more efficacious ?

marcus says

I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate.

Sniper says

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

and, we're still waiting.....

marcus says

I think your proposition is an absurd lie

This is the brainwashing talking.

Simple statistical truths become so unpalatable that you reject obvious facts.

Ok, do this. Out of 52 states (including Puerto Rico and DC), measure the correlation between murder and % of black population in 42 of them. Then use that to forecast the murder rate of the last 10. You will get VERY close. I know, because I've done it. You are crying foul because you haven't.

Ultimately this type of PC reaction hurts black communities. We must be free to identify an obvious crime problem in the black community if we have any chance to fix the problem.

Or do you feel that our black communities are totes fine because you can find an outlier somewhere?

marcus says

Maybe you can explain to us how making it about race, rather than about job opportunities,education and family values makes your approach so much more efficacious ?

Because you can do the same thing for poor hispanic, white and Asian communities AND blacks still dwarf the others in their crime rate. Yes, poverty is correlated but race is FAR more correlated.

CBOEtrader says

AND blacks still dwarf the others in their crime rate. Yes, poverty is correlated but race is FAR more correlated.

Okay, what's your point ? What are you going to do with that ? Let's suppose your're right. How exactly is that useful ?

And I still say it's easy to find middle class black communities with close to zero violence, making you wrong.

Perhaps poor and black is far more likely to be violent than poor and asian.

But that doesn't mean that middle class and black isn't nearly equal in violence to middle class and Asian.

Sniper says

marcus says

I believe that I could find many populations with significant black populations and a very low murder rate.

Sniper says

Yes, go for it.

We'll be waiting.

and, we're still waiting.....

marcus says

And I still say it's easy to find middle class black communities with close to zero violence, making you wrong.

...and we're STILL waiting.....

I'm still waiting for you to put up some money. Cluck cluck cluck cluck cluck......

DO you get my drift ? Or do I need to spell it out more clearly for you.