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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:01pm
errc says
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
Everyone knows this
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 12:04pm
FP says
No it’s fairly obvious they aren’t very self aware, otherwise they wouldn’t be right wing pawns. And you could try, but they don’t have money to wager, and even if they did, their word is shit so impossible to have a Gentleman’s wager with people lacking any constitution
errc saysEveryone knows this
But do you think they, being so dumb, are aware of this fact? Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it. It will be easy money. I think they like betting too.
No it’s fairly obvious they aren’t very self aware, otherwise they wouldn’t be right wing pawns. And you could try, but they don’t have money to wager, and even if they did, their word is shit so impossible to have a Gentleman’s wager with people lacking any constitution
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:10pm
errc says
Yes, you are right. They are very dishonest and hypocritical. Which is quite ironic since these are two of the characteristics of SJW's and the PC movement against which they rage so much. But dumb is dumb, what can you do?
their word is shit
Yes, you are right. They are very dishonest and hypocritical. Which is quite ironic since these are two of the characteristics of SJW's and the PC movement against which they rage so much. But dumb is dumb, what can you do?
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Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 12:12pm
Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 12:12pm
FP says
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
explain US vs other developed countries
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:23pm
drB6 says
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.
You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?
FP saysexplain US vs other developed countries
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.
You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 12:26pm
Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.
There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.
There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:43pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:43pm
Goran_K says
Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.
errc saysVermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.
Wrong.
Vermont has lots of gun nutters. One of the most active NRA chapters is in Vermont, and they can own Class III NFA items (not available in California or New York).
Lots of Democrats = Lots of gun homicide
Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:46pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:46pm
FP says
If there is a real, digital, fair method id happily challenge anyone on this board to an IQ test challenge.
Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it.
If there is a real, digital, fair method id happily challenge anyone on this board to an IQ test challenge.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:50pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:50pm
FP says
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians
Canada is 2.5% black. Yes they have a low crime rate
Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.
There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians
Canada is 2.5% black. Yes they have a low crime rate
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 12:50pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 12:50pm
FP says
They were highly developed Anglo-Saxon nations before they had diversity. Australia had a Whites-only, then an "Educated-Only" policy most of the past century.
Canada is about 80% White, with a Native population larger than the US at 5%. Add in East Asians at 8%, and Canada is 93% Indigenous, White, or East Asian. With only 7% from mostly Shithole Countries.
Despite taking in Lebanese (big crime element) and Asians in numbers, Australia is still 90% White. In other words, about the same as China which is about 90% Han Chinese. Han Chinese dominate in every last Chinese province except Tibet and Xikiang, the latter which due to deliberate policies of relocating Han to Turkic Areas, it is now 45% Han Chinese.
Indeed, one can make the case that the median White household is worse off (considering more Mothers work these days, also) since the the 1960s Immigration Act.
FP says
Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?
They're colonies of Germany, deliberately de-industrialized after the Cold War to ensure they couldn't compete with Germany by offering low-cost goods based on lower labor and electric costs. Like GM and the Trollies, the Germans brought up the factories, used the machines for scrap metal, and shut 'em down. Much of the money that Germany was allowed to go over EU limits to borrow in the 90s for Reunification actually was spent "Investing" in Eastern Europe.
Germany's war on coal isn't solely motivated by Greeny Goodness.
Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.
They were highly developed Anglo-Saxon nations before they had diversity. Australia had a Whites-only, then an "Educated-Only" policy most of the past century.
Canada is about 80% White, with a Native population larger than the US at 5%. Add in East Asians at 8%, and Canada is 93% Indigenous, White, or East Asian. With only 7% from mostly Shithole Countries.
Despite taking in Lebanese (big crime element) and Asians in numbers, Australia is still 90% White. In other words, about the same as China which is about 90% Han Chinese. Han Chinese dominate in every last Chinese province except Tibet and Xikiang, the latter which due to deliberate policies of relocating Han to Turkic Areas, it is now 45% Han Chinese.
Indeed, one can make the case that the median White household is worse off (considering more Mothers work these days, also) since the the 1960s Immigration Act.
FP says
There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.
Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?
They're colonies of Germany, deliberately de-industrialized after the Cold War to ensure they couldn't compete with Germany by offering low-cost goods based on lower labor and electric costs. Like GM and the Trollies, the Germans brought up the factories, used the machines for scrap metal, and shut 'em down. Much of the money that Germany was allowed to go over EU limits to borrow in the 90s for Reunification actually was spent "Investing" in Eastern Europe.
Germany's war on coal isn't solely motivated by Greeny Goodness.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:54pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 12:54pm
drB6 says
First define "developed countries". Every time the left pulls out this garbage line they cherry pick a few European countries plus a few homogonous Asian countries.
A far better comparison would be Mexico or Brazil, as they are similarly diverse. How are we doing I'm violent crime compared to those places?
If you want to compare to Iceland, New Hampshire here in the states has comparable income, diversity and crime rates.
FP saysexplain US vs other developed countries
Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.
Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.
First define "developed countries". Every time the left pulls out this garbage line they cherry pick a few European countries plus a few homogonous Asian countries.
A far better comparison would be Mexico or Brazil, as they are similarly diverse. How are we doing I'm violent crime compared to those places?
If you want to compare to Iceland, New Hampshire here in the states has comparable income, diversity and crime rates.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 1:03pm
CBOEtrader says
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?
FP saysCanada and Australia are ethnically diverse.
There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians
Canada is 2.5% black. Yes they have a low crime rate
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 1:09pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 1:09pm
errc says
Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.
The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.
Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.
It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?
Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.
The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.
Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.
It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:15pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:15pm
errc says
End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.
End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.
End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.
Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.
Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.
Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.
Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.
Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.
Bring back working class jobs by protecting our boarder.
Basically, everything Trump is doing should drastically help the black community. We are already showing signs of improvement.
How do you propose we resolve the black problem?
End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.
End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.
End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.
Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.
Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.
Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.
Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.
Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.
Bring back working class jobs by protecting our boarder.
Basically, everything Trump is doing should drastically help the black community. We are already showing signs of improvement.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:18pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:18pm
FP says
At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.
Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.
Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot
At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.
Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 1:30pm
CBOEtrader says
Riiiight. Either that, or he’s as Republican as any Republican before him.
His lone accomplishments are massive tax cut for the wealthy and promises to spend more money we don’t have on a military we don’t need.
How is that any different than every other Republican?
Oh yea, he talks about God a lot, and really protects the Christian Conservative halfwits and their religious nonsense that they demand be imposed on the rest of us, Freedom and Liberty be damned
FP saysRepublican with < $5mil net worth = idiot
At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.
Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.
Riiiight. Either that, or he’s as Republican as any Republican before him.
His lone accomplishments are massive tax cut for the wealthy and promises to spend more money we don’t have on a military we don’t need.
How is that any different than every other Republican?
Oh yea, he talks about God a lot, and really protects the Christian Conservative halfwits and their religious nonsense that they demand be imposed on the rest of us, Freedom and Liberty be damned
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 1:31pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
So Big Government Nanny State?
errc saysHow do you propose we resolve the black problem?
Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.
The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.
Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.
It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.
So Big Government Nanny State?
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Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 1:31pm
Goran_K
2018 Mar 20, 1:31pm
CBOEtrader says
Good point.
Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.
Good point.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 1:32pm
CBOEtrader says
Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?
Now it’s just SJWs demanding the Big Government come spend more money
With right wingers, some things never change
errc saysHow do you propose we resolve the black problem?
End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.
End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.
End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.
Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.
Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.
Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.
Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.
Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.
Bring back working clas...
Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?
Now it’s just SJWs demanding the Big Government come spend more money
With right wingers, some things never change
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:46pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 1:46pm
errc says
My solution would eliminate SJW's and big government from the equation.
Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?
My solution would eliminate SJW's and big government from the equation.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 2:16pm
CBOEtrader says
1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.
2. Democrats lose because they have turned into a center-right party and do not prioritize the interests of low and middle class Americans.
3. Trump the low class candidate? LOL
Trump was the anti-Hillary candidate. Maybe the desperation candidate.
But poor people have been fooled and screwed throughout human history. So I will not be surprised if they adopt him as their candidate.
FP saysRepublican with < $5mil net worth = idiot
At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.
Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.
1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.
2. Democrats lose because they have turned into a center-right party and do not prioritize the interests of low and middle class Americans.
3. Trump the low class candidate? LOL
Trump was the anti-Hillary candidate. Maybe the desperation candidate.
But poor people have been fooled and screwed throughout human history. So I will not be surprised if they adopt him as their candidate.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 2:20pm
Patrick,
Sniper continues to post a personal attack against the users in this tread. After it is marked as personal, the moderator(s) is restoring it. Please ensure that your moderator is following your rules.
errc, can you please quote this message and add @patrick, so that he receives it.
Sniper continues to post a personal attack against the users in this tread. After it is marked as personal, the moderator(s) is restoring it. Please ensure that your moderator is following your rules.
errc, can you please quote this message and add @patrick, so that he receives it.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 2:25pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 2:25pm
I did, because it didn't target anybody in particular, only mentioned unspecified whingers in the thread, and was a reply to Quigley.
My apologies if that's not in keeping with the rules.
My apologies if that's not in keeping with the rules.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 2:30pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.
Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?
I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.
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anonymous
2018 Mar 20, 2:34pm
Is it just coincidence that all the mods are biased against non-Trumpcucks?
Or is that by design along with abandoning Free Speech, and honest dialogue?
Or is that by design along with abandoning Free Speech, and honest dialogue?
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm
FP says
Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism, the preferred Imperialist (and now Corporatist) solution to pesky nationalism?
I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.
Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism, the preferred Imperialist (and now Corporatist) solution to pesky nationalism?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Mar 20, 2:35pm
FP says
Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.
At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.
1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.
Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.
At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 2:39pm
CBOEtrader says
Arguably better than Clinton, but not Sanders.
For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.
FP says1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.
Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.
At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.
Arguably better than Clinton, but not Sanders.
For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 2:42pm
TwoScoopsPlissken says
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.
Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism,
Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.
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Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 3:16pm
Bd6r
2018 Mar 20, 3:16pm
FP says
Not physics, more applied discipline
There has to be some correlation between gun crime/gun availability, but I do not think that number of guns is the main or biggest factor. Swiss have twice less guns per capita than US, but gun murder rate is much, much less that of US. Finns have a lot of guns, and again gun crime is much less proportionally than in US, and much, much less crime in general as income distributions in those countries are much more equal than in US.
My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one. One could perhaps start fixing situation with mental health services, or increased economic opportunities for people, or FBI doing its job. Compare Chicago or Baltimore with Houston, El Paso, or San Antonio.
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high (Russia). Canada/Australia probably has less income inequality.
Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.
You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?
Not physics, more applied discipline
There has to be some correlation between gun crime/gun availability, but I do not think that number of guns is the main or biggest factor. Swiss have twice less guns per capita than US, but gun murder rate is much, much less that of US. Finns have a lot of guns, and again gun crime is much less proportionally than in US, and much, much less crime in general as income distributions in those countries are much more equal than in US.
My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one. One could perhaps start fixing situation with mental health services, or increased economic opportunities for people, or FBI doing its job. Compare Chicago or Baltimore with Houston, El Paso, or San Antonio.
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high (Russia). Canada/Australia probably has less income inequality.
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missing
2018 Mar 20, 3:38pm
drB6 says
But how can you isolate them? If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise? Or maybe you have solution for how to fix the other problems?
It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.
My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one
But how can you isolate them? If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise? Or maybe you have solution for how to fix the other problems?
It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.
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MrMagic
2018 Mar 20, 3:46pm
MrMagic
2018 Mar 20, 3:46pm
FP says
Please explain what "hardly any control wise" means.
FP says
What exact laws are missing that should be implemented? Please be specific?
Isn't shooting someone already illegal?
If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise?
Please explain what "hardly any control wise" means.
FP says
It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.
What exact laws are missing that should be implemented? Please be specific?
Isn't shooting someone already illegal?
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 20, 3:54pm
CBOEtrader says
Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.
Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?
Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.
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HappyGilmore
2018 Mar 20, 3:57pm
CBOEtrader says
What evidence is that?
oth of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.
What evidence is that?
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Accusing others of being child killers for disagreeing about gun rights -OR- suggesting disagreement can only stem from ignorance or racism or both. This form of bigotry is so deeply rooted into the psyche of the left that it becomes almost impossible to discuss a political topic w/o letting these direct personal attacks slip.
Our forum has become an interesting case study in the leftists psychology. It is the product of $billions worth of propaganda blasting soft minds with news, and nonstop Hollywood bigotry against wrongthink. The Nazi's would be jealous of the righteousness seen in today's left, and even more jealous of the glee with which the left today enacts its fascist, anti-wrongthink agenda