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drB6 says

FP says

explain US vs other developed countries

Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.

Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.

Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.

You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?

Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.

There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.

Goran_K says

errc says

Vermont is sparsely populated with the only city center type town being a college town on the Canadian border.

Wrong.

Vermont has lots of gun nutters. One of the most active NRA chapters is in Vermont, and they can own Class III NFA items (not available in California or New York).

Lots of Democrats = Lots of gun homicide

Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.

Left has no points, just demands onto taxpayers.

FP says

Because if not, I can challenge some of them to an IQ competition and they may fall for it.

If there is a real, digital, fair method id happily challenge anyone on this board to an IQ test challenge.

FP says

Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.

There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians

Canada is 2.5% black. Yes they have a low crime rate

FP says

Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.

They were highly developed Anglo-Saxon nations before they had diversity. Australia had a Whites-only, then an "Educated-Only" policy most of the past century.

Canada is about 80% White, with a Native population larger than the US at 5%. Add in East Asians at 8%, and Canada is 93% Indigenous, White, or East Asian. With only 7% from mostly Shithole Countries.

Despite taking in Lebanese (big crime element) and Asians in numbers, Australia is still 90% White. In other words, about the same as China which is about 90% Han Chinese. Han Chinese dominate in every last Chinese province except Tibet and Xikiang, the latter which due to deliberate policies of relocating Han to Turkic Areas, it is now 45% Han Chinese.

Indeed, one can make the case that the median White household is worse off (considering more Mothers work these days, also) since the the 1960s Immigration Act.

FP says

There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.

Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?

They're colonies of Germany, deliberately de-industrialized after the Cold War to ensure they couldn't compete with Germany by offering low-cost goods based on lower labor and electric costs. Like GM and the Trollies, the Germans brought up the factories, used the machines for scrap metal, and shut 'em down. Much of the money that Germany was allowed to go over EU limits to borrow in the 90s for Reunification actually was spent "Investing" in Eastern Europe.

Germany's war on coal isn't solely motivated by Greeny Goodness.

drB6 says

FP says

explain US vs other developed countries

Might be higher income inequality in US and more ethnically and racially mixed population.

Edit: and a good case in point is actually El Paso, which is ethnically homogeneous (>90% Hispanic) and has very low crime.

First define "developed countries". Every time the left pulls out this garbage line they cherry pick a few European countries plus a few homogonous Asian countries.

A far better comparison would be Mexico or Brazil, as they are similarly diverse. How are we doing I'm violent crime compared to those places?

If you want to compare to Iceland, New Hampshire here in the states has comparable income, diversity and crime rates.

CBOEtrader says

FP says

Canada and Australia are ethnically diverse.

There are Eastern European countries with large income inequality and population living below the poverty line.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Canadians

Canada is 2.5% black. Yes they have a low crime rate

How do you propose we resolve the black problem?

errc says

How do you propose we resolve the black problem?

Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.

The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.

Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.

It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.

errc says

How do you propose we resolve the black problem?

End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.

End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.

End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.

Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.

Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.

Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.

Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.

Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.

Bring back working class jobs by protecting our boarder.

Basically, everything Trump is doing should drastically help the black community. We are already showing signs of improvement.

Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot

FP says

Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot

At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.

CBOEtrader says

FP says

Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot

At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.

Riiiight. Either that, or he’s as Republican as any Republican before him.

His lone accomplishments are massive tax cut for the wealthy and promises to spend more money we don’t have on a military we don’t need.

How is that any different than every other Republican?

Oh yea, he talks about God a lot, and really protects the Christian Conservative halfwits and their religious nonsense that they demand be imposed on the rest of us, Freedom and Liberty be damned

TwoScoopsPlissken says

errc says

How do you propose we resolve the black problem?

Abraham Lincoln thought they should be Hotep'd. Send them back to Africa, the goddamn magic wonderland where in the ancient days of Wakanda, they built UFO Anti-gravity Pyramids that traveled the stars until Yakub the literal White Devil showed up.

The true sign of Ra's blessing is the Black Man thrives in the hot sun, but the Evil White Devil is burned and cursed with the Melanoma by the lifegiving Rays of Ra.

Seriously though, the NigNog is a subset of Black People, who causes most of the problems. Send the Hair Hatted Houligan Bastard Factories to the Unwed Mothers home. That will solve most of the Urban Crime Problem. Work, no Thugs to Fuck, No 40s Allowed, no problems of Black Youth corrupted by Nasty Nappy Hos.

It's for everybody, including Trailer White Trash Hos too.

So Big Government Nanny State?

CBOEtrader says

Vermont has very few blacks = low crime rate. This is the unfortunate truth.

Good point.

CBOEtrader says

errc says

How do you propose we resolve the black problem?

End PC culture immediately so that experts can ask the tough questions, identify problems, and look for potential solutions.

End the soft racism of leftist low expectations and treat blacks w the same dignity and respect as we treat white males.

End affirmative action and any other program that has been a proven failure to those it supposedly helps.

Implement best person for the job policies, EVERYWHERE.

Teach blacks to compete on a level playing field rather than hand out soft expectation racist goodies.

Publicly shame anyone who promotes victim hood culture.

Look openly at the inner city democratic policies that have kept the black communities in ghetto voting plantation mode.

Spend money on better schools rather than wars and/or failed welfare programs.

Bring back working clas...

Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?

Now it’s just SJWs demanding the Big Government come spend more money

With right wingers, some things never change

errc says

Whatever happened to Free Market Capitalist solutions?

My solution would eliminate SJW's and big government from the equation.

CBOEtrader says

FP says

Republican with < $5mil net worth = idiot

At least you are honest about how you judge working class americans. This is why the D's will continue to lose.

Trump is the working class candidate. He is what the democrats were in the days of JFK.

1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

2. Democrats lose because they have turned into a center-right party and do not prioritize the interests of low and middle class Americans.

3. Trump the low class candidate? LOL
Trump was the anti-Hillary candidate. Maybe the desperation candidate.

But poor people have been fooled and screwed throughout human history. So I will not be surprised if they adopt him as their candidate.

Patrick,

Sniper continues to post a personal attack against the users in this tread. After it is marked as personal, the moderator(s) is restoring it. Please ensure that your moderator is following your rules.

errc, can you please quote this message and add @patrick, so that he receives it.

Thanks @FP deleted now.

Who was reposting it???

I did, because it didn't target anybody in particular, only mentioned unspecified whingers in the thread, and was a reply to Quigley.

My apologies if that's not in keeping with the rules.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?

I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.

Is it just coincidence that all the mods are biased against non-Trumpcucks?

Or is that by design along with abandoning Free Speech, and honest dialogue?

FP says

I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.

Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism, the preferred Imperialist (and now Corporatist) solution to pesky nationalism?

FP says

1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.

CBOEtrader says

FP says

1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.

Arguably better than Clinton, but not Sanders.

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism,

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

FP says

but not Sanders.

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

FP says

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.

Yeah, K Harris will get destroyed. Unless the Rock is running, Trump is fine.

FP says

Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.

You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?

Not physics, more applied discipline

There has to be some correlation between gun crime/gun availability, but I do not think that number of guns is the main or biggest factor. Swiss have twice less guns per capita than US, but gun murder rate is much, much less that of US. Finns have a lot of guns, and again gun crime is much less proportionally than in US, and much, much less crime in general as income distributions in those countries are much more equal than in US.

My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one. One could perhaps start fixing situation with mental health services, or increased economic opportunities for people, or FBI doing its job. Compare Chicago or Baltimore with Houston, El Paso, or San Antonio.

In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high (Russia). Canada/Australia probably has less income inequality.

drB6 says

My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one

But how can you isolate them? If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise? Or maybe you have solution for how to fix the other problems?

It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.

FP says

If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise?

Please explain what "hardly any control wise" means.

FP says

It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.

What exact laws are missing that should be implemented? Please be specific?

Isn't shooting someone already illegal?

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

CBOEtrader says

oth of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

What evidence is that?

http://ritholtz.com/2018/03/dont-know-prevent-gun-violence/

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

FP says

http://ritholtz.com/2018/03/dont-know-prevent-gun-violence/

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

A finance guy is now the authority on gun violence and gun laws???

Really?

To top it off, he posts charts from Vox and Mother Jones, the two most lefty leaning, radical, liberal sites on the web???

Folks, you just can't make this shit up!

HappyGilmore says

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!