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curious2 says

I've seen pit bulls even in very nice neighborhoods, possibly adopted by identitarian "liberals" trying to prove "rehabilitation" or "nurture over nature."

Reminds me of a girl I knew from HS who only dated black guys to qualify her as a more credible liberal lol.

curious2 says

I've seen pit bulls even in very nice neighborhoods, possibly adopted by identitarian "liberals" trying to prove "rehabilitation" or "nurture over nature." Walking along the sidewalk one day, I happened to pass a male pitbull that had been staring intently at a female farther down the block. The owners were out walking their dogs, on leash, and on opposite sides of the sidewalk, at least 10 meters apart. The only way for me to continue toward my destination was to walk between them, passing first the male and then the female. When I crossed the male's field of view, he barked and snarled and lunged at me with such force that the owner could barely restrain him. If the dog had been off leash, or if the owner had been smaller or weaker, the situation could have ended very badly. Many vagrants have pitbulls off leash, with no accountability at all: you can't even identify which pit bull stuck a snout into your crotch, or which vagrant might have owned it, and even other dog owners feel sc...

Wow. I agree with you that pit bulls have no place in densely populated areas, but why in the world you choose to somehow bring politics and liberals into this is bizarre.

Do you have any reason to believe that liberals own pit bulls at a rate higher than conservatives? I would bet it's the complete opposite. My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

But, I have no data so I wouldn't include that in a post about the problems with the pit bull breed... Not sure why you feel the need to do so?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

HappyGilmore says

But, I have no data

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Conservatives owning pit bulls? I'm sure it's happened before.

Sniper says

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Good---I'm sure you have data to back it up then, right? Because you'd be a fool to state I'm wrong without it..

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Good---I'm sure you have data to back it up then, right? Because you'd be a fool to state I'm wrong without it..

Isn't that what you did above?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

BayArea says

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Good---I'm sure you have data to back it up then, right? Because you'd be a fool to state I'm wrong without it..

Isn't that what you did above?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

Why would a person who has a legal access to a gun want an agressive dog? For self-defense? But this is what the gun is for.

It's the convicted felons on probation who want an agressive animal as a substitute for a gun they are prohibited from owning. And these are 100% ACLU-loving Democrat supportes, as would be my guess.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Why would a person who has a legal access to a gun want an agressive dog? For self-defense? But this is what the gun is for.

You'd have to ask him/her, I don't know.

Why would someone need 15 guns? For self defense? I know lots of people that own that many.

guns don't kill people, they are just objects.

pit bulls on the other hand, are animals that murder anything that upsets them. owning one is almost as stupid as owning a tiger in the house, sooner or later you'll be eaten.

HappyGilmore says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Why would a person who has a legal access to a gun want an agressive dog? For self-defense? But this is what the gun is for.

You'd have to ask him/her, I don't know.

Why would someone need 15 guns? For self defense? I know lots of people that own that many.

15 guns don't give you any more trouble than 1 gun. They mostly sit in the safe collecting dust. An agressive dog, on the other hand, is a fucking trouble. And accident waiting to happen. So I wouldn't say that owning 1 gun and one Pit is the same as owning two guns. Because unlike a gun, the fucking dog has a mind of his own and can act independently of the will of the owner.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

15 guns don't give you any more trouble than 1 gun. They mostly sit in the safe collecting dust. An agressive dog, on the other hand, is a fucking trouble. And accident waiting to happen. So I wouldn't say that owning 1 gun and one Pit is the same as owning two guns. Because unlike a gun, the fucking dog has a mind of his own and can act independently of the will of the owner.

I wouldn't say they're the same either. But clearly people own guns and dogs for reasons other than self defense.

HappyGilmore says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

15 guns don't give you any more trouble than 1 gun. They mostly sit in the safe collecting dust. An agressive dog, on the other hand, is a fucking trouble. And accident waiting to happen. So I wouldn't say that owning 1 gun and one Pit is the same as owning two guns. Because unlike a gun, the fucking dog has a mind of his own and can act independently of the will of the owner.

I wouldn't say they're the same either. But clearly people own guns and dogs for reasons other than self defense.

No argument here. It's just with agressive dogs, the reasons for own the fucking animal are very narrow: dog fights, protection of a person or proprty, maybe hunting wild pigs ... and that's about it. And even fot the personal protection I would rather own something more controllable and trainable than a Pit.

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

No argument here. It's just with agressive dogs, the reasons for own the fucking animal are very narrow: dog fights, protection of a person or proprty, maybe hunting wild pigs ... and that's about it.

And because it makes them feel tough.

HappyGilmore says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

No argument here. It's just with agressive dogs, the reasons for own the fucking animal are very narrow: dog fights, protection of a person or proprty, maybe hunting wild pigs ... and that's about it.

And because it makes them feel tough.

Yeah, thugs from the 'hood need that, sure.

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Good---I'm sure you have data to back it up then, right? Because you'd be a fool to state I'm wrong without it..

Yep, unlike you I have data, I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

How's that for data?

HappyGilmore says

Satoshi_Nakamoto says

Why would a person who has a legal access to a gun want an agressive dog? For self-defense? But this is what the gun is for.

You'd have to ask him/her, I don't know.

Why would someone need 15 guns? For self defense? I know lots of people that own that many.

I own 8 to 10 power drills. a different tool for a different job.

Sniper says

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Oh boy.....

and you would be wrong.

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

Good---I'm sure you have data to back it up then, right? Because you'd be a fool to state I'm wrong without it..

Yep, unlike you I have data, I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

How's that for data?

Anecdotal.

komputodo says

I was told that they really are a gentle breed and that chihuahuas are much more dangerous.

In my experience Chihuahuas are definitely more aggressive, although "stand-offish" is probably a better way to put it. Pit bulls are much friendlier. My brother-in-law has two that he raised from puppies, both sweat-hearts, although the mother is a different story. Although if he walked her, she would probably be better behaved.

Sniper says

Yep, unlike you I have data, I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

How's that for data?

Nope--not data. Try again.

Sniper says

I own 8 to 10 power drills. a different tool for a different job.

Obviously--several of their jobs is to make it seem like you have a bigger package.

Tatupu, let's keep things clean and not personal. I had to nuke one of your comments. You can make your point without insulting someone's "comprehension" or intelligence. Thanks.

BayArea says

Yep, unlike you I have data, I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

How's that for data?

Anecdotal.

How can it be anecdotal when it covers a verifiable, large group of the specific people (gun nuts) that was referenced.

Is a "guess", like this, more accurate?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

Sniper says

BayArea says

Yep, unlike you I have data, I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

How's that for data?

Anecdotal.

How can it be anecdotal when it covers a verifiable, large group of the specific people (gun nuts) that was referenced.

Is a "guess", like this, more accurate?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

Your sample size is small and without any controls. I'm betting you are right, but your supporting evidence is weak.

Sniper says

How can it be anecdotal when it covers a verifiable, large group of the specific people (gun nuts) that was referenced.

If you're really asking, in order to make that into data, you'd need to be specific and detailed.

Like--

Among members of the Central New Jersey NRA that attended the last meeting:

45 people attended. 34 had dogs. Of those 34, these were the breeds:

15 Labs
8 Goldens
5 Beagles
etc, etc.

That would be data.

sell all pitbulls to the vietnamese. its a win win...

RafiMaas says

The problem with pitbulls is they are pure muscle.

HappyGilmore says

If you're really asking, in order to make that into data, you'd need to be specific and detailed.

Sorry, I couldn't find the poll on WaPo, which would have made you happy.

BayArea says

I'm betting you are right, but your supporting evidence is weak.

OK, let's try this:

1/3 of the country owns guns, and we know also know almost 50% of the country owns dogs. Here is the latest report from the American Kennel Club (they're credible to you guys, I hope).

Labrador Retriever Is Most Popular Breed for 27th Year in a Row.

..."One thing, however, has remained the same. Since 1991, the Labrador Retriever has been the most popular dog in the nation, and with the statistics from 2017 in, the Lab continues his reign. The Lab has been top dog since 1991, when it beat out the gentle, smart, and happy Cocker Spaniel. In addition to being the most popular dog in the nation, the Lab is also the #1 dog in Atlanta, Boston, Chicago, Dallas, Denver, Houston, Raleigh, Seattle, and Washington D.C.
http://www.akc.org/expert-advice/news/labrador-retriever-most-popular-breed-27th-year-row/

Here's the top ten list from the AKC:

Labrador retriever
German shepherd
Golden retriever
French bulldog
Bulldog
Beagle
Poodle
Rottweiler
Yorkshire Terrier
German shorthaired pointer

(BTW, Pit Bulls came in 82nd)

So, when I said this:

Sniper says

Most gun nuts have hunting type dogs, like Retrievers, which are extremely friendly.

How close to accurate was that, considering two of the top three on the AKC list were Retrievers? Yes, it's not a official NYT or WaPO survey (the only ones you believe), but it gives a pretty accurate representation. My statement about the "Gun Nuts" on the gun forums is very accurate, based on personal reporting.

How close and accurate was this statement?

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

Still believe that?

And regarding:

BayArea says

Anecdotal.

Speaking of ancedotal....

Guess what, I'm a "Gun Nut", and guess what breed of puppy I recently bought?




Imagine that, it's a Labrador Retriever.

Amazing, isn't it?

Sniper says

How close to accurate was that, considering two of the top three on the AKC list were Retrievers? Yes, it's not a official NYT or WaPO survey (the only ones you believe), but it gives a pretty accurate representation. My statement about the "Gun Nuts" on the gun forums is very accurate, based on personal reporting.

How close and accurate was this statement?

It's completely unknown. You have no data showing correlation between owning a gun and owning an retriever. (or a pit bull).

Sniper says

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

Still believe that?

Yep.

HappyGilmore says

You have no data showing correlation between owning a gun and owning an retriever. (or a pit bull).

Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".

Maybe I'll just go back to "guessing", that seems to be the accepted "data" here.

HappyGilmore says

My guess is that there is a strong correlation between gun nut, NRA loving Trump supporters and pit bull owners.

But, I have no data

Sniper says

Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".

If you have such a list, that would be data. I've seen no such list on this thread, at least. Can you show where it's been posted?

errc says

Good looking pup @Sniper

They grow up fast.

Thanks, they do grow fast.

He turns 10 months next week, it feels like he's only been her like 3 YEARS...... oh man...

Lots of time and money invested in this dude, he's my Special Project Dog.

We're on training class number 4, he has two AKC certifications, a third one after this current class.

Then on to specialized training in Therapy Dog, Home Protection, Tracking and Trailing preparing him for Search and Rescue. The dude has some major expectations to accomplish.

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Right, hundreds of "gun nuts" listing what dogs they own is "no data".

If you have such a list, that would be data. I've seen no such list on this thread, at least. Can you show where it's been posted?

I already told you, it's not posted in NYT or WaPo, so you won't believe, since all gun owners lie, they wouldn't be truthful on what type of dog they own, right.?

Sniper says

I already told you, it's not posted in NYT or WaPo, so you won't believe, since all gun owners lie, they wouldn't be truthful on what type of dog they own, right.?

I haven't seen a list of anything other than the most popular dogs in the US. Did I miss a different list you posted?

HappyGilmore says

I haven't seen a list of anything other than the most popular dogs in the US. Did I miss a different list you posted?

Reading comprehension issues? or trolling?

Sniper says

I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

Sniper says

Sniper says

I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

Sorry--still don't see a list of anything there.

4-year-old boy mauled to death by family dog in northeast Bexar County.

A 4-year-old boy was mauled to death by the family dog in northeast Bexar County Sunday afternoon. A family friend is now pleading with the public to have compassion for the parents of 4-year-old Noah Trevino after Facebook users blamed the parents for his death.

A family member told us the dog was a Pit Bull mix and had been the family's pet for at least three years.

Yet, something set off Bam Bam Sunday afternoon at the family home on Twincreek Farm. The family told officers Noah was playing in the backyard with Bam Bam. They said when they checked on Noah, they found Bam Bam biting his neck.

http://www.kens5.com/article/news/local/4-year-old-boy-mauled-to-death-by-family-dog-in-northeast-bexar-county/273-532355324

Milwaukee woman mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs.

A Milwaukee woman was found dead in her near west side home after being mauled to death by at least one of her pet dogs, according to the Milwaukee County medical examiner's office.

Hong Saengsamly, 49, was found by her son about 10 p.m. Saturday in the kitchen of her home in the 500 block of N. 28th St., according to a medical examiner's report.

Saengsamly suffered multiple puncture and blunt force injuries on her arms and shoulders and her death was due to "mauling by dogs," according to the report.

A pit bull-type dog that appeared to be guarding her body became hostile with the son before he fatally shot the animal, according to the report.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/milwaukee/2018/03/26/milwaukee-woman-mauled-death-least-one-her-pet-dogs/460444002/

Grandmother mauled in Bronx pit bull attack speaks out.

Althea Woodson, who goes by Lisa, was watching her two young grandchildren at the Eastchester Gardens apartments when the large dog somehow got loose and pounced.

The 57-year-old suffered serious injuries to her hand and face, even losing part of her ear. She is now recovering at home.

"I have a gash, a gash here, a gash here," she said. "See where all the blood is?"

The physical pain is hard enough, but what truly overwhelms her is the the terror she felt as her grandkids played on a jungle gym and the dog lunged their way.

Eyewitness News obtained video of Woodson screaming on the bench after that dog grabbed her by the head and dragged her away.

"And it just kept coming and coming," she said. "And it won't go. It won't go nowhere, and it hurt so bad."

http://abc7ny.com/pets-animals/exclusive-grandmother-mauled-in-pit-bull-attack-speaks-out/3279201/

Here are the facts:
Pitbulls have an extremely high rate of attacks on humans.
Pitbull supporters say it's how you treat them and train them, that is the cause of the attacks.
My point...So why do we not have the same problem with other breeds?
Folks.....I love animals, pets, dogs, and pitbulls too. This beed has been bred to be a danger to us. Lets cut back on them, and promote other breeds.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Is it the pit bull's fault that faces are DELICIOUS! ?

Those are the ones we should gift to Kim Fuck.

HappyGilmore says

Sniper says

Sniper says

I belong to gun forums and the topic of dogs comes all the time and all the members have posted pictures of their dogs. guess what, i haven't seen a single pit bull.

Sorry--still don't see a list of anything there.

Pit bulls typically owned by urban, working and lower class minorities. Wonder who they vote for