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"America is a Christian nation. And if you grew up here, you’d know that, and you’d know why."

America is a nation of many different religions with no religious indoctrination in within our political system.
Thanks.

edvard says

America is a nation of many different religions with no religious indoctrination in within our political system.

I God We Trust, Indivisible under God! God Bless America...

We don't need your Brown History revisionist Marxist Commie shit telling Us what America IS or WAS.
Some of us are actually Americans remember?

edvard says

I am hoping that those of you whom are all comfy in thinking that the big orange turd and his party will be all good during the mid terms continue to remain blisfully ignorant: The rest of us- the approximately 60% of us who do not support Trump are furious and we will vote.

So you are coming out now but not November 2016 when the actual presidency and SCOTUS was on the line?

Edvard cut the personal attacks out. Thanks.

"So you are coming out now but not November 2016?"

I voted then and I will vote now. Another thing you guys are probably totally going to be caught off guard with is that pretty much ALL of the post millennial generation leans very heavily to the left... as in FDR new deal left. They are also incredibly politically active- more so than the millineials- and will be eligible to vote in November.

Either way... the rest of the country says enough is enough. Prepare for some changes in the following months. The freak show has gone on for long enough

We will see but the latest polling data shows that traditional DNC voting demographics are dwindling in support.

"[S]upport for Democrats is down among millennials, blacks, and so-called Walmart and NASCAR voters," Zogby reports — all key constituencies the Democrats require to retake the House and Senate in November — and the declines are significant. Democrats have "lost more than 10% of support among voters aged 18-50, 14 percent among Millennials aged 18-29" and have lost more than 20% of support among African-Americans during the same time period.“

edvard says

Another thing you guys are probably totally going to be caught off guard with is that pretty much ALL of the post millennial generation leans very heavily to the left... as in FDR new deal left.

You mean to tell us that the young and stupid ARE young and stupid?? Shocker! Young dopes voting for Democrats who promise them all sorts of free shit after 12-16 years of Liberal indoctrination in our schools?

Unfortunately for Democrats, many of the young and stupid grow up, get jobs, have kids, pay taxes and finally realize the Democrat policies are retarded.

"You mean to tell us that the young and stupid ARE young and stupid?? Shocker! Young dopes voting for Democrats who promise them all sorts of free shit after 12-16 years of Liberal indoctrination in our schools?

Unfortunately for Democrats, many of the young and stupid grow up, get jobs, have kids, pay taxes and finally realize the Democrat policies are retarded."

No, I mean to indicate that the youth of today don't tend to get their "news" from FOX or Rush Limbaugh or any of the other tinfoil, conspiracy bullshit sources that Trump supporters tend to get theirs from. Today's youth grew up with wide access to online information and unlike the older conservatives see right through bullshit pretty easily.

Most of today's youth are completely against conservative ideology. So continue being as ass and call them stupid: They will be calling the shots before long.

"We will see but the latest polling data shows that traditional DNC voting demographics are dwindling in support."

That's not what I'm seeing. As of right now the numbers are about the same as they've always been with Trump still only showing a 40% approval rating. That has been unchanged since the election. His party is overwhelmingly unpopular too.

edvard says

Trump still only showing a 40% approval rating. That has been unchanged since the election. His party is overwhelmingly unpopular too.

Hey who can I donate to if I want to make sure the Russia Collusion and Impeach Trump is best represented for the Democrats in November?

I'm asking for a friend.

edvard says

"America is a Christian nation. And if you grew up here, you’d know that, and you’d know why."

America is a nation of many different religions with no religious indoctrination in within our political system.
Thanks.

Theoretically yes. But every nation has roots and the American roots are clearly 100% Christian. Nobody is being disadvantaged because of their religion, in fact it's the often the opposite. Tell me why Christians cannot demand a prayer room or time for prayer but it is considered discrimination by most corporate handbooks to rally against a muslim prayer room. Really, I'd like to understand what you're angry about, Trump is as American as one can get, with all their faults and virtues. Everything else brought on from the outside and supported by the left simply undermines tribal cohesion. What have American Christians done to you besides providing you an exceptional country with ample opportunity for the pursuit of happiness and no amount of any discrimination whatsoever?

edvard says

Most of today's youth are completely against conservative ideology. So continue being as ass and call them stupid: They will be calling the shots before long.

I was once one of the young and stupid. All my college friends were all Democrats and pro-Clinton. We all hated Rush and Talk Radio (no Fox news back then) and got all of our information from the big 3 networks, CNN and a few big city newspapers along with "cool" magazines like the Nation, Mother Jones and Rolling Stone.

We were totally strident and cock-sure of ourselves. We knew everything and all the old people were dumb - we thought. Many of the bloody Marxist revolutions that killed millions of people around the world were lead by the same cock-sure students who couldn't change a flat tire, but thought they could run massive economies and curb human nature.

Thankfully, many of us got older, wiser, responsibilities, jobs, money, families and got a clue.

edvard says

I am hoping that those of you whom are all comfy in thinking that the big orange turd and his party will be all good during the mid terms continue to remain blisfully ignorant: The rest of us- the approximately 60% of us who do not support Trump are furious and we will vote.

I do not support Trump, did not vote for him or anyone else in previous election, and likely will not vote in next elections as well - it can be safely predicted that D's will trot out a Turd that will be Bigger than Turd of R's. Case in point - previous elections where D's fielded the only candidate in universe who was able to lose to Trump, while screwing over a left-wing populist who probably would have won the election. And no, I would not have voted for Sanders as well.

Having said that, I remember similar rhetoric about Trump's un-electablility up to right before his election. How did that end for deniers of reality who have not been out of their $2 million DC townhouses?

"I was once one of the young and stupid. All my college friends were all Democrats and pro-Clinton. We all hated Rush and Talk Radio (no Fox news back then) and got all of our information from the big 3 networks, CNN and a few big city newspapers along with "cool" magazines like the Nation, Mother Jones and Rolling Stone."

Yeah... I bet you were... But nevertheless I was at one time maybe a moderate Democrat and now that I'm in my 40's, have a house payment, make a good income, pay taxes and all that other stuff you mentioned I've grown even more liberal and that goes for most people I know. Perhaps its not that I've grown more liberal but that the right has gone more extreme.

I'm sorry but growing wiser and mixing with with becoming more conservative doesn't make sense. Generally people are supposed to become more intelligent versus regressing and joining the party of the weak minded and imbecilic.

Aphroman says

mell says

edvard says

"America is a Christian nation. And if you grew up here, you’d know that, and you’d know why."

America is a nation of many different religions with no religious indoctrination in within our political system.
Thanks.

Theoretically yes. But every nation has roots and the American roots are clearly 100% Christian. Nobody is being disadvantaged because of their religion, in fact it's the often the opposite. Tell me why Christians cannot demand a prayer room or time for prayer but it is considered discrimination by most corporate handbooks to rally against a muslim prayer room. Really, I'd like to understand what you're angry about, Trump is as American as one can get, with all their faults and virtues. Everything else brought on from the outside and supported by the left simply undermines tribal c...

I don't agree with everything the church(es) say. But I have to look hard to find even the slightest case of coercion on their side. Abortion is legal, same-sex marriage is legal, recreational drugs are legislated on the state level - where are they trumping the constitution? Nowhere. Also most prohibitionist measures are not driven by the clergy, but by other interests - e.g. making prostitution illegal is propping up the dating and marriage market, a billion dollar industry, bigly (def not the churches call). No reason to be mad or making comparisons to orgs that want to violently conquer the whole world.

mell says

But I have to look hard to find even the slightest case of coercion on their side.

I'd say it is more of an irritating babble from religious side that I hear. However, they do try to make abortions illegal and they do support prohibition on everything, even if they are unwilling and stupid accomplices in someones else racket.

edvard says

Yeah... I bet you were... But nevertheless I was at one time maybe a moderate Democrat and now that I'm in my 40's, have a house payment, make a good income, pay taxes and all that other stuff you mentioned I've grown even more liberal and that goes for most people I know. Perhaps its not that I've grown more liberal but that the right has gone more extreme.

I'm sorry but growing wiser and mixing with with becoming more conservative doesn't make sense. Generally people are supposed to become more intelligent versus regressing and joining the party of the weak minded and imbecilic.

Right has gotten more extreme? No, they just got a voice thanks to the internet and talk radio.

Besides, we had "compassionate conservative" Bush II and we nominated our most milquetoast squishy moderates (McCain and Romney) only for the crazy Left to label them extremists. If Mitt Boy-scout Romney is labeled an extremist by the Left, then fuck it - we might as well run someone as uncouth and vulgar like Trump.

And the Democrat party is so far left now, it is barely recognizable. They are a cobbled together coalition of gays, trannies, SJW'rs, illegal aliens, criminals, poor, unions.........all funded by uber rich Leftists.

"And the Democrat party is so far left now, it is barely recognizable. They are a cobbled together coalition of gays, trannies, SJW'rs, illegal aliens, criminals, poor, unions.........all funded by uber rich Leftists."

That comment right there is precisely why the GOP is likely doomed. Rampant xenophobia has overtaken the party and if there's one thing assured: That kind of xenophobia is becoming increasingly more unpopular with more and more Americans as shown by the widening levels of support for gay marriage, civil rights, unions and so on. That you say that is laughable. Jesus christ...

"Right has gotten more extreme? No, they just got a voice thanks to the internet and talk radio."
Its more that they have gotten more paranoid and scared. That and a huge number of them like to believe in the dumbest horse shit. I forget the number but something like 20% of the US populace literally believes that commercial jet planes intentionally spew toxic chemicals placed in the fuel by the gubbermint. Yes- and these folks also overwhelmingly vote Republican. They have become the party of the stupid and economically repressed.

edvard says

That comment right there is precisely why the GOP is likely doomed. Rampant xenophobia has overtaken the party and if there's one thing assured: That kind of xenophobia is becoming increasingly more unpopular with more and more Americans as shown by the widening levels of support for gay marriage, civil rights, unions and so on. That you say that is laughable. Jesus christ...

Right - cause that is what the American people want. MOAR harpy social justice warrior screeching from the Democrat party. Didn't Obama and the SJW crowd lose over 1,000 elected seats under Obama's watch? Didn't the Republicans get their biggest majorities in nearly 100 years under Obama's watch?

I wouldn't mistake America's acceptance of gay marriage to the other extreme where they are cool with Christian photographers and cake bakers being sued and losing their businesses because they don't want to participate in hay weddings. Let alone the scientific ignorance being pushed by Democrats that gender is fluid.

With the exception of crazy California, the Democrats have been wiped out from top to bottom since the Democrat party went full SJW retard.

Never go full SJW retard.

edvard says

That comment right there is precisely why the GOP is likely doomed.

Have you not been paying attention the past 8 years? The Democrats used to own 1,000 more elected seats than they do today. If the GOP was dead, then Obama revived the party and killed his own party.

"Right - cause that is what the American people want. MOAR harpy social justice warrior screeching from the Democrat party. Didn't Obama and the SJW crowd lose over 1,000 elected seats under Obama's watch? Didn't the Republicans get their biggest majorities in nearly 100 years under Obama's watch?
I wouldn't mistake America's acceptance of gay marriage to the other extreme where they are cool with Christian photographers and cake bakers being sued and losing their businesses because they don't want to participate in hay weddings. Let alone the scientific ignorance being pushed by Democrats that gender is fluid.
With the exception of crazy California, the Democrats have been wiped out from top to bottom since the Democrat party went full SJW retard. "

Ahhh so much bullshit in yet another useless rant.

You guys do realize that ever since the election that the GOP has been losing elections like mad, even in some very red states, right? You do also realize that even in some of the most cherry-red parts of the country where the GOP didn't even worry about are now becoming hotly contested where they've never been before? Either way you slice it this is unprecedented and shows just how unpopular Trump really is.

"I wouldn't mistake America's acceptance of gay marriage to the other extreme where they are cool with Christian photographers and cake bakers being sued and losing their businesses because they don't want to participate in hay weddings. Let alone the scientific ignorance being pushed by Democrats that gender is fluid."

Hooray for you for drawing a conclusion on two very unrelated things.

"With the exception of crazy California, the Democrats have been wiped out from top to bottom since the Democrat party went full SJW retard. "

Nope. Like I said, things haven't been going well for the poor ole' GOP since the election and we are indeed likely looking at a severe reversal come November. But hey- be my guest- think otherwise. Makes it so much easier for the rest of us to go to the polls and do our jobs.

"Have you not been paying attention the past 8 years? The Democrats used to own 1,000 more elected seats than they do today. If the GOP was dead, then Obama revived the party and killed his own party."

You are being shortsighted. Perhaps I should've been more clear. So we all know about the baby boomers and how their sheer numbers affected the general direction of the country in terms of culture, business and politics? Well guess what... the millennial and post millennial generations are by far the largest demographic the country has ever seen and furthermore, about 90% of them identify as being leftist, and actually even more leftist than me. They are all coming of voting age and will be the overwhelming demographic calling the shots.

So far the GOP has ignored this and continued right along with Nixon's southern strategy. They resemble the Democratic party of the 1960's where the New Deal had outlived its usefulness. The GOP has been using that same strategy for almost 45 years. It has outlived its usefulness and is wildly unpopular with the aforementioned millennial/post millennial generations.

The net-net? The GOP, if they do not change, stand to experience outstanding, staggering losses. Maybe not at these midterms, but within the next few years. If history repeats itself we can expect an overall shift of the country back towards a populist leftist movement akin to the new deal and retain that for perhaps decades to come. Its happened before and will likely happen again.

There are some stupid states like IL, where the dems fool the voters though.

edvard says

about 90% of them identify as being leftist

https://i1.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/gs_20161121_youth-party-id.jpg?fit=400%2C9999px&ssl=1

edvard says

pretty much ALL of the post millennial generation leans very heavily to the left... as in FDR new deal left

Nationalism, infrastructure spending, trade protectionism, labor protections, and a focus on the economy would aptly characterize FDR’s Presidency. Sound familiar? Those are all things the Left decries daily about Trump!
Meanwhile, the Left wants MOAR TAXES, institutional hate for white males, locking up people who might have and use a penis, and a tranny in every bathroom.
The only millennial buying that platform are either stupid or pandering to the friends who are stupid.

The New Republican Party under Trump is a lot like the Old Democrat party... minus all the racism and Jim Crow.

edvard says

You guys do realize that ever since the election that the GOP has been losing elections like mad

Hey, winning five out of six special elections isn’t that great... for the Democrats! Mostly because five Republicans got elected and only one of their own.

Quigley says

Nationalism, infrastructure spending, trade protectionism, labor protections, and a focus on the economy would aptly characterize FDR’s Presidency. Sound familiar? Those are all things the Left decries daily about Trump!

Trump as FDR?

Infrastructure spending: FDR started WPA, which hired millions. That was something that Obama should have done. It's totally not needed now, since we are on the longest reduction in unemployment in history (most of which happened under Obama). Anyway, Trump hasn't done anything of the sort, and the only infrastructure spending has been plans to privatize things.
Nationalism: FDR brought us into WW2 and oversaw most of the victory that would lead us into a position of strength in the world. We have used relationships since then to keep us out of another big war, using a world order Trump calls globalism. Trump is tearing down that world order.
Focus on the economy? All presidents focus on the economy. If Trump achieved what Obama achieved, his supporters would be bragging on it all day long. Obama brought unemployment from around 10% down to 4.7% or so. Trump has taken it from 4.7% to 4.1%. Yet, Trump supporters say Obama sucked, and Trump is great. Lowest unemployment in years!!!!!!!!

drB6 says

https://i1.wp.com/www.brookings.edu/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/gs_20161121_youth-party-id.jpg?fit=400%2C9999px&ssl=1

This is as crystal clear as it gets.



There will be no blue wave.

FNWGMOBDVZXDNW says

Obama brought unemployment from around 10% down to 4.7% or so.

I thought that was due to the Republican Congress under Obama?

The Leftist argument here is more about personal attacks and what they think most Americans want, versus the positive change being implemented. Who wouldn't want a stronger defense and border, lower taxes, less waste and welfare, stronger foreign policy, etc.? Isn't that what Trump is trying to do?

This is exactly what's wrong with the Left. They're so triggered about losing the election, that it blinds them from seeing what policies are actually getting implemented and the good that it's having on the country. It's really pathetic and very beta in nature.

"I can't wait until the Right loses and someone Left gets in office. Then we can really make ourselves weaker and bigger pussies, but then maybe everyone around the world will like us." You all are more worried about being liked, not being called racist, not being labeled greedy, etc., versus doing the right thing. You're probably the parent that gives their child whatever they want so that they won't hate you. Grow some balls.

The Democrats/Left have no message. I repeat, they have zero policy prescriptions to fix the country. Ever since November 2016, their entire platform is "obstruct Trump".

They ditched Dreamers, they ditched the working class, they ditched blacks. Everything has been Russia, Stormy Daniels. No one gives a shit about that. People care about paying their mortgage, having a job to do so, and having more money on their paycheck at the end of the month.

I don't give two shits about who pees where, or who marries who, or what color someone's skin is. I want my gay mexican friend to to have the right to get married, smoke weed, and to be able to protect his black atheist husband with an AR15.

Democrats are the same old socialist who eventually become communist that we've always known, and were responsible for 100,000,000 deaths in the 20th century. Fuck em.

Amen, Goran. I blame politicians and the media for corrupting the Left's minds so much and twisting their thought process and playing with their emotions. The media does it to the Right too, and I hate it when they do, but the Left is 1000x worse.

"There will be no blue wave."

So you picked a single url? How about a url that shows ALL of the polls together?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

You see, that is a chart which includes all existing polls and polling data. The trend has been un-changed more or less for over a year and the GOP has lagged behind an average of 5-6 points, which statistically is huge. But by all means- keep believing in what you want to. Maybe since you're so confident maybe just stay home.

"The Democrats/Left have no message. I repeat, they have zero policy prescriptions to fix the country. Ever since November 2016, their entire platform is "obstruct Trump".
They ditched Dreamers, they ditched the working class, they ditched blacks. Everything has been Russia, Stormy Daniels. No one gives a shit about that. People care about paying their mortgage, having a job to do so, and having more money on their paycheck at the end of the month. "

Most of what you said was pretty much horse shit. I'm sorry but the GOP is the party that ran on a racist platform, chose a nasty lil' nest of racist, xenophobic dipshits to run, and after Trump won, he chose to fill his cabinet with folks who constantly get themselves into trouble on ethics. That members of his admin like the head of the EPA, the public education system and the FCC are ALL incredibly unpopular, and are in the news constantly where such folks were never placed in the limelight before shows that nope- the GOP doesn't give one rat's ass about anyone other than themselves and their corporate backers.

And you seem to think that the DNC being against Trump isn't much of a platform? When the president actively seeks to ruin the country on a daily basis it is indeed a very valid platform-albeit a temporary one - but more or less a platform built for the national emergency we now exist in with this joke of a president.

Feux Follets says

Why does your "friend" have to have an identifying label ? Why can't he just be your friend ?

Ask the Democrats. Everything in their platform is a label or "identity". I think it's obvious (for some) that I'm trying to point out that labels don't matter.

Feux Follets says

God damn FDR...damn that man

Exactly. Putting Americans in concentration camps. What a total fag. Fuck that crippled dead asshole.

edvard says

And you seem to think that the DNC being against Trump isn't much of a platform? When the president actively seeks to ruin the country on a daily basis it is indeed a very valid platform-albeit a temporary one - but more or less a platform built for the national emergency we now exist in with this joke of a president.

Ruin it for WHO?

Who is suffering right now besides snowflake lefty assholes who don't understand how an election works?

Feux Follets says

When did those last two parts occur ?

Read some history Feux. In the 30s and 40s, Democrats were the party of segregation, the KKK, and Jim Crow. Blacks began to hold their nose and vote Democrat due only to FDR’s social policies which included social safety nets. It wasn’t until the Republican majority pushed through the Civil Rights Act that Democrats decided to pivot, capitalize on the black vote, and win some elections.

edvard says

When the president actively seeks to ruin the country on a daily basis it is indeed a very valid platform-albeit a temporary one - but more or less a platform built for the national emergency we now exist in with this joke of a president.

Huh. Wanna give some examples we can either validate or pick apart?
Wasn’t this the exact same thing some people said about Obama?
Memory isn’t your thing, huh?

edvard says

So you picked a single url? How about a url that shows ALL of the polls together?
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/congress-generic-ballot-polls/?ex_cid=rrpromo

You see, that is a chart which includes all existing polls and polling data. The trend has been un-changed more or less for over a year and the GOP has lagged behind an average of 5-6 points, which statistically is huge. But by all means- keep believing in what you want to. Maybe since you're so confident maybe just stay home.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/

edvard says

I'm sorry but the GOP is the party that ran on a racist platform, chose a nasty lil' nest of racist, xenophobic dipshits to run, and after Trump won, he chose to fill his cabinet with folks who constantly get themselves into trouble on ethics. That members of his admin like the head of the EPA, the public education system and the FCC are ALL incredibly unpopular, and are in the news constantly where such folks were never placed in the limelight before shows that nope- the GOP doesn't give one rat's ass about anyone other than themselves and their corporate backers.

Wow, you just proved our point. The GOP ran on a racist platform lol? You have no link to reality except for what you hear from Van Jones.

"Wow, you just proved our point. The GOP ran on a racist platform lol? You have no link to reality except for what you hear from Van Jones."

You guys seem to enjoy behaving like most right wing nutters I've run into who are either genuinely dumb or play dumb when it comes to super obvious shit, like things Trump has literally and unquestionably done.

The very FIRST thing Trump did, on day one was to go on a big rant against Hispanics. You remember now? Where he called them drug dealers, rapists and whatnot? Yeah- sounds pretty racist to me, right?

Oh- and what about then having Steve Bannon run his campaign- a guy who has repeatedly gloated and bragged about the alt-right and is the favorite darling of various right wing hate groups?

And speaking of Bannon... remember when first he and then Trump decided they would support that mollestor down in Alabama?
Or what about when Trump sort of suggested that Nazis in that rally in NC were decent people?

Shall I go on or have I made the obvious facts you choose to ignore so glaringly clear?


And what about

Feux Follets says

It's the Democrat's fault someone chooses to use "unique identifiers" when talking about someone else who supposedly is their "friend" ?

Yes, that is exactly the point! Glad you got it.