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curious2 says

JoeyJoeJoeJr/Tatupu70/LeonDurham/etc, you are mistaken on all counts.

Nope--the card IDs here as a member of the association. It is absolutely an ID. She actually used it to open up a gate proving that it was valid.

LeonDurham says

the card IDs here as a member of the association.

False, again. The key card does not identify her at all. It could have been lost or stolen or borrowed, or shared via AirBnB, for example.

curious2 says

False, again. The key card does not identify her at all. It could have been lost or stolen or borrowed, or shared via AirBnB, for example.

No, it's true. The card IDs her as a member of the association. That's why they give it to her.

Anything could be stolen--what's to stop someone from stealing a DL and gluing their picture over the original ala Richard Kimble in the Fugitive. If that's the criteria, then nothing qualifies as an ID.

LeonDurham says

curious2 says

False, again. The key card does not identify her at all. It could have been lost or stolen or borrowed, or shared via AirBnB, for example.

No, it's true. The card IDs her as a member of the association. That's why they give it to her.

Anything could be stolen--what's to stop someone from stealing a DL and gluing their picture over the original ala Richard Kimble in the Fugitive. If that's the criteria, then nothing qualifies as an ID.

Nice reductio ad absurdum.

Hassan_Rouhani says

ad absurdum.

It is absurd, but merely trolling, not nice. In the decades since the fictional movie "Fugitive" was made, driver's licenses have become more secure and police vehicle computers can commonly show a photo of the actual licensee. In the actual matter at hand, the access card had neither a photo nor even a name, so it was not ID of any kind. That is why the board chair said he would like to see ID.

LeonDurham says

Nope--the card IDs here as a member of the association. It is absolutely an ID. She actually used it to open up a gate proving that it was valid.

Nope. She proved her residency AFTER the inquiry. During the inquiry, she had nothing but a plain key card with no identifying information.

People give relatives and friends keys all the time to "use the pool", however it is for residents and if guests are allowed, they must be with residents.

It's a big problem in some housing developments.

Hassan_Rouhani says

Nice reductio ad absurdum.

Yep--it was you and curious that started down this rathole.

Association pools always use the association ID.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Nope. She proved her residency AFTER the inquiry

No she proved residency with her association ID. During the inquiry.

curious2 says

In the actual matter at hand, the access card had neither a photo nor even a name, so it was not ID of any kind. That is why the board chair said he would like to see ID.

In order to enter the every association pool I've ever seen, you need to prove you are a resident by using the association ID card. Which she did.

LeonDurham says

No she proved residency with her association ID. During the inquiry.

Wrong - at the time she was initially questioned, she only showed her unmarked plain key card. LATER, after the police were called, she established her residency.

However, according to the OP article, the police dodged the issue as to whether she showed ID at all.

Anyone who is not a troll can actually see the plain key card in the video (2:50-3:00). It is a plain white card, about the size of a credit card but thicker, with a rounded rectangular hole near one end. Trolls feel that they "win" by making others respond. It's an attention thing.

LeonDurham/Tatupu70/JoeyJoeJoeJr, since you are obviously trolling again, I am going to stop wasting time responding to you.

Hmmm, she also gave an address to an area of the development that wasn't even built yet to one Board Member, then gave a different one to Bloom.

Probably another Paki with a big extended family partially on investment visas, shuffling things around to avoid tax.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

investment visas, shuffling things around to avoid tax.

She might be the Nigerian widow who sends all those emails.

Disgusting comments, both the disgusting announcement from the company (It's "Terrible" to ask for ID") and worse from the SJW fucks.

https://twitter.com/Sonoco_Products/status/1015237781319188481


Hard to boycott this company this it's mostly B to B.


By the way, we need a thread on Childish Gambino and his "Kill da Boer" dance, which is the gif a bit down in the comments.

curious2 says

She might be the Nigerian widow who sends all those emails.

Ah, my bad. I was thinking of the war criminal Paki Musharraf who lied about terrorists in Kargill, when it was Paki Army. Isn't that a war crime?

And I believe the Indian patrol sent to investigate were tortured to death by Paki Army Soldiers, also a war crime?

No prosecutions, but then again Pakistan murdered 500,000 in 1971 and never paid a dime or were taken to court.

EDIT: Sorry, please ignore this unintentional subject derailment.

LeonDurham says

In order to enter the every association pool I've ever seen, you need to prove you are a resident by using the association ID card. Which she did.

Source?

LeonDurham says

curious2 says

BTW, you never got around to answering 2Scoops in the Abhulimen thread, where you were caught lying about the key card, which anyone can see in the linked video in that thread.

Nope--no lies. I was (and still am) correct. Didn't feel the need to keep replying to the trolling over there. IDs aren't required to have pictures or addresses on them.

I just wanted to copy and paste this comment into this thread. A blank white card, with no picture or address, nor even a name, is plainly not ID, which is why the pool chairman said he would "still like to see some ID." The card is merely an electronic gate key. If someone obtains a key to your front gate, that does not mean they own your house, and it does not identify them as you. Maybe LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJr/Tatupu70's claim makes sense to someone who considers identities fungible and changes them at will, but it looks like lying and trolling to me.

curious2 says

I just wanted to copy and paste this comment into this thread. A blank white card, with no picture or address, nor even a name, is plainly not ID, which is why the pool chairman said he would "still like to see some ID." The card is merely an electronic gate key. If someone obtains a key to your front gate, that does not mean they own your house, and it does not identify them as you. Maybe LeonDurham/JoeyJoeJoeJr/Tatupu70's claim makes sense to someone who considers identities fungible and changes them at will, but it looks like lying and trolling to me.

Great--thanks for posting it here. Clearly the association deemed the white card as sufficient as that's all that's needed to enter the pool area.

As to your ridiculous analogy--nobody is talking about transferring ownership of anything. Why would anyone own someone's house?

The only trolling is from you good sir.

The big question is why is this national news? Last night ABC Evening news had a bit where a store clerk doubted the authenticity of a coupon an black woman wanted to use. Again, quite a small incident to take up a segment on national news. In both cases, the pool incident and the coupon affair, the people who dared question the card/coupon were fired from their jobs.

Seems to me that the reason for national attention being granted to these trivial incidences is a reaction to the "walk away" movement. Since the Black vote is critical to the Democrat party, the "walk away" movement must be countered by publicizing any incidents where a black person is challenged, and always attribute that challenge to racism.

HeadSet says

Last night ABC Evening news had a bit where a store clerk doubted the authenticity of a coupon an black woman wanted to use.

No, the story was about how he CALLED THE COPS on her.

Who cares? This is a needle in a haystack type scenario. There are far greater transgressions against minorities and this is the one that makes headlines? It's private property and they can have any rules they want within reason. This is one of the dumbest news stories I've heard in a while. Both parties are fucking idiots in my book and the fact this is getting any attention outside of maybe a local news broadcast is insane.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Scary Authoritarianism.

It's the modern day equivalent of Mao's Red Guards during the Cultural Revolution. Highly educated, fully qualified people regularly lost their jobs and in some cases their lives because they didn't toe a particular party line.

curious2 says

pool chairman

Sounds like one of those "jobs" they'd give kids in elementary school that really didn't carry any weight, kind of like cloak room monitor.

WookieMan says

Who cares? This is a needle in a haystack type scenario. There are far greater transgressions against minorities and this is the one that makes headlines?

No, others do too. This was just an egregious one that is emblematic of the problem.

The stentorian bellowing of the ostensible minority has become the new sacred cow. If your garden gets trampled, then fuck you.

Next, a codicil to the First Amendment including spray paint graffiti on public and private property as protected speech.

LeonDurham says

WookieMan says

Who cares? This is a needle in a haystack type scenario. There are far greater transgressions against minorities and this is the one that makes headlines?

No, others do too. This was just an egregious one that is emblematic of the problem.

Sure, label it egregious. But it's emblematic of what problem? Something that happens to a fraction of a percentage of our society? You cannot eliminate bigotry. It's going to happen. This isn't some utopia.

Sick of all these minor, fringe issues being made out like it's WW III. People need to get outside and do shit instead of harping over someone asking for a damn ID at a pool. This is so trivial it's nauseating. This wasn't some government police force walking down the street asking some Muslim for their ID. It was a fucking HOA for christ's sake. Just because one dude, in one HOA asks for an ID, doesn't mean there will be some domino effect where we jail all Muslims on site and ask for their ID. The theatrics around this type of shit is just stupid.

LeonDurham says

No, the story was about how he CALLED THE COPS on her.

As Wookie and Headset say, It's so trivial, it's a sign of how insane the Left has become looking to prove America is still full of lynchings.

Just look at the HOA Board Members asking for ID! Before you know it Jim Crow will be back.

WookieMan says

Sure, label it egregious. But it's emblematic of what problem? Something that happens to a fraction of a percentage of our society? You cannot eliminate bigotry.

So, give up and just let bigots be? That's your solution?

Like I said in the post that a moderator deleted for whatever reason--how come folks on here don't feel the same way about SJWs? It's a fraction of a percentage of our society. Yet, there are 40 threads per day on here about them.

Must stop free speech. Cannot let dissenting views be heard.

P N Dr Lo R says

curious2 says

pool chairman

Sounds like one of those "jobs" they'd give kids in elementary school that really didn't carry any weight, kind of like cloak room monitor.

According to his attorney, Bloom had responsibility for hiring pool staff (e.g. lifeguards, maintenance), and enforcing pool rules (including the residency/guest requirement). A community pool can require a lot of maintenance and supervision, especially if many children are using it.

LeonDurham says

Why would anyone own someone's house?

If you want a list of reasons to own a house, ask a Realtor (TM).

Abhulimen called the HOA pool "my own pool." How nice of her to allow others to use it all these years!

Aphroman says

When you stay at a hotel, you use the room key as identification

It isn't a hotel. At a hotel, the pool is generally on hotel grounds, and guests walk from their rooms to the pool. This story involves a HOA community pool, with a parking lot full of cars. People drive there. They need driver's licenses with them in order to drive there. If a police officer pulls you over and asks to see your license, and you have only a blank key card, that would be a moving violation in itself.

The issue that got my attention about this story was the witch hunt. A friend "shared" the video and I thought it could be seen a number of ways, and required more information to understand why it happened, and I didn't think anything further about it. Then I read the video had gone viral, and a social media campaign of SJW witch hunting had resulted in Bloom resigning from the HOA board and getting fired by his employer, a packaging company called Sonoco. The story went around the world. Huge numbers of people rushed to condemn Bloom, some of them without even watching the video, let alone asking for more information. They condemned anyone who defended him, too. There were death threats against his family, and terrible comments on social media as 2Scoops noted. People who said asking for ID was reasonable were told that they should die for believing that.

I did read further, and found an issue that none of Abhulimen's supporters here or on social media seems even to have bothered mentioning. Her lawyer wrote that other residents identified her as a resident, and asked the pool chairman not to call the police. When I saw that, I tried to update the OP to remove the statement that no one recognized her. PatNet seems to have a new "feature" that prevents editing after a certain time limit, so I could not update the OP. The two board members did not recognize her, but according to her lawyer, other residents did recognize her. That raises questions. If the board members recognized the other residents, why did the board members not believe them? If the board members did not recognize the other residents, why did Bloom not ask them for ID? I do not know the answers, but neither does anyone here, because we were not there.

The dangerous issue here is the rush to condemn for alleged "racial profiling," and the extent of the campaign, with huge numbers of SJW virtue signalers congratulating themselves and each other for successfully persecuting someone they had never met for an allegedly "terrible" incident that they did not even witness or know much about. I do not know if he was innocent or guilty, because I saw only the video and then read what I could, and it didn't add up to enough information to judge him. He said he asks people for ID two or three times per week, and his lawyer says the same, and from what I could see on social media other neighbors (regardless of color) had also resented being asked for ID. If the guy annoys everyone equally by asking them for ID regardless of color, that isn't racial profiling. But when a white guy asks a black woman for ID, legions rush to burn him at the stake. A PatNet user called it "a classic case of racial profiling." That's plainly false. A classic case of racial profiling would require evidence, not merely an assumption based on the fact he's white and she's black. In fact, the presumption of guilt could itself be called racial profiling: ask yourself, if he had been black, and she had been white, would people have called it racial profiling? Hardly anyone seems to have taken the time to ask for evidence before rushing to judgment, and in an era of social media, ignorant mob rule had serious consequences IRL.

LeonDurham says

Must stop free speech. Cannot let dissenting views be heard.

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

it's a sign of how insane the Left has become looking to prove America is still full of lynchings.

Yes, especially since TDS. Even after most of the phoned in threats against Jewish community centers turned out to have been phoned in by a Jewish teenager, and even after other incidents turned out to be false flag phonies, press continued to report that there had been record numbers of anti-semitic incidents. That's all part of the 'nuclear Hitler' narrative, fake news trying to paint a grandfather with Jewish grandchildren as the reincarnation of Hitler, who had no children.

Worse, that baseless mob mentality seems to have taken over the Democratic party, resulting in one party (Republican) rule. Democrats have collectively lost the ability to have a rational discussion based on evidence and reason, which is ironic, because they used to be "the reality based community."

In a fevered mob climate, saying people should look for evidence seems like heresy. Many would rather chop off their own heads, or import terrorists to do that for them, to signal their virtue. They cherish a fantasy, in which they are crusading for goodness and anyone who disagrees is evil; in fact, their actions are self-defeating.

LeonDurham says

So, give up and just let bigots be? That's your solution?

Didn't say that was my solution. There are some unsolvable things in the universe. You can't fix broken people and if you think you can then you wouldn't be here on patnet.

There is always going to be bigots, racist, etc. I'm not saying stop trying to prevent this behavior, BUT it is always going to be there. I'm not saying don't acknowledge it and try to prevent, but in this case it seems like pure childish bullshit. I assume this person has never bought alcohol and was then asked for an ID? It's very commonplace in our society to be asked for an ID whether it's an HOA, grocery store, private property or whatever. This whole news story reeks of someone being a little cunt and wanting attention. Well they got it I guess.

WookieMan says

Who cares? This is a needle in a haystack type scenario. There are far greater transgressions against minorities and this is the one that makes headlines?

This is the NEW platform of the Democrat party. Take the smallest, most obscure issue (the needles), and make it case of national outrage, versus worrying about the BIG issues (the haystacks).

It's all they have left.....

RafiMaas says

Unfortunately the pool rules didn't state that 1 must prove their residence. She did have a working key card what more did she need? Maybe ID Adam shouldn't have bothered to involve the police in such a trivial matter?

Trivial is the key word here. The fact this is even national news and that even on patnet, we have 40+ comments, is mind boggling. This is one of the dumbest faux outrage situations I've read/heard about in a while. Fuck the pool boy and fuck that bitch for even caring. People need to get out and start doing shit instead of constantly trying to find microscopic problems. They both could be dead and we'd probably be better off at this point.

curious2 says

This story involves a HOA community pool, with a parking lot full of cars. People drive there.

SOME people drive there. It is not required to drive there, nor is it required to carry a drivers license if one walks there. And I can assure you that many people walk to association pools.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

I know, I know.. We must devote 40 threads/day to SJWs, but ignore racists even though both are a very small percentage of the population.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Turd Worldism and SJW attitudes ARE the establishment, promulgated as holy Truth from your local State University to the State Department to Google.

You're not the moral revolutionary vanguard, you're the Old Guard.

As a moderator, you're part of the Trump World Order that stifles free speech then, I guess.

curious2 says

Yes, especially since TDS. Even after most of the phoned in threats against Jewish community centers turned out to have been phoned in by a Jewish teenager, and even after other incidents turned out to be false flag phonies, press continued to report that there had been record numbers of anti-semitic incidents. That's all part of the 'nuclear Hitler' narrative, fake news trying to paint a grandfather with Jewish grandchildren as the reincarnation of Hitler, who had no children.

Yup. Same shit with all the threats by "White Racists". Most turned out to be hoaxes by Black SJWs.

LeonDurham says

As a moderator, you're part of the Trump World Order that stifles free speech then, I guess.

I approved all your comments so I don't know what you're complaining about.

LeonDurham says

I know, I know.. We must devote 40 threads/day to SJWs, but ignore racists even though both are a very small percentage of the population.

SJWs are racists, hence "Whiteness Studies". They don't teach universal human nature, but that there's something particularly oppressive about Europeans but not about Non-Europeans.

Such as ignoring the Mughals were more exploitative of Hindu India than the British, or the ritualized terrorism of the Triple Alliance that was part of daily life.