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Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 27, 5:44pm
Heraclitusstudent
2018 Jul 27, 5:44pm
CBOEtrader says
It's kind of obvious that there are always violent small groups on all sides.
This doesn't prove your contention that the entire left half of the country is like this.
So if you want to show it to us, go ahead.
It will take more than a cherry picked anecdote.
"There is no doubt a fringe of the Nazi movement is becoming intolerant and some violent towards Jews.
It's kind of obvious that there are always violent small groups on all sides.
This doesn't prove your contention that the entire left half of the country is like this.
So if you want to show it to us, go ahead.
It will take more than a cherry picked anecdote.
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HowdyThere
2018 Jul 27, 6:03pm
Heraclitusstudent says
It's not any more likely that you're going to over ride his right wing programming than convince an antifa member that whites are just swell. He hates leftoids; he'll need a lot more than exchanges on a forum to convince him that not everyone who isn't part of his Team isn't evil. The Russians must be laughing at what a great job the Democratic and Republican parties are doing dividing the country with their messaging.
This doesn't prove your contention that the entire left half of the country is like this.
It's not any more likely that you're going to over ride his right wing programming than convince an antifa member that whites are just swell. He hates leftoids; he'll need a lot more than exchanges on a forum to convince him that not everyone who isn't part of his Team isn't evil. The Russians must be laughing at what a great job the Democratic and Republican parties are doing dividing the country with their messaging.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:09pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:09pm
Heraclitusstudent says
I never said the entire left is anything other than too wimpy to stand up to these violent extremists.
As Jordan Peterson points out. The right is far better at drawing a box around the group identarians and openly rejecting them. The left however, is not as good at identifying and suppressing it's own extremists. Therefore you get fawning news media, supportive social media idiots, and otherwise logical thinkers like yourselves justifying their violence.
^^ this is deadly, and will remain so until the left is willing to stand up to these idiots.
This doesn't prove your contention that the entire left half of the country is like this.
I never said the entire left is anything other than too wimpy to stand up to these violent extremists.
As Jordan Peterson points out. The right is far better at drawing a box around the group identarians and openly rejecting them. The left however, is not as good at identifying and suppressing it's own extremists. Therefore you get fawning news media, supportive social media idiots, and otherwise logical thinkers like yourselves justifying their violence.
^^ this is deadly, and will remain so until the left is willing to stand up to these idiots.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:12pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:12pm
HowdyThere says
I've never voted for a Republican other than Ron Paul. Your need to clarify me as right-wing is part of this deadly brainwashing righteousness currently infecting the left.
Righteous brainwashing is deadly. Todays left is awash in it.
right wing programming
I've never voted for a Republican other than Ron Paul. Your need to clarify me as right-wing is part of this deadly brainwashing righteousness currently infecting the left.
Righteous brainwashing is deadly. Todays left is awash in it.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:29pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 6:29pm
Heraclitusstudent saysbr>
You consider a pro-western culture group with Jewish, black, latino, and gay members to be nazis? This is exactly the problem. Either you believe the lies or simply dont look behind the curtain. Either way, this is exactly the problem.
So you can find a group of nazis reps and that proves republicans are all nazis.
You consider a pro-western culture group with Jewish, black, latino, and gay members to be nazis? This is exactly the problem. Either you believe the lies or simply dont look behind the curtain. Either way, this is exactly the problem.
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HowdyThere
2018 Jul 27, 6:58pm
CBOEtrader says
Ummm, both parties can make that claim. They both have voters of various backgrounds. And if pro-Western means in the pocket of big business, then both parties fit that description as well. You need to look behind both curtains.
You consider a pro-western culture group with Jewish, black, latino, and gay members to be nazis?
Ummm, both parties can make that claim. They both have voters of various backgrounds. And if pro-Western means in the pocket of big business, then both parties fit that description as well. You need to look behind both curtains.
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EBGuy
2018 Jul 27, 7:03pm
Quillette has a good article about this incident. Can you imagine someone storming into your establishment and telling you that you're hosting a group of neo-Nazis. Imagine your confusion when you look over at a diverse group of people -- "Why do they have black guys and Mexican guys with them". (Yes, that magic moment is captured on video).
Putting aside all the other unsettling elements of this episode, it shows how reflexively (and often baselessly) terms such as ‘Nazi’ and ‘white supremacy’ get thrown around. The leadership of the L.A. chapter of Proud Boys is headed by an Asian president and a queer V.P. (they asked that they not be named). Several of the Proud Boys in attendance that night included men of color. Edwin Arthur, a 44 year-old black Proud Boy who was at The Griffin tells me he was shocked to see white protesters calling him a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer.
Putting aside all the other unsettling elements of this episode, it shows how reflexively (and often baselessly) terms such as ‘Nazi’ and ‘white supremacy’ get thrown around. The leadership of the L.A. chapter of Proud Boys is headed by an Asian president and a queer V.P. (they asked that they not be named). Several of the Proud Boys in attendance that night included men of color. Edwin Arthur, a 44 year-old black Proud Boy who was at The Griffin tells me he was shocked to see white protesters calling him a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:34pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:34pm
HowdyThere says
Please use more specific language. No clue who you are talking about.
The Proud boys are a diverse pro western group. There is nothing wrong w that whatsoever.
HowdyThere says
You consider individual liberty to be an exclusively Republican message? That's a serious indictment of the Dems.
Ummm, both parties can make that claim.
Please use more specific language. No clue who you are talking about.
The Proud boys are a diverse pro western group. There is nothing wrong w that whatsoever.
HowdyThere says
swallowing the Republican messaging
You consider individual liberty to be an exclusively Republican message? That's a serious indictment of the Dems.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:35pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:35pm
EBGuy says
A precise, well written summary. I'm saving this and using it if you dont mind
Quillette has a good article about this incident. Can you imagine someone storming into your establishment and telling you that you're hosting a group of neo-Nazis. Imagine your confusion when you look over at a diverse group of people -- "Why do they have black guys and Mexican guys with them". (Yes, that magic moment is captured on video).
Putting aside all the other unsettling elements of this episode, it shows how reflexively (and often baselessly) terms such as ‘Nazi’ and ‘white supremacy’ get thrown around. The leadership of the L.A. chapter of Proud Boys is headed by an Asian president and a queer V.P. (they asked that they not be named). Several of the Proud Boys in attendance that night included men of color. Edwin Arthur, a 44 year-old black Proud Boy who was at The Griffin tells me he was shocked to see white protesters calling him a white supremacist and Nazi sympathizer.
A precise, well written summary. I'm saving this and using it if you dont mind
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:48pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 7:48pm
"The radical ( nonsensical) left have become everything that they claim to be fighting against, and they really couldn’t care less about the collateral damage they cause to innocent peripheral entities. They actually seem to revel in the harm that they inflict.
The thought of these abhorrent people gaining any measure of meaningful institutional power should strike fear into the heart of any rational and right thinking individual." -quote from comments in EBguy's article above
The thought of these abhorrent people gaining any measure of meaningful institutional power should strike fear into the heart of any rational and right thinking individual." -quote from comments in EBguy's article above
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HowdyThere
2018 Jul 27, 7:59pm
CBOEtrader says
Here's some progress. Can you admit that the radical left and the left are not the same thing? That the average person on the left isn't exited about collateral damage and revels in harm. If so, maybe you're not a lost cause.
"The radical ( nonsensical) left have become everything that they claim to be fighting against, and they really couldn’t care less about the collateral damage they cause to innocent peripheral entities. They actually seem to revel in the harm that they inflict.
Here's some progress. Can you admit that the radical left and the left are not the same thing? That the average person on the left isn't exited about collateral damage and revels in harm. If so, maybe you're not a lost cause.
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HowdyThere
2018 Jul 27, 8:02pm
CBOEtrader says
I'd say my post was challenging your belief system, not attacking you personally. But if you need to censor it, I'll leave you to your safe space.
Howdy, try again without the personal BS.
I'd say my post was challenging your belief system, not attacking you personally. But if you need to censor it, I'll leave you to your safe space.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 8:38pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 8:38pm
HowdyThere says
Of course. However far too many on the left support the Red Hen or Maxine Waters crying out to harrass the wrongthinkers. Rather, the non-extremist left should be publicly separating themselves from these idiots.
Also, for some reason today's left is lacking in support of traditional liberal value of individual freedoms. Look no further than left leaning libertarians like Dave Ruben, or Jonathan Haidt, or even Jordan Peterson. All of whom are for individual freedom, and are called nazis because they critique the main stream lefts obsession w identity politics.
Tbc, anyone on the left who supports traditional liberal values is A-OK w me.
Can you admit that the radical left and the left are not the same thing? That the average person on the left isn't exited about collateral damage and revels in harm.
Of course. However far too many on the left support the Red Hen or Maxine Waters crying out to harrass the wrongthinkers. Rather, the non-extremist left should be publicly separating themselves from these idiots.
Also, for some reason today's left is lacking in support of traditional liberal value of individual freedoms. Look no further than left leaning libertarians like Dave Ruben, or Jonathan Haidt, or even Jordan Peterson. All of whom are for individual freedom, and are called nazis because they critique the main stream lefts obsession w identity politics.
Tbc, anyone on the left who supports traditional liberal values is A-OK w me.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 9:05pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 27, 9:05pm
MrMagic says
The thing is, Obama took some disastrous social steps such as advising colleges to use title 9 for sexual harassment kangaroo courts and telling admins to use racial preference. However, he was NEVER as into identity politics as today's left. Their need to #resist has driven them to a new level of crazy.
"“Democracy demands that we're able also to get inside the reality of people who are different than us so we can understand their point of view,” he said. “Maybe we can change their minds, but maybe they'll change ours. And you can't do this if you just out of hand disregard what your opponents have to say from the start. And you can't do it if you insist that those who aren't like you — because they are white, or because they are male — that somehow there’s no way they can understand what I'm feeling, that somehow they lack standing to speak on certain matters."
*“I detest racialism,” Obama quoted Mandela as saying, “whether it comes from a black man or a white man.” "*
CBOEtrader saysProof the left are nazis!
The thing is, Obama took some disastrous social steps such as advising colleges to use title 9 for sexual harassment kangaroo courts and telling admins to use racial preference. However, he was NEVER as into identity politics as today's left. Their need to #resist has driven them to a new level of crazy.
"“Democracy demands that we're able also to get inside the reality of people who are different than us so we can understand their point of view,” he said. “Maybe we can change their minds, but maybe they'll change ours. And you can't do this if you just out of hand disregard what your opponents have to say from the start. And you can't do it if you insist that those who aren't like you — because they are white, or because they are male — that somehow there’s no way they can understand what I'm feeling, that somehow they lack standing to speak on certain matters."
*“I detest racialism,” Obama quoted Mandela as saying, “whether it comes from a black man or a white man.” "*
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mell
2018 Jul 28, 7:50am
CBOEtrader says
I can lend you mine ;) Haven't worn it forever, you need to prepare like a military drill for it when wearing it in the SF bay area - watch out for flying feces!
Anyone know where I can get a #MAGA hat?
I can lend you mine ;) Haven't worn it forever, you need to prepare like a military drill for it when wearing it in the SF bay area - watch out for flying feces!
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mell
2018 Jul 28, 7:56am
What a stupid soyboy fuck Androsky is. The overinflated use of the word Nazi clearly shows his utter stupidity and ignorance, and sadly that of many on the left. It is a slap in the face and mockery of people whose ancestors suffered under the actual Nazis. Sad.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 28, 8:42am
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 28, 8:42am
mell says
Cant find it since he blocked me :) but he tweeted that the proud boys and other alt-right groups are worse people than MS13, Crips and Bloods. ^^ a perfect summary of the insanity within these extremist antitrumpers (see that @howdy, I didnt say all the left or even all the anti trumpers. My criticism is about people like androski who call everyone a nazi. Valid criticisms of trump are welcome)
What a stupid soyboy fuck Androsky is.
Cant find it since he blocked me :) but he tweeted that the proud boys and other alt-right groups are worse people than MS13, Crips and Bloods. ^^ a perfect summary of the insanity within these extremist antitrumpers (see that @howdy, I didnt say all the left or even all the anti trumpers. My criticism is about people like androski who call everyone a nazi. Valid criticisms of trump are welcome)
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Shaman
2018 Jul 28, 12:26pm
Shaman
2018 Jul 28, 12:26pm
mell says
A real Nazi would scare the shit outta those pansy fucks!
It is a slap in the face and mockery of people whose ancestors suffered under the actual Nazis
A real Nazi would scare the shit outta those pansy fucks!
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Shaman
2018 Jul 28, 12:27pm
Shaman
2018 Jul 28, 12:27pm
CBOEtrader says
And just like that, Obama became alt right.
I detest racialism,” Obama quoted Mandela as saying, “whether it comes from a black man or a white man.” "*
And just like that, Obama became alt right.
“The Proud Boys say they’re not Nazis, and duh, they’re not from 1945, they’re not 100 years old,” Androsky said. “But in America, there’s a fun little thing which is a catch-all term for right-wing racist hate groups, and it’s Nazi.” Its "a fun little thing" to call all right-wing groups Nazis. AND since we call them Nazi's, clearly violence is acceptable.
“The 1st Amendment protects the right to peaceably assemble,” Androsky said. “There’s no such thing as a peaceable assembly of Nazis. Just by virtue of their ideology, they are causing harm.” Obviously, if these nazis are being peaceful, it is all just a ruse, so lets go attack them before they attack someone else, AMIRITE?! I mean, these guys "say they’re against political correctness and racial guilt, among other things." What Nazis!
We better not let them engage in any normal activity. It is our duty to violently attack them before they implement their Nazi agenda. "Their first goal was to talk with the bar’s staff and ask them to escort the Proud Boys out. That didn’t happen, Androsky said. Instead, he said, one of the bar staffers, after being told racists were meeting in the bar, responded: “The only color I see is green.” Any bouncer who refuses to attack a Nazi's freedom is also a Nazi.
Thats when it happened..."Androsky said he noticed that the Proud Boys were beginning to circle around a few patrons celebrating a birthday. He became concerned that they were going to start a fight with the group, which included a few people of color." Obviously this multicultural, multi-ethnic, multi-sexual oriented group could only have one reason for standing near *a few people of color."
“Hey, take off your dumb hats,” says Androski before stealing one of their hats. Then, deciding to attack a Nazi, "Madison McCabe, 28, a member of the Democratic Socialists of America L.A. group... placing her hand on his chest to stop him."
...and it just devolved from there into a fight wherein the proudboys could have crushed all their skulls in, but rather chose to defend themselves w minimal violence.
The amazing thing to me is the undeniability of the left's righteousness and justification for violence...and YET somehow this guy is BRAGGING about this to media sources, and the bar is even APOLOGIZING for allowing in the proud boys. Androski and any other righteous socialist prick behaving this way should be in prison. The fact that the left is defending this guy is absolutely terrifying.
Good bye individual rights in liberal areas. Anyone know where I can get a #MAGA hat? I feel like taking a walk through downtown Austin.