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marcus says

of leaders with hateful rhetoric, that actually used hate to gain power. Trump is the strongest example of this in the U.S. in my lifetime.

Can you give us an example of hateful rhetoric Trump used? Actual hateful words, not just unkind or insensitive words, not just coarse words of unvarnished truth, but actually hateful words and phrases intended to encourage people to hate groups of people? You know, something like Jeong of the NYT editorial board would say on her Twatter account.

I’ve been following him for two years now and I can’t give such an example.

I’m wondering what kind of fake news you’re watching that you feel (and I do mean feel) like Trump is just spreading hate.

marcus says

LYing and selling hate and fear was all I could see from Trump in his campaign.

I think I see the reason why.

CBOEtrader says

You still cant give a single example, AND that means those who require empirical evidence are in the wrong.

CBOEtrader says

Give me one example of Trump's hateful rhetoric.

Quigley says

Can you give us an example of hateful rhetoric Trump used?

You guys are expecting something that will NEVER happen. Marcus is so involved with his TDS, he will NEVER give an example, because he can't.

All he has is partisan Hyperbole, parroted from CNN...

The guiding principle of Democrats/Socialist/Communism, "You work, I eat."

That's why they suck. Everything else is a distraction.

MrMagic says

All he has is partisan Hyperbole, parroted from CNN...

Trump supporters: All americans deserve the same rights. Lets MAGA for all Americans!

Marcus: Thats racist, ITS TIME FOR A RACE WAR.

Trump supporters: Chill Marcus. Tell us why you so upset.

Marcus: If you dont agree with the violent mob, you are the problem.

Sigh... This is your moderate left folks.

Goran_K says

You have to give me examples of Trump (not third parties, not isolated individuals who Trump doesn't even know personally) actually selling hate. If it's there, I'll admit it, but I have looked extremely hard (remember I did NOT vote for Trump)

I didnt vote for trump either.

The left going this insane, may have me voting for a major party 2020 potus candidate for first time in my life. Always vote against the nazis.

FYI: you can always tell who the nazis are by their righteous justification for mob violence. Nazis dont "dog whistle".

marcus says

But if you can't acknowledge what I see in TRump, then maybe we are at the point of a civil war and race wars.

In all seriousness, very few here suffer from your level of TDS, and I mean this in all honesty. It's really difficult for anyone to see the same thing, who doesn't suffer from extreme hate of Trump, like you do. I'm being 100% honest here Marcus, you're at the point of needing major intervention and help. It's been over 18 months, and it hasn't tapered off at all.

How are you going to survive the next 2-1/2 years without going into a total meltdown?

I think it will end up being a civil war in the country, there is certainly a large group that is so totally over the top, that a civil war might be the only way to knock some sense into them.

It won't be pretty.

Progressives: trump supporters can't understand why we hate trump.

Also progressives: we refuse to point out examples why we hate Trump.

There has never been a mass brainwashing like what we see today. Frankly, its terrifying to watch millions of Americans behave like Nazis, righteously calling for violence against "dog whistle" wrongthink.

This has never in history ended well. Ever.

CBOEtrader says

You still cant give a single example

I could spend the rest of my life writing a book and I would anly be scratching the surface. I don't have time for your pleas of ignorance, as if that's an argument.

Are you going to deny that Steve Bannon and Briatbart reperent a wave of white nationionalism ?

Here, you can read someone elses efforts at putting together a halfway comprehensive list of race related examples. YOur response will likely be:

1) IT's from the NYT op ed piece, proving none of it can be factual, even if I read it and know all the facts cited to be factual.

or

2) "So ? What's wrong with that ? I agree with Trump with everything he says. It's the biggest reason I voted for him. But it's those minority folks that are the racists. Not those that agree with all these things he says. You want to claim that somehow Trump is the race baiter ? You want to claim that somehow inflaming race issues has something to do with why Trump won ?"

Yes. Yes I do.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/01/15/opinion/leonhardt-trump-racist.html

Sorry that was the wrong link. I fixed it.

marcus says

Yes. Yes I do.

You are literally talking to yourself now.

Pick an example out of your articles to discuss. I dont think you can. You literally are incapable of defending these criticisms of trump. Prove me wrong.

The forum is asking you to represent your perspective logically. Why are you refusing to try?

marcus says

Sorry that was the wrong link. I fixed it.

"Trump treated black employees at his casinos differently from whites, according to multiple sources."

Who are these sources? Why are they never identified? This makes the entire piece seem fake and gay.

Goran_K says

Who

Goran_K says

Why

He wont answer. He will do some handwaiving judgmental accusation of Breitbart influence, etc... this game only works when you cant discuss details, which he wont.

Sigh.

As disappointing as this is, @Marcus is still the most reasonable moderate leftist on this site. I am starting to agree there is no such thing as a rational leftist. Prove me wrong Marcus, please.

Anytime a news source says "according to sources", but never identifies the sources, it has nearly no value as a factual piece of news meant to be discussed.

Now if the article was meant as a "hit piece", then it makes sense to have some anonymous non-specific source.

Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....

ForcedTQ says

Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....

Conservative means nothing, afaik.

Liberal is the word we need to defend in that liberal values are individual rights. Liberal values are anti-collectivism by definition.

Therefore both the white supremecists (all 25 of them) and the millions of leftists who believe in intersectional oppression are anti-liberal in exactly the same identity politics type way.

As Jordan Peterson points out, it's more difficult for the leftists to see they have crossed into tyrannical ideology. ^^ This is why you are seeing Marcus and others defend the fascist left. They've been told the other side is evil so many times they think violence is justified. Unfortunately this is always how every worst episode in human history begins

marcus says

Yes. Yes I do.

You, and you alone can identify someone's private motivation when they cant identify it themselves?

Thats some omniscient shit. (One theory.)

-OR-

You are full of shit. (Reality.)

ForcedTQ says

Something I think we all should ponder is that Liberal does not equal: Democrat/Left/Progressive. The terms of description are not as tied together as we would like to think. No different for Conservative does not equal: Republican/Right/Static.....

Yeah that has been pointed out many times here. I keep repeating that the original liberal bourgeoisie was totally anti-left and is line with today's Libertarians and moderate Conservatives. Unfortunately we are stuck with inadequate labels but most leftists call themselves Liberal which they aren't.

Aphroman says

Who are the Democrats targeting as wrong thinkers?

Anyone who disagrees with them.

Look at the recent example w the proud boys in LA, or the massive twitter/FB/youtube censorship, or any number of the dozens of attacks on trump supporters.

marcus says

CBOE will say, "Give me an example." We've been watching a constant shit show 24/7 and he says give me an example.

So you have an example?

CBOEtrader says

As Jordan Peterson points out, it's more difficult for the leftists to see they have crossed into tyrannical ideology. ^^ This is why you are seeing Marcus and others defend the fascist left. They've been told the other side is evil so many times they think violence is justified. Unfortunately this is always how every worst episode in human history begins

And everytime, those pushing censorship and violence say "But you don't understand, this is really a high level threat dangerous to our Country." Every time.

FPBT says

April 2018
San Francisco, CA
A police officer was

Is that one of those silly email forwards or FB forwards that gullible people send each other? It reminds me of a guy who used to get those and use PatNet as his fact checkers, called everybody mutts, he was a big fan of Von Mises. It reminds me also of a thread about Muslim 'persecution' accusations that turned out to be complete hoaxes, I think 2scoops posted a whole bunch including the notorious NYC subway incident:

"Muslim college student made up Trump supporter subway attack story to avoid punishment for missing curfew"

Anyway, your copied and pasted SF accusation leaped out at me. You can't honestly consider SF 'right wing,' so that headline alone should have told you something was wrong. SFPD has gone out of its way to recruit Muslims, including the guy in your story. If you had bothered to check the facts, you would have found that he was fired by SFPD, and had previously been fired by OPD: "OPD would not disclose why but a source with knowledge of the dismissal says the officer was kicked out for quote "untruthfulness" in class assignments... [In addition,] Napa Police were so concerned after interviewing him, they issued the bulletin about their encounter to Bay Area law enforcement agencies." All of that was before SFPD hired him, which goes to show how desperate SFPD is to "diversify" including hiring Muslims.

I'm not going to bother wading through the whole pile of anonymous accusations that you copied and pasted as if true. Do your own fact checking instead of wasting others' time.

Farzad attempts to stab Republican Candidate Rudy Peters at Castro Valley Festival with a switchblade knife.

https://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Castro-Valley-festival-stab-attempted-rudy-peters-13221444.php

Death Threats,Rape Threats force Conservative into hiding after Anti-Abortion Piece

https://pjmedia.com/trending/threats-of-rape-and-strangling-force-d-c-mcallister-into-hiding-after-anti-abortion-tweet/

jazz_music says

curious2 says

Is that one of those silly email forwards or FB forwards that gullible people send each other?

Is that one of those silly subject changes because you got nothing again?

I had already replied to FPBT's comment, and created a thread about the disinformation site that he had relied upon.

Thank you.

All political violence comes from the left these day.

All of it.

Patrick says

marcus says

CBOE will say, "Give me an example." We've been watching a constant shit show 24/7 and he says give me an example.

So you have an example?

Nope. Still nope.

Patrick says

All political violence comes from the left these day.

Yeah, there was that guy that shoved someone at a protest. And lets not forget the glass of water someone through at a Fox news Trump supporter. (don't worry about whether it might have been staged for $one million in free PR).

CBOEtrader says

So you have an example?

Nope. Still nope.

You have to tell me what hour of what day.

marcus says

You have to tell me what hour of what day

This is what’s known as a cop out.
When you’re losing the argument so badly....

marcus says

Patrick says

All political violence comes from the left these day.

Yeah, there was that guy that shoved someone at a protest. And lets not forget the glass of water someone through at a Fox news Trump supporter. (don't worry about whether it might have been staged for $one million in free PR).

Amazing how actual oppression is irrelevant, but the racism of performance gaps OMG!!!!

marcus says

You have to tell me what hour of what day.

choose one and go with it. (you wont because you cant)

www.youtube.com/embed/TwfFytnMkSg

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/30/injured-trump-supporters-lawsuit-against

"Officers shepherded them into a violent crowd of protesters and actively prevented them from reaching safety. The Officers continued to implement this plan even while witnessing the violence firsthand, and even though they knew the mob had attacked Trump supporters"

Aphro's response: who cares.

Aphroman says

Meanwhile neo nazi right wingers are at political rallies running their cars into crowds of people, murdering people, a la ISIS

And Bernie Bros are gunning down Republican politicians at baseball games.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/ct-congressional-baseball-shooting-20170621-story.html

Or gay extremists shooting up the Family Research Council.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/19/justice/dc-family-research-council-shooting/index.html

Black Lives extremist kills 5 Dallas cops.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers

Aphroman justifies violence against Republicans. Sounds like left are very Nazi lately.

CBOEtrader says

https://reason.com/volokh/2018/07/30/injured-trump-supporters-lawsuit-against

"Officers shepherded them into a violent crowd of protesters and actively prevented them from reaching safety. The Officers continued to implement this plan even while witnessing the violence firsthand, and even though they knew the mob had attacked Trump supporters"

Aphro's response: who cares.

CBOEtrader says

choose one and go with it. (you wont because you cant)

Trump dishonesty is extremely well documented. THere are days in the recent past with more than 30 factually incorrect statements in a day.

This is a fact.

But like Trump, you evidently don't believe there are verifiable truths or facts in this world.

In my book, any respectable conservative or libertarian would fully acknowledge Trumps dishonesty. To deny it is being every bit as mendacious as he is.

marcus says

THere are days in the recent past with more than 30 factually incorrect statements in a day.

OK. Choose one of those 30.

Wapo's list is up to 5000 now. You've said it's all fiction and that none of those are real lies.

So we're kind of done with this.

History will show one of two to be FACT. Either:

A) All the reality based people are right, and Trump really does live in his own special fact free reality

or

B) Basically all the media is in some kind of giant conspiracy along with basically all honest and intelligent people, to claim that Trump lies constantly.

Look how brazen the fake news media is getting. Isn't it amazing ?

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/13/politics/donald-trump-truth-facts-lies/index.html

(note: humanity is so fucked, when you consider the degree to which people believe what they want to believe. Am I right ?)

If only there were such a thing as actual truth and real facts,...sigh.

marcus says

So we're kind of done with this.

You can't even name one lie you're willing to put out there?