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HEYYOU says

Love seeing Rep/Cons/Infowars Worshipers bitch & moan about great American UNREGULATED Free Market JOB CREATING corporations.

I love watching Net Neutrality Freaks celebrate a handful of Social Media Distributors banning a popular content creator on speech grounds.

Before, they were screaming bloody murder that Comcast might charge Facebook or it's users extra based on the unbelievably heavy traffic it creates.

If the Phone! Company! Doesn't Like Your Opinion! They Shouldn't! Have to! Provide you Service! PRIVATE COMPANY, you hypocritical Republicans!!!

Jenny's political opinions to be hateful and inappropriate. Sprint, Verizon, AT&T have all decided within the past few hours to block all access to or from 867 5309.

It doesn't matter how many people call her looking for a good time.

WE'RE! PRIVATE! COMPANIES!

Companies are private until government regulates them into monopolies. Then the public can rightfully demand they operate with neutrality.

Quigley says

Companies are private until government regulates them into monopolies. Then the public can rightfully demand they operate with neutrality.

As Monopolies. Facebook takes up a lot of the Social Media space.

Hurray for Public Utilities.

San Francisco Cultural Imperialism is a threat! ;)


Remember folks, free expression is a social and political value beyond just the #1A.

Update:

Youtube
Apple
Spotify
Facebook

Now:
Pintrest

1A and 2A are the biggest obstacles to a full Democrat Nation State. I don't even watch Alex Jones show.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Within Hours of each other, Infowars was banned from Apple, Spotify, and most pages taken down on Facebook.

Now Youtube has eliminated Infowars.

It's not a conspiracy... until they actually get you.

The establishment was used to control opinions through a handful of network TV.
They thought online media was great, free info was great, because we all know we're the good guys and we are right. Plus it would allow them to influence ideas in foreign countries.
But what they got was an onslaught of false, divisive, paranoiac, inflammatory, and ultra-partisan echo chambers, a fair amount of which comes straight out foreign propaganda apparatus.
Now the establishment will do the only thing it can: assert control over Facebook, Google and Apple.
No country can survive the information chaos served in the US right now.

Heraclitusstudent says

They thought online media was great, free info was great, because we all know we're the good guys and we are right. Plus it would allow them to influence ideas in foreign countries.

Same thing happened in Academia. Much of the 60s was spent on Academic Freedom. By the late 70s, many of the same Academics who had been fighting for Free Speech on Campus, got their PhDs/Tenure and started pushing for PC and SJW, claiming that Safe Space was Bourgeois.

By the way, Google, owner of YouTube,recently announced it's creating a censored search Engine for China.

Well, well, well at least they are showing their fangs and being open about it instead of shadow banning and saying oops mistake. Lets see-that imbecile jeff Sessions si the most incompetent AG ever.

There's also Jealousy, Lostandconfused.

Alex Jones had 2.5M Subscribers on his main Youtube Channel.

The NYT has half that, 1.3M Subscribers, despite the huge brand advantage. I bet you the NYT spends near as much or possible more than Infowars entire budget on promoting and producting their video web content.

Another example:

Sargon of Akkad, a British Blogger talking on his webcam from his house, made a Sarah Jeong video with 100,000 hits
CNN's video on the subject had 200,000, and I'm sure their budget is wee bit bigger than Sargon's.

"We want our influence and unearned respect back! Silence these upstarts!"

Don't think for all these laid off or job-insecure journalists, the potential or fact of losing their livelihood to Vloggers doesn't have them seething with Rage.

I just read a thread where a Twitter Verified Blue Check is rubbing his hands with glee over the possibility of banning NRA TV

And one more thought as I heated up my sandwich:

Acostya bitches about Trump Supporters mocking CNN and putting "The Free Press at Risk"

and the same time, it had pushed and then celebrated, that Infowars, a competitor, be banned or restricted on Social Media.

So much hypocrisy since 2016.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

And one more thought as I heated up my sandwich:

Acostya bitches about Trump Supporters mocking CNN and putting "The Free Press at Risk"

and the same time, it had pushed and then celebrated, that Infowars, a competitor, be banned or restricted on Social Media.

So much hypocrisy since 2016.

Jeff sessions is going to do nothing. trump should take it to them and make this about freedom of the press. I guess this is why they always tried to squelch free media. back then slaves were not allowed to read or write. Knowledge si power and the newly powerful-the tech titans want to control their globalist scum ways.

Apple especially-they have a lot to lose from China-maybe this is a shot at the bow to get a dem congress int he mid terms so tariffs won't go through.

We need a McCarthy style Hollywood Commie Cleansing.
America should have let the man finish his job, like the Liberals and Rinos are demanding Mueller finishes his Witch Hunt.

I'm always right, damn it you fuckers know it. And I'll tell you this. While the pendulum shift has brought us Donald Trump. Wait until it takes a whack at the Commies in Hollywood and violations of 1A on the Internet. Those CEO's of tech riding high on the hog today. Stand to lose everything when it is nationalized as a National Utility and taken from them.

Nationalize the Internet no Alex Jones no Liberal Commie Filth.
NO Political campaigning from either side, no Marxism propaganda.

Come on! Let's light this puppy. Liberals are fucking lightweight pansies when it comes to censorship.

Oh! You want a squeaky clean Internet do you?

Give Ted Cruz the firewall admin job you silly fucksticks!

FPBT says

So now we are for socialism?

Nope just down to show the liberals just how feebly feckless their nonsense is.

Conservatives have been itching for fucking years upon years to censor and silence the Liberal Filth in Hollywood and the Internet and bring down the Pedophile cartel.

Liberals are Pedophiles that's why they censored Infowars and Alex Jones, they have so much to hide and fear.

Once again, people confusing "freedom of speech" for "obligation of others to publish."

All that aside, I'd like to focus the discussion on the topic at hand- Alex Fucking Jones. The man is consistently objectively wrong but never corrects, retracts, or apologizes. His content isn't filtered; every out-there brain fart is treated with the same gravitas as canonical facts like the freezing and boiling point of water at a given pressure, a hallmark of crackpot thinking. There are no lines between fact, speculation, propaganda, and disinformation. Alex plies the psychological quirks and deficiencies of those he follows, acting like his is privileged information and he is struggling against a powerful conspiracy against the world.

At some point, sane and rational people turn their back on this type of person, and the type of people who follow him. That's where I'm at with AJ.

The major platforms who pushed him out their doors, my only question is, WHY did it take you so long?

Automan Empire says

His content isn't filtered; every out-there brain fart is treated with the same gravitas as canonical facts

If hes a clown, why censor him?

AJ's content is besides the point. Political censorship is never a sign of a healthy society. Historically this leads oppression and even ethnic cleansing.

The time to say no is now. If you cant, please take a look in the mirror and remember this day. At some point you will regret supporting the Nazis

CBOEtrader says

At some point you will regret supporting the Nazis

As all statist eventually do, if they're lucky to survive.

CBOEtrader says

At some point you will regret supporting the Nazis

They all hung for following orders. I never thought that was fair, but now I get it.
They were all Liberal National Socialists by choice

Aphroman says

Why should a private company be compelled by The State to provide platform for distasteful nonsense that harms their business?

What would you call it if Shell, Exxon, and BP all decided at 3AM on a Sunday night to set the price of a gallon of gas at $4?

It's actually worse, because there is no specific reason given, and the problematic entries cited is content that has been up for years.

Multiple Tech Firms within 12 hours reviewed years old content at the same time? Unlikely.

Collusion? Very likely.

Free Speech is also more than the #1A, it's also a societal value, and society should pressure companies to adhere to standards.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

It's actually worse, because there is no specific reason given, and the problematic entries cited is content that has been up for years.

The reason is simple: this is anti-US propaganda.

A nation exists only because of its inner tribalism, and tribalism relies on narratives, that have to be maintained.

In a world where much of what is happening is happening so far away from people, it's extremely naive to think that simply giving freedom of expression to everyone will result in anything good.

A country cannot survive if there are dozens, or even hundreds, of media outlets, with large followings, actively undermining its unity, its values, and its institutions.

Would you let the soviet union run anti-US propaganda inside the US? Nazi Germany? How would we fight them if this was the case?
In the case of Jones, this is obviously not an not external polity, but it undermines the nation all the same.

I would define decadence as a people becoming incapable to recognize and/or react to truths and facts.

We should all object to the NYT hiring leftist extremists relaying a biased vision of the world.

But people like Jones make it a point to lie and bring people in cult-like beliefs that turn them against national institutions.
All for personal gain.

He is not a James Damore: speaking truth to power. He is the exact opposite.

Heraclitusstudent says

it undermines the nation all the same.

Alex Jones undermines fundamental COGNITION.

Right now I'm not buying the argument that "censoring" Alex Jones harms rational individual or societal interests.

Heraclitusstudent says

A country cannot survive if there are dozens, or even hundreds, of media outlets, with large followings, actively undermining its unity, its values, and its institutions.

Uh, that's how it was before Network TV in the 1950s, and the consolidation of news and radio.

Even small cities had 2-3 newspapers with virulently differing opinions.

The Walter Kronkite to CNN era was the exception, not the norm. Economy of Scale and Consolidation combined the printers and radios and networks, and now the internet is decentralizing the Press again (not for the first time).

Heraclitusstudent says

The reason is simple: this is anti-US propaganda.

Google, the owner of Youtube, is helping China create a Censored Search Engine. Facebook and Twitter work with anti-American Radical Groups, sponsored by Soros and NGOs with foreign financing, to help them develop Algos to determine what is acceptable or not. Should we ban that?

Heraclitusstudent says

In a world where much of what is happening is happening so far away from people, it's extremely naive to think that simply giving freedom of expression to everyone will result in anything good.

That's a cornerstone of (classic) Liberal thought going back to Locke. At the time, things like Religious Tolerance or Free Speech was considered Maximum Whiggery even by most Whigs.

Heraclitusstudent says

Would you let the soviet union run anti-US propaganda inside the US? Nazi Germany? How would we fight them if this was the case?

How about BBC and Guardian pro-EU propaganda? WSJ, CNN pro-NAFTA/MFN for China Propaganda?

You're not really arguing to eliminate the Freedom of Speech and the Press, right?

Those are hardcore American Values. Freedom of the Press is NOT limited to multinational, multibillion dollar Corporations.

Man, I hope my sarcasm meter is merely broken, and you're making a funny.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

That's a cornerstone of (classic) Liberal thought going back to Locke. At the time, things like Religious Tolerance or Free Speech was considered Maximum Whiggery even by most Whigs.

It is obvious that there should be a debate of ideas including about what the truth is, and how the nation should be led. This is not the case here. Jones is deliberately lying, and lying about things that undermine institutions.

Locke was not living in a world where a troll farm in Russia could influence what millions of Americans saw as news.

If you want to refer the past: what would McCarthy think about it?

An no sorry, the BBC may be defending the EU, but it is not undermining this nation.

Heraclitusstudent says

He is not a James Damore: speaking truth to power. He is the exact opposite.

Does that really matter?

Fundamentally if you really believe in free speech and the 1st amendment, does your statement change anything?

Time to ban CNN?

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Love seeing Liberals who are like "Always let dissident voices be heard"

I'm not sure whether having a guy promote stories about pedophile democrat rings or that mass shootings of children didn't really happen, but are plots to take our guns away, qualifies as, "dissident voices."

YOu know there are a lot of dishonest morons out there that are happy to believe what they want to believe and spread any kind of garbage rumor on FB about the other political side. Apparently becasue they can't justify their vote with legitimate reasoning.



Tenpoundbass says

Liberals are Pedophiles that's why they censored Infowars and Alex Jones, they have so much to hide and fear.

If there is any justice in this world, ALex Jones will be bankrupted by lawsuits for defamation, slander, fraud or whatever. I would rather see this resolved that way, increasing the risk to future hucksters of spreading made up lies and paranoid fantasies as real stories to push on the less intelligent folks out there.

Well since left decided to ban right. I see it as only fair.

I’ll treat left as shitty as they treat right. No love loss here.

Aphroman says

FortWayne says

Time to ban CNN?

There it is

A lone instance of honesty from the right

Finally an ounce of truth from the left.

Aphroman says

I saw a bunch of trucks full of caskets heading towards the FEMA camp

They’re coming for whitey!

Heraclitusstudent says

The reason is simple: this is anti-US propaganda.

A nation exists only because of its inner tribalism, and tribalism relies on narratives, that have to be maintained.

And it's the Legacy Media, not Alex Jones or Donald Trump, that is aggressively peddling Identity Politics, a picture of an irredeemably Racist-Sexist Nation (unless Whites die, or leave all their inheritance to minorities, etc.),

A (reactionary) libertarian pushing civic nationalism and civil liberties, wanting a return to a more hands off federal state, as traditional, cannot be anti-American propaganda. Indeed it is the core narrative/myth, that is under attack by Globalists and the Left for being pesky to their end goals.

Goran_K says

Fundamentally if you really believe in free speech and the 1st amendment, does your statement change anything?

I repeat:
It is obvious that there should be a debate of ideas including about what the truth is, and how the nation should be led.
I would define decadence as a people becoming incapable to recognize and/or react to truths and facts.

In my view we should should not condone LARGE SCALE media (not individual speech), SYSTEMATICALLY (not once or twice or by chance), spreading FALSE information (that is known to be false), especially when it UNDERMINES the nation (for example divide people or affect the credibility of institutions).

Yes, becasue we all know that CNN is a left wing version of what ALex Jones is on the right.

Liberals, circa 1950s
www.youtube.com/embed/kgejIbN9UYA

Democrats, circa 2000s:

(Please, lower your volume, you'll thank me)
www.youtube.com/embed/NJxmpTMGhU0

Heraclitusstudent says

I repeat:
It is obvious that there should be a debate of ideas including about what the truth is, and how the nation should be led.
I would define decadence as a people becoming incapable to recognize and/or react to truths and facts.

yes