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There will be no "Blue Wave", change my mind!


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2018 May 14, 8:51am   79,588 views  699 comments

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Yesterday former Bill Clinton advisor Dick Morris told radio host on New York's AM 970 that he believes the "blue wave" that Democrats are expecting to give them back the Senate and House will not materialize, and polling has backed him up.

Last week, CNN's mid term poll showed that Democrats only had a 3 point advantage, well within the margin of error, and considering that CNN is known for "oversampling" Democrats in its own polls, this is troubling for the DNC.

Additionally, a recent poll from Reuters (left leaning) has shown that Millennials are leaving the Democrat party in droves. Democrat membership in the 18-34 demographic (the bread and butter of the DNC) dropped 9% over the past 2 years, most of them becoming "independents".

"I think that [Democrats] see fool’s gold in these scandals," Morris said. "They’re putting everything behind the Stormy Daniels scandal and Michael Cohen … and the country doesn’t give a damn."

That's when Morris dropped his prediction.

"There is no blue wave coming," Morris exclaimed. "There is a red wave. And what makes it red is the blood of the Democratic Party."

Here's my official take. I believe the GOP will LOSE seats in the house but will not give it up to the DNC. I believe the GOP will GAIN seats in the senate, keeping their majority. This will mean that Trump will have both houses of congress for his entire term.

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95   rdm   2018 Aug 18, 9:16am  

curious2 says
In order to produce a blue wave, Democrats need a coherent agenda,


That would be good but unnecessary. In this I agree with Steve Bannon it's all about Trump, who is most motivated to support or oppose. IMO The polls that will be most indicative of the results, especially in House races are what % of a district strongly support or strongly oppose Trump. Those people will vote. We shall see in November.
96   curious2   2018 Aug 18, 2:25pm  

rdm says
That would be good but unnecessary. In this I agree with Steve Bannon it's all about Trump, who is most motivated to support or oppose.


I don't see how Democrats could oppose Trump more now than they did in 2016, when they imagined him as nuclear Hitler. If it's all about Trump, then he wins. In this I agree with Oprah, who advised, "Do not give your energy to the other side." If Democrats want to win, they need to rally around something that can motivate majorities of voters in most states and Congressional districts. In 2016, Democrats had already TDS, and it was not enough to persuade enough voters in most districts and states. So, to win, I do think Democrats need a coherent agenda to put Americans first.
97   lostand confused   2018 Aug 18, 2:38pm  

curious2 says
in 2016, Democrats had TDS, and it was not enough. So, I do think Democrats need a coherent agenda to put Americans first.


Yup voters like me. I have no problem voting dme, republic. IT is more what they represent-not the label. In IL, voting dem is suicidal-they support public unions and refuse to do anything about the disastrous real estate taxes. They have the votes to amend the constitution-but instead pretend to ass some bandage measures which they know the court wills trike down.

In general, mass unlimited immigration, tariffs/free trade(surprisingly this was a strong dem position-now dems loathe it) etc. Now I support gay marriage etc-I am libertarian-but I don't support 32 or is it 112 genders and requiring us to keep all these different bathrooms or anyone saying they feel x gender at this moment and so use x bathroom. If not that is a violation equal to slavery and the holocaust.

What scares me is the SJW, free speech and violence to ensure that only one form of thought is accepted. I saw it at the Trump rally and the recent racist turn of the dems-where they were calling the ICE agent the N word and house n*gga in Portland and several such incidents-chasing Milo out of a NY bar calling him NAZI-antifa-these terrify me for our future.

Last but not least and absolute dela killer-socialism, where they want government control of businesses and redistribution-hell no.

Not to mention Obama's use of the police state to target his rivals-that has gone horrible-Thank God for Trump.

In life we sometime come to a fork. The dem want us to go to a fork where government controls everything, from what you think, what you can express, redistributing your assets and basically eb where Russia, Cambodia, Germany all went.

The repubs are pointing us towards freedom, while the govt protects us from places like cHina etc , but true freedom. I believe we are in a dangerous place and the democrats could lead us into terrible disaster-a world where the govt decides everything-the question-are there enough people as the dems say "woke" enough o move away from the commie filth?
98   CBOEtrader   2018 Aug 18, 3:50pm  

Aphroman says
emember that Trump was elected solely because the DNC went with Hillary.


Remember the part about the DNC stealing the primary for Hillary? That probably had something to do with it
99   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 4:03pm  

LeonDurham says

lol--we're measuring health of the economy by spending at Walmart?? bwahahahahahaha.

Is it possible people are spending more at the cheapest, crappiest, lowest quality crap because they can't afford anything else?? Higher spending at Walmart probably indicates a crappier economy.


Because their manufacturing jobs were outsourced by Neoliberals?

Hey, what IS the Democratic solution to outsourcing?

Let me guess, Education for jobs that don't exist like Nantotech Engineer and AI Psychologist. Perfect for 55 year old Mike the Steamfitter.
100   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 4:08pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Hey, what IS the Democratic solution to outsourcing?


See---this is undoubtedly the most frustrating part of posting here. This poster has asked this question multiple times before and it's been answered for him multiple times before.

He lets a month or two go by, and then asks it again, pretending that it hasn't been answered for him multiple times before.
101   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 4:09pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Because their manufacturing jobs were outsourced by Neoliberals?


Except far more have been automated away.
102   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 4:51pm  

LeonDurham says
Except far more have been automated away.



Nope. Not looking at Shenzhen they haven't. People there today still slump over electronics with soldering irons just like they did at Philco in Ohio in the 70s.
103   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 4:59pm  

LeonDurham says

See---this is undoubtedly the most frustrating part of posting here. This poster has asked this question multiple times before and it's been answered for him multiple times before.

He lets a month or two go by, and then asks it again, pretending that it hasn't been answered for him multiple times before.


Nope, it's never been answered. Everytime I ask it I'm told it was answered or I get a dodge. Another one I like is how the import of millions of unskilled is a good thing when our own unskilled have been doing like shit these past few decades.

Along with "If the Russians hacked the server, how come the DNC hasn't thrust it upon the FBI/NSA for forensic investigation?"

Meanwhile, while every single other metric from unemployment to youth unemployment to GDP growth to retail sales has been doing fantastic over most of the past quarters, the economy sucks because one metric isn't moving well.
104   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:02pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Nope, it's never been answered.


bwahahahaha.

You don't remember the Dem platform being cut and pasted on here for you? And linked to it? Really?

Shall I do it for the 4th time?
105   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:04pm  

LeonDurham says
You don't remember the Dem platform being cut and pasted on here for you? And linked to it? Really?


4th Time? Is it vague and education blah-blah-blah, or does it have a comprehensive, full-spectrum answer? It must have been pretty cookie cutter that I don't remember it.

Just link to one of the other 4.
106   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:06pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Meanwhile, we have posters who say the Economy sucks, because one number isn't improving as rapidly this quarter, but every single other metric from unemployment to youth unemployment to GDP growth to retail sales has been doing fantastic


One number? Let's see:

Jobs created down.
Real wages down (and NEGATIVE!)
Federal Deficit up.

Shall I continue?
107   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:11pm  

Federal Deficit was increasing under Obama and has been going up for most of the past 35-40 years, that's no change.
Jobs created down is a false metric, since the unemployment rate is at record lows.
Real Wages were also down under Obama in 2013-2014 and certainly most of Obama's term before that, when that should have been a time real wages were booming since it was far from the trough.

Record Unemployment since 1969 (tied for 2000)
Record Youth Unemployment in 52 years
GDP Growth an "Impossible" 4.1% after many quarters of good growth
Retail Sales jumped 6%
Huge new steel and electronics factories opening up
108   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:18pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Federal Deficit was increasing under Obama and has been going up for most of the past 35-40 years, that's no change


Womp, womp. Deficit was reduced by 1/3 under Obama. Try again.

Unemployment rate has simply continued its decline that started under Obama.
GDP is actually slightly lower than under Obama. Obama had two quarters in a row of 5.1% and 4.9%. One quarter of 4.1% is nothing special.
109   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:23pm  

LeonDurham says
Womp, womp. Deficit was reduced by 1/3 under Obama. Try again.


Womp, womp.

The national debt almost DOUBLED under Obama from about $10T to $20T.

Nice try playing games with deficits, we were more indebted after Obama than before.

LeonDurham says
Unemployment rate has simply continued its decline that started under Obama.


Unemployment has really done well under Trump. Obama's recovery was sluggish, it should have been roaring back by 2011.

LeonDurham says
GDP is actually slightly lower than under Obama. Obama had two quarters in a row of 5.1% and 4.9%. One quarter of 4.1% is nothing special.


GDP "Growth" coming out of a horrific recession of "Negative Growth" isn't the same as a sustained boom. Like I said, the hallmark of the Obama "recovery" was how slow and weak it was. Even in 2010, Obama lost millions of jobs.
110   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:26pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
The national debt almost DOUBLED under Obama from about $10T to $20T.


Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.

Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Unemployment has really done well under Trump. Obama's recovery was sluggish, it should have been roaring back by 2011.


Really? Why don't you post the unemployment rates since 2008 so we can judge.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
GDP "Growth" coming out of a horrific recession of "Negative Growth" isn't the same as a sustained boom. Like I said, the hallmark of the Obama "recovery" was how slow and weak it was. Even in 2010, Obama lost millions of jobs.


Womp, womp, again. Those growth rates were in 2014.
111   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:29pm  

LeonDurham says
Read the quote again. Deficit and Debt are NOT the same thing.

Obama reduced the deficit. Trump is ballooning it out of control.


Obama increased the debt, however. It is not "Ballooning" out of control under Trump.

Obama's first budget has a $1.3T deficit. T for Trillion.

It was the Republicans, not Obama, that forced a sequestration in 2013 that ended up the first Obama era budget not topping a Trillion-dollar deficit
112   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:33pm  

LeonDurham says
Womp, womp, again. Those growth rates were in 2014.


Long Delayed. Those should have been in 2010 or 2011 at the very latest. More likely to do with the huge Republican surge in 2010 and 2012.

Meanwhile, all the numbers for the Entire Trump Presidency are more than respectable, and there are no signs of slowing down.

In 2012, Obama bragged he created 3M jobs since 2010, and anemic number of 90,000 per month, well below the population growth rate, and not only not adequate for that point after the trough of a recession, but rather recessionary in and of itself.
113   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:34pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Obama increased the debt, however. It is not "Ballooning" out of control under Trump.

Obama's first budget has a $1.3T deficit. T for Trillion.

It was the Republicans, not Obama, that forced a sequestration in 2013 that ended up the first Obama era budget not topping a Trillion-dollar deficit


Are you kidding me? Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump was given a booming economy.

And spare me the nonsense that all Republicans spew--either the President is responsible for the budget or he isn't. You can't blame him for the increased spending without crediting him for reducing spending. Unless you're a dishonest "team Republican" member.
114   curious2   2018 Aug 18, 5:34pm  

Aphroman says
solely because the DNC went with Hillary.


And yet, what part of her platform have they changed really? Some few Democrats campaign on Bernie's platform, but most in the Congress demand mandatory HeritageFoundationCare aka Hillary's Plan aka Obamneycare. And, they "can't wait" to get more Muslims into the Congress. Hillary's problems included the fact that she campaigned honestly (in the sense that she said what she would do, even though she lied about why she would do it) on some really unpopular things: for example, she tried to sell the HeritageFoundationCare mandate, claiming it was a good idea, while Obama campaigned against it but then spun around and signed it, lying along the way including at least one "lie of the year" (per PolitiFact). Hillary acknowledged on TV that lethal terrorism "is clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," and her e-mails acknowledged her Saudi clients were principal funders of terrorism worldwide, but she insisted on spreading Islam and now Democrats "can't wait" to see more of it in Congress.

In this thread, we continue to see the same attempted subterfuge. Obama's deficits were front-loaded, so instead of the fact that he doubled the debt, we hear partisans claim that he reduced the deficit. It's unreal, and it doesn't fool enough people in enough places to win.

I agree with the 50/50 forecast from 2Scoops, a lot can happen in 80 days, but so far I see more Democrats repeating the same playbook from 2016 rather than 2008.
115   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:36pm  

curious2 says
Obama's deficits were front-loaded, so instead of the fact that he doubled the debt, we hear partisans claim that he reduced the deficit.


lol--they're called honest posters.
116   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:37pm  

LeonDurham says
Are you kidding me? Obama inherited the worst economy since the Great Depression. Trump was given a booming economy.


Obama had one of the weakest recoveries in US History, particularly outside of the Coastal Enclaves. By 2012 we still were behind millions of jobs, with pathetic growth rates, despite adding trillions to the Debt. Like I said, one or two quarters of 4 and 5% years after the trough of a recession is NOTHING to brag about, it's something to be concerned about.

Nobody, not even CNN - is making the case that Trump is doing a banging job on the economy.

Real Wages have stunk for most of the past few decades and won't be fixed in a day. It will be fixed by cutting off the nearly unlimited labor supply for big companies.
117   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:37pm  

curious2 says
but Democrats demand spreading Islam and "can't wait" to see more of it in Congress.


See this is a good example of a strawman argument.
118   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:38pm  

LeonDurham says
See this is a good example of a strawman argument.



Not at all. my whole life, Democrat Activists have whinged about religion in politics, Jesus/God in the Public Forum, Separation of Church and State etc. etc.

Now that there are two conservative Muslim candidates, the Democrats are dancing around about how wonderful it is to have religious people running for office.
119   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:39pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Nobody, not even CNN - is making the case that Trump is doing a banging job on the economy.


Uh, pat.netters sure make that case.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Real Wages have stunk for most of the past few decades and won't be fixed in a day. It will be fixed by cutting off the nearly unlimited labor supply for big companies.


Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.
120   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:39pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Not at all. my whole life, Democrat Activists have whinged about religion in politics, Jesus/God in the Public Forum, Separation of Church and State etc. etc.

Now that there are two conservative Muslim candidates, the Democrats are dancing around about how wonderful it is to have religious people running for office.


OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.
121   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm  

LeonDurham says
Fix it? All he's done has made it worse.



Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.
122   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:40pm  

LeonDurham says
OK--please share any example of a Dem demanding that Islam be spread.


Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.

Even if they married for visas.
123   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:41pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

Look at your own chart and explain 2013 and 2014, those boom years of Obama. Way after the trough of a recession, when wages should be booming.


Why? You're the one saying the economy sucked under Obama and it's much better now. Please show me how real wages going down and negative is better?
124   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:42pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Not what I said. I said that before, they "worried" about religion in politics. Now, they are celebrating that conservative Muslims are running for office as Dems.

Even if they married for visas.


Yes it is. I claimed the quote was a strawman and you said, "not at all".

So please show me how it's not a strawman.
126   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:47pm  

Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?
128   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm  

I'm looking for something saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"

Nothing in the above says anything remotely like that.
129   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm  

LeonDurham says
Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?


I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.

Labour is doing the same in the UK by the way.

I see the new PM of Pakistan lost his opportunity to condemn Theofascist Blasphemy laws, however.
130   curious2   2018 Aug 18, 5:56pm  

LeonDurham says
Do you think that is the same as saying "Dems demanding Islam be spread"?


Hillary campaigned on importing (at American expense) at least 65k "Syrian" migrants in her first year, more to follow, 97% Sunni because the Syrian Christians and Shia were sheltering with Assad in order to avoid getting exterminated by the Sunni militias that Hillary was arming (also at American expense). Merkel imported 10x more Sunnis into other NATO countries. PatNet has a whole thread on Islamic Hijrah (totally different from the Hindu word hijra), including a map showing the "charity" IRAP serving Muslim-majority client countries by spreading Islam into NATO. Current Democrats campaign against the President's travel ban and demand to import more "refugee" Sunnis. So yes, Democrats were and are campaigning on spreading Islam.
131   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 5:59pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I see it as a double standard: Christian Belief undesirable; Muslim Belief desirable.


Only because you misinterpret it. Muslims are often discriminated against because of their religion. Dems are party of Bill of Rights and they believe in freedom of religion, so they applaud the underdog being elected.
132   MisdemeanorRebel   2018 Aug 18, 6:00pm  

Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.

Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.
133   curious2   2018 Aug 18, 6:01pm  

LeonDurham says
I'm looking for something....

No, you're not looking. If you were looking, you would easily find examples. It's like in the Abhulimen thread, where you didn't even look at the linked video that showed a blank white key card, and instead you insisted based on your own alleged experience that key cards are not blank. Instead of looking at facts, you are trolling, demanding that other people do the looking for you, as if we were your retrievers. I have other things to do today, so I am done playing your silly little game. People will vote in November, and if your antics are the best that Democrats can do, I don't see a blue wave coming.
134   LeonDurham   2018 Aug 18, 6:04pm  

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Speaking of replacing Americans at work, I notice that Obama had settled lots of Sunni "Refugees" in Twin Falls, Idaho. His big donor Chobani has a big Yogurt plant there.

Should help keep wages low for Obama's friends.


Do you really want to get into a discussion of scandals? Because the Trump Administration is the most fraudulent, self serving, bunch of money grabbers that the White House has ever seen.

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