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FortWayne
2018 Jul 11, 2:56pm
FortWayne
2018 Jul 11, 2:56pm
I had my posts deleted. But I just learned to not adhom instead of taking it personally and quitting.
RafiMaas says
RafiMaas says
LeonDurham saysYep--nobody left because they couldn't ad hom. They left because pat.net became a place where free speech was no longer welcome unless you are on the right team.they left because having moderators only on 1 team is really not moderation at all.
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 11, 3:12pm
Bd6r
2018 Jul 11, 3:12pm
LeonDurham says
If you mean Hey N... police your own, the author is HEYYOU and he is on no teams other than his own
Although there is an extremely racist post title currently active on the home screen. But the author is on the right team so it's no problem.
If you mean Hey N... police your own, the author is HEYYOU and he is on no teams other than his own
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 11, 4:14pm
FortWayne says
Exactly. That's my point. Nobody left because of the adhom rules. They left because of the outsourced moderators obvious bias.
I had my posts deleted. But I just learned to not adhom instead of taking it personally and quitting.
Exactly. That's my point. Nobody left because of the adhom rules. They left because of the outsourced moderators obvious bias.
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LeonDurham
2018 Jul 11, 4:17pm
dr6B says
You're right. My mistake--I was thinking it was a different author.
If you mean Hey N... police your own, the author is HEYYOU and he is on no teams other than his own
You're right. My mistake--I was thinking it was a different author.
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MrMagic
2018 Jul 11, 7:42pm
MrMagic
2018 Jul 11, 7:42pm
Aphroman says
Isn't that the same issue as with your last profile here?
Some things never change.
Aphroman says
Hmmmmm......
@Patrick why are you censoring my posts again? What is the excuse this time?
Isn't that the same issue as with your last profile here?
Some things never change.
Aphroman says
Rogue moderator coward with an axe to grind again?
Hmmmmm......
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CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 12, 1:04am
CBOEtrader
2018 Jul 12, 1:04am
Aphroman says
McCain = HRC = Obama = Bush
Rand Paul is a totally different breed.
You still haven't answered the question of who is right vs left. Are you just talking about R's vs D's? Go ask George HW Bush who his scion R family all voted for in 2016 POTUS election. Then come back and tell us what right vs left means.
Lol Libertarians are indistinguishable from Republicans
McCain = HRC = Obama = Bush
Rand Paul is a totally different breed.
You still haven't answered the question of who is right vs left. Are you just talking about R's vs D's? Go ask George HW Bush who his scion R family all voted for in 2016 POTUS election. Then come back and tell us what right vs left means.
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Bd6r
2018 Jul 12, 6:25am
Bd6r
2018 Jul 12, 6:25am
Aphroman says
1. The fact that stupid drug war influences minorities more does not mean that currently it is rooted in racism. It was (initially, at least for MJ-but not necessarily for other drugs), but now the prohibition machine is crushing everyone who is poor, as minorities are poorer, they suffer more. Cause here is not race, it is economics. I am sure Hollywood and Washington are snorting coke like crazy yet poor guy is going to jail.
2. RP is R in name only as his voting record shows, and he run as Prez from Libertarian party many times. His voting record and views shows that L's are different from R's. Too bad R's redristricted him out of his district. Kind of similar to what D's did to Kucinich and Sanders.
Being that the issue is deeply rooted in racism, as Paul says, why is it important to ignore such an obvious fact?
Does pretending it doesn’t exist help somehow?
1. The fact that stupid drug war influences minorities more does not mean that currently it is rooted in racism. It was (initially, at least for MJ-but not necessarily for other drugs), but now the prohibition machine is crushing everyone who is poor, as minorities are poorer, they suffer more. Cause here is not race, it is economics. I am sure Hollywood and Washington are snorting coke like crazy yet poor guy is going to jail.
2. RP is R in name only as his voting record shows, and he run as Prez from Libertarian party many times. His voting record and views shows that L's are different from R's. Too bad R's redristricted him out of his district. Kind of similar to what D's did to Kucinich and Sanders.
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PeopleUnited
2018 Aug 9, 7:14pm
PeopleUnited
2018 Aug 9, 7:14pm
dr6B says
Don't you think the primary reason for prohibition is that certain people will lose a lot of money if drugs were cheap, and legal? There are other reasons of course, for example making drugs illegal will theoretically make it harder to do stupid things like overdose and do crimes while under the influence both of which are a burden borne by those who have no involvement in the drug trade, competing legal drugs, or law enforcement.
Aphroman saysBeing that the issue is deeply rooted in racism, as Paul says, why is it important to ignore such an obvious fact?
Does pretending it doesn’t exist help somehow?
1. The fact that stupid drug war influences minorities more does not mean that currently it is rooted in racism. It was (initially, at least for MJ-but not necessarily for other drugs), but now the prohibition machine is crushing everyone who is poor, as minorities are poorer, they suffer more. Cause here is not race, it is economics. I am sure Hollywood and Washington are snorting coke like crazy yet poor guy is going to jail.
2. RP is R in name only as his voting record shows, and he run as Prez from Libertarian party many times. His voting record and views shows that L's are different from R's. Too bad R's redristricted him out of his district. Kind of similar to what D's did to Kucinich and Sanders.
Don't you think the primary reason for prohibition is that certain people will lose a lot of money if drugs were cheap, and legal? There are other reasons of course, for example making drugs illegal will theoretically make it harder to do stupid things like overdose and do crimes while under the influence both of which are a burden borne by those who have no involvement in the drug trade, competing legal drugs, or law enforcement.
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Patrick
2018 Aug 9, 7:45pm
Patrick
2018 Aug 9, 7:45pm
I do think the primary reason for prohibition of marijuana was and is money. Keeping it illegal keeps prisons profitably full and prevents competition with alcohol interests.
It also provides a windfall to police though civil forfeiture:
https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-pot-lobbys-big-bankroll/
It also provides a windfall to police though civil forfeiture:
Yet strong institutional forces have kept nearly every law enforcement professional association opposed to reform. Starting with the Reagan administration, police departments were encouraged to seize and sell property associated with drug busts, which significantly augmented their revenue. Between 2002 and 2012, law enforcement agencies collected about $1 billion from marijuana arrests, according to Justice Department data.
https://www.thenation.com/article/anti-pot-lobbys-big-bankroll/
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WillPowers
2018 Aug 20, 10:36pm
WillPowers
2018 Aug 20, 10:36pm
Liberal media outlet: Politico, in an article dated 11/21/2013 shows how Obama, who did the same thing Trump is doing now, revoking national security clearances for national security reasons, was not shamed by the press for doing so:
https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2018/08/media-war...
https://mojomorning.blogspot.com/2018/08/media-war...
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 10:38pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 21, 10:38pm
Aphroman says
You know they have to test drugs before they are used as medicine right? Go ahead and share you conspiracy theory though. Which major medication will marijuana replace?
Aphroman says
Link? I cant wait to read your "support" for this statement.
especially pharmaceuticals, because cannabis is such an inexpensive and effective medicine.
You know they have to test drugs before they are used as medicine right? Go ahead and share you conspiracy theory though. Which major medication will marijuana replace?
Aphroman says
If you listen to what the Prohibitionist actually say, their main reason is to terrorize blacks and disempower the liberals
Link? I cant wait to read your "support" for this statement.
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WookieMan
2018 Aug 22, 6:46am
WookieMan
2018 Aug 22, 6:46am
CBOEtrader says
I'm not sure of big time medical treatments that will benefit people. Like curing a cancer or something. But off the top of my head, Tylenol, Advil, etc would take a beating for sure. Can't remember the exact compound in the plant, but weed with higher % of CBD I believe has a pain relieving effect. I stopped in CO last month to load up (not usually an active consumer - maybe 20 days a year) on pot supplies. I had some back pain, knew I was going to be doing some hiking and got some edibles with high level of CBD.
Result, worked substantially better then any pain killer I've taken. And I don't have to worry about my stomach bleeding or liver because I might have a drink or two at night. It would turn the pain killer market upside-down overnight. And that's a massive profit center for pharma because it leads to the perception that a pill will solve all your problems. It's a gateway.
And I'm not saying there aren't good drugs out there that help people with some fucked up shit, pharma does have it's place. I just know from first hand experience, with basic pain, certain varieties of pot help. My old man has cancer and has been on it now for about 4 months. He's a different person. The pain had been bothering him and now he's more like him old self. When you're in pain you're more likely to be agitated, angry, etc. That's gone with him now.
Obviously not some massive study by any means ;) , but pot does have it's place. Just wiping out the pain killer market would have a massive upheaval on the pharma industry. They don't want that as it would piss of shareholders pretty good.
Go ahead and share you conspiracy theory though. Which major medication will marijuana replace?
I'm not sure of big time medical treatments that will benefit people. Like curing a cancer or something. But off the top of my head, Tylenol, Advil, etc would take a beating for sure. Can't remember the exact compound in the plant, but weed with higher % of CBD I believe has a pain relieving effect. I stopped in CO last month to load up (not usually an active consumer - maybe 20 days a year) on pot supplies. I had some back pain, knew I was going to be doing some hiking and got some edibles with high level of CBD.
Result, worked substantially better then any pain killer I've taken. And I don't have to worry about my stomach bleeding or liver because I might have a drink or two at night. It would turn the pain killer market upside-down overnight. And that's a massive profit center for pharma because it leads to the perception that a pill will solve all your problems. It's a gateway.
And I'm not saying there aren't good drugs out there that help people with some fucked up shit, pharma does have it's place. I just know from first hand experience, with basic pain, certain varieties of pot help. My old man has cancer and has been on it now for about 4 months. He's a different person. The pain had been bothering him and now he's more like him old self. When you're in pain you're more likely to be agitated, angry, etc. That's gone with him now.
Obviously not some massive study by any means ;) , but pot does have it's place. Just wiping out the pain killer market would have a massive upheaval on the pharma industry. They don't want that as it would piss of shareholders pretty good.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 29, 3:02pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Aug 29, 3:02pm
Aphroman says
Yeah, White Supremacists pushed for tough sentences for drug dealers.
If you listen to what the Prohibitionist actually say, their main reason is to terrorize blacks and disempower the liberals
Yeah, White Supremacists pushed for tough sentences for drug dealers.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 29, 3:08pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 29, 3:08pm
WookieMan says
If it cant relieve pain w/o making you high then it's a specialty use pain killer, not the twice/day pill that tylenol or aspirin can be. Also what about sports or just being able to give it to a kid in school?
Then theres cost. Can this marijuana extract be given for a few pennies per dose?
Just wiping out the pain killer market would have a massive upheaval on the pharma industry.
If it cant relieve pain w/o making you high then it's a specialty use pain killer, not the twice/day pill that tylenol or aspirin can be. Also what about sports or just being able to give it to a kid in school?
Then theres cost. Can this marijuana extract be given for a few pennies per dose?
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FortWayne
2018 Aug 29, 6:20pm
FortWayne
2018 Aug 29, 6:20pm
Liberals tend to rewrite history to fit their own narrative.
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says
Aphroman saysIf you listen to what the Prohibitionist actually say, their main reason is to terrorize blacks and disempower the liberals
Yeah, White Supremacists pushed for tough sentences for drug dealers.
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curious2
2018 Aug 29, 6:51pm
curious2
2018 Aug 29, 6:51pm
FortWayne says
Some people who call themselves "liberal" or "conservative" or "libertarian" do that, but it is neither a liberal nor conservative nor libertarian thing to do. You have repeatedly done that regarding Rome among other topics.
Liberals tend to rewrite history to fit their own narrative.
Some people who call themselves "liberal" or "conservative" or "libertarian" do that, but it is neither a liberal nor conservative nor libertarian thing to do. You have repeatedly done that regarding Rome among other topics.
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Patrick
2018 Aug 29, 7:08pm
Patrick
2018 Aug 29, 7:08pm
CBOEtrader says
Yes it can. The stuff is ridiculously cheap to make.
Can this marijuana extract be given for a few pennies per dose?
Yes it can. The stuff is ridiculously cheap to make.
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WookieMan
2018 Aug 31, 4:11am
WookieMan
2018 Aug 31, 4:11am
CBOEtrader says
The NFLPA has been trying for a while now to get it off the banned substance list. So if America's favorite sport and athletes are wanting it, I don't think sports is an issue. While playing the game, sure I suppose it could have a detrimental effect. But you can't assume what they're taking anyway isn't detrimental to game day performance either.
The kids in school is a bit problematic, I'll agree there. I'd say it shouldn't be used as a pain reliever for minor things in a school setting. But if a kid has something serious, then sure, let them take it. There are varieties that don't get you nearly as high as what people would think. And if you actually NEED it daily, then you do build up a tolerance to the high.
If pain levels are that bad, it's likely that you're taking prescription anyway. And I presume you've read those labels on prescriptions. Wouldn't want my kid taking that shit, say after an appendicitis or gall bladder removal.
I'm not some hippy dippy, holistic guru guy either, but weed does work from personal experience. And other older folks I know who swore the stuff was the devil, gateway, etc. used it now at 60+ and swear by it. Believe me, before I tried it for pain reasons I thought the same thing, people just wanting to get high. Getting high isn't bad though either. Rather have stoned people walking around in public versus drunks if that's the most concerning side effect with no other physical, health damaging side effects. Get stoned and helps with pain.
I consume maybe 20 times a year roughly, when in states where legal. Mostly for recreation. So I'm not some pothead with an agenda to get high all the time without legal consequences.
Also what about sports or just being able to give it to a kid in school?
The NFLPA has been trying for a while now to get it off the banned substance list. So if America's favorite sport and athletes are wanting it, I don't think sports is an issue. While playing the game, sure I suppose it could have a detrimental effect. But you can't assume what they're taking anyway isn't detrimental to game day performance either.
The kids in school is a bit problematic, I'll agree there. I'd say it shouldn't be used as a pain reliever for minor things in a school setting. But if a kid has something serious, then sure, let them take it. There are varieties that don't get you nearly as high as what people would think. And if you actually NEED it daily, then you do build up a tolerance to the high.
If pain levels are that bad, it's likely that you're taking prescription anyway. And I presume you've read those labels on prescriptions. Wouldn't want my kid taking that shit, say after an appendicitis or gall bladder removal.
I'm not some hippy dippy, holistic guru guy either, but weed does work from personal experience. And other older folks I know who swore the stuff was the devil, gateway, etc. used it now at 60+ and swear by it. Believe me, before I tried it for pain reasons I thought the same thing, people just wanting to get high. Getting high isn't bad though either. Rather have stoned people walking around in public versus drunks if that's the most concerning side effect with no other physical, health damaging side effects. Get stoned and helps with pain.
I consume maybe 20 times a year roughly, when in states where legal. Mostly for recreation. So I'm not some pothead with an agenda to get high all the time without legal consequences.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 5:02am
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 5:02am
WookieMan says
Cant they remove the "high" and leave the medicine?
My god if they could remove the "munchies" and perhaps the "stupid" from the high, it would be the perfect recreational drug.
There are varieties that don't get you nearly as high as what people would think. And if you actually NEED it daily, then you do build up a tolerance to the high.
Cant they remove the "high" and leave the medicine?
My god if they could remove the "munchies" and perhaps the "stupid" from the high, it would be the perfect recreational drug.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 5:16am
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 5:16am
WookieMan says
If you are a chronic cancer patient, getting high could be therapeutic. At least it takes your mind off your tragedy for a while. Any extreme pain and getting high is half the solution, like a morphine drip from a man w a missing leg.
I'm just saying I dont see the conspiracy to keep it down for money reasons... or perhaps there are negative monetary reasons for some corporations, but many other see huge $$$. This isnt some corporations vs the small man situation. Phillip Morris could make more than anyone if marijuana is legalized. https://hightimes.com/news/tobacco-companies-investing-cannabis/
people just wanting to get high. Getting high isn't bad though either.
If you are a chronic cancer patient, getting high could be therapeutic. At least it takes your mind off your tragedy for a while. Any extreme pain and getting high is half the solution, like a morphine drip from a man w a missing leg.
I'm just saying I dont see the conspiracy to keep it down for money reasons... or perhaps there are negative monetary reasons for some corporations, but many other see huge $$$. This isnt some corporations vs the small man situation. Phillip Morris could make more than anyone if marijuana is legalized. https://hightimes.com/news/tobacco-companies-investing-cannabis/
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WookieMan
2018 Aug 31, 6:08am
WookieMan
2018 Aug 31, 6:08am
CBOEtrader says
I understand this sentiment and get most people will go for commercial products if it were legalized. And new huge corps will spring out of nowhere as well. So I'm not arguing the big guys vs little guy point. There's massive money to be made because revenue from 1 acre is probably the equivalent of 500 acres of corn or soybeans (might be even more, just guessing).
Knowing our government though, they'll still probably make it illegal to grow a plant in your back yard if it was legalized. But IF growing was allowed, it's essentially free if you smoke it and minimal cost to make your own edibles. No one gets a cut in that market and that's the problem with allowing legal cannabis. Two plants can yield more then even the most potty of pots head could consume in a year. Nobody is making money off what's grown in your back yard and that's where there's a problem. If it reduces 10-15% of OTC and prescription pain killers, then it's going to impact things bigly.
And don't get me wrong, 80-90% of the customers, if it became legal, would be recreational users. But they're using it anyway and pot laws are very rarely ever enforced in non-legal states if you're out and about. So not much changes tomorrow if it becomes legal outside of new companies being born and new tax revenue that is just going to criminals now. Seems like a win win to me.
CBOEtrader says
I don't know, I can live with those side effects. Versus other prescription drugs out there? It's like getting a cut (Cannabis) versus being stabbed with a sword (oxy for example). Opioid pain killers legit do part of what's in the title, kill. Weed doesn't.
I'm just saying I dont see the conspiracy to keep it down for money reasons... or perhaps there are negative monetary reasons for some corporations, but many other see huge $$$. This isnt some corporations vs the small man situation. Phillip Morris could make more than anyone if marijuana is legalized. https://hightimes.com/news/tobacco-companies-investing-cannabis/
I understand this sentiment and get most people will go for commercial products if it were legalized. And new huge corps will spring out of nowhere as well. So I'm not arguing the big guys vs little guy point. There's massive money to be made because revenue from 1 acre is probably the equivalent of 500 acres of corn or soybeans (might be even more, just guessing).
Knowing our government though, they'll still probably make it illegal to grow a plant in your back yard if it was legalized. But IF growing was allowed, it's essentially free if you smoke it and minimal cost to make your own edibles. No one gets a cut in that market and that's the problem with allowing legal cannabis. Two plants can yield more then even the most potty of pots head could consume in a year. Nobody is making money off what's grown in your back yard and that's where there's a problem. If it reduces 10-15% of OTC and prescription pain killers, then it's going to impact things bigly.
And don't get me wrong, 80-90% of the customers, if it became legal, would be recreational users. But they're using it anyway and pot laws are very rarely ever enforced in non-legal states if you're out and about. So not much changes tomorrow if it becomes legal outside of new companies being born and new tax revenue that is just going to criminals now. Seems like a win win to me.
CBOEtrader says
My god if they could remove the "munchies" and perhaps the "stupid" from the high, it would be the perfect recreational drug.
I don't know, I can live with those side effects. Versus other prescription drugs out there? It's like getting a cut (Cannabis) versus being stabbed with a sword (oxy for example). Opioid pain killers legit do part of what's in the title, kill. Weed doesn't.
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mell
2018 Aug 31, 6:24am
Aphroman says
If you take an edible cookie say with 1/8 as serving and eat half of it, most people will either trip hard, pass out sleeping or throw up, or any combination thereof. Depending on the dosage impairment is significant. Less so when smoking as it is easier to titrate, but similar to alcohol you have a cumulative effect if you smoke too much too fast. It's all about dosage, in moderation alcohol is good for you, similar for cannabis. It should not be stronger regulated than alcohol.
When you say “get high”, what do you think you mean? The euphoric feeling? Generally there’s not much impairment with cannabis consumption.
If you take an edible cookie say with 1/8 as serving and eat half of it, most people will either trip hard, pass out sleeping or throw up, or any combination thereof. Depending on the dosage impairment is significant. Less so when smoking as it is easier to titrate, but similar to alcohol you have a cumulative effect if you smoke too much too fast. It's all about dosage, in moderation alcohol is good for you, similar for cannabis. It should not be stronger regulated than alcohol.
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mell
2018 Aug 31, 6:44am
Aphroman says
Alcohol in moderation is linked to slightly increased longevity simply mostly by protecting the heart. This correlation has been repeated in many studies. The recent study included deaths from impairment, self harm and tuberculosis and also included teenagers. If you take these off the numbers look different. There is a trade off wrt cardio vascular and diabetes benefits and increased cancer risk so I would not recommend drinking a lot unless you are partying once in a while.
mell saysAphroman saysWhen you say “get high”, what do you think you mean? The euphoric feeling? Generally there’s not much impairment with cannabis consumption.
If you take an edible cookie say with 1/8 as serving and eat half of it, most people will either trip hard, pass out sleeping or throw up, or any combination thereof. Depending on the dosage impairment is significant. Less so when smoking as it is easier to titrate, but similar to alcohol you have a cumulative effect if you smoke too much. It's all about dosage, in moderation alcohol is good for you, similar for cannabis. It should not be stronger regulated than alcohol.
It’s actually not like alcohol at all, and you’re goingvto continue to see more and more science become mainstream showing that no amount of alcohol is good for you
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Alcohol in moderation is linked to slightly increased longevity simply mostly by protecting the heart. This correlation has been repeated in many studies. The recent study included deaths from impairment, self harm and tuberculosis and also included teenagers. If you take these off the numbers look different. There is a trade off wrt cardio vascular and diabetes benefits and increased cancer risk so I would not recommend drinking a lot unless you are partying once in a while.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 7:38am
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 7:38am
Aphroman says
Did you go to weed university?
And of course, there’s an infinite amount of different chemovars (chemical varieties, some people call ‘strains’) and cannabis has been bred to have higher/lower amounts of THC a/o CBD. Some have much more myrcene or pinene than others, and the distribution of these olefinic natural organic hydrocarbons, or rather varying combinations, offer up far differing effects.
Did you go to weed university?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 9:22am
CBOEtrader
2018 Aug 31, 9:22am
Aphroman says
Lol, you literally can't have a conversation w/o mislabeling republicans as racist. I've never voted for a Republican, ever...but this says a lot about your misdirected mindset.
Lay off the CNN and maybe you'd see the world more clearly
Don't let those words Racist and Republican trigger you
Lol, you literally can't have a conversation w/o mislabeling republicans as racist. I've never voted for a Republican, ever...but this says a lot about your misdirected mindset.
Lay off the CNN and maybe you'd see the world more clearly
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FortWayne
2018 Aug 31, 10:03am
FortWayne
2018 Aug 31, 10:03am
curious2 says
How do you than explain the Rome thing?
FortWayne saysLiberals tend to rewrite history to fit their own narrative.
Some people who call themselves "liberal" or "conservative" or "libertarian" do that, but it is neither a liberal nor conservative nor libertarian thing to do. You have repeatedly done that regarding Rome among other topics.
How do you than explain the Rome thing?
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Patrick
2018 Sep 20, 9:17pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 20, 9:17pm
jazz_music says
@jazz_music I appreciate your hope, but the reality is that Democratic policies have become much worse than those of Republicans, crushing wage earners by forcing them to compete directly with underpaid Chinese and Mexicans.
If you want reasonable wages, you must help stop the export of jobs and the import of illegals, both of which crush wages for the poorest American citizens, especially black people, far more effectively than any Republican policy has yet so far.
The Democrats have betrayed their supporters so massively and flagrantly that they should be disbanded as a party and reconstituted as the Labor Party, with the explicit goal of stopping the export of jobs and import of illegals.
liberal tennents and values are the only hope for wage earners to regain some dignity and some freedom in this country.
@jazz_music I appreciate your hope, but the reality is that Democratic policies have become much worse than those of Republicans, crushing wage earners by forcing them to compete directly with underpaid Chinese and Mexicans.
If you want reasonable wages, you must help stop the export of jobs and the import of illegals, both of which crush wages for the poorest American citizens, especially black people, far more effectively than any Republican policy has yet so far.
The Democrats have betrayed their supporters so massively and flagrantly that they should be disbanded as a party and reconstituted as the Labor Party, with the explicit goal of stopping the export of jobs and import of illegals.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2018 Sep 20, 9:22pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2018 Sep 20, 9:22pm
jazz_music says
Great! Lets cut the massive govt bureaucracy by say 75%!
There is no free market other than the one that exists structured by policies that guarantee the rich will always win using their built in advantages, which are A LOT of government services that us taxpayers pay for.
Great! Lets cut the massive govt bureaucracy by say 75%!
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 21, 4:59am
Patrick says
Which policies are those exactly?
(I bet if you look, you'll find they were actually Republican policies....)
@jazz_music I appreciate your hope, but the reality is that Democratic policies have become much worse than those of Republicans, crushing wage earners by forcing them to compete directly with underpaid Chinese and Mexicans.
If you want reasonable wages, you must help stop the export of jobs and the import of illegals, both of which crush wages for the poorest American citizens, especially black people, far more effectively than any Republican policy has yet so far.
The Democrats have betrayed their supporters so massively and flagrantly that they should be disbanded as a party and reconstituted as the Labor Party, with the explicit goal of stopping the export of jobs and import of illegals.
Which policies are those exactly?
(I bet if you look, you'll find they were actually Republican policies....)
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Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:01am
Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:01am
Aphroman says
@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.
Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.
The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.
Since when did cheap foreign labor become a “liberal” thing and not a Republican thing?
@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.
Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.
The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:02am
Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:02am
LeonDurham says
Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
Which policies are those exactly?
Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 21, 8:16am
Patrick says
OK--can you back up the statement and show me ANY Democrat that is PRO illegal immigration? Just show me one.
Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
OK--can you back up the statement and show me ANY Democrat that is PRO illegal immigration? Just show me one.
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 21, 8:17am
Patrick says
It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans
@Aphroman Since Democrats developed an obsession with tranny bathrooms and various other divisive distractions from the real issues.
Sure, Republicans have always been the business party, but now with Trump, amazingly, they represent the concerns of labor much better than Democrats do.
The Democratic Party has forgotten its reason for existence.
It's funny that the only people I hear worried about Tranny bathrooms are always Republicans
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FortWayne
2018 Sep 21, 8:18am
FortWayne
2018 Sep 21, 8:18am
Who is giving out licenses to illegals in CA? Hint, not Republicans.
Rocketmanjoe says
Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick saysLeonDurham saysWhich policies are those exactly?
Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
Where is your proof for your statement?
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mell
2018 Sep 21, 8:26am
Patrick says
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.
LeonDurham saysWhich policies are those exactly?
Let's start with Democratic support for mass illegal immigration and government benefits for illegals.
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.
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mell
2018 Sep 21, 8:51am
Rocketmanjoe says
Irrelevant. Trump is fighting illegal immigration, the party affiliation of perpetrators is irrelevant. Just because the Trump admin is finally cleaning this up doesn't mean all Republican voters are angels and follow the law. Everybody hiring illegals should and will be prosecuted/fined hard.
Who hired the illegal immigrant that killed Mollie Tibbetts
Irrelevant. Trump is fighting illegal immigration, the party affiliation of perpetrators is irrelevant. Just because the Trump admin is finally cleaning this up doesn't mean all Republican voters are angels and follow the law. Everybody hiring illegals should and will be prosecuted/fined hard.
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Goran_K
2018 Sep 21, 9:02am
Goran_K
2018 Sep 21, 9:02am
mell says
Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.
Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."
Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"
Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"
*democrat disappears from the thread*
You have great patience. This question has been answered many times and at this point repeatedly asking "which policies are these" is unproductive. The American people figured out that the Dems are the party of the new slave labor oligarchs and that's the reason Trump is prez and doing pretty well.
Seriously. This is a trolling pattern for Democrats/Leftists here.
Logical Person: "Democrats support illegal immigration."
Democrat: "Uh really? lol what policies support that statement?"
Logical Person: "How about sanctuary cities?"
*democrat disappears from the thread*
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Goran_K
2018 Sep 21, 10:18am
Goran_K
2018 Sep 21, 10:18am
Rocketmanjoe says
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.
What exactly is wrong with a local government not doing federal government work?
I think you mean a local government subverting Federal work, that would be the correct word to use.
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