Where is the scientific, historic or empirical evidence that the greater the racial, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of a nation, the stronger it becomes?

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Where is the scientific, historic or empirical evidence that the greater the racial, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of a nation, the stronger it becomes?

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2018 Sep 15, 5:34am 11,841 views 59 comments

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After playing clips of Democratic politicians reciting that truth of modern liberalism, Tucker Carlson asked, “How, precisely, is diversity our strength? Since you’ve made this our new national motto, please be specific.”

Reaction to Carlson’s question, with some declaring him a racist for having raised it, suggests that what we are dealing with here is not a demonstrable truth but a creed not subject to debate.

Yet the question remains valid:

Where is the scientific, historic or empirical evidence that the greater the racial, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of a nation, the stronger it becomes?

From recent decades, it seems more true to say the reverse: The more diverse a nation, the greater the danger of its disintegration.

Ethnic diversity, after all, tore apart our mighty Cold War rival, splintering the Soviet Union into 15 nations, three of which — Moldova, Ukraine, Georgia — have since split further along ethnic lines.

Russia had to fight two wars to hold onto Chechnya and prevent the diverse peoples of the North Caucasus from splitting off on ethnic grounds, as Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan had done.

Ethnic diversity then shattered Yugoslavia into seven separate nations.

And even as we proclaim diversity to be our greatest strength, nations everywhere are recoiling from it.

The rise of populism and nationalism across Europe is a reaction to the new diversity represented by the Arab, Asian and African millions who have lately come, and the tens of millions desperate to enter.

Center-left and center-right parties are losing ground in European elections because they are seen as feckless in meeting what more and more indigenous Europeans believe to be an existential threat — mass migration from across the Med.

Japan’s population has ceased to grow, and each year brings fewer toddlers into its schools. Yet Tokyo resists the racial and ethnic diversity greater immigration would bring. Why, if diversity is a strength?

What South Koreans dream of is uniting again with the 22 million separated members of their national family who live in the North, but share the same history and blood.

This summer, in its Basic Law, Israel declared itself an ethnonational state and national home of the Jewish people. African migrants crossing the Sinai to seek sanctuary in Israel are unwelcome.

Consider China, which seeks this century to surpass America as the first power on earth. Does Xi Jinping welcome a greater racial, ethnic and cultural diversity within his county as, say, Barack Obama does in ours?

In his western province of Xinjiang, Xi has set up an archipelago of detention camps. Purpose: Re-educate his country’s Uighurs and Kazakhs by purging them of their religious and tribal identities, and making them and their children more like Han Chinese in allegiance to the Communist Party and Chinese nation.

Xi fears that the 10 million Uighurs of Xinjiang, as an ethnic and religious minority, predominantly Muslim, wish to break away and establish an East Turkestan, a nation of their own, out of China. And he is correct.

What China is doing is brutalitarian. But what China is saying with its ruthless policy is that diversity — religious, racial, cultural — can break us apart as it did the USSR. And we are not going to let that happen.

Do the Buddhists of Myanmar cherish the religious diversity that the Muslim Rohingya of Rakhine State bring to their country?

America has always been more than an idea, an ideology or a propositional nation. It is a country that belongs to a separate and identifiable people with its own history, heroes, holidays, symbols, songs, myths, mores — its own culture.

Again, where is the evidence that the more Americans who can trace their roots to the Third World, and not to Europe, the stronger we will be?

Is the Britain of Theresa May, with its new racial, religious and ethnic diversity, a stronger nation than was the U.K. of Lloyd George, which ruled a fourth of mankind in 1920?

Was it not the unity Bismarck forged among the diverse Germanic peoples, bringing them into a single nation under the Kaiser in 1871, that made Germany a far stronger and more formidable power in Europe?

Empires, confederations and alliances are multiethnic and multicultural. And, inevitably, their diversity pulls them apart.

The British Empire was the greatest in modern history. What tore it apart? Tribalism, the demands of diverse peoples, rooted in blood and soil, to be rid of foreign rule and to have their own place in the sun.

And who are loudest in preaching that our diversity is our strength?

Are they not the same people who told us that democracy was the destiny of all mankind and that, as the world’s “exceptional nation,” we must seize the opportunity of our global preeminence to impose its blessings on the less enlightened tribes of the Middle East and Hindu Kush?

If the establishment is proven wrong about greater diversity bringing greater strength to America, there will be no do-over for the USA.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-09-14/pat-buchanan-unpardonable-heresy-tucker-carlson

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Strategist 2018 Sep 15, 8:30pm

bob2356 says

Strategist says
bob2356 says

They learned to live together in piece when? You never heard of WWI or WWII?

WTF. After WWII they have lived together in peace. Something magical about democracy.

Like the Yugoslavia thing?

Yugoslavia was a true democracy?

Strategist 2018 Sep 15, 8:34pm

bob2356 says

Obama is out of office since jan 2017. You didn't get the memo?

I got the memo, attached to my monthly statement from my stock broker.
I was thrilled.

CBOEtrader 2018 Sep 15, 10:31pm

marcus says

You didn't refute either one.

I gave you evidence that contradicts your assertion, which is more evidence than you have.

curious2 2018 Sep 16, 2:20am

marcus says

My argument was simple. 2 statements.

Your "argument" was simply wrong. For example, BLM started in 2013, before Donald Trump had even declared his candidacy for POTUS, so you can't blame him for identity politics on the left. As for racists, you had been making some of the most racist posts on PatNet for years before Donald Trump became a candidate. For example, you don't want to import white Nazis from Europe, but you do want to import brown Muslim/Nazis from MENA, because they're brown and the MSM (per Tony Podesta, registered foreign agent for KSA) tell you the "intelligent" and "progressive" thing to do is to import them.

While trolling, you ignore serious questions. For example, if importing African Muslims is such a good idea, why doesn't KSA import them? Africa has millions of black Muslims who could help to 'diversify' (in your superficial exclusively color-based view) Arabia, and yet KSA doesn't import them. Why not? I know the answer, but do you have even the ability to read and analyze the question?

lostand confused 2018 Sep 16, 5:08am

bob2356 says

Obama is out of office since jan 2017. You didn't get the memo? I guy called trump is president now and it's all better

he is working on it. He selected an imbecile Jeff Sessions who is just stupid. But the director, deputy director of FBI have all been fired and several key palyers of the coup have been forced to leave. He is getting there. My hope is after his brush he too will get onboard with criminal justice reform. That is one area I do not like with trump-his alw and order stance. WE need law and order-but they should serve the people, not the other waya round.

34 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 5:44am

lostand confused says

he is working on it. He selected an imbecile Jeff Sessions who is just stupid. But the director, deputy director of FBI have all been fired and several key palyers of the coup have been forced to leave. He is getting there. My hope is after his brush he too will get onboard with criminal justice reform. That is one area I do not like with trump-his alw and order stance. WE need law and order-but they should serve the people, not the other waya round.

What he is working on is emulating putin where the president orders and law enforcement does without those nice little legalities like the rule of law holding things up. I don't think I've ever liked anything Sessions stood for in the senate, but I am actually impressed at his standing by the rule of law at justice no matter how much it pisses off trump. who simply wants his own personal gestapo like all the other dictators he admires so much have.

Law and order is serving the people. Money launderers and tax evaders are going to jail. Are you saying they should be let off because they are friends of trump. Would that be serving the people?.

CBOEtrader 2018 Sep 16, 6:23am

bob2356 says

What he is working on is emulating putin where the president orders and law enforcement does without those nice little legalities like the rule of law holding things up.

Zero facts support this. You've been lied to.

lostand confused 2018 Sep 16, 6:55am

bob2356 says

What he is working on is emulating putin where the president orders and law enforcement does without those nice little legalities like the rule of law holding things up. I don't think I've ever liked anything Sessions stood for in the senate, but I am actually impressed at his standing by the rule of law at justice no matter how much it pisses off trump. who simply wants his own personal gestapo like all the other dictators he admires so much have.

Law and order is serving the people. Money launderers and tax evaders are going to jail. Are you saying they should be let off because they are friends of trump. Would that be serving the people?..

That is Obama who used the FBI like his own KGB/.
How is he emulating Putin, when the iG -an Obama appointee-recommended to terminate McCabe and called out Comey. The other fools ought to be in jail.
Manafort is a moneylauderer and tax evader-yes-but who did he work for when he did those crimes-Podestas. Trump fired manafort after he found out-Clinton kept the Podesta brother till the very end?

Clinton -how much Russian money cma ethrough her foundation-while she was at the state dept. She presented the reset button. Her husband made speech money in Russia. She paid millions to egt the Russian dossier that was used by the corrupt FBI udner Obama. Now that si laudering. Sessions is a scared wirless fool-after mid-terms Trump will geta real AG.

If Manafort is guilty-then his boss the Podesta will have to be looke dat-you don't get the underling and elave the boss alone. Already the southern NY district is looking at Obama white house council because eManafort gave him 4 million-this si going to get ugly- and just like metoo will nsare democrats.

Dems are too dumb-people who live in glas shouses and all. Once the podestas are ensnared-you think they care about the Clintons and their stupid foundation? Justw ait till the mid-terms.

of course you liberlas like session now-whatever Trump likes you hate and vice versa
The only thing that is like Putin is your boy Obama using the FBI like the KGB, or whateve rit si called now. Trump will be the greatest civil right icon of our time and Obama the biggest authoritarian, power hungry greedy pig of our time.

Booger 2018 Sep 16, 7:07am

Strategist 2018 Sep 16, 8:22am

I think Blacks are more racist than Whites.

39 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 8:36am

CBOEtrader says

Zero facts support this. You've been lied to.

ROFLOL. so trump lied to me with his tweets. If you say so.,

40 mell 2018 Sep 16, 9:24am

bob2356 says

Strategist says
bob2356 says

They learned to live together in piece when? You never heard of WWI or WWII?

WTF. After WWII they have lived together in peace. Something magical about democracy.

Like the Yugoslavia thing?

Small kerfluffles compared to the neverending wars in Africa and the middle-East and wherever they migrate. Note that the Albania Kosovo conflict was already a middle eastern conflict brought to Europe. Plus the eastern European conflicts were mostly a result of communism/leftoids suppressing any identity for too long and keeping regions together by force that didn't necessarily belong, so there was some delayed release of tensions. At the end of the day Europe and the US are prime examples of peaceful coexistence of most Caucasians. No need to bring assholes into the countries that can't live by our rules.

Strategist 2018 Sep 16, 11:29am

bob2356 says

Strategist says
bob2356 says

They learned to live together in piece when? You never heard of WWI or WWII?

WTF. After WWII they have lived together in peace. Something magical about democracy.

Like the Yugoslavia thing?

Yugoslavia was a democracy?

CBOEtrader 2018 Sep 16, 11:58am

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Zero facts support this. You've been lied to.

ROFLOL. so trump lied to me with his tweets. If you say so.,

Show us his tweet where he says he will be a tyrant. You are living in a fantasy Bob.

43 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 12:39pm

mell says

Small kerfluffles compared to the neverending wars in Africa and the middle-East and wherever they migrate. Note that the Albania Kosovo conflict was already a middle eastern conflict brought to Europe. Plus the eastern European conflicts were mostly a result of communism/leftoids suppressing any identity for too long and keeping regions together by force that didn't necessarily belong, so there was some delayed release of tensions.

Two world wars were a small kerfuffle? What's a big kerfuffle then? Ok so they are homogeneous and live in peace except when they don't but that doesn't count. Right. I got it. Just out of curiosity do you read what you write?

44 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 12:48pm

CBOEtrader says

Show us his tweet where he says he will be a tyrant. You are living in a fantasy Bob.

Nice strawman and shuffle totally off the subject. Try again.

45 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 12:50pm

Strategist says

Yugoslavia was a democracy?

Yugoslavia was European. That was the original point, how Europeans live in harmony and peace.

46 mell 2018 Sep 16, 1:31pm

bob2356 says

mell says
Small kerfluffles compared to the neverending wars in Africa and the middle-East and wherever they migrate. Note that the Albania Kosovo conflict was already a middle eastern conflict brought to Europe. Plus the eastern European conflicts were mostly a result of communism/leftoids suppressing any identity for too long and keeping regions together by force that didn't necessarily belong, so there was some delayed release of tensions.

Two world wars were a small kerfuffle? What's a big kerfuffle then? Ok so they are homogeneous and live in peace except when they don't but that doesn't count. Right. I got it. Just out of curiosity do you read what you write?

I was referring to Yugoslavia. WW2 pretty much involved most major nations across ethnicity culture and religion. They also weren't limited to Europe or the US only. WW1 maybe mostly a Caucasian affair. But 100 years have passed since, and back then there were conflicts everywhere at most times. The western world and parts of Asia have advanced in peace and stable societies since then, the rest hasn't.

CBOEtrader 2018 Sep 16, 1:52pm

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Show us his tweet where he says he will be a tyrant. You are living in a fantasy Bob.

Nice strawman and shuffle totally off the subject. Try again.

Bob you said Trumps tweets prove he is a tyrant. Show us where, or admit you are making stuff up.

MisdemeanorRebel 2018 Sep 16, 1:53pm

mell says

I was referring to Yugoslavia. WW2 pretty much involved most major nations across ethnicity culture and religion. They also weren't limited to Europe or the US only. WW1 maybe mostly a Caucasian affair. But 100 years have passed since, and back then there were conflicts everywhere at most times. The western world and parts of Asia have advanced in peace and stable societies since then, the rest hasn't.

Notice that Yugoslavia was the only major Central/Eastern European country that wasn't deliberately ethnically cleansed by the US/UK/USSR, with minority populations forced into majority countries, like Poles in Ukraine into Poland, or Germans into Germany/Austria from Czechoslovakia, Poland, the Netherlands, etc.

The best way to stop wars of revanchism is to relocate the minority into a majority country of their countrymen.

It's funny, but with the Sudan, South Africa, Arabstinians, Bangladesh, Rohingya, and of course Yugoslavia, Neoliberals want to not only resist partitioning land between ethnic neighbors, but think bringing in longstanding Civilizational Enemies into their Rival's nations is a cornerstone to creating World Peace. And if you don't agree, you're a Nazi.

CBOEtrader 2018 Sep 16, 1:56pm

bob2356 says

What he is working on is emulating putin where the president orders and law enforcement does without those nice little legalities like the rule of law holding things up.

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Zero facts support this. You've been lied to.

ROFLOL. so trump lied to me with his tweets. If you say so.,

bob2356 says

CBOEtrader says

Show us his tweet where he says he will be a tyrant. You are living in a fantasy Bob.

Nice strawman and shuffle totally off the subject. Try again.

Dodging and dodging and dodging. Show us what tweets exactly suggest Trump wants to be a tyrant.

I can show you a summary of evidence suggesting Obama/HRC's transgressions in using the intelligence community and DOJ for his political cronies. Look no further than the almost daily Strojk texts being released.

More arrests will be made as Sessions works his way up the corruption chain. This is exactly why the establishment is afraid of Trump.

50 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 4:43pm

CBOEtrader says

Dodging and dodging and dodging. Show us what tweets exactly suggest Trump wants to be a tyrant.

Funny how you quoted me than totally went strawman again. Here let's try it one more time.

CBOEtrader says

bob2356 says
What he is working on is emulating putin where the president orders and law enforcement does without those nice little legalities like the rule of law holding things up.

Ok I'm going with the assumption you skipped class the day they discussed tyrants. Idi Amin was a tyrant. Vlad III was a tyrant. Tokugawa Ieyasu was a tyrant. Nice how you went all strawman with that tyrant crap. Being a strong man leader ignoring or circumventing the rule of law isn't a synonym for tyrant. Putin, trumps idol, certainly isn't a tyrant. He is ruthless and considers the state power as his personal power. But he isn't sending millions of people to Siberia to die.

So cut the bullshit. Trump has tweeted time and time again about using the justice department, military, and security system in ways that are totally against the conventions of the US government, in some cases the constitution, and in some cases simply illegal. Not the first president to do it, but certainly the most blatant. Does he have the balls to fire sessions and start using the justice department as his personal fixer? We will see.

51 bob2356 2018 Sep 16, 4:54pm

CBOEtrader says

I can show you a summary of evidence suggesting Obama/HRC's transgressions in using the intelligence community and DOJ for his political cronies. Look no further than the almost daily Strojk texts being released.

More arrests will be made as Sessions works his way up the corruption chain. This is exactly why the establishment is afraid of Trump.

We will see. So far there hasn't even been an investigation opened after 18 months. At this rate more arrests will happen sometime in the 23rd century. Pretty funny that a republican president, house, senate, ag, fbi head, justice head, cia head, special investigator, hell even the NSA head, the heads of the whole alphabet soup of spookdom, and 33 republican controlled states are all coming together to cover up for hillary clinton. Do you read what you write?

Booger 2019 May 1, 5:43am

Al_Sharpton_for_President 2019 May 1, 7:00am

bob2356 says

So cut the bullshit. Trump has tweeted time and time again about using the justice department, military, and security system in ways that are totally against the conventions of the US government

Oh, bob, put sock in it, already. Both parties confirmed Wall Street criminal Hank Paulson to be Treasury Secretary. He headed up Goldman Sachs during that period of the record GS fraud settlement. 99% of citizens were opposed to the Wall Street bailout, and yet it didn't matter. It's Kabuki theater. So, please, don't pretend otherwise with puffed up indignation.

marcus 2019 May 1, 7:17am

MisterLefty says

Where is the scientific, historic or empirical evidence that the greater the racial, ethnic, cultural and religious diversity of a nation, the stronger it becomes?

Our diversity is increasing, regardless of whether you think it's such a great question, it's up to us to make it a big positive.

I can't prove it, but my experience and observations tell me that up to some point more diversity is good. But that it may be possible to take it too far.

But then things probably naturally move towards some happy medium. Certainly there are many examples in America of conflict between neighborhoods that didn't get along, followed by periods of assimilation where some of the differences are retained and a more diverse overall group develops that forget about previous conflicts and problems with a larger group identity formed.

There must be a lot of examples both ways in nature. Being a positive or a negative. Things can be lost and new attributes can evolve.

Rin 2019 May 1, 10:23am

First of all, this issue is really about Islam. Islam does not assimilate period!

There were plenty of refugees from Vietnam and Cambodia who are now assimilated into American life and do not pose as some sectarian force, trying to rip the nation apart along racial/ethnic/religious lines.

So if the so-called sectarian types, see the Boston Bombers and their Muslim ilk don't drop their religion and assimilate, they can emigrate to Malaysia and place their bombs on Thai Buddhist temples and continue their jihad elsewhere where their central religious govt will clandestinely support their actions.

MisdemeanorRebel 2019 May 1, 10:30am

marcus says

Our diversity is increasing, regardless of whether you think it's such a great question, it's up to us to make it a big positive.

This is the Globalization canard, which encompasses Cheap Labor ("Free Flow of People" / "Diversity"), Native Population Replacement by Colonialist Migrants ("Diversity"), and Outsourcing ("Free Trade")

It began as "It's a good thing, why we can't say but it's good."
Once that no longer sells and people are sufficiently skeptical, it became "Well, it's happening and it's a force of nature that's unstoppable."

Which is a lie.

Both the Diversity and Globalization pushes happened by deliberate lobbying and manipulation of politics and the public. Entirely man made by a coterie of interest groups.

Both are easily stopped, since Congress has the power of Tariffs, Regulation, and control of Immigration. They literally can be stopped in minutes with a vote on the Floor of Congress.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut 2019 May 1, 4:37pm

i'm pretty sure historically it's opposite of what liberals think about diversity results.

Shaman 2019 May 1, 6:42pm

One of my only black friends died yesterday, after a long struggle with cancer. Great guy, I will miss him.

HeadSet 2019 May 1, 7:07pm

Quigley says

One of my only black friends died yesterday, after a long struggle with cancer. Great guy, I will miss him.

Cancer is hideous. My condolences.

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