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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 21, 7:14pm
Patrick says
And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?
Uh, what do you think happens to the wages of the poor if their area gets flooded by illegals willing to work for less than the minimum wage?
And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?
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HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 7:32pm
HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 7:32pm
As a uniter and not a divider, I would like to point out a policy I think we can all agree on:
LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?
LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?
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HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 7:38pm
HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 7:38pm
Automation drives wealth to the top and starves the bottom. Government's job should be to counteract this natural tendency of capitalism.
That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.
That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 21, 7:44pm
HeadSet says
No, it is not. It is a fact. The cost savings from automation accrue to the owners. This isn't a moral judgment, it's reality. And I'm not advocating that we stop progress, only that we need to acknowledge the side effects of it and develop policies to counteract those effects.
Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.
That is the definition of a Luddite. Beside, all sectors of US society are richer now than they ever were, and we are more automated now than we have ever been.
No, it is not. It is a fact. The cost savings from automation accrue to the owners. This isn't a moral judgment, it's reality. And I'm not advocating that we stop progress, only that we need to acknowledge the side effects of it and develop policies to counteract those effects.
Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:47pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:47pm
HeadSet says
Yes, absolutely.
LeonDurham, barrister, Jazz_music, rocketmanjoe, Patrick, Goran_K, Aphroman - are we all for the rigid enforcement of E-Verify?
Yes, absolutely.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:55pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 21, 8:55pm
LeonDurham says
A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.
And what happens to the wages of people making the things that the illegals consume?
A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.
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HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 9:00pm
HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 9:00pm
Real wages for the bottom 50% of Americans have been flat for 40 years while income for the top 1% has grown exponentially.
And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.
And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.
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HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 9:12pm
HeadSet
2018 Sep 21, 9:12pm
Rocketmanjoe says
For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?
Patrick saysA large fraction
How large?
A larger amount is remitted by legal immigrants and H2B visa holders like the ones who work at Trump's Mar a Lago.
For the H2B and legal immigrants to be remitting more money to Mexico, there must be more of them than illegals. But don't illegals vastly outnumber the legal immigrants?
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 22, 7:30am
Patrick says
I imagine it's a similar fraction as what gets saved by US citizens. Bottom line--illegals consume and produce.
HeadSet says
Maybe a small part, but like I said-illegals consume as well as produce. Does having babies cause wages to go down?
And I'm fine with E-Verify. It's not perfect, but fine with me
A large fraction of the wages of illegals goes not to consumption, but straight to Mexico as remittances.
I imagine it's a similar fraction as what gets saved by US citizens. Bottom line--illegals consume and produce.
HeadSet says
And you do not think that allowing millions of unskilled illegal immigrants over that 40 years has anything to do with it? If it was all about "automation," then those illegals would not have found work. And if you really wanted to develop a policy to deal with this, then rigid E-Verify is an obvious choice.
Maybe a small part, but like I said-illegals consume as well as produce. Does having babies cause wages to go down?
And I'm fine with E-Verify. It's not perfect, but fine with me
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 10:35am
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 10:35am
Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.
http://www.cairco.org/issues/remittances
http://www.cairco.org/issues/remittances
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 22, 10:41am
Patrick says
Mostly not true-they pay the taxes that support police. They ship home what Americans save. Consumption is mostly the same.
Illegals not only knock down wages for the poorest Americans, they also greatly increase the strain on police and emergency rooms without paying, and then drain billions by simply shipping it home.
Mostly not true-they pay the taxes that support police. They ship home what Americans save. Consumption is mostly the same.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 12:46pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 12:46pm
Rocketmanjoe says
Yes, the "melting pot" is exactly what made the country great!
Think about it: the melting pot melts down the previous identity and creates a new one. America took people from everywhere, and made them into Americans.
The "diversity" was recognized as the primary danger to our unity as a country, and so the diversity was deliberately erased by the melting pot.
Diversity = Death
Then why the term "melting pot" diversity is what made this country great. Don't let anyone tell you different
Yes, the "melting pot" is exactly what made the country great!
Think about it: the melting pot melts down the previous identity and creates a new one. America took people from everywhere, and made them into Americans.
The "diversity" was recognized as the primary danger to our unity as a country, and so the diversity was deliberately erased by the melting pot.
Diversity = Death
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 12:48pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 12:48pm
Rocketmanjoe says
They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.
As soon as the various subgroups asserted other identities, the center could not hold, and it fell apart.
But as long as the subgroups felt they were part of the whole, not separate groups, the empire prospered.
Patrick saysThey recognized that the whole enterprise would fall apart without a strong group identity.
And yet they still feel apart.
They succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.
As soon as the various subgroups asserted other identities, the center could not hold, and it fell apart.
But as long as the subgroups felt they were part of the whole, not separate groups, the empire prospered.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 1:25pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 1:25pm
Lol, yes, I'm "literally Hitler" now because I would like to see more unity as Americans.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law
there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that, when a Hitler comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever made the comparison loses whatever debate is in progress.[7] This principle is itself frequently referred to as Godwin's law.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 1:29pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 1:29pm
Rocketmanjoe says
Weren't you just saying that the melting pot is what shaped this country?
(Woah, comment 420 dude!)
Diversity is what shaped this country
Weren't you just saying that the melting pot is what shaped this country?
(Woah, comment 420 dude!)
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Bd6r
2018 Sep 22, 1:32pm
Bd6r
2018 Sep 22, 1:32pm
Patrick says
That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.
I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own packing and construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals. American workers meanwhile see the wages stagnate because Masters can buy an extra yacht..
knock down wages for the poorest Americans
That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.
I am sure that The Masters of Universe (TM) who own packing and construction industries are all for higher profit margins due to employment of illegals. American workers meanwhile see the wages stagnate because Masters can buy an extra yacht..
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FortWayne
2018 Sep 22, 1:41pm
FortWayne
2018 Sep 22, 1:41pm
Stalin was against Capitalism. Do u think he was onto something? Or do you prefer the workers socialist party?
See we can all draw parallels.
Rocketmanjoe says
See we can all draw parallels.
Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick saysThey succeeded only as long as "diversity" did not infect the empire.
That's not how it worked out for Hitler, you remember him? He really was against diversity.
So you think Hitler was on to something? That's what it's sounding like to me.
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 22, 1:42pm
dr6B says
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
That is probably a sufficient argument for stopping illegal immigration.
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
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Bd6r
2018 Sep 22, 1:45pm
Bd6r
2018 Sep 22, 1:45pm
LeonDurham says
Then it is simple indeed. Instead of arguing about minute details, we all agree that a) need to introduce E-Verify, b) prison times for employers of illegals, whether for chicken processing plant owners or people who hire illegals for mowing lawns, and c) if police catch an illegal, they deport xe.
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
Then it is simple indeed. Instead of arguing about minute details, we all agree that a) need to introduce E-Verify, b) prison times for employers of illegals, whether for chicken processing plant owners or people who hire illegals for mowing lawns, and c) if police catch an illegal, they deport xe.
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HeadSet
2018 Sep 22, 1:57pm
HeadSet
2018 Sep 22, 1:57pm
Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from?
Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?
Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 2:07pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 2:07pm
LeonDurham says
Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:
* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition, at the expense of US citizens
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"
https://www.lifezette.com/2016/06/do-democrats-support-illegal-immigration/
As if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:
* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition, at the expense of US citizens
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"
Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.
In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents of mass immigration have even begun calling illegal aliens “undocumented Americans” or “undocumented citizens.” Of course, they are neither American nor American citizens, but this is of little consequence to proponents of mass migration. “No human being is illegal,” claimed Ramos in an interview with Chris Cuomo.
https://www.lifezette.com/2016/06/do-democrats-support-illegal-immigration/
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 22, 2:12pm
Patrick says
Nope. They all support border security. Claiming Dems don't support defense of our southern border is an outright lie.
Most Democrats directly support and encourage illegal immigration by:
Nope. They all support border security. Claiming Dems don't support defense of our southern border is an outright lie.
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mell
2018 Sep 22, 2:15pm
HeadSet says
America prospered most when primarily Caucasian with a limited number of primarily Caucasian and Asian immigrants. Also those immigrants overcame real adversities without whining or pissing on the flag uniting under the American identity. Like the Irish or Italian who now have to make a bid to keep Columbus day because of leftoid idiocy. No country with majority unassimilated diversity has ever succeeded. Those that take in so many immigrants that they reach majority diversity need to make sure the immigrants are tribally compatible and integrate into the country's identity faster than new immigrants arrive and they need to strictly enforce existing laws to swiftly kick out those undermining the system. Otherwise it's lights out.
#MAGA
Show me a time when Americans haven't celebrated their roots? Have you forgotten where your family came from?
Like St Patrick's Day? Lots of celebrations all over, but how many actually can speak any Gaelic?
America prospered most when primarily Caucasian with a limited number of primarily Caucasian and Asian immigrants. Also those immigrants overcame real adversities without whining or pissing on the flag uniting under the American identity. Like the Irish or Italian who now have to make a bid to keep Columbus day because of leftoid idiocy. No country with majority unassimilated diversity has ever succeeded. Those that take in so many immigrants that they reach majority diversity need to make sure the immigrants are tribally compatible and integrate into the country's identity faster than new immigrants arrive and they need to strictly enforce existing laws to swiftly kick out those undermining the system. Otherwise it's lights out.
#MAGA
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mell
2018 Sep 22, 2:16pm
Patrick says
LeonDurham saysAs if there are people who support illegal immigration? Who is arguing for it?
Most Democrats directly support and approve of illegal immigration by:
* granting government benefits to illegals, such as free tuition
* refusal to support ICE's defense of our southern border, to the degree that ICE employees and their families have been attacked
* refusal to even utter the correct legal term: "illegal alien"Illegal alien was dropped eventually for illegal immigrant, but even that wasn’t enough for the P.C. police in the Democratic Party. Now, we are told, they are in fact “undocumented immigrants.” Undocumented, of course, sounds as if the only thing separating them from legal immigrants is a few bits of paper that old Uncle Sam just forgot to give them.
In a shameless perversion of both fact and language, some of the more extreme proponents o...
Correct.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 2:26pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 2:26pm
mell says
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:
1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race
Russia did harm America by dividing us. Diversity made it easy for them.
The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.
Otherwise it's lights out.
Facebook's head of advertising, Rob Goldman, got in a shitload of trouble for:
1. disproving that the Russians had placed any ads to influence the presidential election
2. proving that the Russians did indeed place many ads after the election deliberately to stir up divisive diversity issues, like race
Russia did harm America by dividing us. Diversity made it easy for them.
The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 22, 3:02pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2018 Sep 22, 3:02pm
Patrick says
It's also time to get State Universities to require Western Civ courses again. Western Civ i & II, plus a course in Western Philosophy and Science.
How many Liberal Arts majors know who Humphrey Davies or John Locke are? While they say that 32 Genders = Science, POCs must be segregated, and Chemistry is from Arabia (it isn't, in fact the word itself is Greek - Khemia - "To Pour Together".).
People have no clue that 95% of everything was invented by Westerners in the past 200-300 years. Clearly the superior civilization, and something to be proud of.
The solution is simple: stop promoting the harmful and divisive diversity agenda, and instead concentrate on unity as Americans of many origins. What we can really be proud of is assimilating people from all cultures, accepting and making Americans out of them so that their American identity is their primary identity.
It's also time to get State Universities to require Western Civ courses again. Western Civ i & II, plus a course in Western Philosophy and Science.
How many Liberal Arts majors know who Humphrey Davies or John Locke are? While they say that 32 Genders = Science, POCs must be segregated, and Chemistry is from Arabia (it isn't, in fact the word itself is Greek - Khemia - "To Pour Together".).
People have no clue that 95% of everything was invented by Westerners in the past 200-300 years. Clearly the superior civilization, and something to be proud of.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 3:13pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 22, 3:13pm
Rocketmanjoe says
Because he wanted to keep his job.
People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.
If what he said was true, then why did he apologize?
Because he wanted to keep his job.
People get fired for telling the truth all the time, especially in Silicon Valley. Case of James Damore in point.
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FortWayne
2018 Sep 23, 8:30am
FortWayne
2018 Sep 23, 8:30am
Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.
Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.
Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.
Rocketmanjoe says
Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.
Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.
Rocketmanjoe says
Patrick saysDiversity weakens a country
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?
So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?
Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selection of brands.
Wouldn't it suck if you only had one stain of weed to choose from? But, no you don't, you have a diverse selection to choose from and that is what makes America great.
Diversity makes America great.
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their te...
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mell
2018 Sep 23, 9:34am
Aphroman says
lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.
lol they do. You must have missed the countless news about companies paying farmers, bakery employees and construction workers more now that they can't find illegals ready to hire. This was a huge Trump success.
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mell
2018 Sep 23, 9:40am
FortWayne says
Variety of restaurants isn’t our strength.
Other countries have that too, yet still shitholes.
Diversity exists in shithole nations just the same. There is no benefit. It’s just neutral for most part. And destructive when it gets out of hand.
Rocketmanjoe saysPatrick saysDiversity weakens a country
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ... We have many diverse types of food to choose from. Wouldn't it suck if we didn't have a diverse selection of restaurants to choose from?
So why does our diversity of restaurants make this country weak?
Next, shoes. Wouldn't it suck if the only shoes we could buy are NIKE? Luckily we are able to choose from a diverse selec...
Correct. Iceland doesn't have a large variety of ethnic food yet it's one of the safest countries due to very little ethnic diversity but relatively high intellect and education.
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CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 23, 10:53am
CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 23, 10:53am
Rocketmanjoe says
Noone but the progressives, "You are appropriating other cultures' food", have a problem w exotic foods.
@patrick Do you ever go out to eat? Do you only go to American restaurants? Me and my wife we go out to eat, we eat at Korean, Chinese, Italian, Mexican ...
Noone but the progressives, "You are appropriating other cultures' food", have a problem w exotic foods.
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Patrick
2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm
Patrick
2018 Sep 23, 12:36pm
Rocketmanjoe says
@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:
http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
patrick what diversity is it that you speak of that is tearing American apart?
@Rocketmanjoe Please read the article:
http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/
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CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Sep 23, 3:00pm
Aphroman says
"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
Only if you pretend that business would pay higher wages to Americans if only we eliminated illegals.
As if the unemployed Americans would do those jobs, and as if business is ready to pay them more simply for being Americans.
"According to a former consultant to the bakery, MSI paid the black workers $14 an hour, versus the $10 an hour the Mexican workers were making through Labor Network."
https://chicago.suntimes.com/business/at-major-northwest-side-bakery-labor-issues-pit-blacks-vs-hispanics/
Ohhh idk is a 40% wage increase substantial? The factory is happy to employe $10 illegals. Crackdowns and a wall would result in enormous support for trump amongst all working class Americans. Blacks and latino american citizens will continue to get behind trump in huge numbers
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LeonDurham
2018 Sep 24, 8:23am
Yep-Trump's "tax cut" was about as big of a middle finger to the working class as I've ever seen.
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WookieMan
2018 Sep 24, 8:57am
WookieMan
2018 Sep 24, 8:57am
Rocketmanjoe says
I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)
I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.
Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
Politics have divided us. Keeping us from uniting as Americans. If people would just be honest and not just side with their team, speak up when they agree with someone not on their team, this would go along way to unite us. I'm pretty sure I've seen some do this here but few and far between. I agree that politics is what is dividing us but don't agree it is diversity.
I generally agree with what you're saying here and get your point of view, but did you go to college? That's not meant as an insult, serious question. And where? (Don't have to give exact school, maybe conference if it was a bigger school as my goal is to not dox anyone)
I went to UIC (University of IL Chicago). They were sooooooo proud of their diversity. You know what the campus looked like? The blacks had their group and would all hang. The whites would all hang out with the other whites. Asians with Asians, etc. Humans self segregate, for good or bad. It's just what we do. And in Chicago, many of these people have their own cultural "way of life" and they segregate themselves into their own large neighborhood or "micro" neighborhoods because that's what they WANT.
Diversity is forced and doesn't actually exist, which I think is what Patrick is somewhat getting at (tell me if I'm wrong). It's a social construct that is being forced on people to shame them for not hanging out with the black guy or the asian dude or the lesbian. My motto is hang out with who you want and everyone else that has a problem with that can go fuck themselves. Don't hate others, which there's no reason to, and we can all have a good time. Don't tell me though that I'm bad for not having a black or asian friend though, because that is what diversity has become. It's not about melting anything anymore.
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Patrick
2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm
Patrick
2018 Oct 22, 7:18pm
Thanks, would not be hard.
What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
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CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm
CBOEtrader
2018 Oct 22, 7:34pm
Patrick says
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
Thanks, would not be hard.
What would gilding do exactly? Make the post more prominent? Gold border?
I'd have it stick to the top of the page as one scrolls through, so that everyone must read the gilded post as context for any thread. Want a new gilded post? Just outbid the last guy
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2. Do not deliberately insult the site. It's free to use and does not even have ads.
3. Do not misquote people.
4. Do not post porn except in the tits thread. No actual sex and no homo porn please.
5. If you feel you must post racist or anti-semitic jokes, please put them in the political incorrectness thread.
6. Do not post illegal content, unless the US law making the content illegal is itself clearly unconstitutional. In that case, please do post it!
7. Do not threaten another user with violence or you will be quickly and permanently banned.
8. Do not post spam.
9. Do not promote the obviously ineffective and very dangerous toxxine. Millions have died from it, far more than from the virus.
If you're wondering why your comment was flagged, please click the "edit" link on it. It should be pretty obvious when you read your own words again. If you think there was a mistake about the content being flagged, please write p@patrick.net When you edit and save your own flagged comment, it will go back into moderation where it will get reviewed by a moderator again.
If you're suspicious that comments are flagged for political reasons, note that you can actually see any flagged comment in the html source of that page. Use "View Source" in your browser. Yes, it's inconvenient, but that's deliberate, to keep those comments out of the conversation stream.
Please use this effective debate technique:
1. State your opponent's position so that he agrees with it 100%. This is so that you argue against what your opponent is really saying.
2. State points of agreement, and anything you learned from your opponent.
3. Give your reasoning for why your opponent is mistaken.
4. Make it clear that you are attacking only the point and not the person.
Site Functionality
If you ignore another user, you will not see that user's threads or comments. To see whom you're ignoring and to unignore, look on your edit profile page.
To get another user's attention, mention that user in a comment with an @ character prepended to his username ( for example @Patrick ) and then he will get an email of that comment, unless he has emails turned off.
If you type or paste in an image URL ending in .jpg, .png, or .gif it will be converted into the visible image in a thread or comment. You can also upload images, mp3 audio, mp4 video, and pdfs (under 10MB) from your local computer.
You may not post large sections of copyrighted material unless you have explicit permission from the copyright owner. But excerpts for discussion are fine, and in fact protected by law.
If you include an embed video url from Rumble, Bitchute, Vimeo, NewTube, or BrandNewTube, the thread or comment will display the video. Please try to avoid YouTube urls, since YouTube routinely censors or demonetizes politically incorrect videos, such as those about the dangers of the toxxine.
These basic html tags all work in threads and comments: a audio b blockquote br code del font hr i iframe img li ol p strike sub sup u ul video vsmall
You can surround a word or phrase with the * character to make it bold, or the _ character to make it italic, or surround a word with - to
strikeit, or you can just use the b or the i or the strike html tag.Searching
Prepend + to require a word or - to exclude it: +Tunnel -Sky
Search for phrases by putting them in quotes: "Tunnel in the Sky"
Search for the beginning of a word by appending the star character: Tunne*
Shortcuts
^t will jump to the text input box at the bottom of a thread
^s will jump to the search box at the top of each page
^f will open your file select menu to let you select an image or pdf to insert in the text box
If you click "pin" at the top of a thread, it will get saved to your pinned list. For example, here is patrick's pinned list
There is a thread for each zip code in the US. You can have local discussions there about anything, or you can post things for sale, etc. To find the thread for a zip code, just do a search for the town name or zip code.
I also have a list of all US Congressmen as separate threads, where you are encouraged to comment on how good of a job you think they're doing:
https://patrick.net/post/1377838/2022-11-29-us-congressmen-lists