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Quigley says

marcus says

I've never heard anyone generalize that all Trump voters are racist.

Hah! You’ve done that yourself!

That's a lie, but I'm not surprised. Like Trump, lies are like oxygen to many Trump supporters. They just can't live without their lies.

Speaking of lies.

DASKAA says

marcus says

Zimmerman caused a young man's death, for no good reason.

Except that young man laid his hands on Zim first. For no good reason.

We don't know that. All we know for sure is that Zimmerman came up on Martin in the dark of night, and according to Zimmerman demanded that he wait for the police. We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story. He was instructed to wait and not to pursue. We know with 100% certainty that if it was murder, Zimmerman would have a story like this. IT's second degree murder at least. If his story is true, that's his problem for coming up on Martin in the first place armed and ready to kill.

This is the guy whose story you believe. I'm sure race has nothing to do with you finding this psycho asshole credible. Something like 10 public recorded incidents since the Martin killing showing how unhinged he is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Zimmerman

CovfefeButDeadly says

I highly suspect you will not respond to the posting by Curious. I would if someone disparaged me in that manner. Of course, its not disparaging if its factually true.

I have him on ignore, but I saw it (sort of - didn't read the whole thing). He's obsessed with me.

IF you think that what I say sounds that unreasoned as he says, I'm not going to get in an infinite argument defending my point of view. Feel free to take issue to something specific I say, if you want a response.

I didn't read his nonsense very closely, but I saw he said something like I'm just upset becasue I failed at trading. Wtf ?

I feel sorry for the guy. He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past. In my view he's possibly most emotionally dysfunctional person on Patrick.net. His posts about me are almost 100% lies. I'm not going to go back and look at it. I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment).

Honestly, I just feel sorry for the guy at this point. I hope he gets much needed help.

marcus says

He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past... His posts about me are almost 100% lies... I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment).

Please look up the words "lie" and "true". As you admit, what I said was true. If you can cite examples of lies, or even where you have "corrected" me about anything, please post. I can easily cite examples of your many emotional explosions insulting many PatNet users, including name-calling and profanity. You deleted a whole thread where I proved you wrong about a rule of math, which you claim (incredibly) to teach. It appears that you call a "lie" any true fact that you dislike, but that isn't what "lie" means.

For examples of actual lies, look at your own baseless accusations against me. You fail even at pretending to ignore me. Most of my comments have nothing to do with you, but on any occasion when I bother to point out one or more of your many errors, your cognitive dissonance impels you to try to 'retaliate' by fabricating false accusations, aka lies.

marcus says

We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story

What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.

if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?

Most people I know who have a brain and 1. don't work for government 2. isn't a foreigner 3. isn't in HUD housing, food stamps, etc. voted for Trump.

The poor blacks know they are competing with foreigners for 1 govt. services 2. jobs

The "working class" people know they pay taxes to put the illegals' kids in school. This just happened in my small town; they raised property taxes to "pay for schools". I just drove by the local school and the kids in the field running around were largely children of illegals. Yeah, I can tell by how they look and that's not being "racist".

The self-employed wanted to repeal Obamacare mostly. Self-employed people are probably the most aware of the tax code and how it affects them also. The self-employed knew Hillary was going to keep fucking them over.

Many tech people were "outsourced" in the USA by H1-B visas from India, etc. Disney World and Compaq are examples I know of. Many professional people are concerned with an influx of foreign workers.

Simply put; importing workers impoverishes most Americans and lowers our standard of living and wages.

More astute voters would realize that importing foreigners and giving them access to free health care will further bankrupt the USA.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

marcus says

We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story

What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.

if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?

Martin was a thug and had it coming for him. Facts don't lie. The media does.

Left has been really trying to hide economic issues, and promoting all attention to "save the gays, trannies and feminists". Party was taken over by stupid. Of course they lost. Especially when people come with economic woes, and liberals ignore these.

NPR went out of their way to make sure all conversation was about increasing taxes to save the golden pension system for government, fuck the private sector employees who can barely afford taxes.

MegaForce says

While other nations are patently SCREWED if they are cut off from trade with the US or if the world trading system we set up but are not abandoning (irrespective of whomever is in the WH...Trump is just accelerating the process and undiplomatically shitting openly over the rest of the world about it while doing so).

Correct. The list of things the US can't produce at all or in quantities is very limited.

The only big ticket item necessary for daily life we have to import is Coffee, since Hawaii couldn't begin to supply the daily need. And maybe Bananas.

From Iron to Oil, from Coal to Cars, from Soybeans to Superconductors, from Borax to Beef, the US is or has been and could easilly be, self-sufficient.

Democratic party voices summarized: "Regulate, regulate, restrict, restrict, LGBT rights, regulate, regulate, tax, tax, tax, tax, government unions are holy, tax, tax, tax, if you disagree with us you are a bigot racist bad person, disagreement is a thought crime".

That's a good reason why they lost.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

The only big ticket item necessary for daily life we have to import is Coffee, since Hawaii couldn't begin to supply the daily need. And maybe Bananas.

California grows coffee, although at higher cost. Hawaii and Puerto Rico can grow bananas.

MegaForce says

Or simply just do without, like French wine.

California grows wine too, even sparkling wine with grapes from Champagne. Chandon sparkling wine is made the French way by Moët & Chandon, using the same grapes. California is a truly amazing place, contrary to what some comments on PatNet might have you believe.

MegaForce says

Or simply just do without, like French wine.

German Beer and French Wine should be banned from importation until the agree to accept our Poultry. This has gone on since the 50s, long before Factory Farm Chicken, Europeans were tariffing the hell out of our agra products. It's time to just ban their crap, only pain will ensure compliance with Free Trade.

Speaking of Panera, I'm sitting in one right now. They want $5 for soup? Haha...not happening.

Patrick says

He added, “Trump is a human hand grenade to blow up a society that isn’t working for big swatches of America.”

More like a middle finger. He's good at being a middle finger.

APHAman says

mell says

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

marcus says

We don't know what happened and have absolutely zero reason to believe Zimmerman's story

What reason do we have to believe Martin, who previously burgled a house? Either that, or some other burglar stored the jewelry he stole in Martin's High School Locker which he somehow could access, and that Martin's pictures of himself with several hundred dollar bills are from him, uh, I have no idea.

if he stole from one house, how do we know he wasn't casing another house?

Martin was a thug and had it coming for him. Facts don't lie. The media does.

How do you know that he was a thug who had it coming to him? I could say the same about the pussy that murdered him, for certain.

This has been discussed and proven ad nauseam. Martin had a checkered past, was in the gated community Zim thought to protect and threw the first of many punches. Case closed.

mell says

Zim thought to protect

Media even invented a new racial term - "white Hispanic" after they discovered that Zimmerman is a Hispanic, because an oppressed Hispanic could not have shot a black guy

d6rB says

mell says

Zim thought to protect

Media even invented a new racial term - "white Hispanic" after they discovered that Zimmerman is a Hispanic, because an oppressed Hispanic could not have shot a black guy

Right. And it was easy for them since the last name wouldn't give it away. Also blacks are more oppressed on the leftist plantation than Hispanics. They also omitted a lengthy part of convo with the operator so that it sounded like "he's black, they are up to no good" or something like that when in reality the description was completely disassociated from the "up to no good" comment as it happened much earlier in the convo, but by editing the tape and cutting out the stuff in the middle they concocted their racially motivated crime. That was sort of a turning point for the eventually failed last ditch efforts to keep honesty in the mainstream media, and fake news became completely acceptable.

Patrick says

So the real cause, which liberals won't admit, is simply that millions of jobs have been exported to China, and millions of illegals have been imported from Mexico.

Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds. This is about as antipodal to socialism as you can get. Tragically funny to watch Trump voters blame "the socialist left" for the actions of capitalism, while aiding and abetting the capitalist oligarchs like good useful idiots.

As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location while ignoring jobsites like construction and meat packing where hundreds could be caught per location.

Tell us, what is the point of the gratuitous "that liberals won't admit" if not to assist nonliberals in not admitting their own gross misunderstanding of the issues and resulting complicity in the problems mentioned?

Automan Empire says

Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds. This is about as antipodal to socialism as you can get. Tragically funny to watch Trump voters blame "the socialist left" for the actions of capitalism, while aiding and abetting the capitalist oligarchs like good useful idiots.

As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location w...

dog and pony show, both sides unite to screw over blue collar workers. I still have not seen a good explanation from the Right why the E-verify has not been introduced. From left, what I hear is that "no human being is illegal" which does not help either

d6rB says

dog and pony show, both sides unite to screw over blue collar workers. I still have not seen a good explanation from the Right why the E-verify has not been introduced. From left, what I hear is that "no human being is illegal" which does not help either

There is no excuse. The GOPe, the Flake, Ryan, and Mittens types, are as equally dedicated to no E-Verify as the Democrats.

Automan Empire says

Liberals don't send jobs to China, and Liberals have been the ones warning about the consequences to American workers and wages when plants are literally dismantled and shipped to China machines and all. Capitalists, virtually all of them GOP voters and donors, are the ones shipping the jobs and pocketing the proceeds

"Those Manufacturing Jobs aren't coming back".

They didn't vanish, they went to China. Dems literally did nothing when they controlled the House to retaliate for Chinese unfair trade practices. They threw money at GM with no mandate that they save US jobs first, for example.

Their Chinese and Big Tech Company donors (esp. Amazon) wouldn't allow that.

Automan Empire says

As for immigration, leaving the system broken as-is benefits oligarchs as well. Liberals are less about "bring in economic immigrants" than they are about "Don't lay the blame at the feet of the people who want the jobs while ignoring the traitorous Americans offering them under the table." Notice the way they showboat these stings of individual 7-11 stores that use a lot of resources and manpower to bust 1-2 illegals per location while ignoring jobsites like construction and meat packing where hundreds could be caught per location.

Democrats also didn't fix the "Investor" scam, where one family member buys a service company, gets a visa and tax benefit, then sells it on to another family member once the tax benefits expire and the citizenship is permanent. Gas Stations, Convenience Stores, and "less than 40 Room Hotels" across the country, none of which require international capital to function and almost all were pre-existing enterprises when pruchased by an "investor" from South Asia.

Patrick says

So the real cause, which liberals won't admit, is simply that millions of jobs have been exported to China, and millions of illegals have been imported from Mexico.

This isn't new. It's been going on for decades regardless of who is in power. So far I'm unconvinced that Trump is actually accomplishing anything to counter the trend. If Trump can get something vaguely resembling a balanced budget and finalized trade deals, and still see decent employment numbers, then I'm on board with Team Trump. Right now all I'm seeing is big time Keynsian deficit spending combined with low interest rates goosing the economy.

Fortwaynemobile says

fuck the private sector employees who can barely afford taxes.

Public sector employees can't afford taxes any more than private sector employees, and they usually make less.

Arguing for public sector compensation to be lowered is exactly what the oligarchs want you to argue.. Because then after = they lower our pay, they can cut private sector pay more too. It's a race to the bottom. Funny you guys are always accusing liberal of being envious of the rich. Sounds like projection.


mell says

Facts don't lie

Yes right. BY your reasoning, if he had ever done any type of criminal behavior, as a teen, then he deserved to have a seriously emotionally challenged drug addict come up on him and instigate a fight and then kill him.

Speaking of facts. You clearly have never perused the facts on Zimmermean. Now that guy fits the description of a thug.

MY theory is that Zimmerman's neighborhood watch role was a cover for his burglery activities to cover his coke (or what ever his speedy drug of choice was). Killing Martin was a way for him to direct attention away from himself for the crimes he had committed.

https://www.actionnewsjax.com/news/local/george-zimmerman-threatens-to-feed-man-to-gator-over-trayvon-martin-movie-deputies-say/745430416

https://newsone.com/2016433/george-zimmerman-drugs/

marcus says

Speaking of facts.

marcus says

Public sector employees can't afford taxes any more than private sector employees, and they usually make less.

Facts.... OK, since you asked:

...."Overall, total compensation for federal workers was 17 percent higher, on average, than for comparable workers in the private sector during 2011-2015, CBO found. It was 16 percent higher for the period of 2005-2010, the budget office found in its earlier study.

The cost of providing benefits for federal civilian workers from 2011-2015 was estimated to be 47 percent higher on average than for comparable private sector employees."

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefits/2017/04/overall-public-private-sector-compensation-gap-has-widened-cbo-finds/137324/

Still think public sector makes "less"?

MrMagic says

total compensation

There is also less accountability. Government jobs tend to be staff jobs, and subject to the psychological dramas and office politics that can afflict staff jobs, but they tend to lack the accountability that the private sector tends to have. For example, it seems almost anyone can claim to be a public school math teacher, but private tutors have to struggle and compete with online services. The private tutors are often working harder for less, especially if they have to compete with illegal immigrants.

APHAman says

marcus says

He has a lot of hate towards me, becasue of times I corrected him in the past... His posts about me are almost 100% lies... I saw several lies and the sad comment about my being upset becasue I failed at trading. (by the way - it's true I'm not a floor trader since 1993 which I guess is the basis of that comment

Anyone who left the floor 25 years ago is a winner. Not a joke. That place sucked the life out of half the professionals i knew in my 20's. Chicago is littered w the remains of actual failed traders. Marcus deserves applause for finding a normal career path starting at a place like the trading pits.