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2019 Feb 21, 3:11pm 4,495 views 39 comments
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anonymous
2019 Feb 21, 4:15pm
This same thread topic came up last year - from the same respondent.
You can read anything anyone has posted when you are not signed in - therefore there should be no loss to your "enjoyment" on the forum.
Perhaps getting some input from the 5 members who have you on ignore would be a good place to start.
Calling people snowflakes is not helping your cause.
Not so sure how it limits your "enjoyment" as much as the ability to troll - just sayin.
For the record - no - I do not agree. After a quick perusal of your comments - surprised the number of ignores is not higher.
You can read anything anyone has posted when you are not signed in - therefore there should be no loss to your "enjoyment" on the forum.
Perhaps getting some input from the 5 members who have you on ignore would be a good place to start.
Calling people snowflakes is not helping your cause.
Not so sure how it limits your "enjoyment" as much as the ability to troll - just sayin.
For the record - no - I do not agree. After a quick perusal of your comments - surprised the number of ignores is not higher.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 4:37pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 4:37pm
OccasionalCortex says
Why do you care if you cant see their reply? Why do you have the right to censor other users experience?
If patrick actually did what you suggest I would start a new account or just stop interacting here. Why would I want to see only the people who agree w me?
My main problem is that they shouldn't even see my post in the first place but Patrick lets them.
Why do you care if you cant see their reply? Why do you have the right to censor other users experience?
If patrick actually did what you suggest I would start a new account or just stop interacting here. Why would I want to see only the people who agree w me?
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LastMan
2019 Feb 21, 5:24pm
CBOEtrader says
Are you actually willing to consider the opinions of those who don't agree with you?
Why would I want to see only the people who agree w me?
Are you actually willing to consider the opinions of those who don't agree with you?
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 5:28pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 5:28pm
LastMan says
Irrelevant to this discussion.
CBOEtrader saysWhy would I want to see only the people who agree w me?
Are you actually willing to consider the opinions of those who don't agree with you?
Irrelevant to this discussion.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 6:39pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 6:39pm
OccasionalCortex says
You dont get to kick someone else out of the party. That is the point.
OccasionalCortex says
You are free to block whoever you want, you are not free to control other users.
If I am at a mixed company party and some asshole really pisses me off, what do I do? I leave the party.
You dont get to kick someone else out of the party. That is the point.
OccasionalCortex says
Why do I have the right to have my posts trolled?
You are free to block whoever you want, you are not free to control other users.
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Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 6:51pm
Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 6:51pm
@OccasionalCortex this is a hard problem. "Trolling" as I see it is making deliberately inflammatory remarks in order to enjoy the resulting flames. It's not fun, but the right answer imho is just to ignore it. If you ignore it, they don't get their payoff and are disincentivized from doing it again. If you "feed the trolls" by responding with obvious anguish, the troll wins and is incentivized to do it again.
You can put the troll on ignore, and be done.
People used to not use ignore because they didn't like the idea of a troll mocking them where they could not easily see it. (You can always log out or open a new "porn" window to see the site completely unfiltered.)
But since the moderation policy is simply not to attack other users personally, that should not happen. And if it does, let me know. I can downgrade the privileges of repeat abusers (who keep insulting the other users) so that everything they say will have to go through moderation.
You can put the troll on ignore, and be done.
People used to not use ignore because they didn't like the idea of a troll mocking them where they could not easily see it. (You can always log out or open a new "porn" window to see the site completely unfiltered.)
But since the moderation policy is simply not to attack other users personally, that should not happen. And if it does, let me know. I can downgrade the privileges of repeat abusers (who keep insulting the other users) so that everything they say will have to go through moderation.
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MrMagic
2019 Feb 21, 6:57pm
MrMagic
2019 Feb 21, 6:57pm
Patrick says
At one time, you had the site roll off ignores after like 30 days. Why not bring that feature back? Let posters re-ignore after 30 days, or maybe they'll leave it be.
You can put the troll on ignore, and be done.
At one time, you had the site roll off ignores after like 30 days. Why not bring that feature back? Let posters re-ignore after 30 days, or maybe they'll leave it be.
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MrMagic
2019 Feb 21, 7:00pm
MrMagic
2019 Feb 21, 7:00pm
CBOEtrader says
If you notice, it's a the hard Lefty leaners that predominantly use the ignore function. They are the ones that lack tolerance for any other opinion but their own. It's like they want to live in their own self-enclosed echo chamber, unwilling to consider the opinion of others. Must be a sad world to live in.
It limits my enjoyment of the site to read along and see gaps where jazz or some other snowflake blocked me.
If you notice, it's a the hard Lefty leaners that predominantly use the ignore function. They are the ones that lack tolerance for any other opinion but their own. It's like they want to live in their own self-enclosed echo chamber, unwilling to consider the opinion of others. Must be a sad world to live in.
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Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:01pm
@CBOEtrader So you do want to see the comment of people who have you on ignore? You could log out to do that, but I admit that is inconvenient.
It's a dilemma: you'd like it more, but the person ignoring you would like it less.
Huh, what to do? What principles am I trying to promote? That's also kind of a dilemma. I'm promoting the right to speak (except for insulting other users), but also the right not to have to hear from certain people. Maybe the right to have people not see your comments is not an important right.
And once you've ignored someone, why should you have to do it again? I can see that you might have changed your mind after 30 days, or not find them annoying anymore, and that might get more discussion between the parties going, also a goal.
Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:01pm
Therefore, pat I've suggested this before but can you please edit the ignore button? Noone else should effect my pat.net experience, and vice versa. Agree or no?
@CBOEtrader So you do want to see the comment of people who have you on ignore? You could log out to do that, but I admit that is inconvenient.
It's a dilemma: you'd like it more, but the person ignoring you would like it less.
Huh, what to do? What principles am I trying to promote? That's also kind of a dilemma. I'm promoting the right to speak (except for insulting other users), but also the right not to have to hear from certain people. Maybe the right to have people not see your comments is not an important right.
And once you've ignored someone, why should you have to do it again? I can see that you might have changed your mind after 30 days, or not find them annoying anymore, and that might get more discussion between the parties going, also a goal.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 7:06pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 7:06pm
Patrick says
Yeah, ive noticed, which is why my engagement has gone down. I often read the site w/o logging in, then the extra step of loggin in on my phone and losing my quote, etc... i just dont go through w the trouble.
If this were reddit it wouldn't matter, but how many active users do we have here? If the 10 most active Trump supporters cant see what the 10 most active TDS sufferers write, whats the point?
@CBOEtrader So you do want to see the comment of people who have you on ignore? You could log out to do that, but I admit that is inconvenient.
Yeah, ive noticed, which is why my engagement has gone down. I often read the site w/o logging in, then the extra step of loggin in on my phone and losing my quote, etc... i just dont go through w the trouble.
If this were reddit it wouldn't matter, but how many active users do we have here? If the 10 most active Trump supporters cant see what the 10 most active TDS sufferers write, whats the point?
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Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:07pm
Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:07pm
All right, I agree. I'll make ignore one-way tonight.
If you ignore, you don't see the user. But the ignored user can still see the ingnorer.
If you ignore, you don't see the user. But the ignored user can still see the ingnorer.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 7:15pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 21, 7:15pm
I'm a big fan of the ignore button. If a comment is trollish, zap it.
My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar. If I am missing something I want to know. If there are relevant facts to support a contradictory perspective, I want to know. I also find it interesting to see how people engage in confirmation bias, rejecting facts that disagree w their chosen narrative. Everyone does this to an extent, but i find it interesting to see why/where/when groups do this w extreme righteousness like today's left or 1980's christian fundies or 1930's weimar germany.
So yes, I am most interested in the psychology that results in contradictory opinions.
Thanks for trying the new change.
My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar. If I am missing something I want to know. If there are relevant facts to support a contradictory perspective, I want to know. I also find it interesting to see how people engage in confirmation bias, rejecting facts that disagree w their chosen narrative. Everyone does this to an extent, but i find it interesting to see why/where/when groups do this w extreme righteousness like today's left or 1980's christian fundies or 1930's weimar germany.
So yes, I am most interested in the psychology that results in contradictory opinions.
Thanks for trying the new change.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 21, 7:30pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 21, 7:30pm
It’s confusing too. I think ignore should ignore other persons posts. Not hide me from those I ignore.
It’s opposite right now which is confusing. Would be nice if posts simply had a label of “this user is ignoring you”. Only 3 people use this feature as far as I know.
It’s opposite right now which is confusing. Would be nice if posts simply had a label of “this user is ignoring you”. Only 3 people use this feature as far as I know.
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Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:31pm
Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 7:31pm
OK, it's done.
Now you should be able to see comments by people who are ignoring you.
And another request is done. The default comment list length is now 80 instead of 40. So you won't need to click the "next >>" button as much to see more comments.
Now you should be able to see comments by people who are ignoring you.
And another request is done. The default comment list length is now 80 instead of 40. So you won't need to click the "next >>" button as much to see more comments.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Feb 21, 9:21pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2019 Feb 21, 9:21pm
I still want to be able to block/ignore people who post dick pics. And HeyYou. I scroll past the others I don't want to read but a flash of hairy balls burns my eyes. Someone messed up the neked chicks thread too with some funky gnawed on looking nipples. I didn't block them but I sure wish they'd delete that post.
Has anyone seen my red stapler?
Has anyone seen my red stapler?
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Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 9:50pm
Patrick
2019 Feb 21, 9:50pm
You can still block people by clicking ignore next to their name.
The difference is that when you block them, now they can still see your comments. Before, if you ignored someone, that would also hide your comments from them.
That was actually pretty confusing, and so was another reason to stop doing it.
The difference is that when you block them, now they can still see your comments. Before, if you ignored someone, that would also hide your comments from them.
That was actually pretty confusing, and so was another reason to stop doing it.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 22, 9:49am
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 22, 9:49am
jazz_music says
You are free to block anyone who triggers you. It's your prerogative.
I tolerate too many people like you already,
You are free to block anyone who triggers you. It's your prerogative.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 22, 4:06pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 22, 4:06pm
jazz_music says
If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.
WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled
If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.
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anonymous
2019 Feb 22, 4:11pm
29 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 22, 4:06pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
jazz_music says
WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled
If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.
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For example I've had you on ignore and that didn't stop you from hacking into my threads. Same with the regular FortWayne and Fortwaynemobil - why is that ?
jazz_music says
WTF if I had a nickel for every time one of the trolls around here came at me with the idea that they cannot be stopped, or that I enjoy being trolled
If you don't like someone, put them on ignore. It's just a simple button click. Marcus put me on ignore for example, and I never trolled him either, we simply disagreed on a lot.
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For example I've had you on ignore and that didn't stop you from hacking into my threads. Same with the regular FortWayne and Fortwaynemobil - why is that ?
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 22, 5:36pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 22, 5:36pm
I didn’t hack anything. You ignore me, you don’t see my posts. It doesn’t mean I can’t see yours, it’s a forum not safe space at UCBerkeley.
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anonymous
2019 Feb 22, 5:53pm
Patrick made the change 24 hours ago - look at the date on your comment. All three versions of Fort Wayne have been on ignore since the end of January...so yes - you hacked and did a work around on the ignore.
Thread - http://patrick.net/post/1322512/2019-02-19-our-increasingly-fascist-public-discourse
8 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 19, 9:12am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Oh they understand, they just support the illegal part too.
MrMagic says
Onvacation says
Kakistocracy says
When politicians start calling immigrants and refugees “illegal aliens,”
They broke into the country!
True!!
The TDS crowd is having a really hard time understanding the difference between "immigrants" and "ILLEGAL immigrants".
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Want to see some more ? By the way your buddy Mr. Magic did the same thing on the same thread
Thread - http://patrick.net/post/1322512/2019-02-19-our-increasingly-fascist-public-discourse
8 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 19, 9:12am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Oh they understand, they just support the illegal part too.
MrMagic says
Onvacation says
Kakistocracy says
When politicians start calling immigrants and refugees “illegal aliens,”
They broke into the country!
True!!
The TDS crowd is having a really hard time understanding the difference between "immigrants" and "ILLEGAL immigrants".
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Want to see some more ? By the way your buddy Mr. Magic did the same thing on the same thread
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anonymous
2019 Feb 22, 6:21pm
@FortWayneIndiana
Here's a few more examples of something that didn't happen...same thread as comment 33
10 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 19, 9:49am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Left is super fascist. They do everything Nazis did. They found a group of people (in this case whites), whom they blame for everything, and demand that group be marginalized and their stuff redistributed.
They hate white people
They use "white privilege" as a call to assault whites
They promote violence against anyone who is white or wears a Maga hat.
They block anything conservative or white in the media
They promote anything that is anti white and anti conservative.
Their political candidates are leftist anarchists who hate white people.
To sum up, left are modern Nazis.
http://patrick.net/post/1322287/2019-02-11-trump-offers-socialism-for-the-rich-capitalism-for-everyone-else
7 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 11, 11:28am ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Usual TDS. Soon they'll blame him for cancer, provided they haven't already.
17 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 11, 4:52pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Under Teump economy improved. So OP is just TDSing.
http://patrick.net/post/1322111/2019-02-05-state-of-the-union-kunstler
30 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 6, 6:57pm ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
No matter how much you hate Trump, he’s the President, and Socialism is regressive stupidity
http://patrick.net/post/1322202/2019-02-08-middle-class-dads-freak-out-about-trump-tax-hike-and-how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-you-re-in
4 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 6:58am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I got a tax cut. Not rich either.
But I don’t have expensive real estate. CA taxes too much. Taxes make it very obvious.
20 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 8:42pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I live in CA, I don't expect the other 48 states (not counting NY) to subsadize my high tax rate.
But either way, I've got a tax cut. Just always lived frugally, not a problem with tax cap deductions.
Here's a few more examples of something that didn't happen...same thread as comment 33
10 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 19, 9:49am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Left is super fascist. They do everything Nazis did. They found a group of people (in this case whites), whom they blame for everything, and demand that group be marginalized and their stuff redistributed.
They hate white people
They use "white privilege" as a call to assault whites
They promote violence against anyone who is white or wears a Maga hat.
They block anything conservative or white in the media
They promote anything that is anti white and anti conservative.
Their political candidates are leftist anarchists who hate white people.
To sum up, left are modern Nazis.
http://patrick.net/post/1322287/2019-02-11-trump-offers-socialism-for-the-rich-capitalism-for-everyone-else
7 Fortwaynemobile ignore (1) 2019 Feb 11, 11:28am ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Usual TDS. Soon they'll blame him for cancer, provided they haven't already.
17 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 11, 4:52pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Under Teump economy improved. So OP is just TDSing.
http://patrick.net/post/1322111/2019-02-05-state-of-the-union-kunstler
30 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 6, 6:57pm ↑ like (1) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
No matter how much you hate Trump, he’s the President, and Socialism is regressive stupidity
http://patrick.net/post/1322202/2019-02-08-middle-class-dads-freak-out-about-trump-tax-hike-and-how-to-find-out-what-tax-bracket-you-re-in
4 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 6:58am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I got a tax cut. Not rich either.
But I don’t have expensive real estate. CA taxes too much. Taxes make it very obvious.
20 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 8, 8:42pm ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
I live in CA, I don't expect the other 48 states (not counting NY) to subsadize my high tax rate.
But either way, I've got a tax cut. Just always lived frugally, not a problem with tax cap deductions.
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anonymous
2019 Feb 22, 6:22pm
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LastMan
2019 Feb 22, 6:59pm
CBOEtrader says
You don't want to understand other perspectives. The use of TDS outs you.
My interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar.
You don't want to understand other perspectives. The use of TDS outs you.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 22, 8:20pm
CBOEtrader
2019 Feb 22, 8:20pm
LastMan says
If someone cant explain why they hate trump, or simply says hes racist => that is pure TDS w no logical support.
Show me you dont have TDS and make a rational case against Trump. Should be easy
CBOEtrader saysMy interest is this site is in understanding other perspectives. I WANT to know the reasoning behind why TDS sufferers think Trump is racist or a yuge liar.
You don't want to understand other perspectives. The use of TDS outs you.
If someone cant explain why they hate trump, or simply says hes racist => that is pure TDS w no logical support.
Show me you dont have TDS and make a rational case against Trump. Should be easy
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 23, 9:32am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 23, 9:32am
You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.
There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.
Kakistocracy says
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.
There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.
Kakistocracy says
Hacking occurred before Patrick made the change. You were not able to see my posts before the change once you logged in, just like I can not see you right now. Hacking to me is doing a work around to post comments on a thread where you are not welcome - i.e. - the ignore and it has been done with all three versions of Fort Wayne.
You do have company if it's any consolation.
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Onvacation
2019 Feb 23, 10:20am
Onvacation
2019 Feb 23, 10:20am
jazz_music says
I come to patnet for original ideas backed by facts and data.
I just scroll through the BS without emotion or ignoring them.
Can the world discern between sugar and shit? A troll will tell you that one is the other unless you agree with him.
I come to patnet for original ideas backed by facts and data.
I just scroll through the BS without emotion or ignoring them.
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anonymous
2019 Feb 23, 11:33am
39 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 23, 9:32am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.
There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.
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BULLSHIT !
The "feature" was not broken.
If the "feature" was broken, how come it was only broken only on certain days on certain threads at certain selective times for certain people?
How about explaining the need for three different account names if trolling is not the end game?
The above would also apply to several other respondents as well.
By the way I still have all three versions of Fort Wayne on ignore and can not see any comments right now from any of them.
Nor can I see the post I am editing this comment on - just my comment as of 3:13 P.M. EDT on 2/23/2019
You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.
There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.
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BULLSHIT !
The "feature" was not broken.
If the "feature" was broken, how come it was only broken only on certain days on certain threads at certain selective times for certain people?
How about explaining the need for three different account names if trolling is not the end game?
The above would also apply to several other respondents as well.
By the way I still have all three versions of Fort Wayne on ignore and can not see any comments right now from any of them.
Nor can I see the post I am editing this comment on - just my comment as of 3:13 P.M. EDT on 2/23/2019
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 23, 1:30pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 23, 1:30pm
Multiple accounts = multiple devices because I don’t know my password, it was picked random. So I just register again. Duh!!!
Kakistocracy says
Kakistocracy says
39 FortWayneIndiana ignore (3) 2019 Feb 23, 9:32am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
You can’t prevent others from replying.
This is public space. Just have to learn to deal with it. It’s called freedom. That’s how it works. However you can choose not to see it.
There was also no hacking, feature was probably broken that did not hide people.
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BULLSHIT !
The "feature" was not broken.
If the "feature" was broken, how come it was only broken only on certain days on certain threads at certain selective times for certain people?
How about explaining the need for three different account names if trolling is not the end game?
The above would also apply to several other respondents as well.
By the way I st...
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HeadSet
2019 Feb 23, 5:37pm
HeadSet
2019 Feb 23, 5:37pm
Headset and a few more – keep forgetting their passwords which when reset
Not me. I have no one on ignore and I have not needed to reset my password.
Not me. I have no one on ignore and I have not needed to reset my password.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 24, 6:02pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Feb 24, 6:02pm
Such a victim mentality Jazz... really?
Half the threads are by you, Marcus and kaktocracy here, tovarichpwter, etc...
You just don’t have a mature attitude about disagreements.
jazz_music says
Half the threads are by you, Marcus and kaktocracy here, tovarichpwter, etc...
You just don’t have a mature attitude about disagreements.
jazz_music says
jazz_music saysanti_forum
Hmmm, heheheh. Saying that this is a place to echo extreme right wing talking points must have finally been judged as anti_forum.
Who'd a thunk it?
We only have a few dozen active users. It limits my enjoyment of the site to read along and see gaps where jazz or some other snowflake blocked me.
Therefore, pat I've suggested this before but can you please edit the ignore button? Noone else should effect my pat.net experience, and vice versa. Agree or no?