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101381   socal2   2019 Mar 12, 9:26am  

Quigley says
Prop 13 is a dinosaur, past its time or usefulness, and will shortly be shuffling off to go extinct.


Prop 13 is the only thing preventing the last of the middle class from fleeing California and keeping the morons in Sacramento halfway sober. Just imagine how much worse the State's finances would be after the last recession of California politicians pegged their tax revenue to the volatile housing market?

I am not interested in turning California into the Illinois shithole where people are locked in their homes with crazy high property taxes and shitty government services so the Democrats running the State can keep fluffing up their obscene pensions.

If we got rid of or dramatically reduced our income and sales tax, maybe I would be willing to look at Prop 13. But I am not going to agree to raise our taxes yet again so millennial coders in Silicon Valley can buy a house.
101382   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Mar 12, 9:33am  

Quigley says
anyone who wasn’t born in California should GTFO

No. Just the people who paid too much, bellyaching about it all the while, and so doing jacked up the cost of living for everyone else.
Most of my friends, my homies from East SJ, are not white. Yeah, Latino, Nisei (lots of those from this area), Chinese from a previous waive of immigration. Maybe I'm even married to one of those.
101383   anonymous   2019 Mar 12, 9:33am  

Quigley says
“son, life’s not fair!”


101384   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Mar 12, 9:39am  

Quigley says
wants others to be cool with his alternative lifestyle.

Ha!
Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Some folks (apparently like you) who haven't seen me with my partner make some assumption like that.
That's kind of the point, isn't it?
My sexuality and that of others who are discreet is none of your f*cking business. Referring to my partner as my partner is part of the deal.
Welcome to The Liberal Left Coast. You might be surprised, maybe I am even tolerant of Evangelicals. Especially, they are grateful for what they have, and don't bitch about their neighbors' tax bills.
101385   anonymous   2019 Mar 12, 9:48am  

Now now B.A.C.A.H. - that's not keeping with the spirit of things.

Get on board the Trump train...they want to tell women what they can do with their bodies, must only attend churches that parrot the state approved religion with accompanying viewpoints (see Mike P and the wife on this one) send the kids to Betsyy DeVos "approved" schools, ignore science (all of it) and take the Bible at it's most literal meanings including the part about the 7 day creation and remember the Flintstones was actually reality television.

Actual belief in a God or religion not required - just be able to kind of sort of say a Bible passage/verse or two even if incorrect and if pressed, make one up and then challenge the other person to prove you wrong

If you go to church on Sunday - all is forgiven - you don't even have to really be sorry or ask for forgiveness - just show up, get noticed and as soon as you leave you're free to fuck up for another week.
101386   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 9:49am  

B.A.C.A.H. says
FortWayneIndiana says

I came here for work. Of my own volition

You and everyone else who jacked up the cost of living for by paying too much.

You knew what you signed up for and made your choice. Bellyaching about it won't change that reality.

I think we both know the solution for you. It's the subject of a different thread on Patrick's web site.


I think there is a bug, you quoted Quigley, but it shows my name up there instead. Weird
101387   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 9:56am  

Quigley says
FortWayneIndiana says
Life is unequal.


No argument! My dad told me when I was a lad, “son, life’s not fair!” And that stuck with me. Life is truly not fair. But do we want our government to treat us unfairly and unequally as well? I guess you definitely do. It’s what we have.


I think the taxes are robbery to begin with.

Prop 13 makes it fair. You want my tax rate, without paying into it for 30 years. THat's your entitlement. I've seen young people like you, they show up at work, 1st year on a job and want a salary of an engineer with 10 years of experience. Earn your tax rate. In 30 years I'll be dead, and you'll have a low tax rate as someone who bought 30 years ago. Inflation works out that way.

Your problem is you think because someone has a better rate, it's unfair. But it is fair, because they paid into the system for years. You want fair, go back in time when salaries were shit and no one had money, work and struggle through joblessness and horseshit that CA was when nothing existed here, pay into it, and then you'll have your entitled rate.

Fuck our minimum wage was under $4 back then too and if you made 40k you thought you did well, make it fair, go back in time and raise my salary retroactiely to what people make today so I can afford to pay what irresponsible people pay. None of us earn todays salaries, and now you want to kick old people out, because you are envious of their tax rate on housing. Pathetic Quigley, that's pathetic of you.
101388   Shaman   2019 Mar 12, 10:25am  

That’s ok gramps, I’ll support you getting some social welfare on your taxes. We should take care of the elderly, especially the ones who aren’t well off. Obviously you need it. Just don’t pretend you’re all self made and self sustaining when your lifestyle requires my tax dollars to fund.
101389   socal2   2019 Mar 12, 10:28am  

Quigley says
Just don’t pretend you’re all self made and self sustaining when your lifestyle requires my tax dollars to fund.


Again, is your argument that California's middle class isn't paying high enough taxes to Sacramento?

You really think that raising property taxes to fund California's pension ponzi scheme is the secret to lowering property values so you can finally afford a house in Silicon Valley?
101390   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 10:34am  

Quigley says
That’s ok gramps, I’ll support you getting some social welfare on your taxes. We should take care of the elderly, especially the ones who aren’t well off. Obviously you need it. Just don’t pretend you’re all self made and self sustaining when your lifestyle requires my tax dollars to fund.


I'm self made. It is you who is artificially pushing me to pay more taxes. It's not my fault you are willing to make irresponsible financial decisions. No one held a gun to your head and told you to buy whatever you bought. Every socialist always did the same thing that you are doing, tried to pull everyone down to equal sharing of misery. That is exactly what you are doing. You made choices, you knew what they meant, and yet you complain about how life is unfair. Whose fault is that Quigley?

And it really is Pathetic that you are jealous of retirees who are going to die soon anyway. That's like fucking being jealous of a McDonalds employee for their minimum wage. Just pathetic.
101391   mell   2019 Mar 12, 10:54am  

FortWayneIndiana says
Fuck our minimum wage was under $4 back then too and if you made 40k you thought you did well, make it fair, go back in time and raise my salary retroactiely to what people make today so I can afford to pay what irresponsible people pay. None of us earn todays salaries,


The problems aren't today's salaries vs salaries back then in nominal terms, it's inflation. Back then a single earner could support a family of 4 with the salary you mentioned, so just looking at the nominal salary doesn't tell you much. The problem is that if - for example - people on Medicare could only spend as much money on medical issues as they paid in - their coverage would be extremely limited. Even if you add a 3%-5% yearly inflation adjustment to the payout it would not be able to keep up with the double digits inflation the medical - or housing - sector has experienced for so many years now. And if you spend more than you paid in then by definition you are putting the burden on the future generations.
101392   Shaman   2019 Mar 12, 11:10am  

socal2 says
Again, is your argument that California's middle class isn't paying high enough taxes to Sacramento?


No, it’s that the upper class of landowners is not. No reason your beach house should cost a third in tax of my suburban one, for a hand wavey example.
101393   Shaman   2019 Mar 12, 11:14am  

FortWayneIndiana says
No one held a gun to your head and told you to buy whatever you bought. Every socialist always did the same thing that you are doing, tried to pull everyone down to equal sharing of misery. That is exactly what you are doing. You made choices, you knew what they meant, and yet you complain about how life is unfair. Whose fault is that Quigley


Try reading my post above. I very clearly explained that securing a residence is difficult due to high rents on the one hand and high house prices on the other. I didn’t create this mess, but I had to adapt to it. Bad financial decisions? I had to make a lot of extremely responsible decisions to save up probably five times the price of your house in 1978 just for a down payment. And my payment is affordable for me. That’s not the issue. It’s not about me, and it’s not even about you. It’s about equal treatment under the law, a concept upon which this country was established.
101394   socal2   2019 Mar 12, 11:29am  

Quigley says
No, it’s that the upper class of landowners is not. No reason your beach house should cost a third in tax of my suburban one, for a hand wavey example.


I don't think the Bay Area has a huge population of old timers sitting it out in their million dollar starter shacks. Many of the homes in California have been bought in the last 20 years when prices were already very high compared to the rest of the nation.

I bought in 2011 and my house is apparently "worth" double what I bought it for 8 years later. Why should my property taxes double? I have not benefited financially and am not getting double the public services from the government. My school district still doesn't offer school bus services and they have to shut the library down 3 days a week because they piss so much money away on obscene pensions.
101395   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 11:49am  

It is equal. 30 years from now you’ll die in comfort of your home without getting kicked into the street by taxes.

Your problem is entitlement of wanting low rate you haven’t earned.

You think that’s unequal, talk to income tax brackets.

Quigley says
FortWayneIndiana says
No one held a gun to your head and told you to buy whatever you bought. Every socialist always did the same thing that you are doing, tried to pull everyone down to equal sharing of misery. That is exactly what you are doing. You made choices, you knew what they meant, and yet you complain about how life is unfair. Whose fault is that Quigley


Try reading my post above. I very clearly explained that securing a residence is difficult due to high rents on the one hand and high house prices on the other. I didn’t create this mess, but I had to adapt to it. Bad financial decisions? I had to make a lot of extremely responsible decisions to save up probably five times the price...
101396   anonymous   2019 Mar 12, 12:47pm  

NOT THE SAME JULY 4TH ARTICLE - THIS IS THE NEW PRICE INCREASE AND DOUBLE TALK

AT&T raises DirecTV Now price—again—after promising lower post-merger bills. Customers can keep plan and pay $10 more or buy new package with fewer channels.

AT&T is reportedly raising the price of DirecTV Now by $10 a month and notifying current subscribers that they will pay the new, higher price starting in April.

DirecTV Now packages today cost $40 to $75 a month before add-ons such as HBO, and current customers will reportedly pay $10 a month more regardless of which package they subscribe to, making the prices $50 to $85. News reports say AT&T is also reconfiguring its channel packages for new subscribers, adding HBO to basic packages while eliminating dozens of channels that aren't part of the AT&T-owned Time Warner Inc. New customers will reportedly be able to choose from two slimmer plans costing $50 or $70 a month.

The price hike and channel reduction are happening despite AT&T promising that its acquisition of Time Warner would lower prices for customers. When the Department of Justice tried to stop the merger, AT&T told a judge in a May 2018 court filing that the merger "will enable the merged company to reduce prices."

But AT&T raised the base price of its DirecTV Now streaming service by $5 per month in July 2018, just weeks after completing the merger. Now AT&T is imposing an even bigger price increase.

DirecTV Now is the online-only version of DirecTV, delivered without a satellite hookup. AT&T had 1.6 million DirecTV Now subscribers as of December 31, 2018 after losing 267,000 subscribers in the quarter, an AT&T earnings report said. AT&T said that many subscribers on heavily discounted plans didn't keep the service when they had to pay full price.

Current DirecTV Now subscribers will be alerted to the $10 increase in email notifications today and will pay the new price on or after April 12, Cord Cutters News reported. AT&T employees provided documents with this information to Cord Cutters News, the article said.

The new prices for existing customers will be as follows, according to Variety: "Current DirecTV Now customers will see their monthly rates increase $10, while they will continue to receive the same channel lineup. Those are Live a Little (65+ channels), rising to $50/month; Just Right (85+ channels), going up to $65/month; Go Big (105+ channels), which increases to $75/month; Gotta Have It (125+ channels), going to $85/month; and Spanish-language package Todo y Más (90+ channels), increasing to $55/month." For current customers, HBO is a $5-per-month add-on.

The new package information was briefly posted on DirecTV Now's website but was then taken offline, Variety wrote.

Smaller channel lineup in new plans
While current subscribers will reportedly continue receiving the same packages with 65+ to 125+ channels, the packages for new subscribers or people who switch to the new plans will have just 40+ to 50+ channels.

"The new packages are DirecTV Now Plus ($50 per month for 40-plus channels) and DirecTV Now Max ($70 per month for 50-plus channels including regional sports networks and other sports channels), both of which will include HBO," Variety wrote. These new packages will "not include any networks from A&E Networks, AMC Networks, Discovery or Viacom," though "both include channels from AT&T-owned Turner and HBO."

Cord Cutters News published a list of all the channels that will be in the Plus and Max packages. The loss of networks will remove channels such as Comedy Central and BBC America from the basic packages.

Channels that aren't in the new DirecTV Now packages may become available in a new, streaming version of DirecTV, but at higher prices than customers pay for DirecTV Now. It's not clear why AT&T would unveil another streaming version of DirecTV that's separate from DirecTV Now. But here's what Cord Cutters News says about the forthcoming option:

You will now have the option to get DirecTV packages as a streaming package, but the pricing will reportedly be the same as the satellite version.

According to our sources, AT&T will be selling a 65+ channel streaming version of DIRECTV for $93 a month, an 85+ version of DIRECTV for $110 a month, a 105+ channel version of DirecTV for $124, and a 125+ channel version of DirecTV for $135 a month streaming online.

The DirecTV satellite service lost 1.24 million subscribers in 2018, ending the year with 19.2 million subscribers.

We've asked AT&T for details on the various price and channel changes and will update this story if we get any new information.

AT&T and other pay-TV providers have generally blamed TV price increases on rising programming costs. In online streaming, big companies such as AT&T have found that it's expensive to compete against Netflix, according to a Bloomberg report this week.

DirecTV already raised prices for satellite customers in January. AT&T also made it more expensive to cancel DirecTV with a new policy to charge customers for the full month after they cancel service, instead of providing a prorated credit for the final month.

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2019/03/att-raises-directv-now-price-again-after-promising-lower-post-merger-bills/
101397   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Mar 12, 1:31pm  

FortWayneIndiana says
I think there is a bug, you quoted Quigley, but it shows my name up there instead. Weird

Sorry about that. I fixed it. Maybe I quoted Quigley from an entry where you quoted Quigley.
101398   B.A.C.A.H.   2019 Mar 12, 1:42pm  

Quigley says

I had to adapt to it



No you didn't. You didn't have to.

Unless you were active duty military and assigned to here, you made a choice to come here, a choice to work here, a choice to live here, a choice to overpay here, a choice to buy-in for a different assessment than your neighbors.

You can make a choice Fix Things For Yourself by leaving, like Nuttboxer and Joshuatrio did on the other page.

Or you can stay here and bitch about your neighbors' taxes which, like my sexuality, is none of your f*cking business. Some or most of them older ones of your neighbors, who you may think are "rich", can only afford to stay because their assessments don't go up to the market rate that the Greater Fools are setting.
101399   HeadSet   2019 Mar 12, 2:24pm  

I've been sick as fuck for about a week.

Lemme see, cankers, fevers, incoherent thoughts. Are you sure this isn't the final stages of syphilis?
101400   zzyzzx   2019 Mar 12, 2:29pm  

Who the fuck pays $40/month for YouTube????
101401   MrMagic   2019 Mar 12, 2:37pm  

HeadSet says
incoherent thoughts.


Isn't that just a normal day?
101402   NDrLoR   2019 Mar 12, 2:41pm  

HEYYOU says
Your self absorption
Who's self-absorbed?
101403   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 4:14pm  

what she do? is wells fargo leaving new york yet?
101404   RC2006   2019 Mar 12, 4:18pm  

Can dems kick out a legislator for mental illness?
101405   RC2006   2019 Mar 12, 4:19pm  

She has surpassed all expectations.
101406   RC2006   2019 Mar 12, 4:21pm  

They make Trump look like a rocket scientist.
101408   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2019 Mar 12, 4:26pm  

Kids, don't do crack.
101409   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 4:33pm  

are all leftists mentally ill that bad?
101410   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 4:58pm  

Do liberals always need to color code everything? Jazz do you walk around with a color wheel or something all day lonh?
101411   FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut   2019 Mar 12, 5:05pm  

Liberals do all the sucking for and in America.

Rest of us just work.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says
SUCK!

HARDER!

AMERICA!
101412   cmdrda2leak   2019 Mar 12, 5:18pm  

The cult of Foucault, de Beauvoir, gender as a social construct, implicit bias, culturally relativistic postmodern zzzzzzzzz.

Do you take requests? Can your band play any other songs.

These are.... dated.
101413   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 5:20pm  

jazz_music says
Frantz Fanon


Was a literal advocate of insane violence. He literally believed the only way you could "De-colonize your mind" was to embrace endless, unrestrained violence against your Oppressors. It would Free Yourself from Bourgeois White Supremacist evil.

Franz Fanon is the Osama Bin Laden of Leftists.

“Violence is man re-creating himself. ”

“Two centuries ago, a former European colony decided to catch up with Europe. It succeeded so well that the United States of America became a monster, in which the taints, the sickness and the inhumanity of Europe have grown to appalling dimensions”


The naked truth of decolonization evokes for us the searing bullets and bloodstained knives which emanate from it. For if the last shall be first, this will only come to pass after a murderous and decisive struggle between the two protagonists. That affirmed intention to place the last at the head of things, and to make them climb at a pace (too quickly, some say) the well-known steps which characterize an organized society, can only triumph if we use all means to turn the scale, including, of course, that of violence.

You do not turn any society, however primitive it may be, upside down with such a program if you have not decided from the very beginning, that is to say from the actual formulation of that program, to overcome all the obstacles that you will come across in so doing. The native who decides to put the program into practice, and to become its moving force, is ready for violence at all times. From birth it is clear to him that this narrow world, strewn with prohibitions, can only be called in question by absolute violence.

http://www.openanthropology.org/fanonviolence.htm

And Fanon specifically called non-violence resistance a tool of Bourgeois Whites, so no bullshit about he was just a "Resister"
101414   cmdrda2leak   2019 Mar 12, 5:22pm  

... meanwhile, the march of empirical study continues unabated, bringing further irrelevancy to the pap excreted in de Beauvoir's The Second Sex:

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1878929318301245
101415   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 5:25pm  

"The Battle of Algers", a Leftist Propaganda movie, directed by Italian Marxists, was inspired by Franz Fanon.

Here is a scene celebrating the bombing of "Bourgeois Discos"

www.youtube.com/embed/MmHnCQNEQTQ

Note the director carefully focusing on the teenage French kids just before they get blown to bits.

The Left-Islamic alliance is very, very old.
101416   AD   2019 Mar 12, 5:27pm  

MisterLearnToCode says
a Leftist Propaganda movie


What is interesting now is a vast majority of Italy is become like Poland as far as pushing back against globalist-run immigration.

Maybe you all should read "Camp of Saints" to give you some balance after watching that Marxist movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Camp_of_the_Saints
101417   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 5:56pm  

Jean Paul Sartre wrote the intro to "Wretched of the Earth". Here is Sartre's opinion about Violence against the French State, circa 1960s.

www.youtube.com/embed/USsUQUTpYyA

Now you know where the SJW Left gets their love of violent revolutionaries from, from their very heroes.
101418   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 5:57pm  

Thank you, AD. On my Amazon list right now.
101419   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 6:00pm  

Or not.

101420   MisdemeanorRebel   2019 Mar 12, 6:01pm  

marcus says


Right, like the soybean market is dominated by Farmer Brown and not Archer-Daniels-Midland.

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