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Bd6r
2019 Mar 12, 3:48pm
Bd6r
2019 Mar 12, 3:48pm
MisterLearnToCode says
I'd say that strict genetic definition of male is xy, female xx. The rest of definitions fall into "feelings" category. xxx, xxy, xyy are neither male not female according to the strict genetic definition.
MisterLearnToCode says
Most of those "pre-pubescent sufferers" just need a belt taken to their backside, as their sufferings are in their heads, derived from too easy life. In some cases there might be a real problem (esp with teens who are gay - their peers can be extremely cruel and ostracize them), but in most cases this is invented.
Many people report their Gender Dysphoria Waxes and Wanes, and some report it entirely disappearing in the late teens and especially around age 25.
I'd say that strict genetic definition of male is xy, female xx. The rest of definitions fall into "feelings" category. xxx, xxy, xyy are neither male not female according to the strict genetic definition.
MisterLearnToCode says
The Danger is that the Left wants immediate Sex Change - preferably without parental permission or even input - for these pre-pubescent sufferers. Basically damning the majority of sufferers to permanent and irreversible sex changes that are unnecessary.
Most of those "pre-pubescent sufferers" just need a belt taken to their backside, as their sufferings are in their heads, derived from too easy life. In some cases there might be a real problem (esp with teens who are gay - their peers can be extremely cruel and ostracize them), but in most cases this is invented.
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socal2
2019 Mar 12, 4:09pm
MisterLearnToCode says
Isn't it amazing that these kids aren't encouraged to supplement their natural sex hormones instead of taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormone supplements for life..........let alone chopping up their bodies?
The Danger is that the Left wants immediate Sex Change - preferably without parental permission or even input - for these pre-pubescent sufferers. Basically damning the majority of sufferers to permanent and irreversible sex changes that are unnecessary.
Isn't it amazing that these kids aren't encouraged to supplement their natural sex hormones instead of taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormone supplements for life..........let alone chopping up their bodies?
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Mar 12, 4:13pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2019 Mar 12, 4:13pm
socal2 says
Left does not see the absurdity in that. Promoting lifetime patients, fucking peoples lives up at the same time in name of profit, at detriment of patient.
MisterLearnToCode saysThe Danger is that the Left wants immediate Sex Change - preferably without parental permission or even input - for these pre-pubescent sufferers. Basically damning the majority of sufferers to permanent and irreversible sex changes that are unnecessary.
Isn't it amazing that these kids aren't encouraged to supplement their natural sex hormones instead of taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormone supplements for life..........let alone chopping up their bodies?
Left does not see the absurdity in that. Promoting lifetime patients, fucking peoples lives up at the same time in name of profit, at detriment of patient.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 7:44pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 7:44pm
d6rB says
Again, Klinefelter's sufferers report feeling no sexuality difference disproportionate to that of normal XY Males. Klinefelter's is the most common gender genetic disorder.
d6rB says
I said or suggested nothing to this effect. Only that the arrival of puberty and their birth gonads firing up the hormones usually solves it the clear majority of the time.
Why give a pre-pubescent child hormone shots when 75% of the dysphoria resolves itself?
socal2 says
Exactly.
Money and the rest of the gang then and today are on a mission to exaggerate and hype sexual/gender behaviors/conditions on the extreme tail of the human experience.
Again, bring up Laing and the idea that Families had "Family Environments" leading to Schizophrenia. Leftists immediately said the science was settled and demanded the end of all mandatory hospitalization of Schizophrenics. Within a decade, after the Leftists said the science was settled, we did indeed find that Schizophrenia ran in families.
But not because of "Family Environments", but because of DNA.
I'd say that strict genetic definition of male is xy, female xx. The rest of definitions fall into "feelings" category. xxx, xxy, xyy are neither male not female according to the strict genetic definition.
Again, Klinefelter's sufferers report feeling no sexuality difference disproportionate to that of normal XY Males. Klinefelter's is the most common gender genetic disorder.
d6rB says
Most of those "pre-pubescent sufferers" just need a belt taken to their backside, as their sufferings are in their heads, derived from too easy life. In some cases there might be a real problem (esp with teens who are gay - their peers can be extremely cruel and ostracize them), but in most cases this is invented.
I said or suggested nothing to this effect. Only that the arrival of puberty and their birth gonads firing up the hormones usually solves it the clear majority of the time.
Why give a pre-pubescent child hormone shots when 75% of the dysphoria resolves itself?
socal2 says
Isn't it amazing that these kids aren't encouraged to supplement their natural sex hormones instead of taking hormone blockers and opposite sex hormone supplements for life..........let alone chopping up their bodies?
Exactly.
Money and the rest of the gang then and today are on a mission to exaggerate and hype sexual/gender behaviors/conditions on the extreme tail of the human experience.
Again, bring up Laing and the idea that Families had "Family Environments" leading to Schizophrenia. Leftists immediately said the science was settled and demanded the end of all mandatory hospitalization of Schizophrenics. Within a decade, after the Leftists said the science was settled, we did indeed find that Schizophrenia ran in families.
But not because of "Family Environments", but because of DNA.
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Patrick
2019 Mar 12, 7:56pm
Patrick
2019 Mar 12, 7:56pm
All I said was a few facts:
Are any of these statements false?
Only women can get pregnant.
No man can ever get pregnant.
No woman can impregnate another woman, or herself.
Only men can impregnate women.
Are any of these statements false?
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Patrick
2019 Mar 12, 8:09pm
Patrick
2019 Mar 12, 8:09pm
d6rB says
XXX is female, can get pregnant.
XXY (Klinefelter) is infertile.
XYY is male, can impregnate women.
So I stand by all my assertions above.
In any case birth defects (and all three cases are correctly classified as birth defects) do not challenge the fact that there are only two human genders. And in fact, there are only two genders among all vertebrates.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_X_syndrome (0.1% of population)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klinefelter_syndrome (0.1-0.2%)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XYY_syndrome (0.05%)
XXX is female, can get pregnant.
XXY (Klinefelter) is infertile.
XYY is male, can impregnate women.
So I stand by all my assertions above.
In any case birth defects (and all three cases are correctly classified as birth defects) do not challenge the fact that there are only two human genders. And in fact, there are only two genders among all vertebrates.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 9:30pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 9:30pm
Uh oh, for the socio-cultural crowd:
Brand new research on sex-related brain differences measured ?? ?????. The last bastion of hope for blank slatism has now evaporated.
— Colin Wright (@SwipeWright) March 11, 2019
"These observations confirm that sexual dimorphism in functional brain systems emerges during human gestation."https://t.co/5Kvp625qxe
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 10:08pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 10:08pm
Out of curiosity, I discovered Heart isn't this patriarchal Calvinist type dude former military with 5 kids in Kansas and a part time old fashioned preacher with a big beard or some shit. He's 50 at works at FINRA, no kids, dresses like a 20 year old preppy. Possibly... Jewish.
Ironically, he was doxxed by some chick he wrote 6 posts on, included her children in it, by his own coworkers.
Man, I love kiwifarms and encyclopediadramatica.
I gotta remember to check internet celebrities there more often.
Also, Zoe Quinn's real name is Katrina Van Zandersorn or something, and she had like 12 aliases before Gamergate, when she was a nobody.
Ironically, he was doxxed by some chick he wrote 6 posts on, included her children in it, by his own coworkers.
Man, I love kiwifarms and encyclopediadramatica.
I gotta remember to check internet celebrities there more often.
Also, Zoe Quinn's real name is Katrina Van Zandersorn or something, and she had like 12 aliases before Gamergate, when she was a nobody.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 10:21pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Mar 12, 10:21pm
Oh, sorry - and apparently she's from a wealthy family, apparently cut off for some reason (Lying? Drugs? False Accusations?) .
Here is her very honorable Grandfather.
https://archive.is/z6dzh
Here is her very honorable Grandfather.
https://archive.is/z6dzh
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anonymous
2019 Mar 13, 12:31am
Kakistocracy says
NYC is looking to do bankruptcy for the first time in 40 years as opposed to it's most famous or infamous resident who is imitating a head of state who has how many bankruptcies under his belt ?
@Goran - will get back to the NY Tax thread later - The only problem with the Kansas plan is the GOP took it national....
NYC is looking to do bankruptcy for the first time in 40 years as opposed to it's most famous or infamous resident who is imitating a head of state who has how many bankruptcies under his belt ?
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Bd6r
2019 Mar 13, 8:53am
Bd6r
2019 Mar 13, 8:53am
Patrick says
They are all 100% true, but at least one is incomplete.
Not all women can become pregnant, ergo we can not define woman as someone who can become pregnant as not all can.
I still stand by assertion that the best scientific definition of man is xy, and of woman xx. I do not think xxx, etc are "other genders", and perhaps they are better described as abnormalities or birth defects, but just defining woman as "someone who can give birth" is insufficient.
MisterLearnToCode says
And at the same time drown out male-female sexual experience due to #metoo.
All I said was a few facts:Only women can get pregnant.
No man can ever get pregnant.
No woman can impregnate another woman, or herself.
Only men can impregnate women.
Are any of these statements false?
They are all 100% true, but at least one is incomplete.
Not all women can become pregnant, ergo we can not define woman as someone who can become pregnant as not all can.
I still stand by assertion that the best scientific definition of man is xy, and of woman xx. I do not think xxx, etc are "other genders", and perhaps they are better described as abnormalities or birth defects, but just defining woman as "someone who can give birth" is insufficient.
MisterLearnToCode says
Money and the rest of the gang then and today are on a mission to exaggerate and hype sexual/gender behaviors/conditions on the extreme tail of the human experience.
And at the same time drown out male-female sexual experience due to #metoo.
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curious2
2019 Mar 13, 4:24pm
curious2
2019 Mar 13, 4:24pm
Patrick says
@Patrick, I addressed one already above and a previous time we discussed this on your site.
Patrick says
Maybe read more about vertebrates on your own site.
On a related point, you misunderstood one of the issues regarding James Damore. You focus on the fact that he expressed an opinion. You ignore the fact that he littered his document with exhortations about what Google executives "need" to do. You make a similar mistake. You have an over-simplified belief about what you call "gender," and by which you seem to mean biological sex. You ignore the fact that many languages (including English and German) have at least three genders, so you end up sounding both wrong and dogmatic about it. More importantly, you arrogate to yourself a unilateral authority to define other people's gender or sex, even though they are adults. Some incredible things you've said about gay people (e.g. that gay people don't exist, there are only people who choose "vice" in order to get easy sex, and you have no theory at all to explain the existence of lesbians including your own cousin) can't possibly make sense even to you. Instead, you have started with an emotional reaction, against #MeToo or something, a fear of loss maybe, and proceeded to attack other people who have never done you any harm, nor threatened any harm. Just as James Damore was not the CEO of Google, and thus came across as incredibly arrogant in telling senior executives that they "need" to do whatever he says, you sound equally arrogant (and, in your case, dishonest and wrong) when you try to re-define the lives of other people. Life is more complicated than you choose to pretend.
And, whatever your feelings about #MeToo or whatever, they aren't a reason to pretend that intersex/trans people don't exist. These are discrete issues. I have cited the World Health Organization, medical journals, and sites dedicated specifically to intersex information. You have pulled crap out of your own posterior, and smeared your own site with it, and frankly it stinks. Fortwhine has his own problems, but now an Indiana / Heartiste echo chamber is developing. It might interest you to read more about the author of Heartiste, Jim Weidman, before you decide to devote yourself and your site to his doctrine.
People have a right to live their own lives. People have a right to the equal protection of the laws. People exist, even if their existence disproves your doctrine (or phony "theory").
Are any of these statements false?
@Patrick, I addressed one already above and a previous time we discussed this on your site.
Patrick says
among all vertebrates.
Maybe read more about vertebrates on your own site.
On a related point, you misunderstood one of the issues regarding James Damore. You focus on the fact that he expressed an opinion. You ignore the fact that he littered his document with exhortations about what Google executives "need" to do. You make a similar mistake. You have an over-simplified belief about what you call "gender," and by which you seem to mean biological sex. You ignore the fact that many languages (including English and German) have at least three genders, so you end up sounding both wrong and dogmatic about it. More importantly, you arrogate to yourself a unilateral authority to define other people's gender or sex, even though they are adults. Some incredible things you've said about gay people (e.g. that gay people don't exist, there are only people who choose "vice" in order to get easy sex, and you have no theory at all to explain the existence of lesbians including your own cousin) can't possibly make sense even to you. Instead, you have started with an emotional reaction, against #MeToo or something, a fear of loss maybe, and proceeded to attack other people who have never done you any harm, nor threatened any harm. Just as James Damore was not the CEO of Google, and thus came across as incredibly arrogant in telling senior executives that they "need" to do whatever he says, you sound equally arrogant (and, in your case, dishonest and wrong) when you try to re-define the lives of other people. Life is more complicated than you choose to pretend.
And, whatever your feelings about #MeToo or whatever, they aren't a reason to pretend that intersex/trans people don't exist. These are discrete issues. I have cited the World Health Organization, medical journals, and sites dedicated specifically to intersex information. You have pulled crap out of your own posterior, and smeared your own site with it, and frankly it stinks. Fortwhine has his own problems, but now an Indiana / Heartiste echo chamber is developing. It might interest you to read more about the author of Heartiste, Jim Weidman, before you decide to devote yourself and your site to his doctrine.
People have a right to live their own lives. People have a right to the equal protection of the laws. People exist, even if their existence disproves your doctrine (or phony "theory").
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curious2
2019 Mar 13, 4:54pm
curious2
2019 Mar 13, 4:54pm
CBOEtrader says
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/many
@CBOETrader, I have already linked to 14 published examples, and they are of course only a subset of the total. In any event, they exist. @Patrick was claiming, falsely, that they don't exist. It reminds me of when Democrats insisted that voter fraud doesn't exist. All you need is one example, e.g. from Jimmy Carter's book, to prove that something exists. I cited 14, and nobody who looks at the data can seriously doubt there are more.
I replied to your other comment already above.
Define many.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/many
@CBOETrader, I have already linked to 14 published examples, and they are of course only a subset of the total. In any event, they exist. @Patrick was claiming, falsely, that they don't exist. It reminds me of when Democrats insisted that voter fraud doesn't exist. All you need is one example, e.g. from Jimmy Carter's book, to prove that something exists. I cited 14, and nobody who looks at the data can seriously doubt there are more.
I replied to your other comment already above.
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anonymous
2019 Mar 13, 4:58pm
@curious2 - why would you waste your time with CBOETrader ? Seriously ?
What ever you present, it will never be enough, correct, fake, etc. this is part of the "game"
What ever you present, it will never be enough, correct, fake, etc. this is part of the "game"
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curious2
2019 Mar 13, 5:03pm
curious2
2019 Mar 13, 5:03pm
Kakistocracy says
Why waste time on PatNet at all? I keep leaving, and then people address comments to me specifically, and I should ignore them but I return to answer. There are better things to read.
why would you waste your time with CBOETrader ? Seriously ?
Why waste time on PatNet at all? I keep leaving, and then people address comments to me specifically, and I should ignore them but I return to answer. There are better things to read.
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anonymous
2019 Mar 13, 5:07pm
curious2 says
Set up your inbox to dump anything that comes from here or uncheck getting "likes" option in your profile.
My time here is drawing to a close quickly - counter productive and posting anything requiring reading & thinking is a lost cause - not going to happen - the only reactions come from headlines.
Reactions are driven by emotion and responses are driven by thought. We have too much of the first option and not nearly enough of the second option.
Why waste time on PatNet at all? I keep leaving, and then people address comments to me specifically, and I should ignore them but I return to answer. There are better things to read.
Set up your inbox to dump anything that comes from here or uncheck getting "likes" option in your profile.
My time here is drawing to a close quickly - counter productive and posting anything requiring reading & thinking is a lost cause - not going to happen - the only reactions come from headlines.
Reactions are driven by emotion and responses are driven by thought. We have too much of the first option and not nearly enough of the second option.
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curious2
2019 Mar 13, 9:48pm
curious2
2019 Mar 13, 9:48pm
MrMagic says
That blockquote came from Kakistocracy's comment, not mine. The misattribution provides yet another example of PatNet going downhill, along with broken links and bizarre replacements of special characters that were correct when posted, and Patrick's decision to prevent people from editing their own comments. So, a comment that was originally written correctly and backed by working links becomes partial gibberish unsupported by anything.
curious2 saysMy time here is drawing to a close quickly
Should we have a going away party?
That blockquote came from Kakistocracy's comment, not mine. The misattribution provides yet another example of PatNet going downhill, along with broken links and bizarre replacements of special characters that were correct when posted, and Patrick's decision to prevent people from editing their own comments. So, a comment that was originally written correctly and backed by working links becomes partial gibberish unsupported by anything.
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MrMagic
2019 Mar 13, 9:51pm
MrMagic
2019 Mar 13, 9:51pm
curious2 says
You're right... strange gremlins here when you try and quote a comment...
There, I "adjusted" it.. Never knew I had to be a software engineer to post.
That blockquote came from Kakistocracy's comment, not mine.
You're right... strange gremlins here when you try and quote a comment...
There, I "adjusted" it.. Never knew I had to be a software engineer to post.
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CBOEtrader
2019 Mar 18, 3:42am
CBOEtrader
2019 Mar 18, 3:42am
curious2 says
14 in the last 50 years is an infinitely tiny number. That is exactly the point
CBOEtrader saysDefine many.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/many
@CBOETrader, I have already linked to 14 published examples, and they are of course only a subset of the total. In any event, they exist. @Patrick was claiming, falsely, that they don't exist. It reminds me of when Democrats insisted that voter fraud doesn't exist. All you need is one example, e.g. from Jimmy Carter's book, to prove that something exists. I cited 14, and nobody who looks at the data can seriously doubt there are more.
I replied to your other comment already above.
14 in the last 50 years is an infinitely tiny number. That is exactly the point
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anonymous
2019 Mar 18, 8:55am
188 MrMagic ignore (11) 2019 Mar 18, 8:50am ↑ like (0) ↓ dislike (0) quote flag
Kakistocracy says
@CBOETrader - what an exciting life that u must lead to be up at 3:00 A.M. PST to browse PatNet
Says the guy who's up at 2:58 AM PST browsing Patnet.
Folks, you can't make this shit up.
FYI 2:58 PST is 5:58 EST which is where I am located. I normally get up around 4:30-5:00 A.M.
Empty head - meet loud mouth, location New Jersey. Case closed and settled, be happy together.
Kakistocracy says
@CBOETrader - what an exciting life that u must lead to be up at 3:00 A.M. PST to browse PatNet
Says the guy who's up at 2:58 AM PST browsing Patnet.
Folks, you can't make this shit up.
FYI 2:58 PST is 5:58 EST which is where I am located. I normally get up around 4:30-5:00 A.M.
Empty head - meet loud mouth, location New Jersey. Case closed and settled, be happy together.
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anonymous
2019 Mar 20, 5:04am
@joshuatrio - hey sport, forgot to mention one minor detail about my work life.
The last half of my career I worked out of my home, set my own hours, travel schedules etc. for the most part and pretty much did what I wanted to when I wanted to.
No one ever really figured out what I did exactly, right up to the end, how long it took me to do whatever it was I was doing or did and I just kind of showed up here there and everywhere, mostly unannounced.
Can you believe that there was a vicious rumor going around the company that I was a "mole" for the home office and reported back on the comings and goings of my peers, local plant conditions, grievances and such that never made it back to HR etc?
The last half of my career I worked out of my home, set my own hours, travel schedules etc. for the most part and pretty much did what I wanted to when I wanted to.
No one ever really figured out what I did exactly, right up to the end, how long it took me to do whatever it was I was doing or did and I just kind of showed up here there and everywhere, mostly unannounced.
Can you believe that there was a vicious rumor going around the company that I was a "mole" for the home office and reported back on the comings and goings of my peers, local plant conditions, grievances and such that never made it back to HR etc?
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anonymous
2019 Apr 1, 5:48pm
@CBOEtrader - going to guess by the commentary of the last few weeks there may be a tiny bit of dislike towards Moi.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 10, 6:58am
To those looking for the Walrus post/thread.
I removed it this morning due to the graphic stupidity of the comments as well as the total and complete lack of empathy or concern for another living creature on this planet.
I removed it this morning due to the graphic stupidity of the comments as well as the total and complete lack of empathy or concern for another living creature on this planet.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 15, 6:55pm
@Patrick - not allowed to post anymore ? Let me guess - no answer forthcoming.
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anonymous
2019 Apr 15, 7:23pm
jazz_music says
Requires no intelligence, thought and most of all reading. Pictures only.
Green cartoon frogs strongly preferred
Requires no intelligence, thought and most of all reading. Pictures only.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 15, 7:24pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2019 Apr 15, 7:24pm
Kakistocracy says
Words are for the clerisy.
Symbols are for the anti-establishment.
Requires no intelligence, thought and most of all reading. Pictures only.
Words are for the clerisy.
Symbols are for the anti-establishment.
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