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How much less?

Put in the real numbers, not hypothetical.

Tim Aurora says

The title clearly said less pollution and not pollution free

I see the chart. It shows it at the exhaust. It doesn’t consider the manufacture of the electricity.

Whole thing assumes elictricity has no cost to make.

Tim Aurora says

Here is a website that calculates it. It is an unknown website so I do not stand by these numbers but take them as reference

https://blog.ucsusa.org/rachael-nealer/gasoline-vs-electric-global-warming-emissions-953


FortWayneIndiana says

How much less?

Put in the real numbers, not hypothetical.

FortWayneIndiana says

But that ICE energy didn’t come out of thin air. To make it you had to burn coal, gas, etc... so it’s same shit, converted twice

kt1652 says

Money changers don't understand engineering. ICE = 25-30% energy convertion efficiency, the other 70% wasted as heat/carbon emmissions.
EV = 80 -90% energy efficient. Combined with solar PV, or wind, the most economical as well.

What a losing argument.

Power plants operate at a much higher efficiency than internal combustion engines, on cheaper and more diversified fuel sources, including renewable.

Electric motors and batteries also have relatively little energy waste, making the system as a whole more efficient to operate, especially when you consider being able to leverage the superior distribution infrastructure of the electric grid versus the relatively sparse network of fuel stations. Consider that most fuel stations receive their supply by tanker-truck, which introduces yet more inefficiency.
Solar, wind is eveng more efficient.
It takes a lot of energy to extract, refine, transport, distribute the petrol to your gas tank. So many middle men, they don't work for free. Lol.

About fucking time! She wasn’t doing her damned job. Was just letting people on through, more like a train conductor than a draw bridge!

kt1652 says

Power plants operate at a much higher efficiency than internal combustion engines, on cheaper and more diversified fuel sources, including renewable.

That's debatable. I think nuclear is fucking awesome, but morons here keep on closing those plants down left and right because everyone is scared of them. You can't get more efficient than that. Everything else is burning fuel/gas to generate electricity. So you simply pushed burning to a central spot, and made it impossible for most people to fuel up their cars. Centralized systems are prone to problems, distributed systems work better. One gas station breaks, half west coast isn't sitting.

Either way, bottom line is this. There is no way right now you can use renewables to generate enough electricity to power everything our society needs, so it's a moot point. It's not there. So EV's are still burning fossil fuels, just they are not burning them where you drive, but at some other place. "Renewable Energy" creation needs to not suck, before it matters.

One more thing Tim.

Be very VERY CAUTIOUS of centralized power generation. Enron fucked us big time in the past with that. When they wanted to raise the price of energy, they'd call their friends to shut off a station or two. Energy supply would drop causing price to skyrocket. Lots of people got really fucked by the costs.

If we centralized generation, we will get the same shit again. Crooked mother fuckers out there exist, and there are many of them.

"Clinging to the nuclear energy option is a reckless denial of reality
Besides its unacceptable lasting effects on public health, even if operating normally (see section 3 below), nuclear energy technology cannot be financed by private capital. The nuclearpower industry holds citizens hostage to protect its profits."
http://www.helencaldicott.com/pdf/nussbaum.pdf

Strike 1: Three Mile Island
Strike 2: Chernobyl
Strike 3: Fukushima Daiichi

Strike 4: "Storage of nuclear waste a 'global crisis': report"
https://phys.org/news/2019-01-storage-nuclear-global-crisis.html
Hey I thought it struck out already!

Still waiting on the MSM to report the violent Antifa Patriot beatdowns that coincided with Mad Maxine Waters telling them to get out and get in their faces.

And btw there's still a thing as the freedom of speech. That was not a threat, that was someone talking shit on the internet. Antifa and their violence are actionable items that can be traced back to Liberals calling for violence.

Omar is a hand ass wiping Idiot that wont see a second term, a big yawn over this whole story.

Yeah, yeah, yeah,

Sargon and Styx debated Richard Spencer and Right Wing Watch was all like "Sargon and Styx are fascists because they were on a video with Richard Spencer!!!"

Misrepresentation has consequences, which is why nobody outside of the Media takes RWW seriously.

Rightwing isn't the curse word "Commies" and "Socialists" are people are starting to wake up and realize that.

Meh. He said she said.

While left physically assaults people daily...

jazz_music says

Recent Right-Wing Violence: According to New America, a research institute dedicated to tracking instances of political violence in the US, right-wing violence has claimed the lives of 86 individuals since 2001. The periodic counts of right-wing violence have become increasingly dense since 2008. For example, in 2017, after retrieving data from the Global Terrorism Database, researchers from the news site Quartz revealed that ‘almost two-thirds’ of extremist violence in the US was ‘right-leaning’.

Wow, Islam has killed more than that in half the time, despite being 1/75th of the population size.

According to the ADL, here are extremists murders by year (and BTW, some of this is extremist nutballs killing their kids or relatives):
2018: 50
2017: 37
2016: 72
2015: 70

personal

jazz_music says

Pat Carlineo self identifies as a U.S. patriot and “that he hates radical Muslims in our government.”

Bet he is just fine and dandy though with the neocon element and radical right members of congress as long as they are white - really white.

Name the white nationalist! Out him! You surely know one since they lurk around every corner, right?

Some guy said something on Twitter that is mean... hold the press this is important.

lol?

TDS is out of control these days on the left.

jazz_music says

This is particularly true when law enforcement never identifies a perpetrator.

Then how do they know it's right wing?

Trust me, when somebody sets a fire in a Brooklyn Synagogue, 90% chance it's Blacks or Muslims (or both), 9% a fake hate crime by an edgelord Jewish kid, not Wilbur Jones from the Tennessee Trailer Park.

An anti-American politician gets a death threat. Proof that right-wing extremism is on the march.

FortWayneIndiana says

TDS is out of control these days on the left.

Yes, it's a stretch.

Portland is having an explosion of fake hate crimes against LGBTQ123ABC, which the claimants refuse to formally work with the Hard Left Mayor, but open up a Patreon right away.

I'd say the Failure of the Democratic Party to punish Omar for her Prejudice and esepcially her Anti-Americanism is a far bigger factor. I have never heard her praise the United States. From listening to her you'd think the US was founded by Malik Hassan and WW2 was won by Female Somalians.

She said this today:

Isn't it amazing. One whale of an SJW had a heart attack after a panicked aspie drove his car at 15mph through a crowd, and it's like the Night of Long Knives.

This country has been rocked by multiple Left Wing Terror Attacks against Cops from among 12% of the population, and it's like it never happened.

How quickly the media has forgotten the fatalities in Dallas.Bristol, and Philly were armed Black Terrorists attacked Police Officers and White Pedestrians in the name of Black Lives Matter. Oh, and Baton Rogue and the Bronx

Only to focus on Charlottesville, itself triggered by unnecessary violence against America's History.

Despite several armed and fatal attacks on Cops and Whites, the Media never postulated a rising tide of Black Nationalist Terrorism.

MisterLearnToCode says

Trust me, when somebody sets a fire in a Brooklyn Synagogue, 90% chance it's Blacks or Muslims (or both

There of course is data to back this up ?

Black Muslims - like Muhammad Ali ?

Funny - sports figure Muslims are cool and worthy of white admiration - the other kind not so much

8chan owner releases statement on New Zealand mosque shooting

Minutes before the Christchurch, New Zealand, shooting attack that left 49 people killed and 40 injured, a violent and hateful manifesto appeared on 8chan along with a link to a Facebook livestream that would show the shootings. A YouTube video posted 10 days later shows 8chan owner Jim Watkins refuting that the forum or other social media platforms should be held responsible or censored in the wake of the shooting.

Watkins owns 8chan, 2channel (the Japanese board 2channel that inspired 4chan and 8chan), and NT Technologies, which according to BuzzFeed News “manages several web properties.”

In the video, which was uploaded March 25 and as of the time of writing has 396 views, Watkins rebukes calls for heavier policing of hate speech on 8chan, Facebook, and other social media platforms. He asserts that New Zealand police could not have known about the shooter’s posts in advance “without resorting to Orwellian police tactics.”

“All they had to find him was a solitary post on a bulletin board with a link to a Facebook livestream moments before his terrifying and gruesome act of senseless violence,” Watkins says. “This is not the fault of NT Technology for providing the medium to announce his livestream. This is not the fault of Facebook to allow for allowing his live-action footage to stream as it happened. These are just tools that millions of people use daily.”

Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, and other social media sites were heavily criticized in the wake of the shooting, with many calling for the platforms to take more firm action against hate speech. Reddit banned two forums containing hateful rhetoric after the attack.

At the same time that Watkins advocated for free speech—the core tenet of 8chan, which is known for hosting gruesome, violent content—he acknowledged that “you are responsible for the consequences of what you say.”

“An announcement of an upcoming murder, giving a time and a place, or maybe even a target, is criminal, is not protected speech,” Watkins says. “Anyone who utters such things should expect to be arrested.”

Watkins said “NT Technology is cooperating fully with enforcement,” then warned “vicious trolls” that “their speech is not protected by law—or me.”

https://www.dailydot.com/layer8/8chan-jim-watkins-new-zealand-shooting-statement/

LOL! The article is dated April 3, 2019, while the acts of violence were from 2017.

Skimming through the rest of the blog, and it's just a bunch of hate propaganda for anyone that doesn't like muslims and likes Trump.

Pathetic.

I'd love for someone to post stats on the number of terrorist attacks in 2019 alone.

joshuatrio says

I'd love for someone to post stats on the number of terrorist attacks in 2019 alone.

Why not try looking them up yourself ?

MisterLearnToCode says

a panicked aspie drove his car at 15mph through a crowd, and it's like the Night of Long Knives.

Those madcap aspies - boys and their toys....nothing to see here. Simply a light hearted prank gone slightly astray - kind of like those events in Buchenwald and the like.

Just another group of some madcap white guys letting off a little steam and playing some practical jokes with those wanna take a shower gags.

MisterLearnToCode says

This country has been rocked by multiple Left Wing Terror Attacks against Cops from among 12% of the population, and it's like it never happened.

This country has also been rocked by multiple murders (shooting unarmed people for any number of not so plausible excuses) by white cops primarily against minorities but also some of their own. Even got some minority cops in on the action now as well - equal opportunity thugs in uniform.

Best part is if the cops do this in select communities - they walk free !

Cover ups - no problem, planting evidence - no problem. Impeding on ones civil rights - no problem.

Everything is good when a uniform is involved and approval is just a nod and a wink away which is why the outrage by the Chicago Police is so disingenuous.

Of course we all know if the cards were reversed and a bunch of Red Necks were beating on some Fagot Tranny's Car that just rapped a 10 year old boy.
And that Fagot Liberal Tranny Floored his accelerator and plowed through a gaggle of bonnet wearing Church ladies that was crossing the road, to go give blood for Malawi babies with Aids. And killed all 17 of them. That Fagot Liberal Tranny would have gotten off, and the Police would be looking for the bunch of Red Necks beating on the Fagot Liberal Tranny's car with ball bats, and rocks and calling him a Fascist Queer telling him to get out of here.

I see Liberals are back to the only thing they have, Projection.

Let me tell you loser Liberals something very Damning.

My Black Ex-Con wanna be Liberal friend. Who I voted yes on the Florida Convict vote for, in the last election. Told me the Democrat party is dead.
So then I asked him a question. I said
"Tim you know it took every fiber in by being to vote yes to restore the excon vote. You know that don't you? But I did it because you deserve the right to vote.
As you see the Democrat field is full of scary self absorbed Commies, they aren't even Socialists."
I then asked him if there was anyone he supports currently. He does not. I then said...
"A lot can happen between now and November 2020, perhaps the Democrat's White Knight hasn't come down the Escalator yet. There very well may be a Democrat hopeful so promising that I would register Democrat to make sure he wins the primary. But if that guy never comes, will you do me a favor and vote for Donald Trump? These Commies can't win Tim. You're Old and a Vet they hate your fucking Guts you are a Boomer and are on the Shit List. The first thing they will do is kill the VA and give your medical care to Transvestite Mexican Illegal Gang Bangers and their family. "

He said he would consider it, this is a guy that would have thrown me out of his house over a year ago. For posing that question.

Another damning thing about that conversation. 2 years ago he would have interrupted me after every syllable, laughed and treated it like hyperbole.
He would not have sat through that question, he would have gotten combative and told me I just making Right winger Talking points.
He didn't deny one single thing I said.

Didn’t look to me like they were “walking off”

This is exactly why Vice is dying, as it should. https://variety.com/2019/biz/uncategorized/vice-200-million-funding-1203161748/

No one believes this propaganda crap. Even in this lying fake news video, all the aggression, all the initiating violence, all the crime was coming from Antifa. Yeah, sorry, a man yelling back at a crowd threatening him is not evidence of a violent movement. Ofc, Vice clearly tries to make Antifa out to be heroes "who have vowed not to let fascism overcome us the way it did in Nazi Germany." "These anti-protesters made it very uncomfortable to be a nazi."

It's all a lie. LISTEN to people for a change. The despondent nazi guy, tells you. "People come to us when the crazy left pushes anti-white identity politics." There it is folks. In black and white. This pathetic white nationism movement is a natural and obvious by-product of the mainstream crazy left.

Antifa and SJW righteousness are creating this fake white nationalism problem.

"We must repent for our sins or the world will be destroyed!"

The analogies between the global warming cult and religion are very clear.

Waaait, so walruses doing crazy shit once in a while means global warming? Wow, they never give up do they?

We must start to flatten those rocky coasts; they're dangerous to walruses fleeing polar bears.

CBOEtrader says

It's all a lie. LISTEN to people for a change. T

It’s really hard for an old communist who likes music to listen to something that he doesn’t already believe.

Didn't Vice just have massive layoffs?

Good.

Patrick says

"We must repent for our sins or the world will be destroyed!"

The analogies between the global warming cult and religion are very clear.

With their idol worship of Al Gore and AOC.

Goran_K says

Didn't Vice just have massive layoffs?

Good.

Yeah. All the SF venture capital backed propaganda click bait rags had layoffs.

It's almost as if the media doesnt represent the people. Hmmmm......

CBOEtrader says

Yeah. All the SF venture capital backed propaganda click bait rags had layoffs.

It's almost as if the media doesnt represent the people. Hmmmm......

Vice used to have interesting content until the SJW editors over there started turning their outlet into a propaganda wing for leftism. When they butchered the interview with Jordan Peterson (luckily the full length interview was leaked), I think that was pretty much it for a Vice as a credible news outlet.

I hope they die quickly. We need real news outlets to take their place.

Wow it's worse than I thought.

" Vice has raised a total of $1.4 billion across several rounds"

... and is still not profitable, but looking for another $200,000,000 cash injection round? Why would anyone do that? lol

Can liberals do that finally?