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It's also eliminated a high protein, and not total shit food from many kids diets for a third of their meals a day if we're talking school days. If you've got an elementary school of 500 kids, there's what, probably 1-3 kids that "might" have a peanut allergy? In poorer districts the parents will just throw shit in the lunchbox. They've taken away a massively cheap option with the PB&J to appease a super tiny minority.

WookieMan says

mell says

Peanut allergies are real and can be severe in extreme cases fatal that's why kids who really have that should always carry epipens.

I know it's real. I completely disagree though that the vast, super vast majority of kids should have to change their lives at all for it. There's a reason these allergies are more prevalent. We're breeding them back in cause they don't die like they used to. It's a jaded point of view, but they need to figure out how to live with it. Or just don't go out in public.

Generally I agree with you, just saying that it's not for that long and when the kids are older then you can pack your kids whatever you want or tell the school/institution to go to hell. I can see that making sense for the little ones that might out of impulse take someone else's food that they left around, and the preschool personnel cannot watch every kid like a hawk all the time. I do think this nonsense should stop starting in elementary school - where it stopped for us it was only a mandate in preschool. I can live with that. But yes, generally we are not teaching kids any responsibility anymore and that it's always someone else's fault, impose the burden on the majority and later in life these kids won't accomplish anything.

WookieMan says

It's also eliminated a high protein, and not total shit food from many kids diets for a third of their meals a day if we're talking school days. If you've got an elementary school of 500 kids, there's what, probably 1-3 kids that "might" have a peanut allergy? In poorer districts the parents will just throw shit in the lunchbox. They've taken away a massively cheap option with the PB&J to appease a super tiny minority.

Schools should not cater to any dietary restrictions, unless they are add-ons, certainly not reduce the options for the majority. From elementary school age on kids should have been taught basic skills of life.

I always said Dan was one in a million...

WookieMan says

A classic childhood staple has now gone to shit because 1 in a million kids swells up when they even see a nut.

Nah. just use purple food coloring and everyone will think its a jelly sandwich...

WookieMan says

They've taken away a massively cheap option with the PB&J to appease a super tiny minority.

mell says

Schools should not cater to any dietary restrictions, unless they are add-ons, certainly not reduce the options for the majority. From elementary school age on kids should have been taught basic skills of life.

I agree. It's one thing to not provide nuts with school provided lunches (I'm fine with that), but to prevent parents from sending their kids with food they want them to eat is absolute bullshit. It's especially a problem in poor areas. They replace it with shit food and we end up with a bunch of fat fucks.

The peanut lobby needs to up their god damn game those lazy fucks.

A meta-analysis found that death due to overall food-induced anaphylaxis was 1.8 per million person-years in people having food allergies, with peanut as the most common allergen.[30] However, there are opinions that the measures taken in response to the threat may be an over-reaction out of proportion to the level of danger. Media sensationalism has been blamed for anxiety outweighing reality.[44]

And that's for all food induced allergic reactions.

Wow.

Interestingly, there is one food item nobody is allergic to: Any and all land-based meat.

There's only one syndrome that effects meat protein synthesis, which comes from a bit of a SW US/NW Mexican insect. Nobody is inherently allergic to meat.

Put there are a great many plant allergies.

Just sayin'

What about all that hair on the palms when you beat your meat?

Unfortunately, since most of these histrionic food declarations are just LibbyFuck mincing, you don't stand a chance of offing them with their alleged sensitivities.

Patrick says

A meta-analysis found that death due to overall food-induced anaphylaxis was 1.8 per million person-years in people having food allergies, with peanut as the most common allergen.[30] However, there are opinions that the measures taken in response to the threat may be an over-reaction out of proportion to the level of danger. Media sensationalism has been blamed for anxiety outweighing reality.[44]

And that's for all food induced allergic reactions.

Yup. Move 5 of the zeros to the other side and that’s what we’re worried about mathematically. It’s a joke.

Far more people are killed by cars every day.

Patrick says

Far more people are killed by cars every day.

Absolutely. However the reason the preschools and maybe some schools in CA do outlaw nuts is because it takes only one incident for them to be sued into bankruptcy and out of existence. As long as the laws don't change this crap will continue.

I guess at least private schools could refuse to take kids with these allergies and/or require to sign a waiver but the leftoid press and sjws would be all over it.

Patrick says

Far more people are killed by cars every day.

More people are killed in cheerleading mishaps.

BAN CHEERLEADING!! It's a racist tool of the patriarchy, and needs to go.

"The number of cheerleaders treated at hospital accident and emergency wards increased from under 5,000 a year in 1980 to nearly 30,000 a year today. At least three deaths and numerous cases of permanent paralysis are blamed on falls and collisions to the end of last year, and since then two more cheerleaders have died.-Oct 4, 2008"

"While estimates range from about 150 to 200 deaths a year from peanut allergies, reporting is spotty and not required, and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention officially documents only 13 deaths (including six adults) between 1996 and 2006."

Cheerleading is MANY TIMES more dangerous than peanut allergies.

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So, is it official ?

People that have or claim to have food allergies are liberal snowflakes ? Who knew ?

marcus says

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So, is it official ?

People that have or claim to have food allergies are liberal snowflakes ? Who knew ?

That's not my point at least. It's the fact that basically everyone has to change their way of life for the almost statistically impossible chance someone will die from the PB&J you're eating. It's nuts...

And yes, some food allergies claimed are complete and utter bullshit. My son had a girl in her class that was "allergic" to cheese (mom diagnosed, she had diarrhea once that she claimed was from the cheese - not life threatening at all). This is not a made up story. They banned any dairy from the classroom because of this one girl. We're talking 2nd grade. Just don't fucking eat the stuff, especially if your mom/dad didn't pack it. And of course nuts banned too.

As Mell has alluded to and I agree they have to watch their backs, the schools will immediately ban shit like this for liability sake. The problem is they don't give a shit to verify that there's an actual allergy. This one was first, completely made up by the mom. And second, there was 100% no chance she'd ever die from someone bringing any type of dairy in for a snack.

Even if my son won't eat nuts or dairy, why am I being told what to feed my kids? Not by the school necessarily but by another parent that has a kid with a weak stomach. It's fucked up and I frankly don't accept any alternative point of view even if your kid has allergies. You can die from a lot of things in this world, let's just fucking ban it all so nobody dies anymore.

marcus says

oak

marcus says

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So, is it official ?

People that have or claim to have food allergies are liberal snowflakes ? Who knew ?

Yes, only liberals have a fictitional gluten intolerance.

Nassim Taleb wrote about the basic principles:

https://nassimtaleb.org/2016/08/intolerant-wins-dictatorship-small-minority/

Nassim explains how once an intransigent minority reaches a tiny percentage of the total population, the majority of the population will naturally succumb to their preferences...

Someone with a peanut allergy will not eat products that touch peanuts but a person without such allergy can eat items without peanut traces in them.

Which explains why it is so hard to find peanuts on airplanes and why schools are peanut-free (which, in a way, increases the number of persons with peanut allergies as reduced exposure is one of the causes behind such allergies).

marcus says

People that have or claim to have food allergies are liberal snowflakes ? Who knew ?

Everyone who isn't a pussy.

Two points to add to this discussion especially about peanut allergies.
1)The method by which kids become allergic is now known. Soap-based cleansers make the infant’s skin permeable and then peanut protein is applied to the skin, crossing the permeable barrier to be introduced to the infant’s lymphatic system. Since this is the first contact with peanut protein the baby has ever had, and it’s behaving like an invader, a dice is rolled and if the number comes up snake eyes, an allergic response happens the very next time.
Scenario: Mom is in the kitchen making PB&J sandwiches for the older kids when baby cries and she picks him up. Whew! That diaper stinks! She changes the baby, wiping his butt with a cleansing wipe. His butt is so soft and cute so she gives it a loving pat. Boom! Peanut allergy happens.

2)As a work-around for parents of elementary age students, other butters are available: almond and cashew butters work great with jelly and bread. Sun flower seed butter can also be good but not as many kids like it. All these are more expensive than peanut butter.

Quigley says

2)As a work-around for parents of elementary age students, other butters are available: almond and cashew butters work great with jelly and bread. Sun flower seed butter can also be good but not as many kids like it. All these are more expensive than peanut butter.

Right but here in the regressive bay area if there's a ban it's usually on all nuts. I tried to explain that there are no hazelnut allergies that are any worse than pollen (so fairly mild) but they don't want to be sued, so any nut was outlawed, bye bye beloved nutella ;)

Quigley says

2)As a work-around for parents of elementary age students, other butters are available: almond and cashew butters work great with jelly and bread. Sun flower seed butter can also be good but not as many kids like it. All these are more expensive than peanut butter.

Why should anyone have to work around a fraction of one percent of the population though? And why should things get banned that are clearly non-life threatening even if they were consumed? I had an issue with apple juice as a kid and it giving me the runs. Should the school then not allow apple juice? That's what's happening. I just didn't drink apple juice and lived my life. And if it was something bad enough to make my throat swell and die, my parents would have provided the appropriate drug to relieve the allergic reaction.

I know I'm bitching and complaining on this quite a bit. I can easily afford other foods to get my kids by so it's technically not that big an issue in my life. I just don't like being told what to do. And I don't blame the schools necessarily, but pussy ass parents that are too lazy to educate their kids about a flaw with themselves. Nah, fuck it, no one gets to eat peanuts.

Jonathan Haidt (author of the book: The Coddling of the American Mind) has talked a lot about how we coddle children, and mentions peanut allergies as an example of how we exacerbate an allergy by shielding the children from the allergen, opposed to giving them small gradual exposure to help them build immunity.

This was one of his talks. He starts around the 8:30 mark and goes to maybe 59:00'ish. He also covers other topics like teenage anxiety+depression culture, racial microaggressions / being offended easily (Halloween costumes oh my!), the "check your privilege" types, fragility, etc... It was interesting.
www.youtube.com/embed/DSpj7Cj2uok

theoakman says

Yes, only liberals have a fictitional gluten intolerance

komputodo says

marcus says

People that have or claim to have food allergies are liberal snowflakes ? Who knew ?

Everyone who isn't a pussy.

Patrick says

* a justification of the demand by appeal to "innate" biology without evidence

I gain a better understanding all the time of what the new right is about. It's about lack of empathy among other things.

As for gluten sensitivity, I have no doubt that there is a continuum of sensitivity, everything from people that have only placebo reactions to taking gluten out of their diet, all the way up to celiac disease.

I get it though. IF someone has frequent diarrhea and bloating and gas etc, and they make changes to their diet that seem to drastically reduce their symptoms, they obviously have personal problems I can't relate to, and it's probably just a fictional problem, you know, becasue I don't have it, so how could it be real ?

https://www.webmd.com/allergies/news/20140130/gradual-exposure-to-peanuts-may-help-some-allergic-kids

CBOEtrader says

Cheerleading is MANY TIMES more dangerous than peanut allergies.

Not to people with beaver allergies, you non-compassionate monster.

Patrick says

The recent trend toward "discovering" your food allergies is very similar to "discovering" your abnormal sexuality.

What they have in common is this:

* a demand for special treatment

Such BS. Plenty of people avoid dairy or gluten without making demands. They just try to minimize cheese or bread intake. IT influences the foods they make for themselves as well as what they order when eating out. Only a very small percentage of these people are hyper extreme about it, worrying about ingesting even a molecule of gluten. And if they are, they grow out of it, and in some cases get better (stronger intestinal lining) after avoiding it for a while, or possibly get past what was a mistaken placebo belief.

I had lactose issues for years, and still do but to a far lessor degree. All it meant is that I didn't order certain foods. Period. I rarely mentioned it, except possibly as a reason why I would pass on the ice cream or whatever when everyone else was having it. In recent decades, they've had enzymes people can take allowing them to eat ice cream or cheese if they are lactose intolerant.

marcus says

I get it though. IF someone has frequent diarrhea and bloating and gas etc, and they make changes to their diet that seem to drastically reduce their symptoms, they obviously have personal problems I can't relate to, and it's probably just a fictional problem, you know, becasue I don't have it, so how could it be real ?

No one is arguing if some of these allergies are real or not. The point is, it's not my problem or your problem. If I want my kid to eat a high protein food at school, that should be my right to do so. If I want to send string cheese I should be able to. Sally Sue's mom found out her daughter got the runs and ass wads are over litigious nowadays so the school bans it without even thinking.

What's next, a kid has a birth defect and is missing an arm. Are all the kids in gym class going to have to tie their arm behind their back during gym class? Just because one person has an ailment doesn't mean the majority needs to suffer with them. It's a harsh opinion, but the world won't bend over backwards for these people their entire lives. They need to figure out how to deal with what they were given, and quickly.

marcus says

I gain a better understanding all the time of what the new right is about. It's about lack of empathy among other things.

There is nothing new about my opinion... I've been thinking this since the USA started being invaded by land whales who are in that state through no fault of their own...Now if you'll excuse me, my fibromyalgia is flaring up

Weird that you can have Peanut Butter in a tiny Bodega, but you can't have Peanut Butter sandwiches is a large school cafeteria.

marcus says

I gain a better understanding all the time of what the new right is about. It's about lack of empathy among other things.

I know this quote wasn't directed at me, but so you know, I'm not right wing. But what is empathy going to do for people with allergies? I can be empathetic for the soldier that loses a leg in war, but what does that actually do for them? They're going to wake up without a leg the next day. THEY have to figure out how to move forward. Learn to live with your allergies and don't bug other people with it (which is what it sounds like you did with the lactose issue).

I guess ultimately where's the empathy for my kid if he loves peanuts and wants them as a snack? How about string cheese for my 2nd grader last school year because a little girl gets the shits when she EATS it. Empathy has no bounds and that's part of what I think Patrick's point was in posting this. We're becoming overly empathetic about things that are uncontrollable.

I once declared my gender as "there are only 2 genders". I remember it made couple of guys laugh, and one clearly got angry but kept his mouth shut. That third guy was a very avid CNN watcher, totally programmed NPC, doesnt even think for himself, he's a nice obedient slave of the left.

komputodo says

It's about lack of empathy among other things.

It's about lack of virtue signaling among other things. If you want to feel empathy for the 1% that cant have a peanut near them, that's fine by me but to think that you have the right to decide that the other 99% can't have peanuts because of the 1% is wrong. In this supposedly democratic system of votes, they should have had a vote on whether to ban peanuts...a silent vote...to avoid personal attacks on social media by sjws.

Another funny one is when people require special treatment because they declare "i'm on the spectrum". So in brief, Food allergy or intolerance, Fibromyalgia and "ON THE SPECTRUM"....You have the TRIFECTA!

https://palexander.substack.com/p/why-its-impossible-to-vaccinate-against

‘While we're told that "vaccines" work by giving us a small amount of a toxic substance—e.g. a bacteria or virus— in turn allowing us to create immunity against future infections, what the injections actually do is make us vulnerable to said toxins. Furthermore, "vaccines" prime our bodies to react badly to anything that's injected into us, including benign substances like milk or egg proteins. Hence the proliferation of allergies, such as allergies to milk, eggs, wheat, peanuts, etc.

Incredibly, Latypova explains how this has been known since 1913, when Charles Richet—a French physiologist and self-proclaimed eugenicist—won a Nobel Prize for figuring out that injecting animals with toxins primes them for harmful or deadly reactions if they encounter the same toxins in the environment, even in small amounts. He called these reactions "anaphylactic" reactions, but said that these reactions also included allergies.

Ah, vaccines are where the epidemic of peanut allergies comes from:

https://www.naturalnews.com/039192_peanut_oil_vaccines_allergies.html

In his book The Doctor Within, Dr. Tim O'Shea argues that vaccines may be largely responsible for both the advent and increased prevalence of peanut allergy, noting that many vaccines and even antibiotic drugs contain, or were made using, excipients potentially derived from peanut oil. Since it is a relatively inexpensive oil to produce, refined peanut oil apparently became widely adopted as an excipient of choice in the production of vaccines during the 1960s, according to some reports, and peanut-derived excipients are still believed to be in use today for this purpose. ...

It is important to note that in 1973, when peanut allergies were still relatively rare, a comprehensive study was conducted on the effects of peanut excipients in vaccines. Interestingly, not long after it was published, government regulators decided that vaccine manufacturers no longer had to indicate whether or not vaccines contained peanut-derived excipients, which means pediatricians, parents, and others who wanted to avoid peanut excipients for safety reasons could no longer effectively do so.

"What is listed today in the Physicians Desk Reference in each vaccine section is not the full formula," adds Dr. O'Shea. "Suddenly that detailed information was proprietary: the manufacturers must be protected. They only had to describe the formula in general."

Patrick says

Ah, vaccines are where the epidemic of peanut allergies comes from:

Munchausen syndrome. It's usually a mother. I eat stuff that I love that gives me the shits. I keep eating it. I don't say I'm lactose intolerant or some bullshit. I never whined to my parents about any issues I had as a kid. I dealt with them and my parents were fine with it.

So I have a blow out at home or stop at a Kohl's bath room (best for a male shit spot) if on the road. Home Depot isn't too bad either as most guys are on the clock and it's usually empty in the bathroom.

I still don't believe peanut allergies are real. I think it's a correlation of Munchausen syndrome and a kid not liking the peanuts. I would throw up eating peas as a kid. I didn't like them. Still don't unless in a pasta salad. I'm really not sure how you can be allergic, like deadly, to anything naturally grown. I don't know a single person that has gone to the hospital over eating nuts. I know a solid amount of people and kids. Not one.

Peanut allergy "crisis" is a unique American
phenomenon and it was created by the stupid recommendation to avoid peanuts until the age of 3. If it was caused by vaccines it would be worldwide phenomenon, but it's not. And it practically didn't exist in the US until the start of this century and does not exist anywhere else.

Patrick says

Far more people are killed by cars every day.

Fixed:
Far more people are killed by vaccines every day.