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marcus says

I know what let's do. If we want to have a chance of keeping the disaster of a Precedent that Trump is, let's try to blame it all on the "Libruls" as if it was all a result of a grand left wing conspiracy.

Because we all know that ending mandatory hospitalization, gender bending, furries, and abortion were all conservative ideas.

In reality, the old Rockefeller Republicans were too bowtied and polite to smash degeneracy.

But the Dems are really good at spinning:

marcus says

Climate change is a hoax, at least as liberals understand it.

Disagree? I have a computer 30 inches away from me that has more processing power than a Cray super computer of 1990. Give me a model. As we all, should, know the basis of a science is a model which doesn't only match past observations but predicts what is possible which can be confirmed by experiment or observation.

Show us all the model. Let us test the model against observation.

You may be thinking we dump tons of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere, and this is bad. It probably is, but it's not as bad as you are told, nowhere near as you believe.

Everytime Michael Mann gets hit with discovery requests from the defendant to show his work, he drops the suit and runs away

Tenpoundbass says

Can you say Liberal Plant?

ABC doesn't even broadcast Trump rallies. But they will show and film their Soros operatives.

marcus says

A swastika carrying guy would have been chased out of a trump rally.

Meanwhile, the left embraces hammer and sickle flags.

Only one of these groups has moral values about political ideologies.

Left: One provocateur with nazi banner = Trump is a Nazi
Also Left: Scores of protesters at Abortion/Bernie/Globohomo Rally with Hungry Hammer Flag != Abortion/Bernie/Globohomo is Communism

marcus says

As I've said on this forum years ago, we simply agreed to wear seatbelts. We weren't going to quibble in endless arguments about exactly how risky it is to not wear a seat belts.

Insurance companies lobbied state government to get the police to enforce seat belts so they could payout less; and localities and states got revenue for harassing drivers.

Wall Street wants carbon trading to create a mandatory market with huge middleman fees.

NoCoupForYou says

marcus says

As I've said on this forum years ago, we simply agreed to wear seatbelts. We weren't going to quibble in endless arguments about exactly how risky it is to not wear a seat belts.

Insurance companies lobbied state government to get the police to enforce seat belts so they could payout less; and localities and states got revenue for harassing drivers.

Wall Street wants carbon trading to create a mandatory market with huge middleman fees.

Even worse for car seats. In CA they lobbied like a 6-10 year or so shelf life (can't remember exact number), even if never used. After that you are free to be harassed to buy a new one. But then again you get harassed for producing too much junk. All BS.

marcus says

The world has changed, in some ways that many of us find troubling.

MOST of us find troubling.

The most disturbing part is where two different groups see the same facts but different "truths". Also disturbing is the personal attack as the goto tactic in a "debate".

The fact and the "truths".

In polite society (that non virtual world we live in) I don't bring up politics because you just can't win. When somebody talks about how global warming has made them feel so much hotter than they used to despite facts. Or how our presidents attempt to root out AMERICAN corruption in Ukraine is an impeachable offense but it's OK if other politicians blatantly use their influence to amass great wealth at the expense of the American people.

marcus says

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Please share with us what the mandatory hospitalization is, and how democrats ended it. Seriously, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Those crazy people that live in boxes and roam the streets in a mind addled zombie like state used to be institutionalized.

marcus says

I don't have to know exactly (or predict exactly) how bad it is to keep spewing carbon in to the atmosphere, to know that moving away from burning fossil fuels is a good and actually very conservative risk adverse idea.

@Marcus,
Issue is not IF we should get off fossil fuels, issue is HOW. So-called environmentalists who are in reality fucking uneducated idiots propose solutions which will catapult us back into 19th century life quality. Rational discourse is shut down largely due to screeching of the collective Left - and now the collective right is reciprocating in kind.

marcus says

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Then why are so many politicians paid t5o say that we don't need to get off of fossil fuels ?

And why aren't we further in to development of 3rd and 4th generation nuclear reactors ?

I mean what the hell man ! Electric cars are here ! NOW !

I have no idea, but a rational explanation is that environmentalists have scared people off from nuclear so that any politician who supports it will not be elected. Competition with oil (as if need less oil if use nuclear) will not be helpful either to achieve more donations.

jazz_music says
This is a victimhood claim from an establishment who actually holds the majority of power.

Same as white male victimhood.


As usual - 1. please let me know if white males are accepted into professional schools with much higher scores than certain minorities or not, and is that racism/discrimination or not. 2. I would like to see what realistic solutions do your saints such as AOC offer with respect to fossil fuel replacement. The solutions proposed should not involve ones that decrease life quality of 99% or involve taxing everyone at 90%.

jazz_music says

milking a conspiracy theory,

Hunter and Joe Biden's corruption is not a Conspiracy.

jazz_music says

offense but

But it is because he was milking a conspiracy theory, and blackmailing to get foreign help for the upcoming elections.

Biden is not a viable candidate. The Democrats don't a viable candidate except Tulsi and she has been rejected because she is not globohomo enough.

jazz_music says

Trump is not the source of all truths.

Whatever makes you think so?

jazz_music says

No, and stop lying about me I never told anyone there is an impeachment trial

1. If different admission standards according to race is not discrimination, then I really have nothing to say. Next is race-segregated schools, if we go down that slippery slope, and we end up in Alabama 1950. I guess progressives=KKK.
2. ??? I have 0 posts here about impeachment trials.

marcus says

Oh the irony of that image.

marcus says

And if were lucky and have some semi-bright students reading those history books, they'll realize it's BS because those very same "racists" would have had to first elect that black man, twice.

40 million in CA, so what? 330 million in the US. Have Ben Rosen call his Jr High school teacher and go over what "proportion" means.

HeadSet says

40 million in CA, so what? 330 million in the US.

Exactly. Yes CA produces the most food by VALUE. Although they will likely fuck that up with their water usage in the future beyond what's already happened. Next is Iowa and Nebraska. Those states barely have any people, but produce a ton for this country. They need 2 senators. They don't barely have any electoral votes either. Stop picking on the minority states Marcus.

https://www.farmprogress.com/management/what-us-states-produce-most-food-ranking-1-50

Hircus says

Oh the irony of that image.

The projection coming from the political Left is almost breathtaking. Have they been totally asleep the last 3 years? Do they think we have been asleep the last 3 years and can't immediately call out their massive hypocrisy?

NoCoupForYou says

Left: One provocateur with nazi banner = Trump is a Nazi
Also Left: Scores of protesters at Abortion/Bernie/Globohomo Rally with Hungry Hammer Flag != Abortion/Bernie/Globohomo is Communism

What makes you think it's actually not a photoshopped picture? This is ABC news. You know what else ABC news does? It takes footage from a Kentucky shooting range and tries to pass it off as the Turks attacking the Kurds.

www.youtube.com/embed/Pf8PvDMPgI8

These aren't mistakes, when are people finally going to accept our "news" media for what it is? How many times are you told Trump is a racist, Russia hacked out elections,
Gabbard is a Russian puppet, War is peace - before you realize it's just propaganda. Not just ABC, not just CBS, or Fox, or NY Times, or PBS, nor NPR - it is all propaganda. All of it. We do not have a functioning media.

That was gone 30 years ago. See?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmfVs3WaE9Y&t=38s

You know who that little girl is? She's the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador to the United States at the time, and she's LYING. Do you think our media is so incompetent, that they couldn't identify her as a plant? Do you think nobody in the government knew who she was?

People are JUST getting there, they're STARTING to understand what level of propaganda they experience. Hey, we're all subjected to it, but if you want to be free from it, you have to recognize it as the problem it is. You have to know it exists. You can't trust anything, and I mean anything, from corporate media.

marcus says

Do people actually believe this is what happened? The full transcript is released, and people just assume you never look at it. It's only 5 pages. Please quote Trump and the page number where he supposedly engaged in a quid pro quo.

richwicks says

Do people actually believe this is what happened? The full transcript is released, and people just assume you never look at it. It's only 5 pages. Please quote Trump and the page number where he supposedly engaged in a quid pro quo.

This is the reverse version of read the Mueller Report, when you ask them what part and they just say "Read it" without specifying anything in it.

Worse of course, because we have a picture of Joe and Hunter Biden golfing with a Burisma board member, Joe bragging about getting Shonkin fired in front of a think tank audience, Shonkin's testimony that he was investigating the Burisma Board, etc.

NoCoupForYou says

This is the reverse version of read the Mueller Report, when you ask them what part and they just say "Read it" without specifying anything in it.

No, my point is that Trump was careful to avoid a quid-pro-quo. He didn't with-hold funding demanding an investigation - but Biden did to demand the firing of an investigator.

I'm just surprised how often you see BLATANT LIES about what happened or what is going on.

When it was 2003, I thought Republicans were the dumbest scumbags on the planet because they just couldn't believe George W. Bush lied us into a war, and he freaking did! There was a ton of evidence at the time. You'd be called a traitor, anti-American, a liberal, stupid - whatever, but what you wouldn't see is any evidence of a WMD program in Iraq.

At that time, it was entirely unimaginable to think I'd be looking upon "liberals" in exactly the same way.

There's like almost 50% of the society that just believe ANY bullshit of "their party", and another 50% that engages in some critical thought. It's not divided along conservative/liberal. Those are just false dichotomies, which have no real meaning. What does it mean to be a liberal today? In 1985, it meant you wanted to keep the nation out of war, freedom of speech was absolute, education in sciences was essential and good. That's called a Republican today. !

marcus says

What an asshole.

marcus says

Liberal Arts major: I read a bunch of books about Gender Fluidity, but I never learned about the Virginia and New Jersey Plans because of my narrow, illiberal education.

marcus says

Occasionally you find a humorous one.

marcus says

I hope you don't think I have any fucking idea what you're talking about.

Oh dear.

Let me help with some K-12 Civics:

We only have a United States, instead of a Colonial Confederacy, because big states like VA and smaller ones like NJ/Delaware/etc. made a deal to have both a population based House and a 2-fixed-per-state Senate. Otherwise it would be have been "No Deal" as smaller states did not want to have large states always call the shots. It's called the Great Compromise, or the Connecticut Compromise (it being formulated by CT delegates to the Constitutional Convention) and I learned about it in Junior HS.

marcus says

I learned about what we have the electoral college in junior high, or earlier too. Doesn't mean I think it works quite as planned today.

How so?

I'd argue it works much better today since we have huge concentrations of populations in 3 big cities.

Without the electoral college, Presidents would only have to campaign in California, New York and maybe Illinois and ignore the rest of the country.

marcus says

I learned about what we have the electoral college in junior high, or earlier too. Doesn't mean I think it works quite as planned today.

Yes, since it was in reference to this:

NoCoupForYou says

marcus says

Liberal Arts major: I read a bunch of books about Gender Fluidity, but I never learned about the Virginia and New Jersey Plans because of my narrow, illiberal education.

That you forgot to include it was in reference to. So the context was known: A Lib Arts major with no clue about the USA itself being a compromise.

marcus says

I learned about what we have the electoral college in junior high, or earlier too. Doesn't mean I think it works quite as planned today.

The electoral college works as planned. It stops the big states from IMPOSING their will on the smaller states.