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I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Maybe Trump has been the most investigated because he is the most corrupt and most obstructionist.

Yet - you can't point to a single crime after all these congressional and Mueller investigations.

Both the Nixon and Clinton impeachments started with actual crimes.

If "Trump is the most corrupt" - surely you can point to a single crime that was successfully prosecuted - right?

And the Manafort shit doesn't count as he got caught for stuff he was doing before he got involved with the Trump campaign. The Flynn shit is bogus too and will likely get thrown out after the IG and Durham reports come out. Closest thing you have is Cohen covering up a porn star payment.

Now compare that to the Clinton Foundation racket that pulled in hundreds of millions in bribes to gain access to US power.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Maybe Trump has been the most investigated because he is the most corrupt and most obstructionist. The Clintons have probably been investigated more, but Trump will catch up if he has a 2nd term.

Republicans (not Dems) started the Mueller investigation, because there was plenty of evidence that it needed to happen. Trump obstructed it and would not testify, so it took longer than it needed to. When Mueller found that there was not enough evidence to charge on conspiracy (not the same as no evidence!), the Dems said OK. We will accept that and move on. The next day, Trump was pressuring Ukraine. There is no witch hunt. That's just Trump propaganda, because he didn't want to testify, and wants to prevent everyone around him from testifying.
McGahn was ordered by a court to testify. By the time it gets to the SC, the election will be over, but the obstruction is legendary.

Has there ever been a presidency in 200+ years that defied subpoenas like Trump?

Let’s destroy your arguments point by fucking point.
1)Has Trump been most investigated because he’s the most corrupt? Nope! You’d need some evidence of corruption, some criminal acts, some fucking wrongdoing that is against the fucking law! And after three years you’ve got NOTHING! Least corrupt POTUS ever!
2)A few Republican Never Trumpers crossed the aisle to start the investigation, but it was mostly Democrats as usual. What does it matter? The investigation found nothing. Nothing!
3)When Mueller found nothing, Democrats did NOT say ok let’s move on. Nope, they dragged the senile old man in for a deposition in front of Congress, after they spent weeks quibbling about whether they were getting to see everything relevant on the report!

You probably got all of this bad info from the legacy media and think it makes you “informed.” Geez amateurs!

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Trump using the power of the presidency to further a personal agenda (on the call and otherwise) is bribery and definitely a crime of high office.

Everyone has heard the call - and most normal people don't care - let alone think it is a crime.

Sooooooo...........if this is the main evidence to claim that Trump is the "most corrupt" president in our history?

If so, you have absolutely nothing.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Maybe Trump has been the most investigated because he is the most corrupt and most obstructionist.

Which they determined on day 1 of his term...

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Clinton was impeached for obstructions,

Clinton was impeached for perjury to a Grand Jury.

Clinton also got disbarred for it.

Let me know when they get Trump on something at that level.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

I don't think Trump wants to go down as the worst president in the history of the country.

That depends on who writes the history..If you wrote it, he would be worse than anyone the world has ever known.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

socal2 says

Everyone has heard the call - and most normal people don't care - let alone think it is a crime.

About half the country wants him impeached and thrown out of office. Are you calling all of those people abnormal?

Yup. Paychecks are up. Unemployment is down. Withdrawing from BS wars. Are people with hurt feelings for 3 years abnormal in your book or not?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

About half the country wants him impeached and thrown out of office. Are you calling all of those people abnormal?

Yep.

I live in California, I am surrounded by alot of abnormal people who think there are 500 different genders. I am governed by abnormal people who think letting bums and drug addicts to shit in the streets and commit petty crimes is normal.

Red Pill and JerryR are the frontal assault of the Agitprop Repeating Stations for the Politburo. Are they bots or hirelings? Nobody could be that dense or gullible. As the elections draw near, they will be increasing in numbers and volume, fake blog infiltrations like last election pretending to be real people.

Maybe the CIA sent them to keep Jazz company.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

I'll disappear long before the election

Now would be better. Just don't come back using another anon name like a puss.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

About half the country wants him impeached and thrown out of office. Are you calling all of those people abnormal?

And you've spoken to those 150 mil people or just following the MSM narrative.......Thats why people like you are so funny....you believe everything they tell you on the TV and you are older than 12...lol

Ceffer says

Red Pill and JerryR are the frontal assault of the Agitprop Repeating Stations for the Politburo. Are they bots or hirelings? Nobody could be that dense or gullible.

Nobody!

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Pelosi said no to impeachment, despite the fact that Mueller's report showed he was guilty of 10 counts of obstruction. Clinton was impeached for obstructions, but Dem's said they would not do that. Trump took that as a sign of weakness, which was unfortunate for him.

Lies, not a single accurate fact in this entire paragraph. Facts matter. Stop with the hyperbole. We know the actual facts here at Patnet. We’ve been discussing this since long before you came along.
1)Mueller’s report cited ten instances of POSSIBLE obstruction, not actual bona fide obstruction. Just ten times the President’s conduct approached that mark. Barr (and others) quickly decided that these did not meet criteria.
2)Clinton was impeached for LYING to Congress under oath.
3)Dems have sworn to impeach Trump since he was elected.
4)Trump taking anything as a sign of weakness is mere speculation. Fake news! The fakest!

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

I'll disappear long before the election. I spent many years posting on this site, and I left when it became a Trump echo chamber and the duck and company left.

Probably Tatupu or joeyjojojunior. Both disappeared on election night. Both were obvious shills.

OP is a real piece of shit in real life

HeadSet says

When the meaning of what you are saying (both your intent and how most people interpret it) is not true, you are lying. You can call that hyperbole if you want, but I'll call it a lie.

Onvacation says

So, what is the biggest (not hyperbole or bragging) baddest, most heinous and harmful lie our current president has ever told?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Russia launched cyber attacks the day after Trump publicly asked them to, too. Speculate all you want or choose not to. Speculation is not news. It's opinion.

If Trump was a Russian asset, he would be enacting the Democratic party's political platform and talking like Democrats. Instead, Trump is putting the hurt on Russia and Putin by doing what he actually campaigned on:

- Increasing fracking and energy exploration
- Increasing Military spending
- Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal
- Pulling out of the Paris Climate Change accords

Seriously, nothing hurts Russia (and OPEC) more than Trump ignoring the Climate Cult hysterics and dramatically increasing America's oil production. I don't think people have quite grasped on how much the geopolitical world has changed thanks to America's aggressive energy production.

"US is net exporter of oil for first time in decades"
https://www.ft.com/content/9cbba7b0-12dd-11ea-a7e6-62bf4f9e548a

It is beyond laughable to think Putin and the Russians would prefer a guy like Trump who campaigned on increasing our energy and military compared to one of the Nancy-boy Democrats who are all campaigning on neutering America's economy at the alter of Climate Change.

socal2 says

Seriously, nothing hurts Russia (and OPEC) more than Trump ignoring the Climate Cult hysterics and dramatically increasing America's oil production. I don't think people have quite grasped on how much the geopolitical world has changed thanks to America's aggressive energy production.

Calm down. Stop telling the obvious truth... they might start liking Trump and the forum becomes less comical. Need my daily laugh.

WookieMan says

Calm down. Stop telling the obvious truth...

It is so Orwellian to see all of these limp-wristed Democrats who have been soft on Russia and Communism my entire life - try and pretend they are all a bunch of tough guy anti-Communists now.

In what fucking universe are we to believe the likes of Russia, Iran, Cuba and China prefer a US Democrat over a Republican?

Are these people really this stupid and ignorant of recent history - or are they just this dishonest?

www.youtube.com/embed/Ee4PfhogtdQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0IWe11RWOM

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

3. Facts matter. That is not a fact. There may be a few on the fringe, but the leadership did not swear to impeach Trump when he was elected.
4. That was clearly speculation. It was reasoned on Trumps actions the next day. Russia launched cyber attacks the day after Trump publicly asked them to, too.

It is also a fact that tRUMP bombed Russian troops in Syria in Feb 2018.

Quote: Aleksandr Ionov, a Russian businessman working in Syria offering security and other services, said he estimated after conversations with associates in several private military organizations that more than 200 Russians might have been killed.

Mr. Ionov said not all those killed were Russian: Some of the paid fighters came from other countries that were once part of the Soviet Union. “More than 200 is the current estimate, we cannot know the exact number yet, but most of them were Russian,” he said in a telephone interview.

So Russian asset is bombing Russians in Syria while St Obama did not. Makes much sense.

jazz_music says

Plus the non-whites are getting fucked over and that is just sweet.

Where? Citation/link?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Onvacation says

So, what is the biggest (not hyperbole or bragging) baddest, most heinous and harmful lie our current president has ever told?

I've already answered this. The most damaging in my opinion is the bullshit notion that he is fighting the deep state.

So Trump's biggest baddest lie is a notion?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

The most damaging in my opinion is the bullshit notion that he is fighting the deep state. That is bullshit, and his attack on our most important government institutions will do lasting harm. The second biggest bullshit set of lies is attacking the media as fake news. That's bullshit, and a lie, and will do lasting damage.

The horror! The Media and Bureaucracy are facing some long overdue criticism and scrutiny.

You must really live in a bubble to think our Media and massive Government Bureaucracy has conducted itself with honor over the last 3 years.

Do you realize that there are many people like me who didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but will proudly vote for him in 2020 precisely because he is taking on the 2 institutions you listed above?

socal2 says

many people like me who didn't vote for Trump in 2016, but will proudly vote for him in 2020

same here - did not vote at all in 2020, but the never-ending TDS of corrupt and stupid media cause me to change my mind and I will vote for him in 2020 TO STICK IT TO MEDIA and ELITES

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

The Trump administration has been tough on Russia at times. It appears that it was due rd6B says

Russian asset is bombing Russians in Syria while St Obama did not.

Trump bombed a few Russians. Then, he pulled out of Syria, much to Putin's delight. I'm not saying that's proof that Trump's an asset, but he certainly gave Putin what he wanted when it mattered. Iran didn't mind our leaving Syria as well, by the way. Speaking of the Syria move, it sure didn't hurt Trump's business interests in Turkey to make that concession.

socal2 says

- Increasing fracking and energy exploration
- Increasing Military spending
- Pulling out of the Iran nuclear deal
- Pulling out of the Paris Climate Change accords

Our natural gas and oil production exploded under Obama. This didn't have so much to do with Obama's ...

Who gives a shit - Trump is by far more successful and lawful thanObummer and Boosh were, on all fronts. The economy is on fire, we're pulling out of regime change wars. Four more years! #MAGA

RT
Globalresearch.ca
Sputnik
etc.

But Trump supporters are the Russian Trolls

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Trump bombed a few Russians.

Bombed more than just a few, and at time when Putler had his sham re-election. Dictators are quite sensitive to being publicy wiped floor with.
I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Then, he pulled out of Syria, much to Putin's delight.

I am not sure if this is good for Russia, as they now will have to deal with this mess.
I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Speaking of the Syria move, it sure didn't hurt Trump's business interests in Turkey to make that concession.

That may be logical...he does seem to care about business interests more than about anything else.

Overall tho I think that talk about tRUMP being a Russian asset is 100% garbage, as there is no real evidence for that. On contrary, there is evidence in him screwing over Putler: 1. bombing, 2. lethal arms to Ukraine (I am sure reason is getting $$$ but nevertheless arms are sold, in contrast to Obama years), and 3. liquefied natural gas exports to Europe (heavily lobbied by tRUMP and Perry), which is much worse for Putler than anything else could ever be, as his main income is selling hydrocarbons.

Fuck Russia Today and all the Russian trolls peddling that shit.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Trump's deregulation is bad for Russia in the short term, but I doubt our minor surge in production has had a huge impact on oil prices.

When Iran took out half of Saudi Arabia's oil refineries a few months ago, we would have been looking at record oil prices, recession and WWIII if the US hadn't significantly stepped up oil production in recent years to hedge against these shocks.

Every last Democrat running for President is openly bragging how they will ban new oil exploration and will de-industrialize our economy with the Green New Deal - essentially making us slaves to Russia and OPEC.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

I don't know if Trump is an asset or not.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

But, if Trump is not in Putin's pocket, he certainly seems to want to play nice, presumably in order to get personal deals later on.

Good grief, you really think Trump is going to spend potentially 8 years in the crucible of public life, risking impeachment and indictments and the massive stress of this office - just so he can work some hotel deals in Russia when he is out of office and in his 80's?

socal2 says

Good grief, you really think Trump is going to spend potentially 8 years in the crucible of public life, risking impeachment and indictments and the massive stress of this office - just so he can work some hotel deals in Russia when he is out of office and in his 80's?

It takes no work or critical thinking to believe the media. If you take it to the next level of retarded, you defend the media propaganda against people who poke holes in their Narrative with logic and facts. If you are barely able to fog a mirror, you come on Patnet and do that.

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

Honestly, I don't think he expected to win the election. I don't pretend to know what motivates him to stay in office now or do what he does, and don't know what his financial situation is. But I do think that he is on the lookout for personal gain while he is there.

Oookay.

You are at least being fair in putting in alot of caveats like: ("I don't know" - "I think" - "It seems like" - "Presumably")

Yet you were saying this morning that Trump is the most corrupt and obstructionist president EVER warranting all of these unprecedented investigations and weaponization of the bureaucracy to try and throw him out of office?

I Swallowed a Red Pill says

mell says

The economy is on fire

Where do you get this shit? Just because Trump says it doesn't make it true. Look at the numbers.

lol the numbers are clear. Math doesn't lie. Lowest UE, highest wage increases, esp. on the lower end, stock market on fire, small business approval rate crossing 50% again just now. The Trump economy has been a rocketship.

rd6B says

Overall tho I think that talk about tRUMP being a Russian asset is 100% garbage

The rule of tradecraft is to pick the critical individuals who are all but invisible or appear exactly the opposite of what they are.

OrangeManBad is obvious and sticks out like a sore thumb, a tradecraft bull in the china shop. That's a non-starter.

As is always true of the 180 degree thinking, look to the Dems and accusers. Dianne Feinstein who had a Chinese intelligence agent in her employ for over 20 years (of course, without a ripple or a peep of attention or enforcement)?? IHLlary and the uranium deal and the easily scanned e-mail server, buried as much as the legacy press can do so without a pshaw or a head shake?

Tim Aurora says

NO evidence to support the claim that the FBI spied on Trump's 2016 campaign

Words matter. It was a legal FISA warrant. Therefore it technically wasn't "spying." You're eating up BS headline writing. Enjoy it.

It was all legal. Ethically it makes Obama and Hillary look like pieces of shit, tucking their dicks between their legs out of fear of a NYC real estate developer beating the anointed cunt. He won against all odds (not even sure he really wanted to win). Temper tantrum continues......

Boy the upcoming doc drops must be the bomb if the Demmedia is running hitpieces left and right

This is as pointless as "List of NFL Teams that won games because of field goals instead of touchdowns."