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This is why the DNC tried to sabotage Bernie. They don't want any real socialism. The only thing they can stand for now are:
- divisive identity politics,
- presumed "war on women"
- now that the gays are seen as normal, they're down to trans.

Democrats cconomic policy is very similar to right wing corporatism. The only exception is maybe healthcare and taxation. But what they propose there is what every other liberal countries in the world have now. To call it socialism is a bit specious.

Bernie & AOC need their own party if she wants a left party.

Pelosi:

Shaman says

Trump wins in a landslide.

caveat: if economy does not tank. If it tanks, D's have a good shot at presidency.

CovfefeButDeadly says

Why do you want to see Adam Schiff get an erection?

Then you can shift to the boner saw. Somehow, Schiff as a Baby Jane tranny with running makeup seems appropriate.

rd6B says

Shaman says

Trump wins in a landslide.

caveat: if economy does not tank. If it tanks, D's have a good shot at presidency.

I don’t see any reason why it should! People are employed, wages are rising, new beneficial trade deals have been signed, corporate taxes are low, housing stock is low as it is in every good economy, the market is way up, and continues to rise... I really don’t see any reason for a recession!

https://www.breitbart.com/news/stocks-retreat-oil-slides-as-china-struggles-with-virus/

Ok here’s a possibility: a new deadly virus causes mass death and even wider panic, slowing China’s economy down and also exports and supply chains. That might hurt us a bit over time, especially if the virus comes to our shores.
Might just be another Ebola scare though. But yah a mass world health crisis could possibly do it.

Shaman says

Might just be another Ebola scare though. But yah a mass world health crisis could possibly do it.

Do you think people would really blame Trump for this if that happened and tanked the economy?

More importantly, do you think people will be willing to throw the keys to the Bonkers Donkey party who are all campaigning on open borders and accepting millions of refugees around the world?

The reaper was supposed to harvest this skin suit.

lol @ narrow lead. A wide lead didn't help Shillary.

Shaman says

Ok here’s a possibility: a new deadly virus causes mass death and even wider panic

So what?
It would have to be a pretty strong plague do actually decrease the population, and even then there would still be too many.

Shaman says

Ok here’s a possibility: a new deadly virus causes mass death and even wider panic

Possible.

n95 face masks are already backordered.

ppl are scared.

I got my food and water stockpile, so I'm not worried.

socal2 says

Do you think people would really blame Trump for this if that happened and tanked the economy?

More importantly, do you think people will be willing to throw the keys to the Bonkers Donkey party who are all campaigning on open borders and accepting millions of refugees around the world?

Nope, great points!

Too quick. Put them in a cage with water but no food and see who lives to consume the others. That would be ESPN pay per view gold.

Ceffer says, "Too quick. Put them in a cage with water but no food and see who lives to consume the others. That would be ESPN pay per view gold."
My money is on Hillary.

By the way APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch have you already written your suicide note?

OccasionalCortex says

Even if the bond prices fell, bondholders would still get free passage.

https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/crumbling-american-infrastructure-cliche-by-todd-g-buchholz-2020-01

Variations of this could be used to break through a lot of NIMBYism for all sorts of projects other than toll roads, too.

For example, developers NIMBY-hostile medium to higher density projects can issue these sorts of bonds to existing locals to finance the portion of the development needed to upgrade water, streets and traffic infrastructure improvements that would be necessary to do. Maybe even towards school/fire house/police mini-stations/parks construction if the new development is big enough (say a 500+ unit project). The developer gets to write off the interest for the bonds and the bondholders would get to earn the interes, like muni/state/federal bonds are.

And what would be the equivalent of a "lifetime free pass" as a "downside protection" in this case?

I want my taxes to pay for all of the fucking roads every goddamn one of them. And not a single penny go to anyone that works in the government that doesn't facilitate either the construction of those roads, or traffic that flows on them, in one way or another.

Lemme see, people like Clinton's and Pelosi get filthy rich in politics, and Trump is the con man?

Funny how that works.

It was surreal how Biden got his son a kickback, but investigating kickback is a crime.

HeadSet says

Lemme see, people like Clinton's and Pelosi get filthy rich in politics, and Trump is the con man?

It was surreal how Biden got his son a kickback

It was not a mere kickback, it was outright bribe and influence peddling with Hunter as the conduit to the Vice President, who was specifically put in charge of Ukrainian matters.

That’s one website for crazy delusional people on the left.

President Trump told his national security adviser in August that he wanted to continue freezing $391 million in security assistance to Ukraine until officials there helped with investigations into Democrats including the Bidens, according to an unpublished manuscript by the former adviser, John R. Bolton.

The president’s statement as described by Mr. Bolton could undercut a key element of his impeachment defense: that the holdup in aid was separate from Mr. Trump’s requests that Ukraine announce investigations into his perceived enemies, including former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr. and his son Hunter Biden, who had worked for a Ukrainian energy firm while his father was in office.

I wish that at least a few right wingers on this forum could admit that this is probably true, and that they understand that the impeachment fight is more about helping Trump get acquitted even though he is guilty of this. Instead they lie to themselves and others in a way that only reflects poorly on their character and or reasoning ability.

This sounds like Trump asked an advisor about the consequences of doing something, his advisor stated the likely consequences, and then Trump decided not to do it. That's the entire point of confidential advisors to the president.

Schiff will question Bolton under oath. Bolton will say Trump asked about various different things (blowing up Iran, exploding nuclear bombs to stop hurricanes, calling out the army to shoot anyone jumping the border, etc). That and only that will play on endless loops on the fake-news media. Then, under cross, Bolton will say that when told the consequences that Trump said: "OK, nevermind, we definitely won't do that." That part will be scrubbed from the news. That's pretty much how everything played out in the kabuki theatre House investigation. Things will be somewhat different in the senate, but the fake-news media will have to actively suppress the cross examinations.

Various Democrats are touting that 50% (or whatever %) want witnesses in the trial. They don't realize that most of the people wanting witnesses are actually Trump supporters. Let's call some witnesses to the stand: Schiff, Nadler, Hunter Biden, Joe Biden, The Leaker, etc.

libbies opened the door to acceptance of lawlessness with their open borders and sanctuary cities.
now, nobody gives a fuck what law trump broke.
whats good for the donkeys is good for the elephants.

BlueSardine says

libbies opened the door to acceptance of lawlessness with their open borders and sanctuary cities.
now, nobody gives a fuck what law trump broke.
whats good for the donkeys is good for the elephants.

If Trump broke a law, don't you think the House Democrats would have slapped that onto the impeachment charges? The Dems shopped a whole bunch of possible articles of impeachment. None of the ones that could be backed by legal statue made the Democrat's extremely low bar.

That said, presidents often push the legal boundaries. Trump has, so far, been very successful with the supreme court siding with him in the main. And it's not just that the court is slightly skewed conservative; several of his victories have been unanimous.

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

marcus says

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

That was a weird quotation. I think it was BlueSardine with the phrase "with their open borders" this particular time. Oh well.

marcus says

I wish that at least a few right wingers on this forum could admit that this is probably true, and that they understand that the impeachment fight is more about helping Trump get acquitted even though he is guilty of this.

You contradict yourself in your own sentence while throwing shade at other members here. It's either true or not. Unless there's a recording of the conversation it's a he said, he said situation. It's not provable and therefore Trump cannot be guilty of anything based off Bolton's comments. Is that flawed reasoning?

And you ignore the headline of the OP.

HEYYOU says

"Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says""

Is it valid reasoning that Bolton might be trying to make some $$$ on this? By saying something that cannot be proven under potential perjury charges if he does testify? You can't prove perjury with a conversation between two men who are disagreeing with how the conversation went. So he puts it in a book to sell said book. This really isn't all that complicated.

marcus says

SunnyvaleCA says

with their open borders

What open borders ? Obama beefed up border security big time.

Right wingers sure live interesting fantasy lives.

Every Dem candidate running today is for open borders, curtailment of ICE, and enticements like free medical care and sanctuary cities.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

GLOBOHOMO! JOHN! IS OUR GREATEST ENEMY!

I agree with you on that - I don't really like the idea that all problems can be solved by bombings and invasions.

There is no war the GLOBOHOMO! Bolton has not supported.

What is worse - grabbing WOMYN by the pussy, shooting mouth off in an uncivilized fashion, or killing tens of thousands of civilians in "collateral damage"?

Lt. Col. Vindman is the one who exposed himself as the Leaker. It was given to his office to go over to make sure nothing was classified.

Numb nuts Trump hired a guy from a different cult. Bomb the shit out of em Bolton's cult dont like Putin or Kim. Wants to rat Trump out. Maybe if Trump would have invaded Iran he would have kept his mouth shut. Sad.

Fuck Bolton. He’s asshoe!

Bloodthirsty Neocon Warmongering Psychopath says: BOMB TRUMP! So predictable.