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willywonka says

Do you lobby the government to shut down the economy over flu deaths? 80,000 oldsters died from the flu a few years back.

That's not counting pneumonia (50k/year) or the OTHER strains of common cold, either. Pneumonia even got mighty Jack Lalanne.

This Coronavirus is just another strain of it, itself another strain of the common cold viruses:

Many different respiratory viruses can cause the common cold, but rhinoviruses are the most common. Rhinoviruses can also trigger asthma attacks and have been linked to sinus and ear infections. Other viruses that can cause colds include respiratory syncytial virus, human parainfluenza viruses, adenovirus, human coronaviruses, and human metapneumovirus.
https://www.cdc.gov/features/rhinoviruses/index.html

ThreeBays says

This is a terrible response.

#1 in many situations,indecisiveness can make a problem worse.

#2 it doesn’t apply here. All the action that can be taken is in fact currently being taken.

“Yeah, look, I mean … we’re involved in 68 lawsuits with the Trump administration. I’ve been on your show, I haven’t been timid. He certainly hasn’t been timid,” Newsom responded. “But I got to say this, it’s just the fact. I’d be lying to you. I’d be lying to the American people. Every single direct request that he was capable of meeting he has met. We have the U.S.N.S Mercy in California because of his direct intervention and support; 2,000 of these federal medical stations because of his direct support.”

“And so I can only speak for myself, but I have to be complimentary, otherwise I would be simply lying to you, misleading you,” Newsom continued. “And that is a wonderful thing to be able to say, and I hope that continues. But this has been a remarkable moment, or at least we’ve been able to rise above that partisanship.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-gov-newsom-trump-has-met-every-single-direct-request-that-he-was-capable-of-meeting

#3 the overwhelming sentiment on Pat.net is that we need to consider the cost of having a near non existent economy. How long that goes on for...is still being debated here but understandably the natives are restless.

Where in the US Constitution does it say that you need an "Immunity Passport" to enjoy the Bill of Rights?

Corona Virus is an RNA virus, having only single-stranded RNA (not double-helix DNA for internal error-checking), which means it mutates frequently. Anyone selling "Immunity Passport" is a scientifically provable fraud. Just like all his historical predecessors who have worked on similar schemes for thousands of years, Bill Gates is in effect working on an ID/tracking/registration scheme that would one day make it impossible for himself, Melinda and any of their three kids to escape when politics turn against them and decide that killing them and taking their money would be in the interest of "public good."

It's utterly stupid to lock down the economy for what is essentially a new type of common cold (which initially can appear like flu due to its newness and the relative lack of immunity to the new strain among the human population). Locking down the general society while not locking down hospitals and nursing homes in effect gives the more deadly strains/sub-strains an evolutionary advantage over the competing strains/sub-strains that are less harmful and less likely to land people in hospitals (yet similar enough to the deadly strains so as to give people immunity against the more deadly strains if exposed to the less harmful ones first). The locking down of society (while not locking down hospitals) is in effect a Crime Against Humanity: causing more people to be dead than would have been the case without the lock-down.

People who are exposed to the less deadly strains/sub-strains/variants in social settings, especially outdoor under the Sun's UV light, tend to acquire immunity against similar strains/substrains/variants after exposure to a small dose of nearly dead virus. That's how human normally acquire immunity against virii that cause respiratory diseases and why Corona Virus has survived as an RNA virus through rapid mutation (a DNA respiratory disease virus with stable genetics and dependent on aerosol/airborne transmission would have been eliminated by UV light in summer and human immunal response built up after exposure to dead virus in the air). The business end of Bill Gates' lock-down scheme (and Fauci and Birx being paid to do his bidding) is literally an implementation of Federic Bastiat's allegory of the candle makers petitioning the government to mandate the blocking out of the Sun in order to make candle business more profitable.

ThreeBays says

Some people are so sure it's only a bad flu. Just before, Wookie was pointing out how the scientists don't know anything. Yet somehow, Pat.net knows what others can not.

I have not claimed to be an expert. At some point your actual observations of what's happening around you matter though. Information from nurses and doctors that I know. Empty hospitals in one of the "hotspot" locations. Number of people you know tested. 3 and 2 died (1 suicide too). I'm talking a network of friends of friends that I would have heard something from about 5k people. This isn't some small sample size.

The virus is dangerous for those that can succumb to it. What little data we have on the virus is pretty accurate as to who this affects. This is something I think most can agree on. Math and data are important, but too many people are solely focused on positive tested by the number that have died. Deaths are the only thing that really matters because of emotions and feelings. We can't and won't test the entire populace to get an accurate death rate. When you call out people for calling it the common flu, you don't have any evidence to present that it's more dangerous. It's impossible. Hence my comments about scientists. Remember scientist told us that NYC and Florida would be under water by now?? These one's are different though, right?

So far the solution has been to run and hide and not one person here as given a legitimate reason why that makes sense. Countries that have shut down less than us show the same trends as ours and other shut down countries. I'll agree, it's likely safer to shut down. But we're now shutting down entire industries until JULY. You don't have to like cruising, but in places like Miami it's a massive part of their economy. CDC has shut it down until mid July effectively, but could rescind the decision early. Many of these jobs were low paying or cash tips in ports like Miami. A UE check isn't going to do much for these people.
https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/04/11/why-royal-caribbean-carnival-and-norwegian-cruise.aspx

You also have to start questioning things when you see these types of articles. Isn't that funny timing.... November?
https://www.newsweek.com/coronavirus-us-update-fauci-novemeber-1497393

Trump doesn't need to fire Fauci, but I'm sorry I need to hear a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc. opinion when we do things this dramatically. November?? The capitol will be burned down by then if we're not back to normal. And most cities across the country.

I hope you're posting this in jest? While it is funny admittedly, if this virus is the real deal, this has nothing to do with politics. You may not be doing this, but not sure why people are trying to politicize this when it's sooooooooo "serious" and deadly. Makes one wonder....

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

ThreeBays says

do touristy stuff if there were bodies piling up?

Apocalypse tourism!

Machine gun, rape and eat the survivors from close range!

INNOVATION!

MAGA!

I. could see this happening on a cruise ship.

Mortality projections based upon deaths in a naive population may lead to incorrect and dangerous conclusions. Immunity develops over time and mortality naturally decreases over time. Any model that projects mortality must take the development of immunity in account in its projections of mortality in a population.

Patrick says

WookieMan says

How many have died?

Exactly.

Bet it's none. None even serious.

Yup. Military ships and cruise ships are beautiful petri dishes regardless of how clean they try to keep them. We've seen the worst case with whatever Princess ship that was. It's extremely clear to even a layman that this is a virus that kills old people. Don't really need a "scientist" to determine that.

I'm waiting for it. The shrill cries to shut down the Navy and our entire fleet because those young boys might get sick.... God help us all if that happens.

Human beings have to make choices every day with incomplete facts or sometimes very few facts at all. We have mental algorithms which help us with these decisions, how to take just a few facts about a situation and plot a way forward. We use history to help us, we use instinct to know when to stop dithering and decide, and we use the example of others.
The art of making great decisions without many facts to go on is the epitome of wisdom. And to not decide is also a decision. You can’t sit back and wait for all the facts when you’re hiring an employee. Maybe a better person will apply tomorrow or next week! But at some point you have to decide to hire a person based on what you already know. You have to buy that house even though you haven’t looked at every house in the city. You have to choose a mate even though you’ve only dated forty-five people. You have to choose a restaurant for dinner even though you don’t know the area.
You have to choose.
Choose wisely!

It's pure coincidence that those who don't like Trump are the same ones claiming we won't be open by May 1st, that this will still kill 2M people, that hydrochloroquine wouldn't work, etc. etc. etc.

https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-treated-with-hydroxychloroquine-hopes-he-still-dies-of-covid-19-to-prove-trump-is-stupid

“ NEW YORK, NY—When Jeffrey Walton tested positive for COVID-19, he hoped for a speedy recovery. But since he has been treated with hydroxychloroquine, the experimental treatment President Donald Trump has been touting, he now hopes he dies quickly to help prove that Trump is an idiot.”

https://babylonbee.com/news/movement-that-demands-forceful-silencing-of-all-opposing-viewpoints-unsure-why-nation-so-divided

This one illustrates through humor that Trump isn’t the one causing division.

Made in China Flu

The Blame Death Stars of Fake News are focussed once again on Trump! He must feel like he's in a Globalist Dunking Booth.

TDS is a significant problem these days. Those with symptoms are advised to seek mental health professional, and refrain from posting utter stupidity, talking in public, and avoid all social events until cured.

Dude it’s Easter and you are bitter at the world. Stop being such a bitter loser, do something with your life.

Listen to Jordan Peterson, it’ll help you make better priorities and live a happier life.

If you think so, you don’t understand why capitalism always roars back in success.

Bet you 100$ It’ll roar back once virus shit is over in near future.

...such as closing traffic with China which is RACIST! and UNNECESSARY!

Wrongo bongo

https://www.google.com/amp/s/losangeles.cbslocal.com/2020/04/10/coronavirus-testing-westminster-mall/amp/

richwicks says

why do you wipe out an entire post just because you think too much information is presented? I can see you limiting it, but you actually DELETE THE WHOLE THING.

If you try to put two videos in the same post it won't work.

Next time hit the back button and break it up into two posts.

One time I started a thread on "white privilege", a couple people posted, and then the thread disappeared. I suspect gremlins. Patrick is NOT here to censor our ideas.

Fortwaynemobile says

Bet you 100$ It’ll roar back once virus shit1929 stock market correction is over in near future.

Some parts of the economy should not come back, ever:

- closing American factories to open ones in China with weak pollution laws and no worker rights instead
- open borders so that US employers can undercut wages for US citizens by employing illegals instead
- global daily flights with no quarantine

Overall, the US economy seems likely to come roaring back as long as Trump is in office.

Trump's pre-virus economy was stunningly good, setting repeated records for three years.

Right, the ideas are all uncensored. Just don't insult the other users or the site.

Also, please do say if a post goes away. Could be a bug of some kind if that happens.

How does forbidding people from buying seeds keep hospitals from being overwhelmed?

We didn't see the clamor anywhere from experts on social distancing. The earliest person to act was the administration and too much hoopla over racist border closings. Should Trump have acted earlier? Absolutely. This caught everyone by surprise. You know, I wish he did ask for social distancing measures in Feb. Because it would have been amusing to watch the liberal backlash about how that's stupid and how he's stupid.

He's trying to get fired, he has from day one, his sole purpose is to contradict Trump, either until he has amassed enough CNN soundbites documenting Trump's deficiencies through his undermining everything Trump says, which he gets from Actual field Doctors, unlike Dr. Frauduci.
His job now is to talk behind his back on CNN, if this doesn't work by Tuesday he will be leaking confidential conversations to NYT. He will do this until he gets fired. So Schiff can use him as a material witness. Without out Trump invoking executive privilege.

I'ts the only play book these Phony Cock Suckers know, they are as obviously predictable as a Rap lyric.

If i know the epidemiological models and how they work, and that social distancing is bogus, how come Fauci doesn't?

He does, he just doesn't follow policy that adheres to them. Prolong the fear, the superstition, the lockdown and the pandemic, Rah!

Fauci has a job to do, and it has nothing to do with public health or saving lives. He is the face of the Propaganda Politburo.

Dr Frauduci is a professional grant applicant and nothing more.

The USA has tested over 2.5 million people. No other country has reported testing more. Yes - that's a fraction of the population. We are improving every day.

China's numbers are totally suspect since they shutdown information about the virus several weeks ago. We have no idea how many are dead, infected or tested. Largest country in the world and they get a pass on information exchange.

If this is a white lie, it's no worse than Obama telling everyone "You can keep your doctor" under Obamacare. That was a baldfaced fucking lie.

I find it entertaining how left makes up bad news. Their TDS isn’t validated by reality, so they just make shit up to not feel like complete morons.

Funny how pathetic left has become.

Patrick says

Some parts of the economy should not come back, ever:

- closing American factories to open ones in China with weak pollution laws and no worker rights instead
- open borders so that US employers can undercut wages for US citizens by employing illegals instead
- global daily flights with no quarantine

Overall, the US economy seems likely to come roaring back as long as Trump is in office.

Trump's pre-virus economy was stunningly good, setting repeated records for three years.

Much agreed. Capitalism simply works, no way people will not reopen businesses to better their lives.

Fauci said: “millions of deaths” , “200,000 deaths” “100,000 deaths”
My favorite: “I don’t need to wear a mask.”

Not allowing flights into the USA would have saved more lives, but they gave Trump shit over it.

Masks as effective as social distancing in the Czech Republic.

Fauci like a lot of short people likes to be the center of attention.

Yes he was wrong, but he was wrong because the people who were supposed to inform him were wrong and lying about being able to deliver a test they didn’t have. The CDC fucked up royally. Finally Trump got tired of their incompetence and lies and turned the problem over to the private sector which developed a 15 minute test in a matter of weeks. That test is already available in most places.

Point is, don’t believe the lying media because they have an agenda. Trump can’t do this stuff himself. He relies on the agencies to do their part and when they don’t, can get really be blamed for their failure? The President might be amazing but he’s not a super techie bioscience dude who can whip up a PCR test for a new virus in a few days.

As late as March 8th, merely a week before the nation-wide lock-downs, Fauci was only recommending people with underlying conditions (especially elderly) not to get on to cruise ships, while not discouraging healthy young people from getting onto cruise ships.

At the end of January, when Trump decided to quarantine people who had in the previous 14 days traveled through China, the Democrats were calling him racist. Restricting carriers traveling from foreign hot-zones before infections become widespread in this country made sense; internal/domestic lock-down "social-distancing" makes no sense whatsoever: as locking down the society while not locking down the hospitals and nursing homes only give the most deadly mutations of the genetically unstable RNA virus an evolutionary advantage over the more benign mutations that don't send people into hospitals (where the virus would have more opportunity to spread than would be in a locked-down society). Not to mention, a lock-down has no Constitutional basis whatsoever: an eminent domain taking would require government to compensate the locked-down businesses and individuals at fair-market value for losses. They are using the fuzzy word "social-distancing" as a way to wiggle out of the Unconstitutional nature of those lock-down orders.

Ok so Leftists wanna peg this as the “Trump Virus” because somehow it’s his fault... somehow. Well that might be hard to prove but what is known is that chloroquine is now known as “Trump pills” so he’s the cure, bitches! Take your #Trumppills and live to sky scream another day!

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HEYYOU says

Dumb fucks are gonna learn today.
It's not capitalism when it can only survive with bailouts,massive debt & fiat currency printing
and when it is hit hard & $Trillions from thin air that is handed out to businesses & the unemployed.
Socialized Capitalism!

Dumb ducks are now sitting focusing on Trump day and night because left wing media gave them TDS.

Everyone else is figuring it out.

The dems really screwed the pooch on this one. Instead of screaming racism and xenophobia, they should have just said "too little too late" and they could have marched to the victory line. You can't rewrite history now. Trump was late on his prudent decisions, and the dems would have delayed those decisions further if they got their way.

Shaman says

Point is, don’t believe the lying media because they have an agenda. Trump can’t do this stuff himself. He relies on the agencies to do their part and when they don’t, can get really be blamed for their failure? The President might be amazing but he’s not a super techie bioscience dude who can whip up a PCR test for a new virus in a few days.

That's why Leftists defend the Deep State, they love the unelected bureaucratic resistance to the Executive.

I think the thing that is overlooked in this whole discussion is how badly China screwed the whole world over. They lied about the death rates, human to human transmission, origin of the virus. Even allowing US researchers in to study was cut off. And then as an extra fuck you, they bought up the worlds supply of ppe.

So then this thing comes roaring out of Asia, hits Italy and the world has a shit their pants moment. Understandably, a lot of countries took very aggressive measures because we had 0 info we could rely on from China.

Now that we’ve dealt with it longer, we see there are better alternatives to dealing with this situation because this lockdown cannot continue past April.

We know that with testing, reasonable social distancing measures, ppe for medical personal, isolation of vulnerable population, and maybe a few Trump Pills, this virus can be controlled. It’s not even a debate, many countries have done it at this point.

Unfortunately, once Trump makes this call, all we’re going to see from that day until November is a running tally of every person that has died of corona laid at Trumps feet. It’s dumb and partisan and unfortunately, the reality of the Shit Sandwich we need to eat right now is to nuanced to explain to scared soccer moms.

Social distancing is not designed to save lives. It is designed so that hospitals do not get overrun. This is a global pandemic. Absent a vaccine, which is unlikely to ever be developed, this virus will continue until most people have had it and either lived or died. So the only question we should be asking ourselves about policy decisions we are considering is if hospitals will be overwhelmed if we don’t limit some activity. Outside of canceling concerts, theme parks, and cruises, I don’t see why we can’t all go back to work after taking some reasonable precautions like wearing a mask.