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WookieMan says

annoyed1 says

0.4% is still over a million Americans. How high does the death rate has to be before closing movie theaters and bars are warranted?

Never honestly. They should be open now. This isn't some Hollywood virus that is killing everybody. We know who it's killing, they're just too fucking stubborn and are the policy makers in this country. Huge pussies. So hey, let's fuck everyone else over AND get free money they'll never have to pay back. Boomers are a fucking virus. Open up and let them all fucking die...

Boomers are asshoe!

WookieMan says

Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West?

Jonathan Pageau, who is friends with Jordan Peterson, gives an interesting symbolic interpretation here. Obviously, YMMV...
www.youtube.com/embed/b1LjF9FnM5g

The things that chart shows me is
1- everybody is flattening the curve, but not reducing the curve, except china which has dropped to nothing either because
1a. They are lying about their stats
1b. It was a biological attack against the world, and they have the antidote baked into their food supply.

Time for some Kung Fu Chew??


Patrick says

ThreeBays says

There's not going to be a quick return to normal.

Prediction: There will indeed be a quick return to normal, except, hopefully, for some valuable lessons learned about why we should not continue to outsource to China.

Why the quick return to normal? Because pretty much every country on earth is on the same curve, showing this thing lasts about 90 days even with varying responses among countries:



More predictions:

- Democrats will blame Trump for not doing enough
- Democrats will blame Trump for doing too much
- Democrats will attempt to continue to outsource factories to China and insource illegals from Mexico, and scream !RACIST! at anyone who objects
- voters will get serious about objecting to the devastation of the US working class, and Democrats will lose not only this...

:
"B-b-b-b-but the borders. Don't you see, Great Leader get's it. Before he was elected the southern US border was wide open. Obama was constantly trying to see how many illegal aliens (new democrat voters) he could get in to the country as fast as possible. All those stories about the build up of border security under Obama, and the deportation of Mexicans that committed crimes during OBama admin, and the actual decrease of illegal immigrants in the country over that time period, is all liberal propaganda."

"Only great leader an keep America great now that he has totally succeeded in bringing us back to our glory days."

Onvacation says

At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.

Another bonus: we don't have to hear the 24/7 drone about mostly-imaginary racism.

Not hearing about racism 24/7 is not only much more pleasant, it's actually the most effective way to end what racism there is.

Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace:

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find …

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I’m Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn’t one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don’t either. I don’t want a Black History Month. Black history is American history.

WALLACE: How are we going to get rid of racism until …?

FREEMAN: Stop talking about it. I’m going to stop calling you a white man. And I’m going to ask you to stop calling me a black man. I know you as Mike Wallace. You know me as Morgan Freeman. You’re not going to say, “I know this white guy named Mike Wallace.” Hear what I’m saying?

Patrick says

Onvacation says

At least the alarmists have left global warming climate change alone for a while.

Another bonus: we don't have to hear the 24/7 drone about mostly-imaginary racism.

Not hearing about racism 24/7 is not only much more pleasant, it's actually the most effective way to end what racism there is.

Morgan Freeman and Mike Wallace:

WALLACE: Black History Month, you find …

FREEMAN: Ridiculous.

WALLACE: Why?

FREEMAN: You’re going to relegate my history to a month?

WALLACE: Come on.

FREEMAN: What do you do with yours? Which month is White History Month? Come on, tell me.

WALLACE: I’m Jewish.

FREEMAN: OK. Which month is Jewish History Month?

WALLACE: There isn’t one.

FREEMAN: Why not? Do you want one?

WALLACE: No, no.

FREEMAN: I don’t either. I don’t want a Black History...

One of my favorite convos. Unfortunately I ran into a MSNPCCNNBBC lamestream leftoid headline on my phone talking about the next drought! which is! coming! soon! cause climate! change! bad! WTF?? They had the guts after one of the rainiest and snowiest seasons in CA and with the whole East and parts of midwest just getting dumped on massively with cold storms with snow and rain to bring up this shit again. lol unbelievable.

The most interesting part would be to uncover the office or PR agency (if there is one) creating these media scares, figuring out who is paying them, and why.

It all kinda does reek of Edward Bernays, nephew of Sigmund Freud:

Edward Louis Bernays (/bərˈneɪz/; German: [bɛɐ̯ˈnaɪs]; November 22, 1891 − March 9, 1995) was an Austrian-American pioneer in the field of public relations and propaganda, referred to in his obituary as "the father of public relations".[3] Bernays was named one of the 100 most influential Americans of the 20th century by Life.[4] ...

His best-known campaigns include a 1929 effort to promote female smoking by branding cigarettes as feminist "Torches of Freedom" and his work for the United Fruit Company connected with the CIA-orchestrated overthrow of the democratically elected Guatemalan government in 1954.

Tenpoundbass says

zzyzzx says

What am I missing? I don't get it.

Liberals irrational fear of everything.

Patrick says

Shaman says

The CDC numbers of infected/dead indicate a 4% mortality rate in the USA.

That's clearly wrong.

The virus kills on the order of 0.4% when you include all of the people who have been infected, per studies in Iceland and Germany. Maybe less.

The 4% is for people who are sick enough to seek medical treatment, which is a minority, about 10% of those infected.

4% x 10% = 0.4%

Most people don't understand the difference between 4% and 0.4% and don't care either.

Can I still use pangolins to comb my hair?

WookieMan says

Why does anyone give a flying fuck about Kanye West? Never thought I'd see the day on patnet where this is a going concern. Or am I mental or something???

Seems like partisan people will look for any opportunity to prove their point. It's been forever - like, fucking never - since I invoked Kayne West in an argument. But, like the great Kim Kardashian says...

Y'all remember that time, Liberals got mad because we wouldn't stop going to Trump Concerts, so they cooked up a pandemic and put the whole world on Time Out?

Shoot the Virginia Governor in the face? Would that be the guy in the klan hood, or the one in black face?

Tim Aurora says

I also understand that we need to open the economy for the daily wage earners who cannot survive the lock-down. The answer is testings and tracing like South Korea and Japan

I get your comparison to driving laws and pools. That makes sense to a degree. But, it's not apples to apples. Everyone can drive the speed limit exactly and obey every single traffic law and accidents are still going to happen. And that's with something we can physically control, a vehicle.

How do you control a virus? You don't. At the end of the day it's a risk that you or I cannot control. At some point people that feel at risk just have to stay in place. I think some people are also thinking that the one's saying this is just a flu are discounting the fact that there CURRENTLY is a vaccine for most strains. We may pass the death total during this first blast of Covid versus regular flu, but WITHOUT a vaccine this is going to be on par with the flu.

A not vaccine-able strain of a virus is going around and it still hasn't beaten the typical flu. Pause for a second and think about that? Step back and ponder the reaction?

Tim Aurora says

The answer is testings and tracing like South Korea and Japan

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-51836898

LOL! Japan had low number in early March because their government was suppressing testing (thereby suppressing numbers) in order to have to Olympic Game this year. The Japanese case numbers magically mushroomed after they decided to postpone the Olympics to next year.

Testing and tracing are meaningless after the contagious disease is community-spreading. What you are suggesting is pervasive monitoring and removing of all privacy rights on account of a Cold (not even rising to the death rate or count of normal flu season).

Tenpoundbass says

so they cooked up a pandemic and put the whole world on Time Out?

I don't know the who, when, where (well China) and how of this all. But I'm pretty convinced at this point it was all contrived/plotted. We have people in mass hysteria over a virus that has no vaccine that is less deadly than your typical influenza WITH a vaccine. That makes zero sense....? Hospital are laying people off. Educated people are freaked out. It's fucking weird.

Reality says

What you are suggesting is pervasive monitoring and removing of all privacy rights on account of a Cold (not even rising to the death rate or count of normal flu season).

And there's a vax for the flu too. We may not top deaths for Covid-19 versus influenza WITHOUT a vaccine for Covid. I get more angry every day over this. Hence why I'm so combative to a few users here. Most of their stances are actual lies and made up BS.

A COVID-19 death comaprison sounds like the 9th circle of Hell

There are so many variables; I have a vent dependent patient who tested positive and yet was fairly asymptomatic and seems to have done ok... while seemingly healthy patients are sick as shit.

I worked hospice for 20+ years; I saw patients who smoked all of their lives who were free of lung cancer, breathing problems, etc. It astounds me how some patients who smoked all of their lives live well into their 90's. But I guess it's important to remember that Euell Gibbons died of natural causes...

elliemae says

It astounds me how some patients who smoked all of their lives live well into their 90's

I was shocked my grandma who sucked down 3 packs a day made it to 86 I think. You also have people that will die of alcohol poisoning drinking half a bottle at 20 and then a guy that can drink a bottle of vodka a day live until they're 70.

Life and health doesn't play fair. So try to enjoy it.

logic says

Wookieman says

We may pass the death total during this first blast of Covid versus regular flu, but WITHOUT a vaccine this is going to be on par with the flu.

A not vaccine-able strain of a virus is going around and it still hasn't beaten the typical flu. Pause for a second and think about that? Step back and ponder the reaction?

Reality says

(not even rising to the death rate or count of normal flu season)

Not really sure I understand these comments. How do you define beating "the typical flu"?


Anyway, according to the CDC influenz death rates, US Covid-19 deaths have (37,000) already surpassed 2010-2012 and 2015-16 flu seasons. That's 3 of the last 9 flu season.

Guess what. In 3 days we will surpass 3 more of those past 9 years. 6 of 9.

2017-18 season had 80k deaths. What's your point? It's like a severe influenza season.

They're doing the BS with Germany too - they finally found a European country that compares more favorably to the USA than Spain or Italy or the UK.

I'm more interested in the Data that is showing 30%+ of the asymptomatic population they test have COVID19 Antibodies.

www.youtube.com/embed/iiAMnYCv2u4

logic says

mell says

2017-18 season had 80k deaths. What's your point? It's like a severe influenza season.

That is my point 80k deaths is a servere flu season, not to be confused with a "typical" or "normal" flu season. We will be blowing by a "typical" or "normal" flu season in a few days.

Sorry, I'm just being logical.

Sure but we don't lock down the whole country during a severe flu season, in fact we did nothing. We will likely not reach the 80k this season, next season the counter starts anew like with the flu, counting deaths throughout the year would be cheating unless you do it with the flu and common cold as well. This won't be the last time this happens, but if we have a pandemic every few decades or make it every decade and lose a couple hundred thousand, how does this make any difference in the world as a whole with its growing population of close to 8 billion. It's insane to cause widespread economic devastation, depression, drug use and suicide in the tens of millions for this. Since you apply logic you should agree with this, Spock would have weighed the greater good for the young masses over saving a few who mostly already lived 80% or more of their lives. So should we.

You could probably "save" hundreds of thousands of lives every year dying of environmental causes, pneumoniae, lung cancer, you name it by shutting down all industrial production and all car/plane/ship traffic, INCLUDING electric cars which kill as many people if you take manufacturing and small particle dust into account. CV-19 is no different just because it's contagious. If you shut down everything you would likely also shut down all technological and medical progress, and of course cause world-wide economic and real starvation and depression, suicides etc. There are always trade-offs and this one is clearly not worth it.

The plan is to restore solvency to SS by reducing payees.

Y says

The plan is to restore solvency to SS by reducing payees.

Not a bad plan if you strictly go by fairness, clearly they are taking out far more than they paid in. As much as I dislike the mostly sjw leftoid millenial attitude, they are not the ones who caused the deficit and budget imbalance. Look no further than the boomers.

The only thing that chart shows is that the usa is paying a heavy price for its fructose addictions...

None and I mean NONE of those women in that article look like women that you could get to go to a Trump concert, much less pay them to attend.
Conservative Smart women that voted for Trump and will vote for Trump. Don't look Berkeley Professors, and NGO Chairs.

FYI, there are plenty of Blue Suburbs, what a dishonest piece of garbage reporting. Absolutely fake news.

Yeah, go... go... go ask Huma Abedin, if she's going to vote for Trump.

said Sanchez, a life coach and mother of five in this prosperous desert community. (She is a distant relative of Republican Utah Sen. Mitt Romney.)

Sanchez considers Trump “reprehensible as a human being” and the Republican Party morally bankrupt. “I couldn’t be a part of it anymore,” she said, and as a result, at age 40 the newly registered independent is weighing her first-ever Democratic vote for president.

“It’s amazing the change, in just the last few years,” said Q. Whitfield Ayres, a pollster who has spent decades strategizing for Republican campaigns and causes. “It’s not any one place. It’s everywhere.”

The RINO decades are Over!

I like how so many people, that were Bernie supporters, that now that they have the Sads, call themselves "Independents".
Let's be perfectly clear, People that voted for Trump in 2016 are not going to abandon him and vote for Joe Biden. Or who ever the DNC finally rolls the dice on.

Tim Aurora says

mell says

You could probably "save" hundreds of thousands of lives every year dying of environmental causes, pneumoniae, lung cancer, you name it by shutting down all industrial production and all car traffic, INCLUDING electric cars which kill as many people if you take manufacturing and small particle dust into account. CV-19 is no different just because it's contagious. If you shut down everything you would likely also shut down all technological and medical progress, and of course cause world-wide economic and real starvation and depression, suicides etc. There are always trade-offs and this one is clearly not worth it

Again false equivalency. I am not against opening the economy and take some dead COVID-19 patients. I am against deaths before we take some valid protective measures such as test and trace . I also do not want to increase the hospitalization burden rate beyond capacity.


There is no hospitalization burden as of now in 99% of areas. They deferred all elective surgery and turned away other patients to be ready for the "surge" which never came. Many of those patients in need of their continued treatment or surgery you mentioned are currently being held at arms bay by unreliable models and population-control fantasies. The severe Covid-19 patients need a bed and a ventilator and some drugs, they don't need any of the hospitals complex devices and procedures necessary to other patients. If they're so worried about a surge, keep the makeshift field hospitals in conference centers and tents that they just shuttered again, since no large gathering will be allowed anyways, and pay those suffering hotels/businesses some rent. Let the real hospitals be open for all the other patients and open up already. That way you'd also reduce contagion within the hospitals. This is beyond bullshit at this point and the majority of the population is held hostage. I hope the protesters won't give up to get their lives back until we opened up everywhere to a reasonable level again. Face-masks will help keep the spread at bay.

logic says

mell says

Since you apply logic you should agree with this, Spock would have weighed the greater good for the young masses over saving a few who mostly already lived 80% or more of their lives.

I think I can agree with that. Did captain Kirk always side with Spock's logic? You should be able to agree with this, Spoke would have needed to know how the virus affects people before he would have been able to make any logical determination.

Agreed - lol Kirk would have battled Spock to death to save just one life he was fond of and risk the lives of many - but that didn't make him right. And in this case it is even more severe since we're destroying the future of the youth to save the old. Now we should respect and protect the old to a reasonable extent, but not by sacrificing those who have their whole life ahead.

Tim Aurora says

mell says

There is no hospitalization burden as of now in 99% of areas.

It is with lock down. And where did you get the 99% rate . Can you please provide refernce.

The only area where they ever had to use makeshift hospitals mentioned in the news/media was NY and that was short lived. What other state had to resort to mass field hospitals? Positive proof is required to justify continued harsh measures, not negative. I know here in CA there's zero excess burden right now, of course they cleared the hospitals of most other patients. They should move CV-19 patients outside of the regular hospitals into makeshift ones like China did, there's plenty of space right now since all conference centers are shut down for months to come.

OR.....SIP had absolutely nothing to do with anything because the Panic Pandemic was made up to begin with. To say that draconian shutdown had anything to do with a non result that came from a manufactured entity is more manufactured entity. False cause and effect.

logic says

mell says

The only area where they ever had to use makeshift hospitals mentioned in the news/media was NY and that was short lived. What other state had to resort to mass field hospitals?

Maybe Louisiana? Irregardless, the point of SIP was to keep hospitals at a manageable level so it appears SIP has been working.

Of course keeping people away works to some extent - the question is how many more cases we would have had without it. I bet if you let people return to their offices practicing increased hygiene (masks where necessary) and open up with restrictions you'd see less than 20% increase in total cases if at all. The vast majority of infections even before the SIP where within the family like with every contagious illness. Just keep social distance to the old and weak where necessary. It's very difficult to say to what extent the SIP reduces transmission if you had no tests before the SIP to begin with - no data no comparison.

Tim Aurora says

comaprisons

I hate those places. They are usually a death sentence.

ThreeBays says

Keyword is "still". Step back and ponder why you're not thinking this through beyond today?

Because it doesn't matter. The goal posts keep moving on this. No one knows this virus outside of knowing who it's killing. I posted the article in another thread(s). 20% of our deaths are in nursing homes ALONE. That's not accounting for retirement communities where the residents are fully capable of taking care of themselves and live independent lives with other underlying conditions. 55+ communities or whatever the allowable legal code is in your area. ALL of these place were mostly wide open in March.

It's extremely likely we could shut down these two sources of death and drop the death rate by 40-60%. Likely higher. At this point it's probably too late, hence why I'm saying tomorrow doesn't matter from your above quote. There are fewer and fewer victims to kill as the days go by. This ship has sailed and there was zero way to prevent that outside of China and the WHO not being cunts. Destroying the economy and politicizing this in many cases is pure evil.

Beside staying at home, this whole thing doesn't even move the needle for me personally. So this isn't emotion of not having a job, money, food or even a loved one that's died. My wife and I can live for a couple years without a single paycheck. This is pure bullshit and history is going to tell a different story when this is all said and done. We'll end up with a semi effective vaccine where there are still 10's of thousands of deaths every year, just. like. the. flu.

And he had the perfect position to analyze it looking right up the ass of the infected rider...
logic says

You should be able to agree with this, Spoke would have needed to know how the virus affects people before he would have been able to make any logical determination