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bob2356 says

Patrick says

Hey, whatever happened to the "Russia conspiracy"? How come there is still zero evidence?

And where are the incredibly damaging revelations that were were promised would come from indicting Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen?

Could it be that perhaps Russia was not actually involved in the election, and that the American people themselves elected Trump?

Nice job setting up a total strawman. Russian interference in the election never depended on any "conspiracy" to work with them.. There is undeniable evidence of Russian interference which was going to happen if anyone in trumps campaign conspired with them or not. Lack of conspiracy with the trump campaign doesn't preclude Russian interference in the election no matter how many times you click your heels and say i wish it were true.

Wait, you are admitting that there is no evidence the Trump campaign colluded with Russia regarding the 2016 election?

Where DID Russia Go?

Replaced with Racist Trump Supporters?

https://saraacarter.com/fbis-central-evidence-to-spy-on-trump-campaign-was-russian-disinformation-declassified-ig-footnotes-reveal/

Partially declassified footnotes from Department of Justice Inspector General Michael Horowitz’s FBI report reveal that the most ‘central and essential’ evidence to justify surveillance of short term Trump campaign volunteer Carter Page was based on Russian disinformation, according to newly declassified footnotes. In January, U.S. Sens. Ron Johnson, R-Wis., and Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, sent a classified letter questioning the contradiction between the footnotes and what was made public by Horowitz’s team regarding the bureau’s Crossfire Hurricane investigation....

The declassification came at the request Grassely and Johnson, whose committees have been dedicated to uncovering the truth regarding the FBI’s malfeasance during the bureau’s probe into President Donald Trump’s campaign and its now debunked theory that campaign officials colluded with Russia. ...

Johnson, who spoke to this reporter Friday said that the American people deserve the whole truth and that revelations in the partially declassified footnotes reveals that some members of the FBI’s top echelon “were total and complete snakes.” Johnson told this reporter Friday that he expects further declassification of the footnotes by early next week. ...

“Why have all these details remained unnecessarily secret for so long? In our dual system of Justice, the Mueller Witch Hunt crew falsely misrepresented my own “historical contact with persons and entities suspected of being linked to RIS, when I was actually serving my country in support of the U.S. Intelligence Community,” Page told this reporter. “The time has finally come for the Office of the Director of National Intelligence and related agencies to release the full facts about the Obama-Biden Administration’s election interference campaign against candidate Trump and the illicit coup attempt against our President.”

So the Democrats/Media/FBI deep state were using Russian disinformation in an attempt to subvert US democracy.

Just great.

No one is checking on caged kids either.

Dude, please.

It's literally been years of rigged investigations and they still got nothing.

Every country interferes with the political process of every other country. If they didn't they would be viewed as weak. Of course Russia interferes in our political process, even if it is token, because they would otherwise be viewed as sissies.

And we do the same.

Point is, the whole Russia thing was a deliberate hoax put on by our own FBI to try to prevent democracy from functioning in America.

This is really serious.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/all-the-adam-schiff-transcripts-11589326164

All the Adam Schiff Transcripts
Newly released documents show he knew all along that there was no proof of Russia-Trump collusion.

Americans expect that politicians will lie, but sometimes the examples are so brazen that they deserve special notice. Newly released Congressional testimony shows that Adam Schiff spread falsehoods shamelessly about Russia and Donald Trump for three years even as his own committee gathered contrary evidence.

The House Intelligence Committee last week released 57 transcripts of interviews it conducted in its investigation into Russia’s meddling in the 2016 election. The committee probe started in January 2017 under then-Chair...

Paywall dammit. But you get the idea.

Schiff knew that the Russia accusations were bogus all along.

sounds like accusations have turned around, as there was no russia evidence, but plenty of lies from the left evidence. so left wing media is sweeping their bullshit under the rug, until they figure out some other way to mindfuck america.

jazz_music says

It doesn't matter how true it is any more since the special prosecutor decided not to prosecute.

So true and beyond doubt that the House decided not to Impeach over Russian Collusion, either.

jazz_music says

Congress impeached Trump on abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.

No. Some geriatric idiots in the senate were desperate to cover up their shortcomings so they Trumped up some charges that had little basis in reality. They passed this travesty over to the Senate where it was given its due process after which the congressional impeachment process exonerated him.

jazz_music says

when was orange man EVER good?

You guys would be more productive to be for something instead of just against Trump.

It didn't work for Hillary and it won't work for Joe.

Onvacation says

would be more productive to be for something instead of just against Trump

Exactly!

Democrats have nothing positive to offer.

Democrats have only hate for the orange man, nothing else. OK, maybe tranny bathrooms. But that's not a positive unless you are a child molester.

They would do much better if they would steal Trump's thunder, and talk about how China fucked the US with help from almost every American CEO, and how mass illegal immigration fucks the US working class.

But they can't do that. Their mouths are stuffed full of globalist cock, so they cannot speak.

jazz_music says

Deregulation is really bad too

Not necessarily.

Most regulations are designed to prevent competition by rivals and not to protect the public.

John Kenneth Galbraith introduced me to this idea. It seems to be correct.

When any corporation accumulates enough power, it creates regulations specifically to hinder free market competition.

jazz_music says

Deregulation is really bad too, that’s exactly the opposite of what we need.

Problem is not deregulation as such, but that after deregulation banksters do stupid stuff and then politicians bail them out on public dime. Without bailouts, next generation of banksters would be more careful (after the previous generation would have gone broke and FUCKING JUMPED OUT OF WINDOWS).

The SOP is as follows: banksters first whine about too much regulations, and when those are removed (after hefty bribes), they go all out with stupid stuff, pay themselves billions, company is driven into ground, and then they go to politicians, bribe them once more - and - voila! - banks are solvent again, but banksters are billions richer.

Either very few regulations and no bailouts whatsoever, or turn banks into highly regulated public utilities with CEO of bank earning on order of US Pres salary, no bonuses, What we have now is an abomination, worst of those two combined.

jazz_music says

and enjoy laughing at the smart people

Again, doesn't that seem kind of self-congratulatory?

This is a major factor in driving people away from the Democratic Party.

The thing is, they're not smart.

The smart set spends most of their time attacking actual smart people with amazing track records, like Elon Musk or that guy from the Cold Harbor Lab.

Reusable Rockets? RNA? Fuck that, you don't know about the oppression Left Handed Lesbian Midget Albanian Albinos face on a daily basis. I bet you never read one line of Susan Sontag!

rd6B says

turn banks into highly regulated public utilities

Do you mean "end the fed"?

rd6B says

The SOP is as follows: banksters first whine about too much regulations, and when those are removed (after hefty bribes), they go all out with stupid stuff, pay themselves billions, company is driven into ground, and then they go to politicians, bribe them once more - and - voila! - banks are solvent again, but banksters are billions richer.

Yes. I wasn't talking about financial regulations though. Those seem good.

But some "anti-pollution" regulation does little for the environment and a lot to hinder competitors.

jazz_music says

none have job security

Nonsense!

If you have skills you can put them to use or hire yourself out to someone. If you work hard and are willing to put in the effort you will be successful.

If you're a victim waiting to be made whole by the system you'll be disappointed.

jazz_music says

Only Trump possesses the truth now.

Don't worry. He'll share it with us.

Patrick says

jazz_music says

Deregulation is really bad too

Not necessarily.

Most regulations are designed to prevent competition by rivals and not to protect the public.

John Kenneth Galbraith introduced me to this idea. It seems to be correct.

framing regulation as if it were salt in a soup is the lie. regulation is rules for an industrial game. we need proper rules, not more or less salt in the soup.

Onvacation says

Do you mean "end the fed"?

that would be fantastic

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

The VTB/DB note is still in force and ready to describe exactly who owns Donnie the Cunt.

Kind of amazing that Trump has been able to hide that note for so long, with Democrats baying for his blood for 4 years now.

Trump must be some kind of genius, lol.

Or maybe the note doesn't exist.

Onvacation says

If you work hard and are willing to put in the effort you will be successful.

Sure, hard work still counts for something in America.

But jazz is right about "privileges inherited". Black and Hispanic people get inherited privileges through the color of their skin alone.

(Non-Jewish) White people, on the other hand, are actively discriminated against because of the color of their skin. They are rejected from universities and not eligible for many scholarships and government programs for no reason other than their race.

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

Both sides are throwing bombshells at each other. Why do they all turn out to be duds?

Patrick says

Kind of amazing that Trump has been able to hide that note for so long, with Democrats baying for his blood for 4 years now.

Trump must be some kind of genius, lol.

Or maybe the note doesn't exist.

I am very confident that something like that exists, may be not in writing. In former Soviet Union, crap like that is standard operating procedure. If you deal with E. European crooks, you will get dirty. See Manafort - that is the only thing they could get him for.

Let's not elevate our Great leader to the level 9000 of Infallible, Omnihonest Deity. He is better than Ms Clinton and Mr Biden by a mile, but he is not a saint.

Patrick says

(Non-Jewish) White people

At universities Jewish White people are discriminated just like Non-Jewish White people at least in sciences/engineering.

rd6B says

See Manafort - that is the only thing they could get him for.

Who they? You mean the corrupt FBI?

They investigated everyone around Trump looking for any kind of dirt and the only thing they could find is Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador and Manafort's dealings from long before he ever worked for Trump.

Where's the beef?

rd6B says

He is better than Ms Clinton and Mr Biden by a mile, but he is not a saint.

Agreed! Clinton and Biden can't hold a candle to the greatness that is our president Trump.

jazz_music says

The worst bailout ever just happened after 2 consecutive devastating tax gifts to the top wealthy few even. Those fucks just love Trump, and while Trump campaigns incessantly the GOP operates in the shadows shutting down any part of government that doesn’t directly benefit the top donors.

If they would allow rich people to go broke, as opposed to continuously bailing them out with public money and low interest rates, that would not be a problem. If they were incompetent and too self-enriching (paying themselves too much instead of making sure that company does well), they would go broke and JUMP!

Onvacation says

Who they? You mean the corrupt FBI?

They investigated everyone around Trump looking for any kind of dirt and the only thing they could find is Flynn talked to the Russian ambassador and Manafort's dealings from long before he ever worked for Trump.

Where's the beef?

they got Manafort for his Ukraine dealings, not Trump. Point is that if someone (such as Manafort) deals with E. Europe, you WILL be able to get him as business there is, shall we say, very specific.
With Deutsche bank note, perhaps it does not have trump's name on it, but some kind of shell company/associate or something like that, so they can't get to him, I am not sure as I know nothing more than we can find in media - @AF?

jazz_music says

Meritocracy fails, some are lucky.

My point is that what you say is laudable but not good enough, not true enough, not even civilized.

Then there are corrupt markets, and privileges inherited etc., etc.

Meritocracy is not a lottery. To be successful you need hard work and talent. If you have little talent you need to work harder.

If you can't make it in the most egalitarian country in the history of the world it might not be the system that has the problem.

jazz_music says

Onvacation says

the congressional impeachment process exonerated him.

No Barr may have said that, I’m not sure what that even means in his position,

It means our president was not guilty of the trumped up charges that came about after the whistle-blower didn't like the way Trump talked on the phone.

Patrick says

Sure, hard work still counts for something in America.

But jazz is right about "privileges inherited". Black and Hispanic people get inherited privileges through the color of their skin alone.

People from the ghetto are successful. People born in power become stripper chasing coke heads. I am not denying that some are born with privilege. I am just saying that America has opportunity for those willing to pursue it.

Patrick says

(Non-Jewish) White people, on the other hand, are actively discriminated against because of the color of their skin. They are rejected from universities and not eligible for many scholarships and government programs for no reason other than their race.

No doubt.
I am looking forward to when we "will one day live in a nation where they [our children] will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character."