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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   28,090 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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114   mell   2020 Jul 22, 12:17pm  

joshuatrio says
socal2 says

California mandated face masks weeks ago, was the first state to lock down and has some of the strictest lock down rules in the country. Yet California's infection rate is skyrocketing.

So what do you attribute the warp speed at which the virus is spreading in California?


#itsthetesting


Yep probably half of them is asymptomatic which should qualify you as healthy. It's utter bullshit and blatantly unconstitutional to demand healthy people who test positive to stay at home against their will.
115   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 12:24pm  

mell says
#itsthetesting


Yep probably half of them is asymptomatic which should qualify you as healthy. It's utter bullshit and blatantly unconstitutional to demand healthy people who test positive to stay at home against their will.


Yep - I agree with all of that.

Just pointing out the silly claim that many Lefties seem to be making this week that "if only Trump wore a mask, places like California wouldn't have skyrocketing infection rates"

As if the Liberals in California would listen to Trump anyway.
116   mell   2020 Jul 22, 12:27pm  

socal2 says
mell says
#itsthetesting


Yep probably half of them is asymptomatic which should qualify you as healthy. It's utter bullshit and blatantly unconstitutional to demand healthy people who test positive to stay at home against their will.


Yep - I agree with all of that.

Just pointing out the silly claim that many Lefties seem to be making this week that "if only Trump wore a mask, places like California wouldn't have skyrocketing infection rates"

As if the Liberals in California would listen to Trump anyway.


Right this is all TDS and utter leftoid BS. So NY and CA now have comparable number if infections. Nothing about that is "skyrocketing". CA has double the population and now increased testing. So NY has still done far worse and it's only testimony to the fact that eventually the virus spreads evenly no matter what the fuck you do.
117   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:27pm  

Seriously?
When california locked down heavy volume indoor businesses were shuttered.
Remaining open businesses took recommended precautions, primarily social distancing and facemasks.
Infection rates leveled off but never went down due to ever increasing testing

When california opened up, obviously home gatherings without facemasks, and densely populated public places with partial facemasks restarted the upward trend.
But lack of mask wearing during the reopening amplified the increasing numbers

socal2 says
California mandated face masks weeks ago, was the first state to lock down and has some of the strictest lock down rules in the country. Yet California's infection rate is skyrocketing.

So what do you attribute the warp speed at which the virus is spreading in California?
118   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:31pm  

Yes, testing increased, but so did the infection rate due to mask abandonment in densely populated places ( see BARS ).
A double whammy making cali look a lot worse than it should have with testing alone.

joshuatrio says
socal2 says

#itsthetesting
119   mell   2020 Jul 22, 12:32pm  

prodigy says
Seriously?
When california locked down heavy volume indoor businesses were shuttered.
Remaining open businesses took recommended precautions, primarily social distancing and facemasks.
Infection rates leveled off but never went down due to ever increasing testing

When california opened up, obviously home gatherings without facemasks, and densely populated public places with partial facemasks restarted the upward trend.
But lack of mask wearing during the reopening amplified the increasing numbers

socal2 says
California mandated face masks weeks ago, was the first state to lock down and has some of the strictest lock down rules in the country. Yet California's infection rate is skyrocketing.

So what do you attribute the warp speed at which the virus is spreading in California?


There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all. And it causes many issues due to bacterial infections and reduced oxygen intake.
120   Patrick   2020 Jul 22, 12:35pm  

mell says
There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all.


Especially outdoors.

It is extremely difficult to pass on Wuhan virus outdoors. The Chinese published a study of thousands of known transmission. Only one was outdoors, and that was two guys sitting next to each other and talking.
121   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:36pm  

"most should know many sick and/or dying for it be a pandemic"

Thats a nice opinion.
Care to back it up with something? Anything?

CBOEtrader says
prodigy says
One has to know someone with a specific disease to believe it is dangerous?


a disease? no. a pandemic? yeah by the definition of the word, most should know many sick and/or dying for it be a pandemic.
122   mell   2020 Jul 22, 12:40pm  

Patrick says
mell says
There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all.


Especially outdoors.

It is extremely difficult to pass on Wuhan virus outdoors. The Chinese published a study of thousands of known transmission. Only one was outdoors, and that was two guys sitting next to each other and talking.


Right, also indoors the owner/renter can mandate whatever they want, people can choose to go in and comply or not. The interesting thing is that they really still don't know what the main action of spread is. But the current consensus of droplet (only) is becoming more and more unlikely. It's either aerosol and/or touch or some other mechanism such as unfiltered sewage (vapors/particles) in addition to having a symptomatic person cough on you.
123   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:45pm  

Here ya go.
www.youtube.com/embed/RkB0k81oNiI
This is as obvious as it gets...

mell says
There is zero proof that any mask under N95 slows the spread at all. And it causes many issues due to bacterial infections and reduced oxygen intake
124   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:46pm  

stitched cotton baby...nomovoro...
125   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:47pm  

Agreed, unless you are in an outdoor stadium squashed into a seat and the person beside you is spitting virus.
over 3 hours you might accumulate enough to get sick.

Patrick says
Especially outdoors.

It is extremely difficult to pass on Wuhan virus outdoors. The Chinese published a study of thousands of known transmission. Only one was outdoors, and that was two guys sitting next to each other and talking.
126   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:48pm  

It's mainly an indoor plague.
127   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 12:53pm  

A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?

Not something that one would want to hear, but living under communist rule during a pandemic may be the most effective way to eliminate it.
Freedom always extracts a price, this time from mother nature.

mell says
The answer is simple. Masks don't help much and increased testing uncovers many more positives
128   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:00pm  

All of which moves a whopping 2 inches out of your cotton stitched mask when worn.

mell says
But the current consensus of droplet (only) is becoming more and more unlikely. It's either aerosol and/or touch or some other mechanism such as unfiltered sewage (vapors/particles) in addition to having a symptomatic person cough on you.
129   mell   2020 Jul 22, 1:05pm  

prodigy says
A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?

Not something that one would want to hear, but living under communist rule during a pandemic may be the most effective way to eliminate it.
Freedom always extracts a price, this time from mother nature.

mell says
The answer is simple. Masks don't help much and increased testing uncovers many more positives


The Chinese don't know anything about it and apply any measure - effective or not. Also in densely populated areas and with their worse sanitary system there are a lot of other infections going around, so making them wear masks will help surely with something but not necessarily Covid-19. For a free country rooted on science though it's not a proven or effective measure at all. Generally it's nice and effective if sick people don't go out or to the office until they are asymptomatic and if they go out into indoor or crowded spaces they should wear masks as a courtesy, but making everyone making a face mask accomplishes nothing, is highly ineffective and likely will cause worse health effects down the line. The science is clear.
130   Onvacation   2020 Jul 22, 1:17pm  

prodigy says
So you are so freaked out that trump might lose that you would have 10's of thousands of people die prematurely due to no implementation of facemask wearing, enabling the virus to propogate at warp speed.
The issue is medical in nature, your response is political in nature.

Tens of thousands? I thought millions were to die?
131   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:20pm  

Watch the movie again, and then recalculate the effectiveness of a cotton stitched mask.
mell says
but making everyone making a face mask accomplishes nothing, is highly ineffective and likely will cause worse health effects down the line.


www.youtube.com/embed/RkB0k81oNiI
132   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 1:22pm  

prodigy says
A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?


Simple.

Commies who unleashed a worldwide plague due to their incompetence (or maliciousness?) lie.
133   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:27pm  

If it was due to commie incompetence, the chinese would still have the infection rates or worse that we have.
If it was due to maliciousness, then they created the fucker and have the vaccine already distributed in the food chain unknown to the population.
Time to launch the nukes?

socal2 says
prodigy says
A billion or two chinese would tend to disagree with this statement.
These people have to wear masks or get shot.
How do you explain their ridiculously low infection rate given the population count?


Simple.

Commies who unleashed a worldwide plague due to their incompetence (or maliciousness?) lie.
134   WookieMan   2020 Jul 22, 1:27pm  

prodigy says
Data used for each instance:
1- Fauci knew facemasks would help versus any orally transmitted virus, but at the time due to a shortage of N95 facemasks, the available ones needed to be directed to medical staff servicing virus patients. Thus he correctly recommended that the public should not wear facemasks so as to not have the medical staff infected to the point where there were not enough caregivers available for the truly sick.

Too many comments, so maybe someone addressed this already. 1,000% wrong. He's now saying cloth bandana type "masks" are okay. That would have never influenced the professional PPE masks and gear for docs and nurses. He was wrong. You know it too.

prodigy says
So you are so freaked out that trump might lose that you would have 10's of thousands of people die prematurely due to no implementation of facemask wearing, enabling the virus to propogate at warp speed.
The issue is medical in nature, your response is political in nature.


A virus has NOTHING to do with Trump or Biden. One has to question the response by Fauci. That's all I'm saying. My life will be just fine and dandy if either get elected because I don't fucking care and they don't influence me and how I make money. Fauci was wrong and Trump is keeping him around to be his scapegoat. It's as obvious as the sun setting.

If danger is 0.04% of the population dying (150k out of 330M documented citizens), I'm afraid we disagree on the definition of dangerous. It's a rounding error and most were likely to die of something else before contracting Covid AND dying from it. It's statistically insignificant. If we're hitting 1% then I'd agree with you. Math and data matter though. You seem to be ignoring it.

Also, if you can, make it easier to respond if you quote multiple things in one comment when addressing other users. Otherwise comments just get buried. I'd rather have one long comment instead of 6 comments address each individual point of someone else's comment.
135   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 1:30pm  

prodigy says
When california opened up, obviously home gatherings without facemasks, and densely populated public places with partial facemasks restarted the upward trend.
But lack of mask wearing during the reopening amplified the increasing numbers


Deaths in California were pretty stable and even declining before California required mandatory masks on June 21 and started locking the state back down. Most people in California (other than BLM rioters) were wearing masks back in May.

Yet deaths are still increasing in California.

I am not disputing that masks can help slow the spread. Just disputing that masks or lack thereof are the main reason for the 2nd wave we are seeing now.

We were ALWAYS going to get hit by a second wave. That was by design with "Flattening the Curve".




136   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 1:31pm  

prodigy says
If it was due to commie incompetence, the chinese would still have the infection rates or worse that we have.


Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.

They have every incentive in the world to fudge their numbers.
137   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:33pm  

So what measure did they apply to virtually eliminate the virus from their country.
mell says
The Chinese don't know anything about it and apply any measure - effective or not.


138   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:38pm  

here's a hint...

139   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:40pm  

I agree they would attempt to fudge it but they could not hide these ridiculously low levels. 14 a day??

socal2 says
prodigy says
If it was due to commie incompetence, the chinese would still have the infection rates or worse that we have.


Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.

They have every incentive in the world to fudge their numbers.
140   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:42pm  

deaths are 2-3 weeks out from infection.
when the infection rates peaked june 21, deaths followed 2-3 weeks later.
simple.
socal2 says
Deaths in California were pretty stable and even declining before California required mandatory masks on June 21 and started locking the state back down. Most people in California (other than BLM rioters) were wearing masks back in May.

Yet deaths are still increasing in California.
141   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 1:48pm  

prodigy says
deaths are 2-3 weeks out from infection.


It's closer to 10 days.

And clearly we are not seeing a huge spike in deaths matching the huge increase in positive cases.

142   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:48pm  

No, I never said that.
I believe a country of 1.4 billion people could not possibly claim a daily infection rate of 14 and actually have what we have, 47k per day, without it leaking out to the free world.

socal2 says
Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.
143   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:50pm  

Due to the young catching the majority of new cases.
the worry here is that the kids will transmit it back to the oldies.

socal2 says
And clearly we are not seeing a huge spike in deaths matching the huge increase in positive cases.

144   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:51pm  

So what is?
California had flattened the curve during the lockdown.
What happened?

socal2 says
Just disputing that masks or lack thereof are the main reason for the 2nd wave we are seeing now
145   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:51pm  

The only thing I've seen are a lot of mass gatherings of people with maskless faces...
146   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:55pm  

This part of the post is not talking about "now".
It's talking about the first time period back in late feb/march when fauci said masks not necessary. He was protecting the PPE for the nurses.

"too many comments"?? tough to keep up?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Data used for each instance:
1- Fauci knew facemasks would help versus any orally transmitted virus, but at the time due to a shortage of N95 facemasks, the available ones needed to be directed to medical staff servicing virus patients. Thus he correctly recommended that the public should not wear facemasks so as to not have the medical staff infected to the point where there were not enough caregivers available for the truly sick.

Too many comments, so maybe someone addressed this already. 1,000% wrong. He's now saying cloth bandana type "masks" are okay. That would have never influenced the professional PPE masks and gear for docs and nurses. He was wrong. You know it too.
147   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 2:03pm  

prodigy says
So what is?
California had flattened the curve during the lockdown.
What happened?


Perhaps, massive BLM protests in California's major cities in June/July? How many home gatherings and back yard BBQ's do you think this massive crowd in LA would equate to in the video? Add in all the riots and protests in Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego.......that's alot of opportunity for transmission.

In addition, here in San Diego, many of the new infections are coming from cross border travel with Mexico.

www.youtube.com/embed/0U0J40Gn574&t=131s
148   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:12pm  

well the virus normally spreads when you get it on your hands, and then touch your nose, mouth, or eyes.
A mask eliminates nose and mouth touching.
149   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:17pm  

Now we are finally getting to the meat of the matter.
My definition of "dangerous" is taken out of the dictionary.
Your definition of "dangerous" is based on some magical number of infections or percentage of infections.
My definition is based on a universally accepted reference book of words and their meanings.
Your definition is based on a whim, a feeling, a guess, something, anything that backs your narrative.

WookieMan says
If danger is 0.04% of the population dying (150k out of 330M documented citizens), I'm afraid we disagree on the definition of dangerous.
150   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:21pm  

socal2 says
Perhaps,


and that's the crux of the matter. nobody knows shit for sure, other than the number of refrigerated trucks used to haul away the bodies.
So what I go on is what I can see, what is the most likely to inhibit transmission.

152   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:22pm  

The holy trinity of Covid 19 protection.
153   mell   2020 Jul 22, 2:44pm  

prodigy says
So what measure did they apply to virtually eliminate the virus from their country.
mell says


Besides fudging their numbers they also instituted brownshirt style house arrests - sure that will prevent the spread beyond families but also cause death and suffering in other ways. Probably also spraying disinfectant all over the city and houses, probably killing a lot of sars-cov-2 but substituting it with dire long term health effects for the whole population. I'm not against masks, but I'm against forcing people to wear masks outside and forcing owners/renters to have people wear masks inside and/or shutdown their business - it should be up to them and their patrons.

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