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theOrangeManIsBad says

mell says

It's the same virus for goodness sake.

Same virus. Different actions = different result.
South Korea and New Zealand also experienced the same virus, but had a different response and got a different result.
Trump lies. Americans die.

That is a disqualifier right there. Data has clearly shown that there is no correlation between "measures" and infection rates. See Sweden, Netherlands etc.

theOrangeManIsBad says

mell says

That is a disqualifier right there. Data has clearly shown that there is no correlation between "measures" and infection rates. See Sweden, Netherlands etc.

I've read multiple stories stating that Sweden had higher death rates and a bigger economic decline than their Nordic neighbors. I don't know the latest, but last I read, their death toll was something like 5-8 times as high per person as other Nordic countries. That doesn't seem like a success story to me. We will soon pass them in deaths per capita, so they have that.

https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls-8pc-in-q2-worse-nordic-neighbors-2020-8

Export and Tourism is down because the lock down zealots don't do business. Gdp is irrelevant here and was never their motivation. If many small businesses owners and low income individuals lose their jobs you won't see any change in GDP as long as amazon and apple rake in the moolah. In terms of freedom for people and infections and deaths Sweden is now regarded as a sucess story by most world media and governments, even by former critics. Maybe not CNN but they suffer from extreme TDS so can't count them.

theOrangeManIsBad says

I've read multiple stories stating that Sweden had higher death rates and a bigger economic decline than their Nordic neighbors.

Why not compare to Europe? Sweden has double the population of it's neighbors, Finland and Norway. It's more dense per km than either (25 people/km2 vs. 19 and 15 for Finland and Norway).

What we should really be asking is what did China do? Their deaths peaked at a few thousand months ago and have barely risen since then, in a nation of 1B people.

hahahahaha

clambo says

Strangely, nobody knows anyone who has died from it.
This is an unscientific anecdotal observation.

I finally talked with a neighbor who knows a middle aged couple who got it. She said that they had a really unpleasant illness. I asked if they went to hospital: no I asked if they were dead or close to dead: no. So, basically, a not so nice cold for those who get symptoms, and lingering malaise. So what, that describes the couple of colds and flus I get every year. Flu: 10 days sick, (about four or five of them severe), six weeks feeling a bit subpar.

NoCoupForYou says

What we should really be asking is what did China do? Their deaths peaked at a few thousand months ago and have barely risen since then, in a nation of 1B people.

hahahahaha

Also it's always something else. For a while deaths than infections and now that Sweden is looking pretty good in both departments everything open schools etc no masks, now it's the GDP. lol

Check out a comment on another recent thread, and all will be clear.

You're talking about Hunter Biden right?

GreaterNYCDude says

Why would Trump even agree participate in this? He ought to have known that no matter what he said, Woodward would not paint it in a favorable light.

Most people in media and "journalism" don't say a favorable thing anyway. Wonder if Trump is at the who gives a fuck point, I can spin it to win it and they can't.

I personally think it was an overreaction and Trump did too much with regards to todays Covid hoopla. Restaurants should have never been shuddered. I get arenas and concerts, but I'd bet outdoor one's would be completely fine to have. Sure there could be transmission, but this is overkill at this point. Most the dead are in nursing homes and most nursing homes today are bigger corporate entities. Who the hell knows how deaths are filed by the paper pushers that are told what to do by a CEO.

Fuck a whole region still accounts for damn near 1/3rd of deaths. Trump has to still worry about Montana, New Mexico, etc. At some point the leadership in these areas made poor decisions. Deaths per million in the Northeast are well over double most the country besides two hill billy states in the south. Deaths would be substantially less if you take out the Northeast and also remember that a lot of this is death WITH Covid and not death DUE to Covid.

Thanks @mell

Can you point to an example comment?

Patrick says

Thanks @mell

Can you point to an example comment?

https://www.patrick.net/post/1335048/?c=1699587 should have gone under https://www.patrick.net/post/1335053/2020-09-12-facial-masking-for-covid-19-potential-for-variolation

Seem like it doesn't happen anymore, but I'm also on the laptop, and it happened to two comments submitted via phone.

Test from phone

Ok seems to be working now - must have been a fluke.

Test

There are constant attempts to break in to the site, mostly automated.

I’m still learning about this. I wasn’t aware of this case before today. Apparently his landlord canceled the lease on his bar and go fund me wouldn’t let him raise money for his defense.

It’s criminal how this veteran was treated.

Since his business is probably broke, he may have thought he didn't have the money to proceed. Any decent GoFundMe could have fixed this, but some folks aren't savvy enough to find help. Especially if you've just shot someone for the first time in your life.

rocketjoe79 says

Any decent GoFundMe could have fixed this

Again, go fund me shut him down.

You all know my policy on people who commit suicide. I don't think they are worthy of mourning, or sympathy, it's a cowardly act.
But damn this whole story makes me feel like a hypocrite.

Tenpoundbass says

You all know my policy on people who commit suicide. I don't think they are worthy of mourning, or sympathy, it's a cowardly act.
But damn this whole story makes me feel like a hypocrite.

We have no idea what was going on. I do wonder if he thought about going out in a blaze of glory in Portland but changed his mind.

hahahahaha

Yes, it's the up/down arrow left of the title.

The up/down arrows are slightly broken in that you can click them twice and a "like" email will go to the author of the post twice. But if you then reload the page, it will be greyed out and unclickable. I need to fix that.

Maybe it was a mistake.

This is what you've been championing for years.

Welcome back. Not sure if I'm on ignore. I'll listen later, but my guess is Matt is just doing what all the media does and he has been doing forever. He's trying to make money. There's not an authentic bone in the guys body. He'll ebb and flow in whatever direction makes him money as a so called "journalist" type.

The birth pangs of the arrogant lisping woke progressive hipster being red pilled by age and experience is a thing to behold.

Media owned by few corporations, and just few billionaires playing what those billionaires want. Media needs breaking up.

I like Matt, but this is too long.

WookieMan says

Welcome back. Not sure if I'm on ignore. I'll listen later, but my guess is Matt is just doing what all the media does and he has been doing forever. He's trying to make money. There's not an authentic bone in the guys body. He'll ebb and flow in whatever direction makes him money as a so called "journalist" type.

I kinda disagree - Matt seems to be genuine, and even though I can not accept all that he says, in grand scheme of things he seems to be right. Remeber vampire squid from ca. 2008 bank crisis...

Brd6 says

I kinda disagree - Matt seems to be genuine, and even though I can not accept all that he says, in grand scheme of things he seems to be right. Remeber vampire squid from ca. 2008 bank crisis...

I'm not going to lie, I simply just don't like him and don't even care what he has to say. His demeanor makes me think he's a ass hat and probably beats or fucks kids. And I'm being honest that I've given him a chance, but just can't stand the dude. I still will probably watch some of this at some point, but I'm 99% of the time spot on about judging someone's character and it hasn't failed me yet. More difficult not having met the guy in person, but from my observation of the guy something is off.

Ok finally had time to listen to this one. Good stuff. He breaks it down so it’s not about left vs right as much as an intentional switch to agitation of the public and corralling people into their ideological niches and keeping them there frantically watching their favorite news source to make money on ads.

I did like how Matt kept shutting down the cat lady prog interviewer with her woketard questions. Maybe she learned something, hard to say.

Shaman says

Ok finally had time to listen to this one. Good stuff. He breaks it down so it’s not about left vs right as much as an intentional switch to agitation of the public and corralling people into their ideological niches and keeping them there frantically watching their favorite news source to make money on ads.

Follow up on my earlier comment. He does have some decent points of view. I just don't trust his character. Dude has skeletons somewhere and they'll come out eventually. I'll try to give it a listen this afternoon even though the guy rubs me the wrong way (insert gay joke).

WookieMan says

Dude has skeletons somewhere

likely he is using strong substances, but that does not distract from message, at least for me

Brd6 says

likely he is using strong substances

I'm fine with that actually. I could be 100% wrong, but he has a pedophile vibe. Not sure how to describe it or how I see what I'm thinking. Something is off with the guy outside of his work as a journalist. That then taints my view of his work, some of which I thought was abhorrent years ago. He's seeming to come around, but his past thoughts I guess are what make me question his private life.

Is Kenji a bot?

Kenji says

NancyPelosiHaircut says

Is Kenji a bot?

Ever been punched in the face by a bot ?

Sounds like an NPC

Makes one wonder what kind of crap did Nancy&Co try to sneak into the bill.

"He doesn't want to be elected!"