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I'm tempted to pull out some underwear and put it on my head each time a masker walks by.

Patrick says

I'm tempted to pull out some underwear and put it on my head each time a masker walks by.

Halloween masks look more fun with humor to it. Underwear will make you look crazy, wouldn’t be funny.

ThreeBays says

Is the argument that there's no proof of efficacy outdoors?

@ThreeBays The argument is that people like you are willingly turning the US into a fascist state.

You are far more likely to be struck by a car outdoors than to catch the virus. There has not been a single recorded case of casual outdoor transmission anywhere on earth, ever.

Not one.

You are literally more likely to be hit by a meteor than to catch the virus walking past someone outdoors. Someone has been hit by a meteor, but no one has ever caught the virus outdoors unless they were in close and extended conversation. And even in that case, it's exceptionally difficult and rare to transmit.

ThreeBays says

First of all this isn't true, for example this systematic review concludes that 10% of cases occur outdoors, and includes at least one entry stating "one transmission occurred while jogging in Codogno, Italy" https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33249484/ .

How in the flying fuck is an outdoor transmission provable? It can't be. Look at the source, I'm not opening the link. NIH.gov.... That's your source? They literally told you not to wear masks. Science changed in 2-3 months? Explain that away and maybe a constructive conversation can be had. Then explain away how TWO masks is effective currently as cases have been dropping.

Mask don't work and you don't have any evidence. Cases have only risen since mandates were put into place. They don't work.

ThreeBays says

Patrick says

@ThreeBays The argument is that people like you are willingly turning the US into a fascist state.

Can you actually explain that, using the definition of fascism? I think you're misusing the word.

Fascism is blind obedience to authority. Is that concise enough?

People often mistake this for "patriotism" - patriotism is the insistence the government follow the contract made between the population and the governed. We have a Constitution, when the government violates it, the government is invalid and there is nothing in the Constitution that indicates the Supreme Court is the final arbitrator of the law - WE are.

The Constitution isn't a long read, the federal government is in ABJECT violation of it, it's just interesting what "the land of the free and brave" do about it. Everybody in the military has violated their oath to the Constitution. It's very interesting.

WookieMan says

How in the flying fuck is an outdoor transmission provable? It can't be. Look at the source, I'm not opening the link. NIH.gov.... That's your source? They literally told you not to wear masks. Science changed in 2-3 months? Explain that away and maybe a constructive conversation can be had. Then explain away how TWO masks is effective currently as cases have been dropping.

Mask don't work and you don't have any evidence. Cases have only risen since mandates were put into place. They don't work.

Of course they don't. It's already been shown that mask wearing prevalance and outbreaks are completely unrelated. We also know that LIVING with somebody with symptomatic WARS has a mere 15% transmission rate, much less jogging past somebody in 3 seconds.

Or why Sweden's WARS death rate is so damn low compared to absolute Mask Fanatical countries like the UK or Belgium.

BTW, Google and Wikipedia still publish the People's Republic of China's Official Numbers without a caveat that it's total bullshit.

Nor do they explain what happened to the Flu Season.

Or why 4 of the 5 worst WARS states for death rates have been the most militant about masks, school closures, event, and small business closures - NY, NJ, RI, MA.

If Masks worked, it should be Florida and Texas in the top 5.

Finally, China and India should be leading the pack due to crowding and poverty. They aren't.

Just to give you an idea of what BS the "COVID Deaths" are, China is only reporting under 5000 deaths in total - less than Ireland, Panama or Croatia for fucks sake. Not the death rate, the total deaths.

(I can feel Leftist cognitive dissonance eye roll kicking in writing this)

(Wuhan Acute Respiratory Syndrome)

WookieMan says

Science changed in 2-3 months?

All of the medical literature from the past century to March 2021 is wrong about respiratory viruses.

Unlike all other respiratory viruses, including others of the same genus of Coronaviruses like 229E, HKU1, MERS, and SARS, COVID-19 is completely unique and special. Masks are extremely effective in preventing it, and vastly superior to handwashing, unlike every other Coronavirus known to man, including novel strains from the past decade or so. The Virons of COVID-WUHAN are somehow magical and don't act like all the others embedded in very fine particles when broadcast; they are stopped cold by a few layers of cotton.
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/types.html

Nevermind the studies, forget the numbers, Trust the experts.

ThreeBays says

richwicks says

Fascism is blind obedience to authority. Is that concise enough?

Overly concise and imprecise.

If you mentioned extreme-right,

Try to describe what "the right" is?

Explain their principles. I think you'll have a difficult time. We are all propagandized.

I'm anti-war, I favor small business, minimal government regulation, and I don't consider race as a qualification for a job - only competence. Today, that makes me "extreme right", 50 years ago, it made me a classic liberal.

ThreeBays says

definition of fascism?

Definition of fascism 1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Sound like any party you know?

I did notice that wikipedia's has redefined fascism to mean white male.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

How in the flying fuck is an outdoor transmission provable? It can't be.

You'd think, right? Thanks for confirming that Patrick's condition is absurd.

WookieMan says

Look at the source, I'm not opening the link. NIH.gov.... That's your source?

Invincible ignorance fallacy.

This is why we demand the freedom to make our own health choices. If a person gets sick from wearing a mask, does anyone give a fuck? If not, why? Upper respiratory issues are a thing. Who the fuck are you to make health choices for others?

Fuck you.

Are you willing to forcibly put a mask on someone? If not, you're a pussy.

Canadian doctor with expertise in viruses facing oppression for truth!
She is not backing down.

https://twitter.com/dockaurG/status/1348285965761212420
ਕੂੜ ਨਿਖੁਟੇ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਓੜਕਿ ਸਚਿ ਰਹੀ ॥
"Falsehood shall come to an end O Nanak and truth shall ultimately prevail."
—Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Sikh Holy Scripture

Trumpism is not a party.

Ignorance's cure is education.

ThreeBays says

WookieMan says

How in the flying fuck is an outdoor transmission provable? It can't be.

You'd think, right? Thanks for confirming that Patrick's condition is absurd.

Reading is a skill is all I'll say. No wonder you think masks work.

This isn't about Trump. Yes he did lose because of mail in voting. The data that we have is impossible without it. There are not that many more registered voters and half the population give zero fucks about politics. The percentages of increase are impossible. Honestly even for Trump with the popular vote. For Biden it 100% was impossible.

Back to Covid and masks. You're reading the narrative and not looking at raw data. The narrative isn't science. If masks worked, how does this happen?



Around the time almost all mask mandates kicked in, we increased in cases nation wide, during a time when we had natural UV protection. Indisputable. IF they worked, that wouldn't have happened. They stop nothing. I think you know this but might be trolling at this point.

Then it gets colder across the country and everyone goes back indoors. Cases spike even further. If you were wearing a mask outside, you should have been protected and virus free once you get back home. Nope. We then see the biggest surge.

This is raw data. Not a narrative. It's what happened. You cannot explain how mask work just looking at these two charts. They simply don't. Not all scientists are good at their job like any other profession or not influenced. Prove these charts wrong and tell me masks work. You can't. I'm sick of this shit. It's not left or right. It's data.

Patrick says

When you walk past someone else without a mask on outdoors, please thank them, preferably loud enough for others to hear.

"Thank you for not wearing a mask!"

Conversely, if you have the guts, ask people wearing a mask two questions:

1. "Why are you wearing a mask?" They will reply with some false answer about safety.
2. "How many outdoor transmissions have there been worldwide?"

And that's enough. No need to get into any argument. Let them look up the answer.

The other day I went to Academy to pick up a couple items. Cashier was behind plexi and had a mask on. I couldn't hear anything the left wokey was saying because of this junk.

I walked around the plexi and said "I can't hear you with that shit on your face" - he pulled it down and said what was needed to complete my payment.

WookieMan says

Then it gets colder across the country and everyone goes back indoors. Cases spike even further. If you were wearing a mask outside, you should have been protected and virus free once you get back home.

ThreeBays says

Bullshit. Your graphs just prove that masks don't completely stop the virus, but nobody ever said that they would. You're using a strawman at best

I know. The graphs prove that masks don't work at all. It's not a strawman. It's data.

Our own CDC and "top" infectious disease "expert" said mask didn't work. 2 months later they do. Was he right or wrong? However you answer this you're wrong because Fauci was wrong. You're in a lose/lose situation. So not sure why you want to die on this hill. You literally cannot be right. That data shows masks don't work. We were shut down, put a mask on and cases went UP, WAAAAAAY up. They don't work.

ThreeBays says

I'm not expecting a cogent answer.

Nor have you given many.
ThreeBays says

you just look foolish..

And on the contrary your arguments almost seem plausible, almost. Not that I think Wookie is wrong. He is right.

ThreeBays says

Trumpism is the closest in America, but I wouldn't go as far as calling it Fascist - except maybe in Trumpist's wet dreams of taking power by force from a democratically elected government.

We just had a crooked election to place a corrupt, senile old man, that will do anything the military industrial complex asks him to do.

The United States is a military dictatorship. Not a republic.

ThreeBays says

Did q-anon tell you that, or the my pillow guy? lol

It was the bullshit election where they stopped counting on election night but had to keep counting for weeks.

Or do you think the election went flawlessly?

I think the election was blatantly stolen and the Wuhan overreaction was a key part of the fraud.

ThreeBays says

Did q-anon tell you that, or the my pillow guy? lol

Statistics and math. I don't rely on narratives. Don't think Rich and many others here rely on narratives either. #manipulation #challenge

There's no mathematical way Biden got as many votes as he did and in the areas he did. While proof is likely coming, no one on the other side can prove impossible anomalies in voting count, patterns, etc.

There's likely to be a bombshell at some point to cause turmoil in the US. If you don't see that there's an underground war going on, you're blind. And people on this site or others are not your enemy. Politics be gone. We're actually all on the same side, I just don't think you know it.

You've been manipulated and need to open your eyes. This isn't about Trump or Biden anymore. Never was. That's all a distraction.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/12/briefing/trump-covid-chick-corea-olympics-president.html

Worldwide, scientists have not documented any instances of outdoor transmission unless people were in close conversation, Dr. Muge Cevik, an infectious-disease specialist at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland, told me. “The small number of cases where outdoor transmission might have occurred,” she wrote on Twitter, “were associated with close interactions, particularly extended duration, or settings where people mixed indoors alongside an outdoor setting.”

There are zero documented instances of casual outdoor transmission.

By "fascism" I mean all forms of totalitarianism which require you to show papers simply to move about normal life.

And you, @ThreeBays are clearly supporting this kind of totalitarianism. You are therefore an enemy of basic human rights.

But let's look at it in terms of a principle I just learned:

"Political positions are motivated by existential fears."

So you're afraid you might not exist because you'll get this mostly harmless virus and die. The chances of that seem like pretty much zero to me, unless you're very old and/or very fat. There were no excess deaths in America in 2020 over a normal year. There was just politically motivated counting of normal deaths as virus deaths.

I'm afraid that people like you are being used to drastically reduce our rights, leading to people like Kamala setting up death camps for everyone who questions her absolute power over our free movement, speech, and right to own guns. You probably think I'm crazy to think that. But I do think that.

WookieMan says

You've been manipulated and need to open your eyes. This isn't about Trump or Biden anymore. Never was. That's all a distraction.

What the fuck is Q anyway? And why the fuck should we care what they say? (Rhetorical, please don't answer)

Trump seemed to be on our side, but could the lockdowns have been successful with a democratic president? I think they targeted his germaphobia,

Trump was either a willing actor, or way over his head. I think the people that really control the world have a lot of contingency plans but did not think Hillary would lose twice.

Willingly or not Trump burnt down the whole facade of government from the supreme court to the local police. Like someone else said in a different thread, they have lost credibility. Credibility is something that is easy to lose and almost impossible to regain. I never much trusted the police, but they are doing a valuable job. I used to trust the supreme court, but after the last election I have lost faith in them.

We are at war.

Do you support the requirement that people show papers to move about normal life?

Huh, I wanted to get raw death data and plot it myself, but the only source seems to be the CDC, headed by Fraudulent Fauci, so I really don't trust it. Not that it matters, because they don't release current data anyway:

Currently, the CMF spans the years 1968- 2016

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data_access/cmf.htm#database

OK then, we agree more than I thought.

But I disagree that it's like war time.

If no one told you there was a pandemic, you would notice nothing unusual.

No one can even tell if they were sick or not without a very unreliable test.

Maybe Milan and NYC had surges where hospitals were briefly flooded, but that happens routinely with various flus anyway.

The right response would have been for the elderly and obese to stay at home. Not for the 99.7% of the population that is not at risk to stay home.

America is sailing on an ocean of lies.

WineHorror1 says

America is sailing on an ocean of lies.

Sure is. Reminded me of the Ice Choked Ocean of Lies we heard in the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTnMwmCHmg

Satellites confirm... 40 years of Global Cooling. Land Grant Geophysicists agree - the ice age is coming.

MisdemeanorRebel says

WineHorror1 says

America is sailing on an ocean of lies.

Sure is. Reminded me of the Ice Choked Ocean of Lies we heard in the 1970s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dTnMwmCHmg

Satellites confirm... 40 years of Global Cooling. Land Grant Geophysicists agree - the ice age is coming.

Funny how YouTube put a "Context" statement from Wikipedia that stays in view for the whole video. It appears the Oligarchs have a vested interest in the AGW hoax.

Patrick says

The right response would have been for the elderly and obese to stay at home. Not for the 99.7% of the population that is not at risk to stay home.

Yup. Our dip shit "leaders" are now wearing two masks. You can't go full retard... they did. Waiting for Robert Downey Jr. to be cancelled for that movie line...

Probably not national news and probably something you Coastal guys wouldn't hear. Tammy Duckworth is contemplating running for POTUS. She's a Chicago machine proxy, no different than Obama. Clinton obviously was born here. Rahm Emannual (sp?). I'm not sure why she'd state this when her party has had the executive branch for only a few months. https://www.forbes.com/sites/carlieporterfield/2021/03/28/sen-duckworth-floats-running-for-president-if-its-good-for-the-country/?sh=3e8ede214a90

Sure she's not saying she'd primary Biden, but still. Kind of weird. Methinks the Dem party is secretly in massive turmoil or the puppet strings are being used very early. The early days of Biden have not been very positive and even the MSM is giving him a "little" shit. 90% of America just got paid with some of my money, so they're happy.

ThreeBays says

And you, @ThreeBays are clearly supporting this kind of totalitarianism. You are therefore an enemy of basic human rights.

Defamation

You can't defame an anonymous person. Duh!

Patrick says

If no one told you there was a pandemic, you would notice nothing unusual.

Thus the masking mandates.

WookieMan says

Yup. Our dip shit "leaders" are now wearing two masks. You can't go full retard... they did. Waiting for Robert Downey Jr. to be cancelled for that movie line...

Joe's "100 days of masking" ends at the end of the month. What a clueless maroon.

https://www.dw.com/en/man-shot-dead-for-flouting-coronavirus-rules/a-53018149

Patrick says

https://www.dw.com/en/man-shot-dead-for-flouting-coronavirus-rules/a-53018149

Another Covid death. Trump could have prevented it too if he had just followed the science.

Reiner Fuellmich points out that many government functions have now been taken over by private corporations.


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For example, Big Tech is now in effect the arbiter of what is allowed to be spoken in public.

The merging of corporate and government power is part of the classic definition of fascicsm.

Thank a Polish priest:
https://nationalfile.com/video-polish-pastor-throws-mask-police-out-of-church-on-easter-dont-come-back-without-a-warrant-out-nazi/

Booger says

Thank a Polish priest:
https://nationalfile.com/video-polish-pastor-throws-mask-police-out-of-church-on-easter-dont-come-back-without-a-warrant-out-nazi/

Wow @Patrick that guy has ballz! You should dedicate a standing thread to him featuring this video. God bless this guy telling the leftoid canuck gestapo to buzz off! Outstanding.

The Polish know Gestapo when they see them!