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Vaccination: Can Your Employer Force You To Take Them?
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2021 May 5, 8:12pm 708 views 50 comments
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Onvacation
2021 May 6, 4:08pm
Onvacation
2021 May 6, 4:08pm
Eric Holder says
Stopping Vacc card forgery will be the FBI's top priority after they have caught all of the insurrectionists.
That's why forged vacc card is the best play.
Stopping Vacc card forgery will be the FBI's top priority after they have caught all of the insurrectionists.
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NuttBoxer
2021 May 6, 4:18pm
NuttBoxer
2021 May 6, 4:18pm
Eric Holder says
As Corbett pointed out in a recent video, the easy forging of the current cards is probably intentional. Creates the foundation for mandating digital ones, inserted under the skin. We all know anything can be hacked, but that will definitely up the difficulty quite a bit. The long game her is not forgery, but refusal. Once we give up control of our own bodies, we give up control of ourselves.
That's why forged vacc card is the best play.
As Corbett pointed out in a recent video, the easy forging of the current cards is probably intentional. Creates the foundation for mandating digital ones, inserted under the skin. We all know anything can be hacked, but that will definitely up the difficulty quite a bit. The long game her is not forgery, but refusal. Once we give up control of our own bodies, we give up control of ourselves.
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Onvacation
2021 May 6, 4:32pm
Onvacation
2021 May 6, 4:32pm
Submitting forged "vaccination" cards in a sense is consent to having vaccination cards.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 4:35pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 4:35pm
Onvacation says
Good luck with that. As it stands now even if you had your jab and lost the card in many cases it won't be possible to restore it and they admit as much. The record keeping for the whole operation is pretty shitty.
Eric Holder says
That's why forged vacc card is the best play.
Stopping Vacc card forgery will be the FBI's top priority after they have caught all of the insurrectionists.
Good luck with that. As it stands now even if you had your jab and lost the card in many cases it won't be possible to restore it and they admit as much. The record keeping for the whole operation is pretty shitty.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 4:54pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 4:54pm
Onvacation says
Maybe. But sure beats two other alternatives for most people: getting a real jab or "taking that shit all the way to SCOTUS". Besides, for a "test case" all you need is one plaintiff.
Submitting forged "vaccination" cards in a sense is consent to having vaccination cards.
Maybe. But sure beats two other alternatives for most people: getting a real jab or "taking that shit all the way to SCOTUS". Besides, for a "test case" all you need is one plaintiff.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 5:22pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 5:22pm
ThreeBays says
How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:
Is it real?
What about this one?
Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:
Is it real?
What about this one?
Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.
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GNL
2021 May 6, 6:10pm
GNL
2021 May 6, 6:10pm
NuttBoxer says
This is the entire fight. This could not be more true.
Once we give up control of our own bodies, we give up control of ourselves.
This is the entire fight. This could not be more true.
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Patrick
2021 May 6, 6:19pm
Patrick
2021 May 6, 6:19pm
ThreeBays says
Of course. The goal is political control and profit, not public health.
You will likely have to prove that you submit to the absolute unconstitutional authority of CNN/China/Amazon or you will go to jail.
It's also a nice excuse to track everyone you ever get near, in case they also have uppity ideas.
KNOW YOU PLACE, PEASANT!
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
Of course. The goal is political control and profit, not public health.
You will likely have to prove that you submit to the absolute unconstitutional authority of CNN/China/Amazon or you will go to jail.
It's also a nice excuse to track everyone you ever get near, in case they also have uppity ideas.
KNOW YOU PLACE, PEASANT!
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 6:22pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 6:22pm
Patrick says
They are bluffing. There is no practical way to catch/prosecute any meaningful number of individuals presenting forged vacc cards. Especially DIY cards. The best they could hope for is to catch forgers who are selling them over the Interwebz.
ThreeBays saysForging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
Of course. The goal is political control and profit, not public health.
You will likely have to prove that you submit to the absolute unconstitutional authority of CNN/China/Amazon or you will go to jail.
It's also a nice excuse to track everyone you ever get near, in case they also have uppity ideas.
KNOW YOU PLACE, PEASANT!
They are bluffing. There is no practical way to catch/prosecute any meaningful number of individuals presenting forged vacc cards. Especially DIY cards. The best they could hope for is to catch forgers who are selling them over the Interwebz.
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Patrick
2021 May 6, 6:28pm
Patrick
2021 May 6, 6:28pm
It could pretty easily be done via a website. You show id, and they just look up your right to be a human being on such a website.
If you have no proof of compliance with the will of China, then you will have no right to be a human being.
I think that might really happen, especially with Jo Bi-Den occupying the White House for China.
If you have no proof of compliance with the will of China, then you will have no right to be a human being.
I think that might really happen, especially with Jo Bi-Den occupying the White House for China.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 6:35pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 6:35pm
Patrick says
There is no such thing at the moment. That's the whole point: they don't have a good consolidated database of who was vaxxed by now. Then there's that little pesky thing called HIPAA....
It could pretty easily be done via a website. You show id, and they just look up your right to be a human being on such a website.
There is no such thing at the moment. That's the whole point: they don't have a good consolidated database of who was vaxxed by now. Then there's that little pesky thing called HIPAA....
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Booger
2021 May 6, 6:43pm
Booger
2021 May 6, 6:43pm
ThreeBays says
There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.
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Onvacation
2021 May 6, 6:49pm
Onvacation
2021 May 6, 6:49pm
Booger says
Oh yeah? Tell that to the grandma they're searching for for being part of the insurrection.
There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.
Oh yeah? Tell that to the grandma they're searching for for being part of the insurrection.
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mell
2021 May 6, 6:52pm
Onvacation says
I think work from home will become more and more popular. And mandated vaccination, esp. with such little covid activity, will cause more worker shortages already on top of those simply living on covid checks.
Booger says
There is pretty much no law enforcement being done anyway.
Oh yeah? Tell that to the grandma they're searching for for being part of the insurrection.
I think work from home will become more and more popular. And mandated vaccination, esp. with such little covid activity, will cause more worker shortages already on top of those simply living on covid checks.
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Robert Sproul
2021 May 6, 7:01pm
FBI
March 30, 2021
Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of the vaccine. If you did not receive the vaccine, do not buy fake vaccine cards, do not make your own vaccine cards, and do not fill-in blank vaccination record cards with false information. By misrepresenting yourself as vaccinated when entering schools, mass transit, workplaces, gyms, or places of worship, you put yourself and others around you at risk of contracting COVID-19. Additionally, the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws.
Because individuals may use fake vaccine cards to misrepresent themselves as vaccinated, we strongly encourage businesses, schools, places of worship, and government agencies to follow CDC guidance and continue to maintain social distancing and use personal protective equipment. If you did receive the vaccine, we recommend you do not post photos of your vaccine card to social media websites—your personal information could be stolen to commit fraud. For more information about the dangers of sharing your vaccination status on social media, see
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/elpaso/news/press-releases/fbi-el-paso-warns-about-not-posting-your-cdc-covid-19-vaccination-card-on-social-media-platforms
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2021/02/social-media-no-place-covid-19-vaccination-cards
To report suspicious activity involving fake vaccination record cards, please contact the appropriate government agency in your state or jurisdiction, HHS-OIG (1-800-HHS-TIPS or www.oig.hhs.gov); or the Internet Crime Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov).
March 30, 2021
Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of the vaccine. If you did not receive the vaccine, do not buy fake vaccine cards, do not make your own vaccine cards, and do not fill-in blank vaccination record cards with false information. By misrepresenting yourself as vaccinated when entering schools, mass transit, workplaces, gyms, or places of worship, you put yourself and others around you at risk of contracting COVID-19. Additionally, the unauthorized use of an official government agency's seal (such as HHS or the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)) is a crime, and may be punishable under Title 18 United States Code, Section 1017, and other applicable laws.
Because individuals may use fake vaccine cards to misrepresent themselves as vaccinated, we strongly encourage businesses, schools, places of worship, and government agencies to follow CDC guidance and continue to maintain social distancing and use personal protective equipment. If you did receive the vaccine, we recommend you do not post photos of your vaccine card to social media websites—your personal information could be stolen to commit fraud. For more information about the dangers of sharing your vaccination status on social media, see
https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/elpaso/news/press-releases/fbi-el-paso-warns-about-not-posting-your-cdc-covid-19-vaccination-card-on-social-media-platforms
https://www.consumer.ftc.gov/blog/2021/02/social-media-no-place-covid-19-vaccination-cards
To report suspicious activity involving fake vaccination record cards, please contact the appropriate government agency in your state or jurisdiction, HHS-OIG (1-800-HHS-TIPS or www.oig.hhs.gov); or the Internet Crime Complaint Center (www.ic3.gov).
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Onvacation
2021 May 6, 7:03pm
Onvacation
2021 May 6, 7:03pm
Such a slippery slope.
First we must wear masks to buy food.
Then to be employed you must produce a vaccination card. Since the card must be updated with the latest vaccine patch jab every six months, and so many people cheat because they are afraid of the lottery of death and side effects, they have to upgrade to a secure smart phone technology that will broadcast your vaccine status.
The technology works so well for viruses that the government extends the control to mean speech.
Hackers hack the un-hackable smartphone system and broadcast false positive jab status.
Microchips.
For our safety.
First we must wear masks to buy food.
Then to be employed you must produce a vaccination card. Since the card must be updated with the latest vaccine patch jab every six months, and so many people cheat because they are afraid of the lottery of death and side effects, they have to upgrade to a secure smart phone technology that will broadcast your vaccine status.
The technology works so well for viruses that the government extends the control to mean speech.
Hackers hack the un-hackable smartphone system and broadcast false positive jab status.
Microchips.
For our safety.
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AmericanKulak
2021 May 6, 7:18pm
AmericanKulak
2021 May 6, 7:18pm
ThreeBays says
It's illegal in TX and FL for any business or gov agency to require proof of vaccination.
Also, it's illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine, period. Nuremberg Laws.
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.
It's illegal in TX and FL for any business or gov agency to require proof of vaccination.
Also, it's illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine, period. Nuremberg Laws.
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Shaman
2021 May 6, 8:46pm
Shaman
2021 May 6, 8:46pm
ThreeBays says
Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.
Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.
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richwicks
2021 May 6, 9:03pm
richwicks
2021 May 6, 9:03pm
Shaman says
I live in California.
It's LEGAL to fuck somebody without telling them you're HIV+ or have any other STD.
Although I'm not at all certain that this fuck state wouldn't prosecute somebody for passing on a cold.
ThreeBays saysDon't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.
Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.
I live in California.
It's LEGAL to fuck somebody without telling them you're HIV+ or have any other STD.
Although I'm not at all certain that this fuck state wouldn't prosecute somebody for passing on a cold.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:13pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:13pm
Robert Sproul says
Empty bluff. There is no reasonable path between a fake vaxx card presented to a business and being prosecuted for it.
FBI
March 30, 2021
Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of ...
Empty bluff. There is no reasonable path between a fake vaxx card presented to a business and being prosecuted for it.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:14pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:14pm
ThreeBays says
That, my friend, is called grasping for straws.
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.
That, my friend, is called grasping for straws.
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Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:15pm
Eric Holder
2021 May 6, 11:15pm
Eric Holder says
So, did you get a good look at the cards? Which one is fake? How did you decide?
BUELLER?!!!
ThreeBays saysForging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.
How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:
Is it real?
What about this one?
Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.
So, did you get a good look at the cards? Which one is fake? How did you decide?
BUELLER?!!!
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Zak
2021 May 6, 11:17pm
Onvacation says
You know you must wash your hands before returning to work after using the bathroom as well right? GASP And it is illegal to spit in someones food! The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!
First we must wear masks to buy food.
You know you must wash your hands before returning to work after using the bathroom as well right? GASP And it is illegal to spit in someones food! The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!
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Misc
2021 May 7, 5:36am
Pfizer's oodles of lawyers seems to agree with the OP.
Therefore, they immediately move to remove the "Emergency" label. Thus, institutions are able to force the vaccination.
Twerps, but they do have the cash to buy off just about anyone.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pfizer-asks-fda-for-full-approval-of-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1gsRQ2?ocid=msedgntp
Therefore, they immediately move to remove the "Emergency" label. Thus, institutions are able to force the vaccination.
Twerps, but they do have the cash to buy off just about anyone.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pfizer-asks-fda-for-full-approval-of-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1gsRQ2?ocid=msedgntp
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zzyzzx
2021 May 7, 6:38am
original link
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Since illegals won't be using these passports, it's doubtful that it will ever be some sort of requirement.
zzyzzx
2021 May 7, 6:38am
original link
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Since illegals won't be using these passports, it's doubtful that it will ever be some sort of requirement.
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Context: VP at work told us we will start going back into the office 'soon'. Everyone will be required to be there at least 3 days a week. And it has to be the same days the rest of the team is because of something called 'teamwork synergy'.
Nevermind asking, "WTF was going on when everyone was working remotely with Slack and Zoom then?"
Then I found out thru the grapevine that when this goes down, everyone will be required to be COVID vaccinated.
Except that legally from what I can determine they can't do that.
This is because the vaccines are not FDA approved yet. That won't happen for another two years, at least. What approval they have now is called Emergency Use Authorization. EUA, for short. Memorize that acronym as you will no doubt be hearing about it more and more.
Congress set explicit language in the EUA law that says that NO ONE can be forced to take the EUA vaccinations. Not even hospital workers.
AND, most states have laws that allow you to sue an employer if they fire you for refusing to not comply with federal laws as well as state ones. This includes getting full reimbursement for legal fees from the employer, in addition to the usual damages.
I do not know if this is the case in CA.
There are other articles out there where EEOC and California's commie equivalents have issued GUIDELINES or GUIDANCES that say otherwise. Guidelines have no force of law to them, tho. So they are all legal bullshit.
But what the real thing you must know is that nothing has gone to court yet over this. And until some lawsuits happen followed by establishment of case law on this subject, the above can still be up in the air in actuality.
Now, this alone would make one think that legal depts for every company out there would warn management that they can't require COVIDE vaccinations on employees against their will until some judge...probably SCOTUS ones...say they can, damn the law Congress wrote.
Which means...in my opinion....companies that tow this line are really bluffing. All one has to do is refuse to comply and they will fold, on an individual case-by-case basis.
But that is just MY OPINION. This post is not meant to be a form of any real legal advice and you should consult with a licensed attorney if you really want to get any VALID dirt this or any other subject of the law that you read on-line.
Reading material: https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/