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clambo says

I only temper my comments
1. out of etiquette in groups
2. to not offend a female

And this is how the truth stays hidden.

Holy fuck that’s a great article!
Here’s a comment that was pure 24k GOLD from a user named “The Snark.”
“ Now consider Jonathan Haidt’s observation that smart people don’t usually use their intelligence to objectively analyze a question in order to consciously reach a logical conclusion, but far more frequently use their smarts come up with plausible justifications for the opinions their subconscious told them that they want to hold or already have.

Combine those two, and you have a good insight into our current problems: our elites tend to subconsciously reach conclusions based on what their peers are saying (who in turn are saying because others of their peers are saying it), and then use their education and intellect not to question those conclusions, but to come up with plausible justifications for what they already want to believe.”

Whoever this guy is, he’s much more intelligent than I am and almost anyone I’ve ever met.

Patrick this article is the kill switch for woke culture. It’s the little boy pointing at the naked emperor and saying “But he’s got no clothes on!”
In a much more scholarly way, of course.

Thanks. It kinda blew me away too. It's a bit long, but makes amazingly good and useful points about elite self-indoctrination and conformity.

Today I was getting in trouble at work for rightfully pointing out the good doctor's comments in this video:

https://patrick.net/post/1338647?80#comment-1743550

But I was polite about it in spite of the vitriol directed against me. All I wanted was to be able to make my points.

Lol, what are they going to do, fire me? I have only 7 work days left until retirement.

This seems like a reiteration of Kahneman's "Thinking Fast and Slow."

There has been some pushback against the methodology underlying the book. I think it's instructive to think "both ways" when presented with an argument or an appeal. At first, react via the "fast" cognitive alternative. Later, think about it "slowly," perhaps before you fall asleep, and re-examine your conclusions of the day. I find that it is a potent learning tool with respect to confirmation bias, reactive rather than proactive motivations, etc.

Patrick says

Thanks. It kinda blew me away too. It's a bit long, but makes amazingly good and useful points about elite self-indoctrination and conformity.

Today I was getting in trouble at work for rightfully pointing out the good doctor's comments in this video:

https://patrick.net/post/1338647?80#comment-1743550

But I was polite about it in spite of the vitriol directed against me. All I wanted was to be able to make my points.

Lol, what are they going to do, fire me? I have only 7 work days left until retirement.

7 days? Bravo, sir! I'm right behind ya. Targeting Jun 30.

Patrick says

Highly-educated people appear to be the most likely to express things they don’t necessarily believe for fear of losing their jobs or their reputation.

I think highly educated people are simply more gullible, not that they are unconsciously trying to attain "status".

"Highly educated" people mostly learn from "experts" and as a result, they HAVE to be gullible in order to assimilate the information as people wouldn't waste their time getting a degree that they think is entirely bullshit.

richwicks says

Patrick says

Highly-educated people appear to be the most likely to express things they don’t necessarily believe for fear of losing their jobs or their reputation.

I think highly educated people are simply more gullible, not that they are unconsciously trying to attain "status".

"Highly educated" people mostly learn from "experts" and as a result, they HAVE to be gullible in order to assimilate the information as people wouldn't waste their time getting a degree that they think is entirely bullshit.

IMO, the really smart people, those with wide understanding, are those who forge their own paths. We used to have lots of them. They were entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs wear many hats and deal with many problems on a daily basis. Problems ranging from finances to planning and implementing new services to forecasting.

Our intelligentsia class is mostly concerned with doing less work for more unearned money while gaining more underlings to abuse.

WineHorror1 says

IMO, the really smart people, those with wide understanding, are those who forge their own paths. We used to have lots of them. They were entrepreneurs. Entrepreneurs wear many hats and deal with many problems on a daily basis. Problems ranging from finances to planning and implementing new services to forecasting.

I'd agree with that point of view. It's my contention that people who are traditionally considered "smart" - aren't really. They are complex solving algorithms.

I am shocked by how few people are skeptical of this pandemic for example, and I'm in Silly Con Valley. I really thought people were smart here. I actually got into a little conversation with somebody at work and I brought up that several governors, including our own, had placed sars-cov2-19 patients in nursing homes. You know what his response was as we were talking in our almost entirely empty office building?

"well, where else are you going to put them?"

There's PLENTY of space now. Hotels are empty, tech buildings are empty, gyms are empty - but it's a great idea to place sick people into the most vulnerable population we have. I was disgusted. I think it was at that point I decided fuck this job and fuck the people I work with. I am so, very, disappointed with "smart" people.

The upside to this is now I realize how the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany came into being. I couldn't understand it quite until recently. I didn't think it would happen in the "land of the free and the brave" - turns out that's just propaganda. It's the land of slaves and cowards. People are afraid to think.

rocketjoe79 says

7 days? Bravo, sir! I'm right behind ya. Targeting Jun 30.

Happy to hear that, @rocketjoe79

richwicks says

"Highly educated" people mostly learn from "experts" and as a result, they HAVE to be gullible in order to assimilate the information as people wouldn't waste their time getting a degree that they think is entirely bullshit.

Right, I think there's something to this.

Maybe everything.

Note how conformity and self censorship goes straight up with "education". It makes sense. Education is about obedience and accepting what you're told is true, not questioning the teacher.

Patrick says

Note how conformity and self censorship goes straight up with "education". It makes sense. Education is about obedience and accepting what you're told is true, not questioning the teacher.

Precisely. Teacher was always right when I was a young, stupid, child. My history teacher in high school was only, exclusively, teaching propaganda.

That caused me quite a bit of confusion when I hit college. Same with physics, we were given simplified equations in Newtonian mechanics, and I remember the frustration of when I learned Relativity. Relativity simplifies to Newtonian mechanics, but why didn't they just teach Relativity and start out with "these don't matter for speeds at below 1% of the speed of light"?

The "simplified" propaganda and physics (and math) went a long way to forcing me to distrust what I learned. What finally killed my trust was my Aunt gave me a gift subscription to the Washington Report on Middle Eastern Affairs. You might find that publication to be anti-Semitic (which I did when I got it, and I was shocked to learn my Aunt was "anti-Semitic") when in reality I later realized is that everything in the publication (at least at that time) was entirely true. Our news media lied through omission. Now they just lie.

For example news media stated that Palestinians had sent in rockets into Israel - what it never stated was how pointless (and mostly harmless - not entirely harmless) Qassam rockets were, or that Israel had been bombing the West Bank for the previous 3 months and it was retaliation.

That fundamentally changed me and got me to reach out to other people in the world to just talk with them. Back in the 1990's, the ONLY people on the net were academics and researchers and a FEW people not in that area. I found a lot of people like me also reaching out. It was a golden age. I learned so much. I wonder if that can be recreated? I need to create something that allows other people to see, just as I was able to 30 years ago.

Patrick says

rocketjoe79 says

7 days? Bravo, sir! I'm right behind ya. Targeting Jun 30.

Happy to hear that, @rocketjoe79

Congrats Gentlemen!

Patrick says

richwicks says

"Highly educated" people mostly learn from "experts" and as a result, they HAVE to be gullible in order to assimilate the information as people wouldn't waste their time getting a degree that they think is entirely bullshit.

Right, I think there's something to this.

Maybe everything.

Note how conformity and self censorship goes straight up with "education". It makes sense. Education is about obedience and accepting what you're told is true, not questioning the teacher.

What you are describing is indoctrination. Obedience and conformity are hallmarks of successful indoctrination.

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/for-the-times-they-are-a-changing

The current American “regime” is most accurately described as a “theocratic oligarchy” in which an elite class of progressive “priests” ensconced in the bureaucracies of the administrative state, and at Harvard, The New York Times, and other leading institutions of civil society, promulgate and enforce their own version of “reality.” ...

And as we see, this oligarchy is neither liberal nor democratic. It is illiberal because it uses physical force to defend itself from disturbing ideas. It is undemocratic because its whole design is a fortress against populist politics, which it mocks and despises. Indeed, it is unconstitutional—since its purpose is to pervert the Constitution, creating a government in reality which is completely alien to the one specified on paper.

This guy sounds kind of crazy at times, but these points are spot-on imho.

For a long time I felt rich fucking hate us and demean working class Americans every step.

Forcing people to go along with absurdities is a sign of fucking abuse. Some ego shit for culture of corruption.

Patrick says

It's a way to identify who is listening to the propaganda.

Haven't you ever noticed that the pronunciation of leader's name's change over time or locations? It only identifies who up to date you are in propaganda and if you are listening to propaganda. If you are reading propaganda, how an event is characterized can identify what propaganda you are reading.

The people consuming propaganda are anything but the elite. The are the lowest status people in our society.

https://www.axios.com/wealthy-people-are-renouncing-american-citizenship-67fbada4-e2e4-4699-b106-c986839f209d.html

The elite also seem to be rats leaving Captain Biden's sinking ship.

https://www.nzz.ch/english/swiss-phd-students-dismissal-spotlights-chinas-influence-ld.1638771

A tweet cost him his doctorate: The extent of China’s influence on Swiss universities

A Swiss Ph.D. student tweeted critically about China. Afterward, his professor at the University of St. Gallen wanted nothing more to do with him, worried that her own ability to get a visa would be at risk. ...

He had been tweeting for just 10 days, and had fewer than 10 followers. No question, he had been harshly critical of the Chinese government. For example, on March 21, he had posted, in English: «#CCP made fighting #COVID-19 plan B. Only to be executed if Plan A – covering it up – fails. Those are the actions of paranoid cowards. They neither deserve my respect nor gratitude #ChinaLiedPeopleDied».

Yet the student was shocked. This was supposed to be «neo-Nazi-like» content? He was sure there had been a misunderstanding. He replied at 11:11 p.m., wanting to know who the «angry emails from China» were from.

And that's how CCP censorship works in the west as well as in China.

I think I have a little understanding of the reason “elite” have absurd liberal views.
It’s largely to fit in and not be “outed” as a “racist” or “bigot” among others who are themselves afraid to be called such names.
This happens when someone is climbing the economic and social ladders, and he wishes to maintain a good reputation and continue with whatever job or career he’s in.
I don’t have such limitations so I’m unafraid, but I’m not immune to the things that I hear sometimes.
Talking to a rich liberal once about the illegals she said that I still wasn’t “a bad person”, as if I were evil for wanting to enforce the law and stop invaders.
Another guy tried to lay a guilt trip on me, even bringing up religion “Jesus would help them up here.”
I said “Jesus would go down to them where they are.”
Since I have no need to be accepted by a “community” or group, I am free to speak my mind.
I rarely go to a dinner party so I don’t have to bite my tongue too often.
Dinner out with someone is to try and get down her pants, otherwise I go everywhere stag.
Entertainers and their ilk the talking heads are concerned about their image, and they are generally not very bright either, rather paid minstrels.
I say to people that I don’t give a fuck, and I can say what I want to except to 1. A guy with a badge and a gun 2. A judge

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/08/no_author/its-just-why-i-wont-submit/

It astounds me that my Progressive friends — the same ones who claim to support “social justice” — are welcoming a fascist society in which government crushes any opposition and individuals cannot make choices about their own lives.

I will not comply because I do not want to live in the society that is being created by extraordinary submissiveness to government. I do not want to be complicit in this era’s atrocities.

What is the point of living if one merely exists to obey the elite to one’s own detriment? Is it even living if one lacks the agency to direct one’s life? I’ve already submitted in contradiction of my values to a shameful extent. One might say, “Well, what’s one more compromise,” but it won’t be just one more compromise. It will be just the next cut in a slow death by a thousand cuts.

Submitting only validates tyrannical displays of power and ensures that there will be more such displays in the future.

And what does one get for compromising? Merely your continued membership in a society that will only have you if you immolate yourself and become nothing more than a reflection of the desires of the ruling class.

If you cannot be truly yourself in a society, is that society worth clinging to? I think not. As much as leaving the stability of my comfort zone terrifies me, staying in it means continuing to silence and shrink myself for a disingenuous feeling of acceptance. In that way, it is more of a discomfort zone.

Each time I expressed my fears about the future direction of society, my friends said “it won’t happen.” Each time it did happen, they shrugged their shoulders and reminded me that compliance was an option.

Lol, he should not be surprised. The essence of "progressivism" is submission to totalitarian control.

I never censor myself.

I am scum.

https://nitter.pussthecat.org/Not_the_Bee/status/1462841662766563338

The only people who should censor themselves are the guys who post dick pics on the old Newsgroups and call it "Samantha Fox Page 6.bmp"

I will never forget 14kbps and UUDECODE hours lost to be disgusted.

true story; happened to me as well.

https://brownstone.org/articles/a-note-to-my-well-credentialed-friends/?source=patrick.net

It really isn’t that complex.

The injections you and many others were dragooned into taking under the threat of losing your job and your basic civil liberties do not protect you from getting Covid or passing it on.

Nor have they liberated you from mask-wearing, social distancing, the ongoing threat of lockdowns, and helpful advice from the government on how, and with whom, you can socialize at Christmas.

Among some populations, the risks of adverse effects are higher than from exposure to Covid.

Meanwhile, the mandates, enforcements, track-and-trace rituals, and now the bio-passports, continue to crush small enterprises and exclude huge swaths of minority populations from participation in public life.

The segregation in major cities is palpable and becoming more entrenched. Classes and events in large northeastern universities are being cancelled due to rising cases, and this is despite high vaccinations and masking.

The rituals and draconian impositions have not given us our lives and freedoms back. They continue to grind down marginalized peoples not only in the US but all over the world.

It’s all there to see for anyone disposed to going beyond the mental parameters established and enforced by legacy media.

So, the real question at play here is a psychological and spiritual one.

And it can be summarized more or less in the following fashion.

Are you as a member of the well-educated Western elite class prepared to explore the possibility that members of the sociological cohort to which you belong are capable of highly organized evil and deception rooted in a deep disdain for the core humanity and inherent dignity of all people?

Are you open to imagining that people—to borrow a phrase much-loved in certain circles— “who look like you,” live in “nice” neighborhoods like you, and want all the markings of the good life for their children like you, are also capable of monstrous deeds and the propagation of extremely damaging herd-induced stupidities?

Do you ever think of using the knowledge of history your prestigious education might have afforded you for something other than establishing favorable comparisons with the past that prop up the idea of Western man’s triumphant march of progress and, of course, your sociological cohort’s starring role within it?

For example, do you ever think about how Europe’s best and brightest sent millions of people to senseless deaths between 1914 and 1918, well after it was clear that doing so would do nothing to achieve the announced objectives of the conflict, objectives which were themselves based on deeply flawed logic and analytical assumptions?

Or will you avoid all that by mentally invoking a key, if largely unstated, conceit of late modernity’s meritocratic mind: that success within the games established to distribute elite power (such as entry into Ivied schools with big endowments and plum jobs in finance) confer upon the games’ winners a moral weight that effectively exonerates them from the type of moral scrutiny that they compulsively apply to other, “less accomplished” human beings?

This is a question that those of us of fortunate to be reasonably well-educated, reasonably well-fed and reasonably well-sheltered must now urgently confront.

And the manner in which the majority of us choose to respond to it will go a long way toward determining the shape of the world our children and grandchildren will inherit from us.

https://notthebee.com/article/yale-is-enforcing-a-quarantine-for-all-students-until-february-7-at-the-soonest-not-allowing-students-to-visit-local-businesses-or-restaurants-because-covid?source=patrick.net

The very smart and educated people of Yale have decided to quarantine all of their students for the next month due to the very scary Omicron variant of Covid-19. ...

This is insanity.

And these are supposedly the smartest people around – the ones going to school here and the ones running the Ivy League institution!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/open-letter-cornell-president-end-booster-mandate/?source=patrick.net

Open Letter to Cornell President: Do the Right Thing, End Booster Mandate
More than 325 students, parents, alumni, faculty and staff of Cornell University signed an open letter to the university’s president and board of trustees opposing Cornell’s COVID booster mandate, warning the university would have to bear responsibility for death or disability caused by vaccines.

A tiny glimmer of hope that the elite see that they also will be murdered by vaxx if they keep complying.

Most people self censor, they see no benefit to rocking boat out of fear of cancel culture.

https://www.revolver.news/2022/01/can-biden-reprogram-covid-hyptonized-npc-base/?source=patrick.net

In big picture terms, then, that means the crusade against misinformation is not a tool designed to enforce belief in any particular piece of information, or “the truth” write large. Instead, it is designed to enforce loyalty to certain sources of information. The only way to be entirely safe from the misinformation label is to mindlessly reaffirm the latest declarations from a handful of official and quasi-official outlets. The push to demonize misinformation is therefore a push to consolidate all narrative control in the hands of a few regime-approved (and regime-compliant) institutions.

https://freebeacon.com/campus/hundreds-of-yale-law-students-disrupt-bipartisan-free-speech-event/?source=patrick.net

https://barsoom.substack.com/p/fear

Look, I’m not sure what to do about the fear problem. I hate it as much as anyone. It isn’t just fear of this or that specific thing, it’s a generalized fear of risk in its entirety. Managerialism rules by mitigating risk; to whatever degree the people fear risk, managerialism’s rule is extended and deepened. The result has been the Safety First culture that wraps our world like a straightjacket. Safety First needs to be locked up in a hermetically sealed safe space and left to gibber to itself.