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Here's a highly edited video shown on Detroit News about the "Poor Jogger" Arbery. It cuts off informative scene where Arbery charges the men, then ducks around the truck, and then comes back around the front hood and grapples with one of them, and simply shows the struggle.


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@Robert Sproul
Robert Sproul says

Confronted with armed men he lunges for a shotgun and attempts to wrest it away:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzPL82QxCks
It doesn't seem like a rational action.

It's hard to find the raw video that isn't written over with BS speculation like "He was out for a jog" "He was boxed in" (even though he could have gone to the left or right; the Left argues the being surrounded on three sides in Kenosha and then chased is no excuse)

FuckCCP89 says

If a guy goes for your gun what are his intentions are? To give you a hug? That bald short fuck whom Kyle shot first was ventilated for exactly that reason - trying to grab the gun.

Different context different liabilities. Kyle was there trying to help people and protect property. The Abry case, puts the suspects at the scene with a prejudice to get Abry.
Any accident at that point makes them liable, I'm not saying Guilty but most definitely liable. Where Klye's case is open and shut, the Vigilante trio, is complicated, because they chased him down with a gun to confront him. Kyle's victims all chased him down to confront him.

Big difference! Hey I believe Abry got what he deserved, but you can't have vigilantes and law and order at the same time. What if they confronted someone that wasn't Abry, and that happened, due to mistake in identity? I have been stopped and accosted by random people in my life for stupid shit I didn't do. One time I was riding my bike down US1, and some random trailer park whore with her boyfriends chased me down, with a Hollywood cop, and was trying to say I kept driving by randomly sexually harassing her. Thankfully the cop believed me when I showed him a picture of my girlfriend which I told him I was on my way to see. Another time a Seminole cop pulled me over, claimed I drove by him several times that day, shooting him a bird. He was really pissed about, he took me in for driving without a license, and would not believe me that I was not the guy hassling him.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Joshua Zimski - Biker and repeat offender prohibited from possessing firearm, firing the first shot of the Rittenhouse incident: A "Warning Shot"

He was not charged with illegally possessing a firearm by the DA despite multiple felonies that prevented him from having one.

With the FBI drone going airborne right on queue with Rosenbaum getting in place for his ambush, and Zemenski readied for the panic shots, it keeps getting more clear to everyone, Kyle was being gaslit the whole fucking time, by the weight of the Law enforcement there, using Kenosha's mentally ill as an Asset to make it a reality.


I'm just amazed how intentionally the prosecution came to court, without any Video experts. They wanted to gloss over key elements in the video and focus on the bad Kyle frames.
They tried to convict him using ghetto Windows media player. They can't even key up frames and zoom in without altering the video.
This Mr. Black video expert, is outclassing the whole prosecutions fat bastard AV tech team. I wonder how much Kenosha or Wisconsin is paying those useless sacks of shit, to push play on the Windows media player?

I don't see any difference between Aubery case and Trayvon case: does something suspicious, confronted by concerned citizens, doubles down, goes apeshit and attacks them, gets rewarded by a bullet.

I think the Judiciary needs to fear Vigilantism more than BLM, or we won't have justice.

FuckCCP89 says

I don't see any difference between Aubery case and Trayvon case: does something suspicious, confronted by concerned citizens, doubles down, goes apeshit and attacks them, gets rewarded by a bullet.

Zimmer didn't have his gun drawn when he confronted Trayvon.
And Pops stepped into the zone where Abry could reach for his gun, they had no training, experience or not even the intuition on how to conduct an armed citizen arrest safely.
Pops should have stayed several yards back and had his unarmed passengers take him down.

Tenpoundbass says

Zimmer didn't have his gun drawn when he confronted Trayvon.
And Pops stepped into the zone where Abry could reach for his gun, they had no training, experience or not even the intuition on how to conduct an armed citizen arrest safely.
Pops should have stayed several yards back and had his unarmed passengers take him down.

Arbery ran around the truck and then when he got to the front, made a leap for Pops. Had he kept running, or ran to either side, he could have easily evaded them.

FuckCCP89 says

I don't see any difference between Aubery case and Trayvon case: does something suspicious, confronted by concerned citizens, doubles down, goes apeshit and attacks them, gets rewarded by a bullet.

The Trayvon Martin thing was all around stupid. If Zimmerman just indicated he was part of neighborhood watch, that probably would have diffused the entire situation.

richwicks says

The Trayvon Martin thing was all around stupid. If Zimmerman just indicated he was part of neighborhood watch, that probably would have diffused the entire situation.

Trayvon totally ambushed him. There was no time to say shit. Zimmerman only fired after being ambushed with a block of concrete, knocked to the ground, and receiving beatings to the head. He was being beaten for a good while before he pulled his fire arm out of its holster.

CaptainHorsePaste says

Trayvon totally ambushed him. There was no time to say shit. Zimmerman only fired after being ambushed with a block of concrete, knocked to the ground, and receiving beatings to the head.

If Martin hit him in the head with a brick, I doubt Zimmerman would have gotten up.

The whole situation was stupid.

I know Trayvon Martin was a fucking thug though if the reports are true. Supposedly he had a ton of jewelry in his locker at school. If that was true, he was just a fucking thug anyhow with no future. Zimmerman did society a favor regardless of the circumstances.

Slam!

The prosecutor just got the Video expert to prove that Kyle's explanation yesterday, was more accurate than the Prosecutor's assertion that Kyle had his gun aimed at Gross Grits the whole time. The video slowed in the software, showed Kyle lowered his gun when Gross grits raised his hands and backed off, but then got the drop on him, when he tried to sucker shoot him.

This is why the Prosecution didn't want to use advanced Video analysis.

richwicks says

Government works very hard to make dependents. That IS their power.

Yes, I think you hit on the very essence of power there.

People are powerful only to the degree that others are dependent on them in some way, maybe for their income, or for their safety.

Didja ever think, 15, 20 years ago, that White Supremacy would be a "Problem"?

CaptainHorsePaste says

Arbery ran around the truck and then when he got to the front, made a leap for Pops.

Arbery was in front of the truck, he wasn't on the shoulder of the road, and Pops stepped out past the front of his open truck door, and walked directly toward Arbery, to which Arbery reached/ran into his gun. Arbery would have not done that had he stayed behind the door.

Also Zimmerman would have had a totally different outcome had the altercation happened on a public county road. They were on a property Zimmerman was tasked to play night watchman on. He had the premise of a security capacity. The good ole boys, were vigilantes, that stepped out of bounds.

I don't think they deserve to be labeled racists, and it should be a manslaughter charge at most. They should be liable to be sued into oblivion by the family of Arbery.
That being said, I think Chauvin was innocent. It's all about context. Had Chauvin been a civilian that was trying to detain Floyd until the cops got there, and killed him with his knee. Then that civilian would be liable and guilty of manslaughter. But Chuavin had context, and Floyd's actions had ramifications.

CaptainHorsePaste says

"Warning Shot"

A "warning shot" is always and everywhere illegal as far as I know.

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

I don't see any difference between Aubery case and Trayvon case: does something suspicious, confronted by concerned citizens, doubles down, goes apeshit and attacks them, gets rewarded by a bullet.

The Trayvon Martin thing was all around stupid. If Zimmerman just indicated he was part of neighborhood watch, that probably would have diffused the entire situation.

Nope. Neither thugs nor Commies are capable of reasonable conversation - all they know and use is violence. You seem to be hell-bent on resolving differences with that kind of scum via talking to them and it simply can't and won't work. They see it as a weakness.

Robert Sproul says

A "warning shot" is always and everywhere illegal as far as I know.

Yep. Oh, and Ziminski told the authorities the gun was "Stolen" the day after he fired the warning shot. That also prompted no investigation, or if it did, it was quashed by the DA.

Ziminski might have returned the Firearm to the Fed's Armory.

Some argue the video has Ziminski directing Rosenbaum.

FuckCCP89 says

Nope. Neither thugs nor Commies are capable of reasonable conversation - all they know and use is violence. You seem to be hell-bent on resolving differences with that kind of scum via talking to them and it simply can't and won't work. They see it as a weakness.

No, not at all. Zimmerman was in a position of strength. He had a gun.

richwicks says

FuckCCP89 says

Nope. Neither thugs nor Commies are capable of reasonable conversation - all they know and use is violence. You seem to be hell-bent on resolving differences with that kind of scum via talking to them and it simply can't and won't work. They see it as a weakness.

No, not at all. Zimmerman was in a position of strength. He had a gun.

And he tried to talk, didn't he? How did it work out? Imagine what would happen if he didn't have a gun on him. Talking to that scum is pointless even with a gun in hand and ten times so without. They have no problem lunging at a fucking uniformed cop, for Pete's sake!

richwicks says

If Martin hit him in the head with a brick, I doubt Zimmerman would have gotten up.

It's literally what happened. Trayvon said something like "Why you rattin' on me?" as he smacked him in the head with a brick as Zimmerman turned around. Zimmerman fell down and Trayvon was beating him in the face when Zimmerman finally drew his pistol and shot him.

Like Rittenhouse and Arbery and Floyd, the Media's retelling is a complete lie.

Arbery was supposed to be the Floyd; the Leftist Activists bankrolled by Soros and China had already decided to amp the first instance that would pop up. The problem was the Arbery's had a colleague who rolled up with a dash cam and caught the whole thing on tape which leaked shortly after the Media Assault began.

FuckCCP89 says

And he tried to talk, didn't he? How did it work out? Imagine what would happen if he didn't have a gun on him. Talking to that scum is pointless

Look, I don't know what happened there, only Zimmerman does, and his memory might not be entirely accurate.

I don't think Zimmerman should have gone to jail, but I don't think he handled the situation properly either.

I'm not crying over the fact Martin is dead and I think his parents were scum to exploit his death. All they saw after their piece of shit son was killed was dollar signs.

Yeah, Zimmerman didn't handle it well: his gun was not in his hand and he rounded the corner too close to the wall instead of going in a wide circle. Rookie mistakes.

EVERYTHING with Trayvon was a lie. Trayvon was a gang member, drug dealer, and burglar and the PROMISE school covered up for him. His mom was a total ho. Dad didn't give a shit about Trayvon because he suspected his ex-wife cheated on him; she had an extensive Tinder Hobag record and was more interested in getting dick than in her son. In fact, she rarely had anything to do with him and he spent time at an Uncle's nearby.

Zimmerman was returning to his car when Trayvon went up to him and attacked him.

All the cases being brought up in this thread were ALL justified shootings. If it's legal to open carry, or even CC, then all bets are off the table in a conflict situation. And then if you go for the gun, you deserve to meet your maker. Just run away and avoid the conflict. Attacking someone is admission of guilt or aggression. And no that's not law everywhere, but if someone tries to take a gun from me, the only assumption is that they'll use it against me and kill me.

If I'm legal as a gun owner and following the laws, the moment you come after me it's assault. Rational and non-criminal people without a gun, don't attack people with a gun. Following someone after they illegally entered a home is not uncommon at all. We'd put trained German Shepards on construction sites overnight in the rough parts of Chicago. It's just property, but there are 10's of thousands of dollars of easily stolen material on most construction sites. Trying to secure that stuff or putting in back in the truck each day would cost thousands per week on a 5-6 month project.

Everyone knows when they're doing something shady. All three of the ones mentioned recently in this thread were 100% justified and should have not gone to trial. The first move of the "victim" always matters. If we didn't have the threat of armed citizens stopping you, I don't even want to know what the crime rate would be. We'd probably look like some 3rd world African hell hole or some ME shit hole. It's similar to MAD with nukes. Threat of death is power. Just like the manipulation of covid now.

German last name! All German last names are Jewish! Polish too! If you see a Polish or German name, it's a Jew.

Just like Alfred Rosenberg, Reich Minister of the East and NSDAP Policy Director! A Jew!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Rosenberg

Nazi-era Kreigsmarine U-boat Officers? Jewish!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Rosenbaum

Gestapo Chief of Vienna! Dirty Jew!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Huber

Wisconsin isn't known for Germans, only Jews!

LOL at Redditors

So basically the powers that be are upset because Kyle killed two criminal Jews and wounded a third? They wuz guud boys n dindu nuffin wrong!

@Shaman They weren't Jewish. They were almost comically not-Jewish.

Please return to reality.

Patrick says

@Shaman They weren't Jewish. They were almost comically not-Jewish.

Please return to reality.

Patrick, isn't Rosenbaum a very common Jewish surname?

Tenpoundbass says

that's actually good.

FuckCCP89 says

Patrick says

@Shaman They weren't Jewish. They were almost comically not-Jewish.

Please return to reality.

Patrick, isn't Rosenbaum a very common Jewish surname?

Does it even matter? Most were grown ass men at least 5 years older than a minor that were shot. Be a god damn adult. Work your job, come home and make a meal for yourself or family. Don't go fucking lighting cars on fire whether you're a Jew or Scientologist. Kyle had a gun. That's the last person I'm going to fuck with regardless of religion. Stupid people end up dead. That's what happened here.

Patrick says

It's also a common German surname. There is a lot of overlap.

Those anti-fa guys were about as far from Jewish as you can get, with their tattoos and street violence. Jews just don't do stuff like that. Financial crime, maybe, street violence, never. To call those guys Jewish is like calling them Chinese.

Closest you might be able to get is some Jewish mafia in New York in the 1920's. But even then, they tended to be the money guys and not the physical guys.

yep average idiots, hired to go spread DNC message of "you vote for Trump and we'll burn your hood"

(I think I saw bit on this in part 2 series here)

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Patrick says

Closest you might be able to get is some Jewish mafia members in New York in the 1920's. But even then, they tended to be the money guys and not the physical guys.

Oh come on Patrick. Every government is a mafia. Israel is one of the most violent states in existence. In time, they will entirely destroy the Palestinians either by driving them out or just killing them and they've done this for 70 years now.

This is a government is armed with nuclear bombs, US military equipment, where nearly every citizens serves in the IDF except for the Haredi. The Jewish mafia was fucking ruthless in NY, and probably still is. As people become more affluent, they are less likely to get their hands dirty is all.

richwicks says

Oh come on Patrick. Every government is a mafia. Israel is one of the most violent states in existence. In time, they will entirely destroy the Palestinians either by driving them out or just killing them and they've done this for 70 years now.

Considering they are surrounded by enemies, the Israelis are remarkably light.

Colonel Kemp - "IDF the most moral Army in the World"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljgwYMM0k2A

I won't even get into the fact that the Israel-Arab conflict, including Palestinians, is one of the least deadly in the Middle East. Compared to the Iran-Iraq War, the Lebanese Civil War (kept going for three decades by the hereditary dictators of Syria), etc. Anytime the Arabs are willing to sign any kind of understanding, Israel obliges (Egypt, Jordan).

richwicks says

This is a government is armed with nuclear bombs, US military equipment, where nearly every citizens serves in the IDF except for the Haredi. The Jewish mafia was fucking ruthless in NY, and probably still is. As people become more affluent, they are less likely to get their hands dirty is all.

The Jewish mafia was subsumed into the Italian Mafia by the 1950s, mostly as bookies and gambling operators under Italian Capos. As was the Irish Mob.

FuckCCP89 says

Patrick, isn't Rosenbaum a very common Jewish surname?

Here's a Nazi era U-boat commander.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helmut_Rosenbaum

Here's a sad story of an abused kid named Wilhelm Rosenbaum, stepmother treated him like ass because she thought his German-speaking Poland mother was Polish Slav Unter-mensch, he ran the Gestapo School for a time and eventually became an SS Officer:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org/nazioccupation/rosenbaum.html

There's two Nazi era officers from quick search of "Rosenbaum".

He COULD be Jewish, but Grosskeuntz and Huber are almost certainly not. Wisconsin is not known for an extensive Jewish population, but the area IS known for many Germans.

I suspect there's a lot of Glowies using Anti-semitism to distract from the Deep State and Especially Chinese misdeeds. In fact one of the tells is that the AS brigade keeps distracting from China and trying to continually push the conversation to "Jews". On Patriots.win, you can almost time some "handshakes" - new accounts. Their new tactic is to post ordinary MAGA stuff for the first month (while they have the "Handshake" icon as new members), and literally the moment the handshake disappears, load up on the Jew shit. AKA "Entryism" - "Hello fellow Pedes, I am MAGA like you. Kyle Good, Let's Go Brandon, etc. Then 30 days later, what about them Kikes, eh, fellow Pedes?" They also brigade at particular times. That used to be around 2-3AM EST, now it's around 10-11AM EST after people noticed they all tended to brigade around the former time.

The mods are great there, though I'd prefer a Racist.win rather than outright banning. Then again, when dealing with Glowies or organized Entryists, why be fair with deliberate liars and manipulators? Turnabout is fair play, as you're sick of hearing from me.

AND, if Patriots.win wasn't controlling the Glowie Anti-semites, front page in the WaPo/NYT would be "Patriots.win worse than stormfront, must be deplatformed. Proof that MAGA is Nazi Fascist"

We do know that "White Supremacist" organizations, as small as they are, are suspected of being at least 30% Glowie/Informant. We've certainly seen that with the leadership of Patriot Groups, such as Epps and Rhodes.