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I believe Kennedy really meant it and fully intended for us to go to the moon.
But fate saw fit to have different plans. Nixon saw it as an opportunity to gain popularity, and burst Russia's technobubble.
The problem like the guy in the video pointed out, once they said we went the first time, they had to keep up the charade, and that killed the actual Real Moon mission.
So instead they focused on Space near Earth's orbit, rather than the logistics of going to the Moon and back.
By the time the Space Shuttle was created, the moon landings were on the back burner, with no plans to return.
I think had Nixon not faked the moon landing, by the time we had the technology that went into the Space Shuttle, We could have gone to the Moon.
The Moon landing should have been Ronald Reagan's achievement, fulfilling JFK's legacy.

There are countless ways to show how the moon landings must have been faked. My favorite is the impossibility of that flimsy contraption known as the “lunar module” being able to touch down on the moon without tearing itself apart. Look I played the Lunar Lander video game a lot as a kid. It’s a very delicate operation. No way you get it right on the first try. You don’t just zoom in at a constant speed and then glide to a gentle stop like some kind of amusement park ride, as the official footage shows. And then lifting off again? Like they needed all that apparatus to take off from earth but like nothing to get up off the moon. I know the gravitational pull is supposed to be 1/6 of the earth’s there but still.

The real questions are why did they fake it, and if they could fake landing a man on the moon, why haven’t they faked far simpler things as well. And the answers are: they were proving just how mind-numbingly powerful their propaganda machine could be, and who knows how many other historical events and technologies before and after have been similarly faked, with far greater consequence?

An observer said that all of the films of the moon shots taking off are of the Saturn IV rocket. The Saturn V rocket was the only one that could do the task of an actual moon launch, but was not ready to be deployed. He said they attached external flares or explosives that went off after launch to make it look like there was an extra stage being ejected to make it look like Saturn V (extra stage) rather than Saturn IV (one less stage) after the flight started.

Undoctored says

Look I played the Lunar Lander video game a lot as a kid. It’s a very delicate operation.

If the moon landings were faked, it was a worldwide operation. It would mean that all nations were in on it.

I can believe some of the footage was faked, but if humanity never went to the moon, there was either a lot of effort placed into making the hoax (the lunar vehicles are still there, there's bags of shit still there, there's footprints still there - and all would have had to been faked) or the entire world is in on the deception.

It would be almost like discovering the world really IS flat.

I'm open to nearly any idea, but this one - really stretches my understanding of the world. I'm willing to upset and overturn my fundamental beliefs pretty much on a dime, I CAN do that, but the evidence that we never went to the moon isn't there. Faking certain television segments I can believe.

richwicks says

I can believe some of the footage was faked, but if humanity never went to the moon, there was either a lot of effort placed into making the hoax (the lunar vehicles are still there, there's bags of shit still there, there's footprints still there - and all would have had to been faked) or the entire world is in on the deception.

I think it's more that did the events of 1969 to 1971 happen ... as described by the official footage.

Sure, in time, there probably were some extra-orbital trips and sure, the gear could have been deposited there, but the fact that it had occurred during a time where computational tools were negligible & that navigating with a joystick on a new world may have resulted in a major crash, killing everyone on board.

Tenpoundbass says

tanked says

I see his point as, are people analyzing critically, or are they believing what they want to believe because it's what the Gov and MSM says is real. Be it this, or Covid. Ultimately there isn't a difference, they are lying, and it's provable, if one actually looks, but the sheeple don't. Alex covers Covid extensively, and 9/11, and JFK assassination, etc, all Cabal activities, why not cover this one as well, it's amazing what light bulbs turn on in people's minds when truth is revealed, this is one more way to do that.

The guy misses the mark period. JFK said let's go to the moon in a decade or two. But the only time we reportedly went to the moon was on Nixon's watch about 5 years later.
It would smear Nixon and the republicans more than it would haunt Kennedy.
The JFK thing, exposes the Bush's deep state genesis. Which the fake moon landings had nothing to do with Bush the C...

The confession says it was Johnson who did it. Nixon just played along as he came into office. JFK was ambitious but clueless to if it was actually possible or not.

Meanwhile - with NASAs $59 million per day funding requirements, just what exactly are they doing with that money?? Perhaps building underground MARS simulated environments to further dupe the public, or somehow hiding vast land reserves? Perhaps we'll never know...

PerfectlyFlawed says

Meanwhile - with NASAs $59 million per day funding requirements, just what exactly are they doing with that money?? Perhaps building underground MARS simulated environments to further dupe the public, or somehow hiding vast land reserves? Perhaps we'll never know...

Maintaining the DSN, the Launch Pads, the ground crews for missions, etc. along with Deputy Assistant to the Associate Director of Diversity.

Of course, NASA could probably cut 30% of those roles.

Rin says

Sure, in time, there probably were some extra-orbital trips and sure, the gear could have been deposited there, but the fact that it had occurred during a time where computational tools were negligible & that navigating with a joystick on a new world may have resulted in a major crash, killing everyone on board.

You underestimate the power of a computer from that time.

Computer chips have been optimized for certain tasks, they run at about 2000 times the clock rate, but a MILLION INSTRUCTIONS PER SECOND isn't anything to scoff at.

I'm in this field. People think that because modern computers are slow, the old machines from 40 years ago must have been agonizingly slow. Modern computers are slow because the code made for them are not optimized for, well, anything. If you've ever seen code written for a machine in 1980 and compared that to today, it's black and white difference. The coders then didn't go through abstractions and API's, they directly handled memory allocation, and knew precisely how much memory they accessed and directly accessed the hardware. It is a wonder to look at code in 1980 compared to today.

I am NOT KIDDING or exaggerating at all when I say your smart phone is EASILY capable of doing nuclear bomb simulation. It could EASILY handle the email communications of 1000 people in a company. It's got that ability. Ancient protocols like SMTP and telnet, they are today comparatively primitive, but much of what has been done in the last 30 years is just adding complexity, and this complexity is inefficient.

I honestly think my computer to my right, 18 inches away, could literally think if consciousness is computational (and surprisingly it may not be, we really don't understand it). It's got more storage than my brain does, and can simulate more synapses than I have. I can literally store every film, television program, radio show, and book I've ever read on it. That's not even 6 terabytes.

My point is a million instructions per second is a lot - even 1000 is.

There's just no reason to go to the moon. It was a PR stunt. There's no commercial reason to do this. It was only to show that "the west" was better than communism. But it was all done through a social program paid for by tax money. That's the irony. If the US entirely faked the moon landings, that would be awesome. I could finally die realizing my government is ENTIRELY full of shit, but I don't think they are.

richwicks says

the old machines from 40 years ago must have been agonizingly slow.

The moon landings were over 50 years ago.

richwicks says

It is a wonder to look at code in 1980 compared to today.

It happened in 1969

richwicks says

Undoctored says

Look I played the Lunar Lander video game a lot as a kid. It’s a very delicate operation.

If the moon landings were faked, it was a worldwide operation. It would mean that all nations were in on it.

I can believe some of the footage was faked, but if humanity never went to the moon, there was either a lot of effort placed into making the hoax (the lunar vehicles are still there, there's bags of shit still there, there's footprints still there - and all would have had to been faked) or the entire world is in on the deception.

It would be almost like discovering the world really IS flat.

I'm open to nearly any idea, but this one - really stretches my understanding of the world. I'm willing to upset and overturn my fundamental beliefs pretty much on a dime, I CAN do that, but the evidence that we never went to the moon isn't there. Faking certain television segments I can believe.

Or, all under the heel, same as covid.

Are you sure anything is actually there? How do you know it wasn't faked (if you are referring to Lunar Recon Orbiter)

tanked says

Or, all under the heel, same as covid.

Are you sure anything is actually there? How do you know it wasn't faked (if you are referring to Lunar Recon Orbiter)

I cannot be certain of course, but if it was faked, all nations would have to be in on it.

That would BLOW MY MIND - it would mean we have a single world government. This would entirely upend my understanding of reality.

However, I'd accept it, if there was a good deal of evidence of it.

If the moon landings were faked, and that could be shown, it would obliterate trust in our government. If they were faked, and it wasn't revealed this would mean our "enemies" were in collusion with our government and have been for over 40 years. I can't see any other option. I'm just human, it would take some time to digest. It would completely overthrow my understanding of reality. I think it would do this to nearly anybody.

It's difficult to accept the Soviets of the USSR wouldn't have exposed the fraud in the 1980s. It would mean our entire world, all our governments, are fake. That's difficult to accept.

richwicks says

tanked says

Or, all under the heel, same as covid.

Are you sure anything is actually there? How do you know it wasn't faked (if you are referring to Lunar Recon Orbiter)

I cannot be certain of course, but if it was faked, all nations would have to be in on it.

That would BLOW MY MIND - it would mean we have a single world government. This would entirely upend my understanding of reality.

However, I'd accept it, if there was a good deal of evidence of it.

If the moon landings were faked, and that could be shown, it would obliterate trust in our government. If they were faked, and it wasn't revealed this would mean our "enemies" were in collusion with our government and have been for over 40 years. I can't see any other option. I'm just human, it would take some time to digest. It would completely overthrow my understanding of reality. I think it would do this to ...

As I understand on Covid, about 5 presidents opposed vaccines but were assasinated. It's no secret CIA runs around worldwide for it's own interest. I don't see how it's that hard to think they'd say, play nice, or we bring you trouble.

Also according to Bart they teach in other countries that they were faked, e.g. china, russia. Only in USA (and maybe Canada and Mexico) they teach they are real. What if everyone else knows they are fake but they are over it, moving on to other things. It's not like when u meet someone from overseas the first thing they will say is, you know your moon landings were fake right? Maybe they did try doing that when they were young but got so insulted by the Americans they learned to put it aside.

This is stupid. If the moon landing was fake are all Elon Musks recent rocket launches fake also?

BoomAndBustCycle says

This is stupid. If the moon landing was fake are all Elon Musks recent rocket launches fake also?

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Drones can. And humans can go to earth orbit but no further because of the Van Allen radiation belt. Lead walls are too heavy to be launched.

Tenpoundbass says

richwicks says

It is a wonder to look at code in 1980 compared to today.

It happened in 1969

I believe that the fastest computer in 1968-69, like the DEC PDP-8, could handle some 30K instruction per sec and it was all machine language, no OS to boot. And it wasn't all that light either, more like a loaded refrigerator.

tanked says

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Probes can. And humans can go to earth orbit but no further because of the Van Allen radiation belt. Lead walls are too heavy to be launched.

I concur with this. And sure, by 1980, the military could have dropped off components on the lunar surface to 'validate' the landings, as the Soviets started sending probes to Venus and other planets.

Yes all space flight is fake. The old films are fake fake fake. So obviously a movie set. Anyone here speak German? Check out the Wernher von Braun videos. He’s even got a fake German accent. Special effects have improved since then so maybe it’s harder to tell at first glance about the modern stuff. But the ISS stuff is real “fakey” too as I used to say when noticing the seams in the monster movie special effects. Plenty of videos out there on this. Search it up.

The stuff is so on-its-face fake that the only thing keeping people who’ve looked the slightest bit into it saying it can’t be fake is the idea that so many people across the world would have to be in on it if it weren’t true. Before 2020 perhaps that was a reasonable argument.

tanked says

BoomAndBustCycle says

This is stupid. If the moon landing was fake are all Elon Musks recent rocket launches fake also?

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Drones can. And humans can go to earth orbit but no further because of the Van Allen radiation belt. Lead walls are too heavy to be launched.

How can you "land" anything on a frosted glass disk hanging on the inside of the sky dome? An drone would fall off immediately after engines are switched off.

tanked says

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Drones can.

Forgot to mention. “Curiosity” Mars rover is also fake. Why should they do it for real when they have the technology to fake it and a public who is ready to believe? Anyway, search for the videos. There’s lots of material on this too.

FuckCCP89 says

tanked says

BoomAndBustCycle says

This is stupid. If the moon landing was fake are all Elon Musks recent rocket launches fake also?

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Drones can. And humans can go to earth orbit but no further because of the Van Allen radiation belt. Lead walls are too heavy to be launched.

How can you "land" anything on a frosted glass disk hanging on the inside of the sky dome? An drone would fall off immediately after engines are switched off.

That's one of the common associations - to say that one is a flat earther because they concluded the moon landings were faked. Bart definitely believes the earth to be round.

tanked says

FuckCCP89 says

tanked says

BoomAndBustCycle says

This is stupid. If the moon landing was fake are all Elon Musks recent rocket launches fake also?

No, the fake part is humans landing on the moon. Drones can. And humans can go to earth orbit but no further because of the Van Allen radiation belt. Lead walls are too heavy to be launched.

How can you "land" anything on a frosted glass disk hanging on the inside of the sky dome? An drone would fall off immediately after engines are switched off.

That's one of the common associations - to say that one is a flat earther because they concluded the moon landings were faked. Bart definitely believes the earth to be round.

Of course it's round. Disks ARE round.

tanked says

That's one of the common associations - to say that one is a flat earther because they concluded the moon landings were faked. Bart definitely believes the earth to be round.

Yes. Earth is a globe. One other reason why people believe space flight is real: flat earther disinfo agents poison the well by combining flat earth theory with legitimate takedown of space flight hoaxes.

The truth is out there, but it’s tainted. To recap:

All supposed trips to outer space are fake.

Anyone saying the trip to the moon was fake but other space exploits like the ISS and Mars rover is real, is either naive or a “limited hangout” disinfo agent.

Anyone saying trip to the moon and the “globe” earth are both fake is either naive or a “poison the well” disinfo agent.

Anyone saying any of this all has to be real because it would require too much intergovernmental cooperation, just look what’s been happening for the past two years.

Curiosity Mars Rover was impregnated by a Mars alien and gave birth to mini me Mars rovers. I know because I read it in the National Enquirer while waiting in line at the grocery store and slapping somebody's baby's hands off the candy bars.

Where do the moon rocks come from? Where do meteorites come from? How do comm, weather, and spy satellites work?

Also, all the planets are spheres except for the Earth, which alone is a flat disk.

Also have to explain that all the Russian drone and rover moon landings were fake.

Undoctored says

tanked says

That's one of the common associations - to say that one is a flat earther because they concluded the moon landings were faked. Bart definitely believes the earth to be round.

Yes. Earth is a globe. One other reason why people believe space flight is real: flat earther disinfo agents poison the well by combining flat earth theory with legitimate takedown of space flight hoaxes.

The truth is out there, but it’s tainted. To recap:

All supposed trips to outer space are fake.

Anyone saying the trip to the moon was fake but other space exploits like the ISS and Mars rover is real, is either naive or a “limited hangout” disinfo agent.

Anyone saying trip to the moon and the “globe” earth are both fake is either naive or a “poison the well” disinfo agent.

Anyone saying any of this all has to be real because it would require too much intergovernmental cooperat...

Nah, some things are real, some are fake. Just discuss what you conclude is real and what you conclude is fake. Some ISS shots are fake, that much I do know.

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AmericanKulak says

Where do the moon rocks come from? Where do meteorites come from? How do comm, weather, and spy satellites work?

Also, all the planets are spheres except for the Earth, which alone is a flat disk.

Flat earthers are wrong about shape of the earth but may be right on other things.

Moon rocks are just rocks. Can’t prove they were collected by astronauts or rovers. Maybe they are meteorites from outer space. Point is we didn’t send anything into outer space to go and get them.

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

So-called satellite view — come on that’s just aerial view from an airplane. You’ve been in an airplane before, right? You’ve seen those little buildings and roads and parks and ponds and stuff when flying low. Once you’re up over the clouds you can’t see any of that. From outer space? Forget it!

And spy satellites? You mean the ones that can see you but you can’t see them? I’ll just leave it at that.

Undoctored says

All supposed trips to outer space are fake.

Elon Musk and SpaceX are faking it too?

Elon is spending billions of his own money and working 100 hour work weeks down in Boca Chica Texas as part of this international scam?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd_aIRkI5ws&source=patrick.net

Who really knows what Elon Musk is wasting his money and time on? Yeah but I admit a lot of work goes into this simulation of space exploration. They readily admit to doing simulations. Then they pass the simulation off as reality and pocket the difference. Nice rocket, er, racket.

Undoctored says

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

No, satellites certainly aren't fake. Satellite communication sucks because you have to do it in geosynchronous orbit or have your dish follow the satellite (which CAN be done, that is how starlink works). It the bad old days, just 20 years ago, when you talked to somebody in Australia, you were going through a satellite link even over a computer or a phone. The delay was enormous - enough to notice.

I used to work on DSS satellite receivers. It's a lot more banal than you know.

The whole flat earth thing is new. It did not exist until 2010 on the Internet. It's a psy-op. Most people who claim to believe the earth is flat don't. They just claim it. It's like the Church of the Subgenius - a member of that "church" will NEVER break character and admit it's just a joke religion.



But have your fun.

richwicks says

Undoctored says

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

No, satellites certainly aren't fake. Satellite communication sucks because you have to do it in geosynchronous orbit or have your dish follow the satellite (which CAN be done, that is how starlink works). It the bad old days, just 20 years ago, when you talked to somebody in Australia, you were going through a satellite link even over a computer or a phone. The delay was enormous - enough to notice.

I used to work on DSS satellite receivers. It's a lot more banal than you know.

The whole flat earth thing is new. It did not exist until 2010 on the Internet. It's a psy-op. Most people who claim to believe the earth is flat don't....

So which one is it, a psy op or a running joke? Flying Spaghetti Monster also comes to mind.

tanked says

richwicks says

Undoctored says

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

No, satellites certainly aren't fake. Satellite communication sucks because you have to do it in geosynchronous orbit or have your dish follow the satellite (which CAN be done, that is how starlink works). It the bad old days, just 20 years ago, when you talked to somebody in Australia, you were going through a satellite link even over a computer or a phone. The delay was enormous - enough to notice.

I used to work on DSS satellite receivers. It's a lot more banal than you know.

The whole flat earth thing is new. It did not exist until 2010 on th...

I suppose that is the psy op - some will advocate it as a joke and end up actually convincing some. Never considered what was going on with it before, thanks. The psy op is to say that all conspiracy theories (another CIA invented term to slander deep researchers) are equivalent to saying the earth is flat.

I believe:

1. The earth that we all live on is a spinning globe.
2. All evidence of space travel by humans including to and from the ISS is either inconclusive or demonstrably fake.
3. Yes there are things orbiting the earth, satellites if you will, but they are all natural objects including what is taken for the ISS. Calling a dish or radio receiver a “satellite” receiver doesn’t mean it’s receiving messages from outer space.

Undoctored says

Satellites are also fake. Telecommunication is done via earthly radio transmitters and cables. If satellites were any good you wouldn’t need cell towers everywhere. “Satellite” radio and TV services is just a marketing gimmick.

Now you're just trolling. This would be trivial for any HAM operator to figure out.

Are the HAM operators in on it?

I’m not trolling. This is what I believe. Then again I don’t know enough about ham radio to know whether a radio operator on the ground would be able to distinguish a satellite from a high altitude radio balloon.

https://www.overlookhorizon.com/radio-tracking-information/?source=patrick.net

In any case I’m happy to drop the subject of satellites and concentrate on human space travel or just the moon landing for the purposes of this topic. My point was mostly that you can have very far reaching skepticism about space technology without going “flat earth.”

Undoctored says

I’m not trolling. This is what I believe. Then again I don’t know enough about ham radio to know whether a radio operator on the ground would be able to distinguish a satellite from a high altitude radio balloon.

https://www.overlookhorizon.com/radio-tracking-information/?source=patrick.net

In any case I’m happy to drop the subject of satellites and concentrate on human space travel or just the moon landing for the purposes of this topic. My point was mostly that you can have very far reaching skepticism about space technology without going “flat earth.”

I don't know why people are skeptical of satellites. They are hardly difficult to understand. They are just in orbit. Orbit is when the centripetal force == gravitational pull. In low earth orbit, this is about 15,000 miles an hour. In geosynchronous orbit it's about 7,000 mph.

I can reasonably believe that the entire mission to the moon was faked, PROVIDED my understanding of nation states is COMPLETELY wrong. It would be something like all wars are fake, all governments co-operate, and we already live under a one world government without our knowledge. That's a LOT to swallow, but it's conceivable.

However there's no reason to fake satellites, or the ISS. If it's just an excuse to steal money from the public, I can think of a few million ways to do it more easily. The Fed can, for example, just print money and not tell the public - which is exactly what they do anyhow. They can just have a shitty health care system in which they steal 1/2 the money because the books aren't open anyhow. They could just start bullshit wars which aren't meant to win, and cut a deal with the "defense" contractors for 1/2.

If we could use balloons instead of satellites, that would be awesome. Far cheaper to launch. Would be trivial to do phone and internet coverage - keeping them stationary though, THAT would be a problem.

One thing I've learned over the last 2 years is engineers can be duped, OUTSIDE OF THEIR FIELD. I know so many people that believe in the pandemic nonsense, but for satellites? We have fun calculating all this crap. If you have a decent high power telescope, you can see the ISS - well for a brief period of time as it passes from the light to the dark side of the Earth - it quickly goes into shadow.

GPS is based on Doppler shift of satellites. You could do it (very crudely) with Sputnik. Talking about Sputnik, that would have had to been a conspiracy between our nation and the USSR - same as with the moon landing. It's just obtaining orbit is pretty easy with massive power. It's not even really rocket science, although it's literally rocket science. The big problem with rocket science is "how do we keep this bomb from exploding, and just having it burn for 10 minutes instead?"

Satellites are real, ISS is real (and a complete waste of money), Mir was real, Skylab was real, but MAYBE the moon missions were entirely faked. I'd say that possibility is less than 1 in 10,000.

tanked says

So which one is it, a psy op or a running joke? Flying Spaghetti Monster also comes to mind.

I don't bother to worry which it might be, could be a 3rd or 4th alternative, it could be a combination.

I just know it's false. I don't care where it's coming from.

richwicks says

tanked says

So which one is it, a psy op or a running joke? Flying Spaghetti Monster also comes to mind.

I don't bother to worry which it might be, could be a 3rd or 4th alternative, it could be a combination.

I just know it's false. I don't care where it's coming from.

Not just false but laughably false. Even in Columbus' time they knew the earth was round, AND the correct size. They just didn't know the Americas were there. Columbus believed the earth was only 8000 miles around and that's why he could make it to India without starving to death/dying of thirst.

Even in Ancient Egypt they knew the earth was round and the correct size based on the length of a shadow at high noon.

As soon as humans got seafaring they knew. Ships departing disappear from the horizon before they should, because of the curve of the earth.