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mostly reader saysI wouldn't know that I'm incorrect until someone destroys my argument.
I'm satisfied you can't possibly ever find any error in your position because you're not intellectually capable of doing it.
I think other people here can easily see the error in your position.
I'm satisfied you can't possibly ever find any error in your position because you're not intellectually capable of doing it.
You two, boys you’ll enjoy the convo a lot more if you take it less personal and insult each other less. Just old age advice. Patnet is a nice site, we should all learn to get along.As of 02/23/2022 it got personal. Sometimes you have to call things for what they are.
Your problem is, you can't find any error in my position either.
I think it's quite obvious that the US overthrew Ukraine, that the US picked the next leaders, that they were infiltrating Ukraine for a long time, that the leadership of Ukraine are all puppets of the United States, and that the US has been targeting Russia for a very long time. I think this is obvious to you, but you're lying about it.What's missing? Any attempt to counter my argument. Covering it up with BS (in hope that it disappears?)
I think people going through the tedium of this thread would come to the same conclusion I have anyhow.
You two watch Oliver Stones new documentary on Ukraine, it’s very eye opening on what went on behind the scenes. The corruption, the theft, the coups, it’s bad. People of Ukraine are fucked by their government even more than we are by Biden puppet admin.Sure. Ukraine was a pit of corruption.
Russia held Ukraine and a huge chunk of Eastern Europe behind a fucking concrete wall for nearly half a century stunting generations of people to the failures of Totalitarian Marxism while sending millions to the Gulag. (Not to mention the millions killed in the Ukraine by Stalin during the 1930's Red Famine)
They also spread their Marxist poison to all corners of the world (Asia, Africa, Middle East, South/Central America) fucking up more human life for generations.
Assuming you are older than 20 - do you have no memory of this?
Or is all that history just fake news like all of the Marxist professors in US Academia claim?
socal2 saysRussia held Ukraine and a huge chunk of Eastern Europe behind a fucking concrete wall for nearly half a century stunting generations of people to the failures of Totalitarian Marxism while sending millions to the Gulag. (Not to mention the millions killed in the Ukraine by Stalin during the 1930's Red Famine)
They also spread their Marxist poison to all corners of the world (Asia, Africa, Middle East, South/Central America) fucking up more human life for generations.
Assuming you are older than 20 - do you have no memory of this?
Or is all that history just fake news like all of the Marxist professors in US Academia claim?
This thread is supposed to be about propaganda. What's the propaganda angle in all this?
The irony here is that Russia isn't the USSR, it's NOT communist, it's had a HUGE resurgence in religion. Really, it's more like the 1950's United States than the US is.It's as if you have close ties to Russia, wink, wink.
It's more like the 1950's US all right. Except for mandatory military draft, having to carry ID papers when you go outside, vaccination QR codes to get into a restaurant (Moscow), and resurgence in religion in which all the leading figures of the religion are close buddies with "team Putler". Oh, and all that poverty outside of major cities. But that's of course minor.
It's as if you have close ties to Russia, wink, wink.
Russia is INFINITELY improved over what it used to be. Vastly improved.You know that how? Time to disclose your connections and drop the pretense of impartial reasoning (wink, wink) I do agree with you that roaming the streets of Moscow (or St. Peterburg, or Yekaterinburg, or Vladivostok) was fun when you had dollars in your pockets. Except for those damn papers which you had to carry with you just in case.
You are right! That must've been what "mostly writer" meant when he compared today's Russia to 1950's US (LOL).
I'm sorry my examples, particularly with the military draft and several of the largest cities and states in America imposing vaccine IDs to eat in restaurants, ruined your narrative.That wasn't much of a narrative. But I think that they really, REALLY, ruined the "mostly writer"'s comparison between todays Russia and US back then. See, he meant it in the most Russia-friendly way. And then there you come with your clarifications. I didn't think that I'd have to explain it, but they made his comparison not quite as flattering.
richwicks saysRussia is INFINITELY improved over what it used to be. Vastly improved.You know that how?
I have Russian coworkers today. Those didn't exist in 1950 unless they were defectors.So, your knowledge of Russia today comes from your coworkers (plural). Is that your primary source? Had to confirm this because, you see, with all this confidence one could think that you are involved more directly. You also have Ukrainian coworkers I recall. Also plural. I hope that all these coworkers get along.
richwicks saysI have Russian coworkers today. Those didn't exist in 1950 unless they were defectors.So, your knowledge of Russia today comes from your coworkers (plural). Is that your primary source? Had to confirm this because, you see, with all this confidence one could think that you are involved more directly.
You also have Ukrainian coworkers I recall.
Do you trust them with everything that they say? What's their take on the current invasion?
I have Russian coworkers today.
I've had a couple.
I don't want to draw attention to the fact they are Russian and I'm in Silicon Valley, people are supposed to be smart here, but they aren't.
For those who say that rt.com or any Russian govt pnwed press agency is "far worse" than what the US has, you are wrong.Are you too comparing two variables while knowing only one of them?
mell saysFor those who say that rt.com or any Russian govt pnwed press agency is "far worse" than what the US has, you are wrong.Are you too comparing two variables while knowing only one of them?
Example: there's this arguably most popular Russian band, "Leningrad". The leader of the band Shnurov is connected and has dipped into politics. He just created a new clip. The point of the clip is that Russians are now treated in Europe the same way as Jews in Germany in 1940. I.e. that there are "No Dogs and Russians" signs (that's literally what the song says), and that Russians must wear id-patches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeIjDxbAZeM&source=patrick.net
I.e. that there are "No Dogs and Russians" signs (that's literally what the song says), and that Russians must wear id-patches https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeIjDxbAZeM&source=patrick.netI just clicked on my own link to verify something and noticed that the clip has English subtitles. Watch it! It's worth it. Just so you get vague idea about propaganda Russian style.
When you enter a restaurant, wearing any random piece of cloth over your mouth and nose will protect you from disease. But that protection isn't necessary when you sit down at a table in the restaurant. The germs will completely avoid your table area until you have finished eating, drinking, and talking. And of course paid your check. Then the disease will again attack, so put your mask back on before leaving.
So the germs only live in our mouths and nose, and the random piece of cloth guarantees they stay there? The propaganda angles here are endless.It appears that you need to be enlightened on very basic stuff.
So the germs only live in our mouths and nose, and the random piece of cloth guarantees they stay there? The propaganda angles here are endless.
Virus is indeed smaller than openings in a mask. Which is why we have that cute meme with one person wearing a mask and another person building a wire fence against mosquitos, with implication that they are equally likely to succeed. The meme authors apparently didn't realize that virus doesn't get transmitted in isolation. It gets spread within droplets of bodily fluids. And those droplets are for the most part greater in size than openings in the mask, and may be stopped. Then of course there's matter of statistics and other parameters, but there's no doubt that in a lab-controlled environment exposure of a person wearing a mask is lesser than the one who isn't, and significantly so.
Unless you have a reasonable resource to show that exposure in same controlled environment is the same. Do you? I doubt it.
We have real life, real world data that trumps controlled studies.Show them.
My view is the correct viewWhat exactly is your view? That mask or no mask, exposure to self and to those around is the same? Are we clear on that?
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