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richwicks saysWhat poppycock.You didn't even read it, did you? Read it. Compare timelines. Not just one point, the entire timeline.
I explained why your "CIA coup" assertion is dishonest.
At George of the 2020 Color Revolution elites played on us. The martyr of the movement… fuck this government
I have compared timelines. The audio call was made public 3 weeks before Yanukovych was deposed.So, you have ignored the emphasis - that the uprising started MONTHS prior. You also missed my point in capitals. You still wouldn't touch it. It destroys you.
At George of the 2020 Color Revolution elites played on us. The martyr of the movement… fuck this government
Yeah, that's right. This guy is a hero saint:
mostly reader saysI addressed the Noland/Yanukovytch comment in a post more fitting for this thread. https://patrick.net/post/1344073&40#comment-1826473 But duly noted that you 1) compare "dangling of EU Carrots and US aid" to first hybrid war and then invasion 2) assert nonetheless that Russia is a trustworthy partner.Budapest Memorandum
Violated in 2004 and 2014 by the US and UK when they fomented coups, thus failing to:
Respect Belarusian, Kazakh and Ukrainian independence and sovereignty in the existing borders.
The dangling of EU Carrots and US aid for 'correct' domestic and foreign policies:
Refrain from using economic pressure on Belarus, Kazakhstan or Ukraine to influence their politics.
We have "Toria" Nuland on tape discussing who should replace Yankovytch before he was overthrown.
So, you have ignored the emphasis -
Now if Nuland wasn't such a stupid fucking whore, she would have denied the conversation, that would have been plausible at least. But she didn't.OMG. Is that enlightenment coming through? Nah, doubt it.
richwicks saysNow if Nuland wasn't such a stupid fucking whore, she would have denied the conversation, that would have been plausible at least. But she didn't.OMG. Is that enlightenment coming through? Nah, doubt it.
Indeed. She should've foreseen into what kind of message the propaganda machine will turn this conversation. She didn't, that whore, and (I can only assume) didn't make much of it.
But how is that timeline check going? Have you already discovered that Maidan started in 2013?
It's irrelevant. It doesn't matter what happened prior.It's super relevant. It destroys your narrative. Which you would've known if you read and comprehended my post.
richwicks saysIt's irrelevant. It doesn't matter what happened prior.It's super relevant. Which you would've known if you read and comprehended my post.
You really should change your handle to "mostly writer".
I addressed the Noland/Yanukovytch comment in a post more fitting for this thread. https://patrick.net/post/1344073&40#comment-1826473 But duly noted that you 1) compare "dangling of EU Carrots and US aid" to first hybrid war and then invasion 2) assert nonetheless that Russia is a trustworthy partner.
The only point I've been making repeatedly is that Victoria Nuland was openly choosing the next leader of Ukraine before the position for leader of Ukraine was open.Of course she was. And that's a truth. And I further explained how you turned it into a lie. Omission here, omission there.. it looks like you know the drill.
richwicks saysThe only point I've been making repeatedly is that Victoria Nuland was openly choosing the next leader of Ukraine before the position for leader of Ukraine was open.Of course she was. And that's a truth. And I further explained how you turned it into a lie. Omission here, omission there.. it looks like you know the drill.
I'm just kind of ignoring you... (followed by hundreds of lines of text and recycling the same points)This is not what "ignoring" looks like.
richwicks saysI'm just kind of ignoring you... (followed by hundreds of lines of text and recycling the same points)This is not what "ignoring" looks like.
Yeah, I was being sloppy in my writing.Indeed. You are also sloppy in your thinking.
Or more succinctly, I think everybody here realizes you're incorrect, and you're incapable of realizing it.
What we all need to know about the propaganda coming from "Ukraine"
More on the fake atrocities, a (real) false flag attack, and those parts of the story that the propaganda is NOT telling us
Mark Crispin Miller
A rundown of the many fake atrocities that millions think were actually committed by the Russians in Ukraine:
https://www.stopworldcontrol.com/ukraine/?source=patrick.net
An eyewitness of a Ukrainian false flag attack tells what she saw:
https://21stcenturywire.com/2022/03/12/witness-exposes-ukrainian-army-false-flag-operation-in-donbass/?source=patrick.net
“The White House is outsourcing propaganda,” by “briefing” TikTok stars about “Ukraine”:
https://t.me/realCRP/3605?source=patrick.net
For a fuller picture of the current crisis:
In a talk at Yale in 2018, Vladimir Pozner offered crucial background to the US/Russia relationship, which was already at an all-time low:
A sharp take on this madness, from Vladimir Golstein, Professor of Slavic Studies at Brown University:
The Truth Barrier
Words From A Russian Professor Of Slavic Studies: Western Powers, Was It Worth It?
Just to Sum Up. So Russia gets nervous about NATO pushing into Ukraine. Fine. People should understand it, including Americans, who were ready to go to war over Cuban missile crisis. Putin organizes a real diplomatic blitzkrieg. Lavrov and Putin meet dozens of western leaders in less than a month. Yet, all he gets is a middle finger…
Read more
12 hours ago · 68 likes · 24 comments · Celia Farber
“Those people’s lives don’t matter”: On the staggering hypocrisy of the outrage over “Ukraine”:
https://content.blubrry.com/last_american_vagabond/TDWU-3-10-22-FINAL.mp3?source=patrick.net
Dilyana Gatandzhieva, Bulgarian investigative journalist, on the US bio-weapons program—an article from 2018, and a recent interview on the US bio-labs in Ukraine:
The Pentagon Bio-weapons
By Dilyana Gaytandzhieva April 29, 2018
https://archive.ph/N0IAR?source=patrick.net#selection-395.0-446.0
I wouldn't know that I'm incorrect until someone destroys my argument.
mostly reader saysI wouldn't know that I'm incorrect until someone destroys my argument.
I'm satisfied you can't possibly ever find any error in your position because you're not intellectually capable of doing it.
I think other people here can easily see the error in your position.
I'm satisfied you can't possibly ever find any error in your position because you're not intellectually capable of doing it.
You two, boys you’ll enjoy the convo a lot more if you take it less personal and insult each other less. Just old age advice. Patnet is a nice site, we should all learn to get along.As of 02/23/2022 it got personal. Sometimes you have to call things for what they are.
Your problem is, you can't find any error in my position either.
I think it's quite obvious that the US overthrew Ukraine, that the US picked the next leaders, that they were infiltrating Ukraine for a long time, that the leadership of Ukraine are all puppets of the United States, and that the US has been targeting Russia for a very long time. I think this is obvious to you, but you're lying about it.What's missing? Any attempt to counter my argument. Covering it up with BS (in hope that it disappears?)
I think people going through the tedium of this thread would come to the same conclusion I have anyhow.
You two watch Oliver Stones new documentary on Ukraine, it’s very eye opening on what went on behind the scenes. The corruption, the theft, the coups, it’s bad. People of Ukraine are fucked by their government even more than we are by Biden puppet admin.Sure. Ukraine was a pit of corruption.
Russia held Ukraine and a huge chunk of Eastern Europe behind a fucking concrete wall for nearly half a century stunting generations of people to the failures of Totalitarian Marxism while sending millions to the Gulag. (Not to mention the millions killed in the Ukraine by Stalin during the 1930's Red Famine)
They also spread their Marxist poison to all corners of the world (Asia, Africa, Middle East, South/Central America) fucking up more human life for generations.
Assuming you are older than 20 - do you have no memory of this?
Or is all that history just fake news like all of the Marxist professors in US Academia claim?
socal2 saysRussia held Ukraine and a huge chunk of Eastern Europe behind a fucking concrete wall for nearly half a century stunting generations of people to the failures of Totalitarian Marxism while sending millions to the Gulag. (Not to mention the millions killed in the Ukraine by Stalin during the 1930's Red Famine)
They also spread their Marxist poison to all corners of the world (Asia, Africa, Middle East, South/Central America) fucking up more human life for generations.
Assuming you are older than 20 - do you have no memory of this?
Or is all that history just fake news like all of the Marxist professors in US Academia claim?
This thread is supposed to be about propaganda. What's the propaganda angle in all this?
The irony here is that Russia isn't the USSR, it's NOT communist, it's had a HUGE resurgence in religion. Really, it's more like the 1950's United States than the US is.It's as if you have close ties to Russia, wink, wink.
It's more like the 1950's US all right. Except for mandatory military draft, having to carry ID papers when you go outside, vaccination QR codes to get into a restaurant (Moscow), and resurgence in religion in which all the leading figures of the religion are close buddies with "team Putler". Oh, and all that poverty outside of major cities. But that's of course minor.
It's as if you have close ties to Russia, wink, wink.
Russia is INFINITELY improved over what it used to be. Vastly improved.You know that how? Time to disclose your connections and drop the pretense of impartial reasoning (wink, wink) I do agree with you that roaming the streets of Moscow (or St. Peterburg, or Yekaterinburg, or Vladivostok) was fun when you had dollars in your pockets. Except for those damn papers which you had to carry with you just in case.
You are right! That must've been what "mostly writer" meant when he compared today's Russia to 1950's US (LOL).
I'm sorry my examples, particularly with the military draft and several of the largest cities and states in America imposing vaccine IDs to eat in restaurants, ruined your narrative.That wasn't much of a narrative. But I think that they really, REALLY, ruined the "mostly writer"'s comparison between todays Russia and US back then. See, he meant it in the most Russia-friendly way. And then there you come with your clarifications. I didn't think that I'd have to explain it, but they made his comparison not quite as flattering.
richwicks saysRussia is INFINITELY improved over what it used to be. Vastly improved.You know that how?
I have Russian coworkers today. Those didn't exist in 1950 unless they were defectors.So, your knowledge of Russia today comes from your coworkers (plural). Is that your primary source? Had to confirm this because, you see, with all this confidence one could think that you are involved more directly. You also have Ukrainian coworkers I recall. Also plural. I hope that all these coworkers get along.
richwicks saysI have Russian coworkers today. Those didn't exist in 1950 unless they were defectors.So, your knowledge of Russia today comes from your coworkers (plural). Is that your primary source? Had to confirm this because, you see, with all this confidence one could think that you are involved more directly.
You also have Ukrainian coworkers I recall.
Do you trust them with everything that they say? What's their take on the current invasion?
I have Russian coworkers today.
I've had a couple.
I don't want to draw attention to the fact they are Russian and I'm in Silicon Valley, people are supposed to be smart here, but they aren't.
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