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mostly reader says

richwicks says

This is the funny thing, today, the Russian government is more credible than the American government is.

This is not the funny thing. This is the funniest thing. The funniest thing that I heard all day.

You are comparing cold to cancer, match burn to autodafe, paper cut to decapitation. And your comparison is reversed.

The US government has lied about

* The Nayirah testimony to start Operation Desert Storm
* The Al-Shifa pharmaceutical plant in Sudan making chemical weapons so Clinton could blow it up to distract from Monica Lewinsky's dress.
* A weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq to start the 2nd Iraq War
* Assad using chemical weapons so the US could bomb it, try to remove Russia's military base in Tartus, and to put in an oil mining operation for Genie Energy
* Qaddafi "causing a humanitarian crisis" so the US could bomb it, creating an humanitarian crisis.
* Russian Collusion
* Clinton having done no wrong by placing classified materials on a server that was known to have been compromised
* Opium cultivation in Afganistan which was under US military occupation - that's PART of the reason we were there.
* PROBABLY 9/11
* Hunter Biden's laptop, and yes, it appears that if some of those images are real, Hunter Biden is a legitimate pedophile.
* The "pandemic" and the effectiveness of several drugs.

So, what are Russia's big lies?

socal2 says

The same folks that are now cheering on Putin are the same sorts that think 9/11 was an inside job and America

You've never even bothered to look into it. You're just repeating what you saw on television. That's the depth of your thinking, repeating what you saw on a glowing propaganda box.

ChauvinsKnee says

richwicks says

I think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender.

Not everybody is a cuck.

@ChauvinsKnee People like you are so full of shit.

Ukraine is accepting volunteers to fight. I'll buy you a plane ticket if you like, but I see you off at the gate.

You mother fuckers just love war, until you have to fight it. Fucking warmongering chickenhawks. The US has been at 20 years of war, what good has any of the wars been for this nation, or the people of this nation? But you braying asses keep clamoring for it, as if it shows some bravery to do it.

https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1506256136504184834?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

ChauvinsKnee says

richwicks says

I think Ukraine has no hope in this war, and should have never fought it, they should immediately surrender.

Not everybody is a cuck.

@ChauvinsKnee People like you are so full of shit.

Ukraine is accepting volunteers to fight. I'll buy you a plane ticket if you like, but I see you off at the gate.

You mother fuckers just love war, until you have to fight it. Fucking warmongering chickenhawks. The US has been at 20 years of war, what good has any of the wars been for this nation, or the people of this nation? But you braying asses keep clamoring for it, as if it shows some bravery to do it.

It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas on what to do when their country is invaded. You think they should fold. They think they should fight tooth and nail. And they do.

If looked at it objectively the position to lay down arms and surrender to the invading force is kinda similar to letting somebody fuck your wife. Would you?

Eric Holder says

It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas on what to do when their country is invaded. You think they should fold. They think they should fight tooth and nail. And they do.

Well, if they win, I'm wrong.

I think either Russia will win, or, this will become a prolonged battle and all of Ukraine will look like Tripoli or Aleppo does, 10 years from now.

The United States has over 25 bio-research labs in Ukraine - and they are very worried about Russia releasing these agents, which indicates they have to be bioweapons. Is this kind of crap the Ukrainians are actually fighting for, whether they know it or not.

Who am I to tell them to give that up?

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas on what to do when their country is invaded. You think they should fold. They think they should fight tooth and nail. And they do.

Well, if they win, I'm wrong.

You are wrong even if they don't.

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Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Eric Holder says

It's pretty clear that Ukrainians do not share your ideas on what to do when their country is invaded. You think they should fold. They think they should fight tooth and nail. And they do.

Well, if they win, I'm wrong.

You are wrong even if they don't.

People like you get other people killed needlessly.

If in a war, you cannot win, it is pointless to fight, and in fact is immoral to fight, because you don't only lose, you prevent yourself from winning later on. It's a complete loss, and the victor writes the history.

If in a war, you can win, but the cost on lives and property are too great, it's again immoral to fight, because it again just weakens you.

If in a war, you can win, and the cost on lives and property justify it, only then is it worthwhile to fight.

All Ukraine had to do was say "we won't join NATO or host any of their weapons for X number of years", and then renegotiate later on and all this could have been avoided but the US has been driving hard for a conflict with Russia for years, and it should have been particularly obvious by 2016, when we were seeing shit like this:


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I doubt anybody knows what the Ukrainians think at this point. They are downtrodden and cowed with rhetoric and victimization by the powers that be. The only people who think Russia won't succeed in their goals are the carpetbaggers holding on to their dreams of corruption.

Methinks Zelensky wants Russia to crush and kill the Nazis, thus the delays in surrender. If they are left over as a viable force, they will surely kill him if he hasn't done the tinpot dictator trip of fleeing to his offshore accounts and havens.

Once Russia reinvents itself free of murderous Switzerland and the fiat Babylonians and thrives, they show the world that it can be done. As soon as we free ourselves from being their war machine and arbitrary bullies and attack dogs, the same can happen for us.

richwicks says

People like you get other people killed needlessly.

No. People like Putin get other people killed needlessly.

While people like you work on ideological cover for the murderers.

Right, comrade?

Ceffer says

I doubt anybody knows what the Ukrainians think at this point.

I doubt any of them are thinking "I'm willing to die just to up the body count to make Putin look bad".

Because if that's the ultimate outcome, if that's the only possible outcome, that's what they are dying for, and nothing else.

And a body count like that is only used on dumb Americans that claim to care about Ukrainians, but don't give a shit about Libyans, Iraqis, Afghanis, Somalians, Syrians, Somalians, Palestinians, etc. It's just for the sheeple and they don't matter anyhow.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

People like you get other people killed needlessly.

No. People like Putin get other people killed needlessly.

While people like you work on ideological cover for the murderers.

What ideological cover?

Putin stated his terms, for years before this, basically Ukraine can't join NATO - well NATO won't let them join anyhow, so what is the fucking problem? Why didn't Zelenskyy just agree to this?

mostly reader says

Right, comrade?

Communism is dead in Russia, and has been since December 26, 1991.

You don't need to resort to such antiquated stupid propaganda. The USSR is gone, and it's not coming back.

richwicks says

I doubt any of them are thinking "I'm willing to die just to up the body count to make Putin look bad".

Because if that's the ultimate outcome, if that's the only possible outcome

You know that Ukrainian insurgency against Russian Commies started in 1939 lasted up until 1962 or so, right? Who am I kidding, of course you don't.

As for "the only possible outcome", what were Americans thinking when British troops set the White House and the Capitol on fire in 1812? "Uh-oh, there is only ultimate outcome now, time to fold"? You don't know the outcome. Of course the enemy will try to persuade you that all is lost and resistance is futile.

https://youtu.be/XSrB2FN6Fnk?source=patrick.net

http://fighting-vehicles.com/t-80u-tank/russian-t-80u-tank-image-10-t-80uk/?source=patrick.net

Eric Holder says

Of course the enemy will try to persuade you that all is lost and resistance is futile.

That's exactly, EXACTLY what the enemy is now doing.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

I doubt any of them are thinking "I'm willing to die just to up the body count to make Putin look bad".

Because if that's the ultimate outcome, if that's the only possible outcome

You know that Ukrainian insurgency against Russian Commies started in 1939 lasted up until 1962 or so, right? Who am I kidding, of course you don't.

Well, nope, but it doesn't matter - civil wars happen all the time, and the only country I'd be concerned with a civil war, is my country.

Leonid Brezhnev was born in Ukraine.

Eric Holder says

As for "the only possible outcome", what were Americans thinking when British troops set the White House and the Capitol on fire in 1812? "Uh-oh, there is only ultimate outcome now, time to fold"? You don't know the outcome. Of course the enemy will try to persuade you that all is lost and resistance is futile.

Russia can defeat Ukraine by dropping a nuclear bomb right this minute and Russia will do that before Russia is defeated. The best that will happen will be a stalemate, and still Russia will not allow Ukraine to join NATO not that NATO will allow Ukraine to join anyhow.

Just what is Ukraine fighting for? What's their goal? Unless they plan on advancing into Moscow, they're going to get the same deal they would have gotten in the first place - except no lives lost.

As far as I can tell, there was no need for the war in the first place, and it could have been easily avoided. Ukraine, is effectively fighting to have the RIGHT to join NATO, when NATO (they aren't stupid) have no intention of adding them in. How fucking stupid is that? It is only effective propaganda for the United States, nothing more. The more people that die, the better it is for the propaganda.

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506372075681943573?source=patrick.net

https://mobile.twitter.com/RALee85/status/1506372075681943573?source=patrick.net

richwicks says

Just what is Ukraine fighting for? What's their goal?

Independence. Sovereignty. Territorial integrity. Living in their own country and choosing their own leaders and whom to be allied with. Duh!

Same things Americans fought for in the American Revolutionary War and in the War of 1812 against old imperial power who wanter her "historic lands" back.

Eric Holder says

Independence. Sovereignty. Territorial integrity. Living in their own country and choosing their own leaders and whom to be allied with. Duh!

Like Cuba in the early 1960s?

Eric Holder says

Same things Americans fought for in the American Revolutionary War and in the War of 1812 against old imperial power who wanter her "historic lands" back.

The strong do as they will, the weak suffer as they must - that's the real international environment.

With $32T in Debt, $5+/gas, skyrocketing inflation and possible stagflation, and near total dependence on imported goods from Pink Lawn Flamingoes to Nuts and Bolts to Silicon Wafers...

And thousands of military personnel about to be discharged over Vax Refusal, plus openly Crossdressing Perverts celebrated by the Military.

How do you intend to pay for Ukrainian Intervention?

We are in NO condition to embrace Idealism.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/03/tax-dollars-work-ukrainian-officials-keep-getting-caught-fleeing-country-suitcases-full-cash-euros/?source=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

We are in NO condition to embrace Idealism.

We can't afford to provide Javelins, Stingers and maybe some intelligence?

Seems like alot of people here think there is only a binary choice of abandoning Ukraine or getting totally involved in WWIII.

I don't want US boots on the ground, NATO involvement let alone a No Fly Zone. Let the Ukrainians do their own fighting. But I am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry. This could be our most successful (and cheapest) military expenditure in 30+ years!

Why do you think Biden Actor et alia are giving them mothballed Soviet weapons, LOL! They know that the Ukrainian army is surrounded and fucked, and that the weapons will never reach them in any meaningful manner. It's a silly token gesture. The weapons will be destroyed as soon as they cross the Polish border. Keep those Ukie Nazis fighting to the death on the basis of fake news hopium to keep the moribund criminal enterprises in Ukraine limping along for a few more plunder sorties, or for evasions and destructions of criminal records, or for bailout logistics for the rulers.

They can't send the cream of American armaments because they can't. Biden is a failed, faked executive with a cucked fake DOD potemkin apparatus.

Eric Holder says

richwicks says

Just what is Ukraine fighting for? What's their goal?

Independence. Sovereignty. Territorial integrity.

They've had that for over 20 years.

Even when the US overthrew Ukraine, they had it, if Zelenskyy just said "we will remain neutral and not join NATO".

If Zelenskyy just made an agreement to that, then Putin wouldn't have had an excuse to invade. That's Putin's ONLY excuse.

Eric Holder says

Same things Americans fought for in the American Revolutionary War and in the War of 1812 against old imperial power who wanter her "historic lands" back.

What bullshit!

Zelenskyy has his main opposition in jail, and has shut down opposition television stations. They're not a fucking democracy and they don't have sovereignty.

socal2 says

We can't afford to provide Javelins, Stingers and maybe some intelligence?

We can. After we fully fund the Wall and our own border security.

socal2 says

I don't want US boots on the ground, NATO involvement let alone a No Fly Zone. Let the Ukrainians do their own fighting. But I am more than happy to have my tax dollars spent on weapons to bleed Putin and Russia's military dry. This could be our most successful (and cheapest) military expenditure in 30+ years!

I don't disagree, but this a fantastic moment to discuss why we're protecting other people's borders while our own is porous as a sponge, or Kamala's Vagina.

https://www.hennessysview.com/p/if-youre-not-allowed-to-say-it-its?s=r&source=patrick.net

No wonder so many prominent US politicians and their families made millions there. Besides Hunter Biden’s millions funneled to his father to buy influence, Mitt Romney, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, and Hillary Clinton have profited from Ukrainian corruption.

Those true stories of Ukrainian corruption have been swept down the memory hole. Anyone daring to point out that Ukraine has flaws is subject to internal exile, just like anyone who points out the dangers of mRNA vaccines or who questions the efficacy of masks.

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/larry-c-johnson-the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-whats-left-is-mop-up/?source=patrick.net

AmericanKulak says

I don't disagree, but this a fantastic moment to discuss why we're protecting other people's borders while our own is porous as a sponge, or Kamala's Vagina.

Absolutely. Not to mention a fantastic moment to discuss drilling for more oil in the US. Let's hammer these issues home and hang them around the necks of the Left in the midterms.

I just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.

Patrick says

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/larry-c-johnson-the-ukrainian-army-has-been-defeated-whats-left-is-mop-up/?source=patrick.net

so thats why they rushed aid to Ukraine. because no accountability easy to siphon and steal billions while taxpayers think its going to Ukraine. money isn’t going to Ukraine, its making few people rich while they still can.

Crooks never miss a chance to steal.

This may be as good of a thread as any other to announce the new line approved for Rusbots.

The latest and greatest, as observed in other sources, is the following: "The Russians and the Ukrainians is the same people. This bloodbath is meaningless. If only Ukrainians threw out their entire leadership starting with Zelensky, then we could have a meaningful conversation!"

Ceffer says

Why do you think Biden Actor et alia are giving them mothballed Soviet weapons, LOL!

Such weapons could be used to fire on a NATO nation, and then to blame the attack on Russia to drag in NATO.

We'll see.

socal2 says

I just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.

I don't hate Zelensky, or Ukraine, or Putin, or Russia.

I am quite disappointed in the sudden lack of critical thinking by people who figured out the vaxx scam at least.

Taiwan and Japan have got to be wondering if the US will back up its commitments to them with the same fervor it promised to Ukraine when it gave up its nukes.

Any sane foreign government would not believe US assurances of military backing. If they acted in their own self-interest, they would get their own nuclear deterrent.

NATO membership is a good bluff, but it is only a bluff. The NATO countries are not going to war if one member is attacked.

As an example ... let's say Poland decides it can no longer house millions of additional refugees from Ukraine so it makes a deal with Ukraine to annex Ukraine as part of Poland for a while, thereby using the NATO shield to protect Ukraine. This should force Russia to flee as it could not possibly defeat NATO.

... or do you think the other NATO countries would kinda well you know welch on the agreement for fear of being nuked. --- as I say NATO is only a bluff

Misc says

Taiwan and Japan have got to be wondering if the US will back up its commitments to them with the same fervor it promised to Ukraine when it gave up its nukes.

You mean the United States the soul of honorable behavior and impeccable credibility with our thrashing, insane, psychopathic fools in governance through a stolen election?

Taiwan also has many of those DARPA biolabs it appears, and rumors have it that they have already hashed out an agreement in principle with the mainland for rapprochement.

No matter what bullshit the MSM gives, you don't need these labs for 'defense'. Bioweapons are weapons of terror that work in a generalized and crude manner on entire populations. They cannot be targeted in time and space to specific uniformed combatants representing countries at war. So if that is the case, who exactly are the intended targets?

The fact that these labs exist in so many different locations spread out in such large numbers such as Khaz, Ukraine, Taiwan etc. simply means they are intended to be a multi focal engine of genocide to be released from these many geo locations to kill large masses the populaces as the Globalists intend. This is the NWO Biden is raving about.

The Rockefeller eugenicists and Globalists have been hungering for this since they 'got away' with the Spanish Flu, which was neither Spanish nor was it a flu, it was a mass murder casualty accomplished with vaccines. When they lost their ability to extort with the 'suitcase nukes', the next engine of world extortion is these bioweapons.

Patrick says

socal2 says

I just don't get all of the over the top hate on Zelensky and Ukraine by some folks.

I don't hate Zelensky, or Ukraine, or Putin, or Russia.

I am quite disappointed in the sudden lack of critical thinking by people who figured out the vaxx scam at least.

exactly same here. I'm seeing us being lied to again by the usual crew that lies all the time. something doesn't add up, as usual. it is very odd that our government and media went on such a pivot. CNN/FOX lied for years, suddenly they tell truth?... yeah right come on guys!!! you know they are full of shit, and if they are telling you something it's because they want something out of you. there are no news anymore, all we get is some sort of marketing. they are manufacturing some sort of consent as usual.

I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.

This.

Patrick says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

I do wish more people thought with their heads instead of just mindlessly pick sides in some third world conflict that shouldn't matter to us.

This.

Mindlessly picking sides?

Just because the Democrats and our Garbage Media went bonkers with the Russian collusion thing and COVID trying to take down Trump, doesn't mean I am going to automatically ignore and deny over half a century of USSR/Russian crimes and actions.

Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.

My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.

Just because Leftists and our Media are total hypocrites, doesn't mean those of us on the Right have to lose all sense of reality.

If the Media and Corporate America start getting critical on China and Iran, will you automatically pick the opposite side?

socal2 says

Mindlessly picking sides?

Just because the Democrats and our Garbage Media went bonkers with the Russian collusion thing and COVID trying to take down Trump, doesn't mean I am going to automatically ignore and deny over half a century of USSR/Russian crimes and actions.

Even if everything claimed about Zelensky and Ukraine is true, it is not even remotely reasonable to justify the tens of thousands of people Russia is getting killed over the last month.

My whole life - Leftists and our Garbage Media has been trying to whitewash the manifest crimes of the Communists. It wasn't but a few years ago Obama was mocking Romney for pointing out the obvious threats from Putin and Russia. Hillary was busy doing photo-ops with Lavrov with the famous reset button and basically handing over Georgia and Crimea to Russia without a peep.

Just because Leftists and our Media are total hypocrites, doesn't mean those of us on the Right have to lose all sense of reality.
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Friend, nothing on television is reality. There is little bit of truth to everything sure, that makes it more believable, but what they show us isn't reality, it's manufactured reality. It's been that way for years, and you know that. We've been lied into many wars and scams. All I'm saying is take things with grain of salt. Because it is suspicious what they are saying, and suddenly grew concerns the way they did, it is suspicious how they pivot and instantly we all are told by entire media complex to get behind whatever bullshit thing they want us to. And it's never for our benefit, we already had 2 years of lockdowns "for our own good", we should have learned by now.

I don't give a shit about Russia or Ukraine, but seeing how our government is all out in propaganda mode similar to Iraq WMD days, I call it for what it is. Media is business of consent manufacturing, you and I are living through it now. "We were always at war with FillInTheBlank".

Sand bags for improvised fortifications.

Odessa is getting ready to give the liberators greeting that they deserve, Bon Jovi style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlWKrxLBsss&source=patrick.net