The discussion of evil, Patnet thread version.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 27, 7:03pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 27, 7:03pm
Some say abortion is evil, others say it is evil to limit the right to chose.
Some say sodomy is evil others say only evil bigots would even use the word sodomy.
Some say Putin and Hitler are evil, and others say Mao and Xe are good.
Some say vaccine choice is evil and others say forced vaccination is evil.
Some say bigotry is evil and others say people of color need extra help to become equal with whites.
Some say profit is evil and others say without profit there is no incentive for work or investment.
Some say slavery is evil but then fail to provide a living wage for people in their employ.
Some say tax evasion is evil but the go out of their way to avoid paying their fair share.
Some say censorship is evil but refuse to allow those with divergent opinions to work or have a platform.
Some say sodomy is evil others say only evil bigots would even use the word sodomy.
Some say Putin and Hitler are evil, and others say Mao and Xe are good.
Some say vaccine choice is evil and others say forced vaccination is evil.
Some say bigotry is evil and others say people of color need extra help to become equal with whites.
Some say profit is evil and others say without profit there is no incentive for work or investment.
Some say slavery is evil but then fail to provide a living wage for people in their employ.
Some say tax evasion is evil but the go out of their way to avoid paying their fair share.
Some say censorship is evil but refuse to allow those with divergent opinions to work or have a platform.
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Shaman
2022 Mar 27, 7:32pm
Shaman
2022 Mar 27, 7:32pm
Turn “evil” around and you have “live!”
So evil is the opposite of what it means to live.
If that’s having a second trimester abortion which kills an unborn human or if that’s taking advantage of a renter’s circumstance by doubling his rent and impoverishing his family, it’s against life, against what it means to live a good life. So it’s evil.
Jabbing a couple billion people with a serum that will kill them slowly is a whole different magnitude of evil. And forcing them to take the jab by withholding the means to feed their families is just evil squared!
These are evil times.
So evil is the opposite of what it means to live.
If that’s having a second trimester abortion which kills an unborn human or if that’s taking advantage of a renter’s circumstance by doubling his rent and impoverishing his family, it’s against life, against what it means to live a good life. So it’s evil.
Jabbing a couple billion people with a serum that will kill them slowly is a whole different magnitude of evil. And forcing them to take the jab by withholding the means to feed their families is just evil squared!
These are evil times.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 27, 8:09pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 27, 8:09pm
Well said Shaman. Your concept of life vs. evil is simple yet profound.
It does beg the question is war, or capital punishment evil?
And it does not answer perhaps the most important question where does evil originate?
It does beg the question is war, or capital punishment evil?
And it does not answer perhaps the most important question where does evil originate?
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 28, 9:00am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 28, 9:00am
Was discussing this over the weekend. Western culture doesn't understand the spiritual world the way most other cultures do. And in denying that reality, we overlook or fail to understand the ramifications of much of what is happening in our world.
If there is God, there must be Satan.
What I'm saying is the people aligned against us are controlled by more than just a lust for money or power. The root of things like Ukraine, Covid, BLM, etc is demonic, and destructive. To those who carry it out just as much as those who suffer under it.
If there is God, there must be Satan.
What I'm saying is the people aligned against us are controlled by more than just a lust for money or power. The root of things like Ukraine, Covid, BLM, etc is demonic, and destructive. To those who carry it out just as much as those who suffer under it.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 28, 8:26pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 28, 8:26pm
Well said, and might I add, if there is no God, there is no such thing as evil. Now you and I know better, but that is the point I am making. If we don’t understand where evil comes from, and recognize it when it rears it’s ugly head, then we are doomed.
And there are many subtleties at play in the evaluation of good and evil. Is Ukraine good and Putin/Russia evil? It’s not that simple is it? Is peace good and war evil? that is a false dichotomy. It life so precious that we must sacrifice liberty to save it? Perhaps, but not if the sacrifice is involuntary.
And there are many subtleties at play in the evaluation of good and evil. Is Ukraine good and Putin/Russia evil? It’s not that simple is it? Is peace good and war evil? that is a false dichotomy. It life so precious that we must sacrifice liberty to save it? Perhaps, but not if the sacrifice is involuntary.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2022 Mar 28, 8:47pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2022 Mar 28, 8:47pm
PeopleUnited says
I've fucked well over 100 women. I was somewhere around 119 I think about 10 years ago when I still lived in the bay area. I lost count down here in SD.
Never once had to deal with an abortion.
Knocked a chick up in my 20s from Louisiana lol. Fortunately, "The Louisiana Fruit Fly", had a miscarriage or I would have been in a world of shit. Last count 7 baby daddies after me.
Pretty fucking evil killing helpless kids. Not to mention the shit the labs do with the parts.
Some say abortion is evil, others say it is evil to limit the right to chose.
I've fucked well over 100 women. I was somewhere around 119 I think about 10 years ago when I still lived in the bay area. I lost count down here in SD.
Never once had to deal with an abortion.
Knocked a chick up in my 20s from Louisiana lol. Fortunately, "The Louisiana Fruit Fly", had a miscarriage or I would have been in a world of shit. Last count 7 baby daddies after me.
Pretty fucking evil killing helpless kids. Not to mention the shit the labs do with the parts.
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Patrick
2022 Mar 28, 9:07pm
Patrick
2022 Mar 28, 9:07pm
Good and evil are relationships. Good and evil do not exist unless others exist.
We feel the difference between good and evil. Our crimes accuse us even when buried under the floorboards, as in "The Telltale Heart" by Edgar Allan Poe.
There are no evil people distinctly separate from everyone else.
"If only it were all so simple. If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Yet some people are better than others.
We feel the difference between good and evil. Our crimes accuse us even when buried under the floorboards, as in "The Telltale Heart" by Edgar Allan Poe.
There are no evil people distinctly separate from everyone else.
"If only it were all so simple. If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
Yet some people are better than others.
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richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 2:42am
richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 2:42am
I'll give you a definition of evil.
Hypocrisy I think is one of the greatest evils. Having an undefined set of rules which are arbitrarily enforced is the foundation of evil. If it's evil for you to kill me, but acceptable for me to kill you, that's evil. If I can steal from you, but you cannot steal from me, that's evil. If a corporation can evade taxes legally but you cannot, that's evil. If a black man must sit on the back of the bus, but you can sit anywhere, that's evil. If Hillary Clinton can take home classified documents, place them on a computer that is unsecured, and allow people to buy access to that machine without consequence but Kristian Saucier cannot take a photograph of the interior or a sub, innocently, that's evil. If Hunter Biden can do crack cocaine and engage in prostitution without consequence but an inner city man gets a prison sentence for the same thing, it's evil. If the United States can bomb 7 nations over 20 years without anybody complaining about it, but when Russia bombs Ukraine and is condemned by the world for it, that's evil.
I think hypocrisy is basically the definition of evil.
I think any evil can be traced by to hypocrisy. Dual standards are the basis for evil.
Hypocrisy I think is one of the greatest evils. Having an undefined set of rules which are arbitrarily enforced is the foundation of evil. If it's evil for you to kill me, but acceptable for me to kill you, that's evil. If I can steal from you, but you cannot steal from me, that's evil. If a corporation can evade taxes legally but you cannot, that's evil. If a black man must sit on the back of the bus, but you can sit anywhere, that's evil. If Hillary Clinton can take home classified documents, place them on a computer that is unsecured, and allow people to buy access to that machine without consequence but Kristian Saucier cannot take a photograph of the interior or a sub, innocently, that's evil. If Hunter Biden can do crack cocaine and engage in prostitution without consequence but an inner city man gets a prison sentence for the same thing, it's evil. If the United States can bomb 7 nations over 20 years without anybody complaining about it, but when Russia bombs Ukraine and is condemned by the world for it, that's evil.
I think hypocrisy is basically the definition of evil.
I think any evil can be traced by to hypocrisy. Dual standards are the basis for evil.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 5:01am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 5:01am
If you are looking at modern US society, it’s primarily leftists that are dominate and evil.
Just a simple premise, but leftists are entirely about government control of population. This is very different from liberals who want some government control for what they believe are altruistic intentions.
Leftists have no bounds on measures to gain that control. Richwicks partially hits on the root of the problem with the hypocrisy notion. I’d say it goes a bit further into value system. Simply put, for ardent leftists, there is no constant value system. Chief among this is truth. Leftists do not hold truth to be a value. So lying rapidly becomes second nature to them and you get ridiculous shit like feigning that one can’t define what a “woman” is.
In 1984, the truth was whatever the government decided it to be. It is truly sad that there are evil people in our society and government who decided that’s a good thing.
Just a simple premise, but leftists are entirely about government control of population. This is very different from liberals who want some government control for what they believe are altruistic intentions.
Leftists have no bounds on measures to gain that control. Richwicks partially hits on the root of the problem with the hypocrisy notion. I’d say it goes a bit further into value system. Simply put, for ardent leftists, there is no constant value system. Chief among this is truth. Leftists do not hold truth to be a value. So lying rapidly becomes second nature to them and you get ridiculous shit like feigning that one can’t define what a “woman” is.
In 1984, the truth was whatever the government decided it to be. It is truly sad that there are evil people in our society and government who decided that’s a good thing.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 5:05am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 5:05am
FJB says
I actually don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for men to understand. I knew I would be single for a lot of my adulthood and never had sex without a condom until I was 35, and that’s because the girlfriend at the time had a hysterectomy in her 20’s and couldn’t possibly get pregnant.
It’s not really difficult to look out for oneself.
PeopleUnited saysSome say abortion is evil, others say it is evil to limit the right to chose.
I've fucked well over 100 women. I was somewhere around 119 I think about 10 years ago when I still lived in the bay area. I lost count down here in SD.
Never once had to deal with an abortion.
Knocked a chick up in my 20s from Louisiana lol. Fortunately, "The Louisiana Fruit Fly", had a miscarriage or I would have been in a world of shit. Last count 7 baby daddies after me.
Pretty fucking evil killing helpless kids. Not to mention the shit the labs do with the parts.
I actually don’t understand why this is such a difficult concept for men to understand. I knew I would be single for a lot of my adulthood and never had sex without a condom until I was 35, and that’s because the girlfriend at the time had a hysterectomy in her 20’s and couldn’t possibly get pregnant.
It’s not really difficult to look out for oneself.
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gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 5:40am
gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 5:40am
FJB says
How did you do this? What's the secret?
PeopleUnited saysSome say abortion is evil, others say it is evil to limit the right to chose.
I've fucked well over 100 women. I was somewhere around 119 I think about 10 years ago when I still lived in the bay area. I lost count down here in SD.
Never once had to deal with an abortion.
Knocked a chick up in my 20s from Louisiana lol. Fortunately, "The Louisiana Fruit Fly", had a miscarriage or I would have been in a world of shit. Last count 7 baby daddies after me.
Pretty fucking evil killing helpless kids. Not to mention the shit the labs do with the parts.
How did you do this? What's the secret?
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BayArea
2022 Mar 29, 6:10am
BayArea
2022 Mar 29, 6:10am
Taking a 3% commission for a house that sells itself and pretending you added value is evil.
NAR is evil.
NAR is evil.
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gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 7:09am
gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 7:09am
BayArea says
Not only this. Real estate agents have no skin in the game. They provide a monopolistic unregulated platform for sale that sells home that provides taxes to elected officials so that they can fight their wars and accumulate wealth for themselves.
Taking a 3% commission for a house that sells itself and pretending you added value is evil.
NAR is evil.
Not only this. Real estate agents have no skin in the game. They provide a monopolistic unregulated platform for sale that sells home that provides taxes to elected officials so that they can fight their wars and accumulate wealth for themselves.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 7:50am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2022 Mar 29, 7:50am
richwicks says
I want to add something else to this. I’m an ISTJ personality type. The easiest way to get on my bad side is to be dishonest. It’s a hallmark of the sentinel personality types and I suspect of the logisticians as well. I’m guessing most pAt.net posters will fall into one of those two broad categories. Those personalities honor and respect tradition and history, even when they discover a better path.
This is opposite of the leftist who sees weakness in such things. To the point that Alinskys rules even advocate holding the enemy to their own rule book. By doing this, the leftist demoralizes the worker bees of a society. As an introvert, I’m not running a company or influencing large numbers of people. But I’m very good at taking care of my family and running an operation with fewer than 100 people. Break me and you asp partially break all those people. And that’s the goal of a leftist.
I'll give you a definition of evil.
Hypocrisy I think is one of the greatest evils. Having an undefined set of rules which are arbitrarily enforced is the foundation of evil. If it's evil for you to kill me, but acceptable for me to kill you, that's evil. If I can steal from you, but you cannot steal from me, that's evil. If a corporation can evade taxes legally but you cannot, that's evil. If a black man must sit on the back of the bus, but you can sit anywhere, that's evil. If Hillary Clinton can take home classified documents, place them on a computer that is unsecured, and allow people to buy access to that machine without consequence but Kristian Saucier cannot take a photograph of the interior or a sub, innocently, that's evil. If Hunter Biden can do crack cocaine and engage in prostitution without consequence but an inner city man gets a prison sentence for the same thing, it's evil. If the United States can bomb 7 nations over 20 years without anybody complaining...
I want to add something else to this. I’m an ISTJ personality type. The easiest way to get on my bad side is to be dishonest. It’s a hallmark of the sentinel personality types and I suspect of the logisticians as well. I’m guessing most pAt.net posters will fall into one of those two broad categories. Those personalities honor and respect tradition and history, even when they discover a better path.
This is opposite of the leftist who sees weakness in such things. To the point that Alinskys rules even advocate holding the enemy to their own rule book. By doing this, the leftist demoralizes the worker bees of a society. As an introvert, I’m not running a company or influencing large numbers of people. But I’m very good at taking care of my family and running an operation with fewer than 100 people. Break me and you asp partially break all those people. And that’s the goal of a leftist.
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Shaman
2022 Mar 29, 7:57am
Shaman
2022 Mar 29, 7:57am
richwicks says
Let me test out your theory with a hypothetical.
A man claims to be a great liar yet nearly always tells the truth, claims to be a dangerous man of violence but in actuality avoids conflict as much as he can. He claims to have screwed many women but actually hasn’t ever been with anyone but his wife.
That man is a hypocrite, but is he also evil?
I'll give you a definition of evil.
Hypocrisy I think is one of the greatest evils. Having an undefined set of rules which are arbitrarily enforced is the foundation of evil. If it's evil for you to kill me, but acceptable for me to kill you, that's evil. If I can steal from you, but you cannot steal from me, that's evil. If a corporation can evade taxes legally but you cannot, that's evil. If a black man must sit on the back of the bus, but you can sit anywhere, that's evil. If Hillary Clinton can take home classified documents, place them on a computer that is unsecured, and allow people to buy access to that machine without consequence but Kristian Saucier cannot take a photograph of the interior or a sub, innocently, that's evil. If Hunter Biden can do crack cocaine and engage in prostitution without consequence but an inner city man gets a prison sentence for the same thing, it's evil. If the United States can bomb 7 nations over 20 years without anybody complaining...
Let me test out your theory with a hypothetical.
A man claims to be a great liar yet nearly always tells the truth, claims to be a dangerous man of violence but in actuality avoids conflict as much as he can. He claims to have screwed many women but actually hasn’t ever been with anyone but his wife.
That man is a hypocrite, but is he also evil?
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richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 8:18am
richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 8:18am
Shaman says
No, he's not a hypocrite, he's a liar, and a rather odd one at that.
Let me give you an example:
A leader tells you that the path forward for the nation is to make peace, but instead he continually makes war
He tells you that government honesty and openness makes a great nation, but is corrupt, secretive, and has government lie as policy
He speaks out against drug use, infidelity, and homosexuality, but he's a meth user, and commonly gets male prostitutes
That's a hypocrite, and I would argue he's evil, and I know there are MANY politicians like that. Republicans were often like this in the 1990's and why so many people "on the left" hated them. Larry Craig was an example, and was destroyed as a result.
Now a Democrat who was honest was given more leeway. I mean, maybe the guy was a scumbag, but he didn't pretend to be anything different.
Here's an example of a hypocrite who I would argue is evil:
original link
Biden drastically increased the prison population by those policies he CLAIMED to support. Why isn't Hunter Biden in jail? Because our entire government is hypocritical - it's evil. Our government is simply evil.
Let me test out your theory with a hypothetical.
A man claims to be a great liar yet nearly always tells the truth, claims to be a dangerous man of violence but in actuality avoids conflict as much as he can. He claims to have screwed many women but actually hasn’t ever been with anyone but his wife.
That man is a hypocrite, but is he also evil?
No, he's not a hypocrite, he's a liar, and a rather odd one at that.
Let me give you an example:
A leader tells you that the path forward for the nation is to make peace, but instead he continually makes war
He tells you that government honesty and openness makes a great nation, but is corrupt, secretive, and has government lie as policy
He speaks out against drug use, infidelity, and homosexuality, but he's a meth user, and commonly gets male prostitutes
That's a hypocrite, and I would argue he's evil, and I know there are MANY politicians like that. Republicans were often like this in the 1990's and why so many people "on the left" hated them. Larry Craig was an example, and was destroyed as a result.
Now a Democrat who was honest was given more leeway. I mean, maybe the guy was a scumbag, but he didn't pretend to be anything different.
Here's an example of a hypocrite who I would argue is evil:
original link
Biden drastically increased the prison population by those policies he CLAIMED to support. Why isn't Hunter Biden in jail? Because our entire government is hypocritical - it's evil. Our government is simply evil.
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Shaman
2022 Mar 29, 9:05am
Shaman
2022 Mar 29, 9:05am
I’ll give you this that hypocrisy is a form of evil. But not that it’s the source of all evil. After all, a man who openly claims his evil deeds and promises more of the same is no less evil for being honest about it. Most people just use obfuscation because they have to. But others who feel protected from consequences are absolutely brazen about it. Like Hillary Clinton about her mail server or her smear of Trump as a Russian agent. She simply can’t be prosecuted so she doesn’t care.
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gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 10:24am
gabbar
2022 Mar 29, 10:24am
i recall seeing a video from a professor in some university in California about a decade back. He says that 6 million people were killed during the holocaust and our country has killed more than 6 million people since the holocaust. If his numbers are right, does anyone think that our country (the nation and the politicians, not the people) has an evil side?
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richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 2:59pm
richwicks
2022 Mar 29, 2:59pm
Shaman says
I'd argue he's less evil.
Let me put it this way, without hypocrisy and people's sheep-like willingness to believe in people's supposed good nature, our government wouldn't be 1/10th as evil as it is now.
When Obama got into office, and started doing the same fucking things Bush was doing I was disgusted, but when all my "moral and intelligent friends" then took to defending him? I realized I was just about entirely alone. First I thought I was judging him too harshly, then I thought maybe he's not as bad as I thought - but no, my friends just have no principles. Hardly anybody does. Propaganda controls 99% of the population but that's breaking down lately and I attribute that to Trump being president. He broke a lot of spells that were holding people hostage for decades.
gabbar says
Even if his numbers are wrong, I think our politicians don't just have an evil side, I wonder if they have a good side.
I also think that the snake rots from the head down, their evil rubs off on a lot of the population.
I’ll give you this that hypocrisy is a form of evil. But not that it’s the source of all evil. After all, a man who openly claims his evil deeds and promises more of the same is no less evil for being honest about it.
I'd argue he's less evil.
Let me put it this way, without hypocrisy and people's sheep-like willingness to believe in people's supposed good nature, our government wouldn't be 1/10th as evil as it is now.
When Obama got into office, and started doing the same fucking things Bush was doing I was disgusted, but when all my "moral and intelligent friends" then took to defending him? I realized I was just about entirely alone. First I thought I was judging him too harshly, then I thought maybe he's not as bad as I thought - but no, my friends just have no principles. Hardly anybody does. Propaganda controls 99% of the population but that's breaking down lately and I attribute that to Trump being president. He broke a lot of spells that were holding people hostage for decades.
gabbar says
If his numbers are right, does anyone think that our country (the nation and the politicians, not the people) has an evil side?
Even if his numbers are wrong, I think our politicians don't just have an evil side, I wonder if they have a good side.
I also think that the snake rots from the head down, their evil rubs off on a lot of the population.
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gabbar
2022 Mar 30, 3:39am
gabbar
2022 Mar 30, 3:39am
richwicks says
I agree. Whether its the government, corporation, religion or even a family, the rot begins from the top.
I also think that the snake rots from the head down, their evil rubs off on a lot of the population.
I agree. Whether its the government, corporation, religion or even a family, the rot begins from the top.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 8:30pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 8:30pm
EBGuy says
This is pretty good. But I will say that there are creative and frightening ways people have devised to do evil and as already posted: abortion, partial birth abortion and harvesting fetal tissue for live experimentation are examples of creative ways to be evil that most of us could not even imagine.
Evil can not create; it can only subvert.
This is pretty good. But I will say that there are creative and frightening ways people have devised to do evil and as already posted: abortion, partial birth abortion and harvesting fetal tissue for live experimentation are examples of creative ways to be evil that most of us could not even imagine.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Mar 30, 8:42pm
Evil is what turns one away from god, from word of god. i think scotus nominee is a liar, she didn’t want to answer and lied. and we know she was picked fir party loyalty reasons, not for ability or love for America.
i feel our ruling class is evil, they are promoting all this tranny and fag shit to kids. because they know kuds can be molded. its sickening.
i feel our ruling class is evil, they are promoting all this tranny and fag shit to kids. because they know kuds can be molded. its sickening.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 8:54pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 8:54pm
Patrick says
Hmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
Patrick says
I’m not sure I follow unless again you are arguing for relativism?
Here is how I see it. Everyone is both guilty of and capable of doing evil, teaching others to do evil, and permitting/allowing others to do evil. So to an extent everyone is evil. And evil is an absolute, it is not relative to anything else. But it is circumstantial, that is to say while it may be evil to lie, if you lie in order to prevent a greater injustice or a greater evil, then the lesser of two evils is still the righteous choice.
Patrick says
Can you elaborate on this?
Patrick says
This quotation is practically a paraphrase of Biblical teaching.
Good and evil are relationships. Good and evil do not exist unless others exist.
Hmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
Patrick says
There are no evil people distinctly separate from everyone else.
I’m not sure I follow unless again you are arguing for relativism?
Here is how I see it. Everyone is both guilty of and capable of doing evil, teaching others to do evil, and permitting/allowing others to do evil. So to an extent everyone is evil. And evil is an absolute, it is not relative to anything else. But it is circumstantial, that is to say while it may be evil to lie, if you lie in order to prevent a greater injustice or a greater evil, then the lesser of two evils is still the righteous choice.
Patrick says
Yet some people are better than others.
Can you elaborate on this?
Patrick says
"If only it were all so simple. If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?" - Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn
This quotation is practically a paraphrase of Biblical teaching.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Mar 30, 9:04pm
PeopleUnited says
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
Hmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 9:06pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 9:06pm
Shaman says
Agreed. Hypocrisy also comes in many forms. There are the actors who play a part but they know they are just pretending and putting on a show, they are lying to the world. And then there are those who are hypocrites that sincerely believe they are not hypocrites, they are lying to themselves. So at its core hypocrisy is deception either deceiving one’s self or deceiving others, and both are evil. And the reason deception is so evil is because it gets on the way of the most important thing a person can do, which is to learn and practice what is true. There are many evils in this world but perhaps the greatest evil of all is to deny the truth.
I’ll give you this that hypocrisy is a form of evil. But not that it’s the source of all evil. After all, a man who openly claims his evil deeds and promises more of the same is no less evil for being honest about it. Most people just use obfuscation because they have to. But others who feel protected from consequences are absolutely brazen about it. Like Hillary Clinton about her mail server or her smear of Trump as a Russian agent. She simply can’t be prosecuted so she doesn’t care.
Agreed. Hypocrisy also comes in many forms. There are the actors who play a part but they know they are just pretending and putting on a show, they are lying to the world. And then there are those who are hypocrites that sincerely believe they are not hypocrites, they are lying to themselves. So at its core hypocrisy is deception either deceiving one’s self or deceiving others, and both are evil. And the reason deception is so evil is because it gets on the way of the most important thing a person can do, which is to learn and practice what is true. There are many evils in this world but perhaps the greatest evil of all is to deny the truth.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 9:08pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 30, 9:08pm
Fortwaynemobile says
I agree we need to know the context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant? And while I agree with the argument that the existence of evil is proof that there also exists good, I hope no one is suggesting that we evaluate good and evil by comparing one person to another, or use a bell curve or some other relativistic measure. That is just self deception.
PeopleUnited saysHmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
I agree we need to know the context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant? And while I agree with the argument that the existence of evil is proof that there also exists good, I hope no one is suggesting that we evaluate good and evil by comparing one person to another, or use a bell curve or some other relativistic measure. That is just self deception.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Mar 30, 9:21pm
PeopleUnited says
i don’t remember too well, where it cane from. but someone like philosopher or Jesus was asked what makes good a good. and a pretty good answer was that god makes it good, but logic behind that i no longer recall. ill look it up
Fortwaynemobile saysPeopleUnited saysHmm not sure that this makes sense to me are you attempting to argue for relativism?
i think Pat has a point. hiw would something be good if we had no frame of reference? what makes good the good and evil the evil? its an interesting and complex topic
I agree we need context in order understand or judge between good and evil. Maybe that is what he meant?
i don’t remember too well, where it cane from. but someone like philosopher or Jesus was asked what makes good a good. and a pretty good answer was that god makes it good, but logic behind that i no longer recall. ill look it up
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 4:47am
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 4:47am
Fortwaynemobile says
What if evil is the act of turning away from God, do you see the difference?
Evil is what turns one away from god, from word of god
What if evil is the act of turning away from God, do you see the difference?
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 9:53am
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 9:53am
Don’t hurt yourself kid.
God gave everyone free will. What we do with it determines who we are, not what He is.
God gave everyone free will. What we do with it determines who we are, not what He is.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 31, 10:03am
fdhfoiehfeoi
2022 Mar 31, 10:03am
Choice is such a profound and integral part of this world. Even in Christian circles it's not well understood or taught. Only with choice can we experience love beyond all understanding. And unfortunately only with choice is evil possible that shakes us to our core.
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BoomAndBustCycle
2022 Mar 31, 5:11pm
What color shirt I wear in the morning is of the same significance as if I slaughter a 1000 people in terms of the scale of universe. Either act is insignificant to the aliens living 1 million light years away.
Our level of evolution might be as simple as an ant in comparison to other living beings light years away. We don’t really go around thinking about ant wars and ant genocide on a daily basis. But these things happen everyday.
Our level of evolution might be as simple as an ant in comparison to other living beings light years away. We don’t really go around thinking about ant wars and ant genocide on a daily basis. But these things happen everyday.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 8:07pm
PeopleUnited
2022 Mar 31, 8:07pm
BoomAndBustCycle says
When you have explored the universe or read the work of the engineer, then you might be qualified to speak with such authority. Until then, I call bullshit and ask for the evidence.
From my perspective the wars of ants are highly significant and play a major role in shaping thIs world. (And let me remind you there is no evidence of life outside this planet let alone this solar system) Not that ants are capable of evil, but they are capable of altering the ecosystem and perhaps by extrapolation other aspects of the environment from vegetation to animal life.
But maybe you are right, so what’s it going to be: the brown shirt or the massacre for you? And more importantly why are you making the choices you make? That is really what this thread is about.
What color shirt I wear in the morning is of the same significance as if I slaughter a 1000 people in terms of the scale of universe.
When you have explored the universe or read the work of the engineer, then you might be qualified to speak with such authority. Until then, I call bullshit and ask for the evidence.
From my perspective the wars of ants are highly significant and play a major role in shaping thIs world. (And let me remind you there is no evidence of life outside this planet let alone this solar system) Not that ants are capable of evil, but they are capable of altering the ecosystem and perhaps by extrapolation other aspects of the environment from vegetation to animal life.
But maybe you are right, so what’s it going to be: the brown shirt or the massacre for you? And more importantly why are you making the choices you make? That is really what this thread is about.
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PeopleUnited
2022 Apr 2, 5:08am
PeopleUnited
2022 Apr 2, 5:08am
Perspective: Thanks to Vladimir Putin, it’s OK to talk about good and evil again
Moral relativism has temporarily collapsed in the matter of Russia’s assault on Ukraine
https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/3/22958896/perspective-the-return-of-evil-in-political-discourse-putin-russia-ukraine-good-place-michael-schur?source=patrick.net
The problem is that while Putin may be evil, Zelensky may also be equally evil.
But you wouldn’t know that if you listen to the great political minds of the world.
From the article above: “This is one of the greatest demonstrations of good versus evil we’ve seen in our lifetime,” Utah Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday on CNN. Australian diplomat Joe Hockey said Vladimir Putin has “evil in his heart.” Ireland’s prime minister, Micheál Martin, called Putin an “evil dictator.” At the same time, mentions of Russia as an “evil empire” — Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union — have ticked up across the internet.
In short, the concept of evil as a real and malign entity has roared back into the mainstream. This is bad news for proponents of moral relativism, the idea that there is no right and wrong, only differences in how people see and experience the world.
But interestingly, according to YouGov, “Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to say Putin is evil.”
Unfortunately the powers that be have unleashed a false dichotomy on the world to goad us into promoting a needless war in Eastern Europe.
Moral relativism has temporarily collapsed in the matter of Russia’s assault on Ukraine
https://www.deseret.com/2022/3/3/22958896/perspective-the-return-of-evil-in-political-discourse-putin-russia-ukraine-good-place-michael-schur?source=patrick.net
The problem is that while Putin may be evil, Zelensky may also be equally evil.
But you wouldn’t know that if you listen to the great political minds of the world.
From the article above: “This is one of the greatest demonstrations of good versus evil we’ve seen in our lifetime,” Utah Sen. Mitt Romney said Sunday on CNN. Australian diplomat Joe Hockey said Vladimir Putin has “evil in his heart.” Ireland’s prime minister, Micheál Martin, called Putin an “evil dictator.” At the same time, mentions of Russia as an “evil empire” — Ronald Reagan’s description of the Soviet Union — have ticked up across the internet.
In short, the concept of evil as a real and malign entity has roared back into the mainstream. This is bad news for proponents of moral relativism, the idea that there is no right and wrong, only differences in how people see and experience the world.
But interestingly, according to YouGov, “Democrats and Republicans are equally likely to say Putin is evil.”
Unfortunately the powers that be have unleashed a false dichotomy on the world to goad us into promoting a needless war in Eastern Europe.
Now to be clear, I’m not saying women are evil, nor that ignorance is evil. But false testimony is certainly evil and so her performance was a clear representation of the fact that she is under the influence of evil, if not wholly given over to that evil.
But it got me thinking, if we live in a world where Supreme Court nominees are giving false testimony (she knows damn well what a women is and therefore she is a liar of the most despicable type, lying about a universally known truth) and not dismissed immediately for their false testimony, then what other perversions are accepted in our culture? And in fact, if giving false testimony is acceptable, has the concept of evil lost its meaning just like the rainbow?
For those ignorant of the meaning of the rainbow, look it up. But we cannot continue as a nation or even as a species if we cannot define and reasonably agree on what evil is. Read the Declaration of Independence and our other founding documents and you will see evil defined, not like a dictionary definition but rather a clear set of shared values, things permitted and things prohibited in the interest of preserving life, liberty, and property.
But over time, indoctrination has changed peoples perception and understanding of what evil is, to the point that what was once universally understood as evil is now celebrated, and what was once valued as good is reviled.
Is anyone else noticing this? Is anyone even able to distinguish between good and evil anymore, and if not how can we continue as a culture or society?
What is evil? Can anyone give a reasonable defense and definition of the concept? Can you give real world examples? Who has wisdom here?
This is a challenge to anyone to speak to one of the most basic concepts of humanity. The concept of evil, what it is, what it isn’t, where it comes from is wrapped up in what it means to be a human and without the concept of evil I would argue that there can be no culture and no hope for the future. Without the concept of evil there is no need for society or culture or life itself because without evil, there is nothing wrong, nothing to weep over, and nothing to defend yourself or your society against. And if there is no definition of evil why do we need rules, wars, or judges? We need to get the concept of evil right or we are doomed.
Don’t you agree?