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I remember Johnny Carson saying:

"Pick 100 people in this room - 99 can handle failure - only one can handle success."

Demi Lovato isn't a failure, but she didn't know how to handle success, IMHO.

BayArea says

She was a gem before going woke

Big bottom.

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

I don't even find the before photo attractive to be honest. You can see in the arms and thighs where this was going regardless of any drug use.

Women that aren't working out almost daily for a good hour will eventually get fat. Diet be damned. I know a few girls that could eat burgers and shit foot for 2 decades, were rail thin and when they hit early 30's they started ballooning up because they didn't work out. Genetic thinness always goes away. Always.

I'll say this though. Whether for business or music, the road can be tough. It's not for everybody. When my wife travels she tries to run every morning. Freaks me out because it can be an unfamiliar place and there are shit heads out there that will assault you.

But back to my original thought, when you're up until 2-3am, even if not partying, it's extremely difficult to stay healthy if you're in her business. To stay thin for her would probably need 2 hours a day of working out. Difficult if you're on a bus or airplane all the time. People do it, but for some it's not a sustainable lifestyle with their genetics.

WineHorror1 says

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

Lol. I was typing my comment before seeing this. Bingo. The before photo you could see the end result already. There are toned gluts and there are ones that expand with age if you don't do upkeep. She didn't do upkeep for whatever reason.

She’s had a number of mental health and drug issues.

I’m not sure why people with so much money can’t properly receive the treatment they need. She’s an absolute mess.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

She’s had a number of mental health and drug issues.

I’m not sure why people with so much money can’t properly receive the treatment they need. She’s an absolute mess.

Not excusing addiction, and not trying to be a dick, but until you personally experience it you won't have a clue. Something as simple as smoking cigarettes took me a decade to quit. You don't just snap a finger and it goes away. Money can't fix it either.

One thing I'd say you could change is who you hang out with. That was my solution and it worked. Not blaming them, it was me making the choice, but have neighbors we'd hang in the garage and drink and smoke. Chain smoking style. It was fun, but had kids and my oldest was picking up on it at about 4-5 years old. That was the trigger for me and I literally stopped hanging out with them for 3 years.

We're still friends and starting to hang out again. My cravings are 100% gone. Time away from the vice is key. It's hard to get there though if the people around you are doing what you thought you enjoyed. It's okay to be direct and say you cannot be around someone because their behavior. If they're true friends they'll respect that. If they don't respect that then the answer is staring you in the face and you might need new friends. My guess is bad friends and an addictive personality. You have to adjust yourself and realize you might have bad people around you if they don't show concern. Like I said, for me it was my kid and then I backed it out and looked at it from his prospective.

Kids are the best truth tellers when it comes to what they see in adults. They will lie about their own shenanigans though. Little shits.

Some of you guys are brutal lol

Nothing wrong with a big bottom. Womyn with small bottoms, esp. if they don't have tits as well, remind one of men imo. But they have to keep reasonably fit. They don't have to work out each day, just house work and dealing with the kids will keep you fit. Our parents and grandparents generations never hit the gyms and had no problems staying in shape, bottom and tits or not. There may be a genetic component to Hispanic, Latin, middle eastern and southern European womyn though to get bigger with age, moreso than for other ethnicities

Big bottoms are preferred… as long as woman is not obese.

BayArea says

Some of you guys are brutal lol

I'd say honest. If you're talking lifetime wife material, huge tits and huge asses don't age well. I'd still like to have some decent sex when I'm 60 and not grossed out by my partners tits touching her thighs and ass full of cellulite and fat.

While not the perfect body of a 19 year old, my wife takes care of herself and is pretty damn hot. I'm the winner in our relationship if we're talking looks. Although if I can get down to 200 or even 190, look out ladies. Gotta have some ego, but I do look pretty good when I'm thinner and toned.

My nose is my biggest beef with my body though I really don't care to do anything about it and never will. Won't lie in that it's partially the reason I don't drink wine... the fucking glass radius is too small for my nose. It's not obscenely large, just an annoyance. Fits my overall face though I think.

WineHorror1 says

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

It's omega-3s!

WookieMan says

WineHorror1 says

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

Lol. I was typing my comment before seeing this. Bingo. The before photo you could see the end result already. There are toned gluts and there are ones that expand with age if you don't do upkeep. She didn't do upkeep for whatever reason.

Beautiful face for sure but, yes, you could see where she was going to end up.

WookieMan says

While not the perfect body of a 19 year old, my wife takes care of herself and is pretty damn hot.

My wife is 52 and I'm not complaining about her looks. And she's slim.

WineHorror1 says

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

Big asses, blech. Small to medium are okay. I honestly prefer a flat ass to a Hottentot Twerking Disgusting Omega-3 Ass. I don't even like 100 squats a day muscular asses, I want to fuck a chick, not some gal whose backside resembles a quarterback like Refigerator Perry.

Tits are great, and I love hangers, C through J cups.

One of the great life wisdoms:

Don’t get fat. It’s absolutely imperative.


I was at a restaurant in Richmond CA about 10yrs ago. A skinny guy walks in with a shirt that reads “nothing tastes as good as skinny feels”

So true

WineHorror1 says

Beautiful face for sure

Disagree there. Take off the clown paste and she's below average.

My wife doesn't wear makeup outside of a big event like a wedding or gala (and I can't stand it then, but she still looks hot). I can promise you her face in the before photo is awful without the makeup. 100%. Fake eyebrows, lashes and her face is painted. Sorry, not attractive at all. Cut the head off in the after photo/hair ignoring the body, still wearing makeup and the face looks like shit. She's not naturally attractive, never was.

AmericanKulak says

WineHorror1 says

Big bottom girls are gross. It's lard.

Big asses, blech. Small to medium are okay. I honestly prefer a flat ass to a Hottentot Twerking Disgusting Omega-3 Ass. I don't even like 100 squats a day muscular asses, I want to fuck a chick, not some gal whose backside resembles a quarterback like Refigerator Perry.

Tits are great, and I love hangers, C through J cups.

well what is considered today a big ass is obese in reality. You usually get tits with ass. Her ass is perfectly fine in the first picture, not so much in the 2nd. Lot of additional hip fat, no curve anymore.

mell says

Her ass is perfectly fine in the first picture, not so much in the 2nd. Lot of additional hip fat, no curve anymore.

Eh, will disagree. Those leggings are compressing her fat by 1/2" on each side. She's bigger than the before photo makes her look. That's why they make higher leggings like that above the belly button. Pull those down and some stuff is gonna come out of them.

There's a reason "yoga" pants are so popular. Slims your shape and figure but also makes your ass look better. Pull them off and I can promise you the before photo you'll be like "all that was in there?"

Women also have the advantage of tits to make them look thinner in the middle even though they may not be. Put an A cup on her and she'd look like a tank even at a healthy weight. It's why women have so many body issues.

The ass is perfectly proportional to her tits, fat only in the right places, I would give the first pic a 7-8, an 8 if it weren't for the accentuated thick eyebrows which has been a trend now for years. Gives a klingon-like look to otherwise perfectly feminine faces. Need big tits, maybe not as big as Rin, but a handful is necessary minimum, and I have big hands. Nothing against the slimmer lanky tall type as long as there are tits and a butt shape quite more pronounced than a man, aka birthing hips.

Al_Sharpton_for_President says

Big bottom.

As Spinal Tap sang: "How could I leave this behind?"

WookieMan says

WineHorror1 says

Beautiful face for sure

Disagree there. Take off the clown paste and she's below average.

My wife doesn't wear makeup outside of a big event like a wedding or gala (and I can't stand it then, but she still looks hot). I can promise you her face in the before photo is awful without the makeup. 100%. Fake eyebrows, lashes and her face is painted. Sorry, not attractive at all. Cut the head off in the after photo/hair ignoring the body, still wearing makeup and the face looks like shit. She's not naturally attractive, never was.

You "could" be right but, her facial structure looks as though she would still be attractive.

WookieMan says

Eh, will disagree. Those leggings are compressing her fat by 1/2" on each side. She's bigger than the before photo makes her look.

I agree. Even in the first photo she's a fatass.

Well she's 5'3". You'd need a couple of inches to change her inherent genetic shape. Cross breeding with a tall northern European could work. Not 100% my type, but pic 1 still beats 70% of wommynz out there. Maybe these daze 80%. Minus the browz

Bunch of guys breaking apart a beautiful woman (formerly at least), come on.

mell says

Well she's 5'3". You'd need a couple of inches to change her inherent genetic shape.

My wife is 5'1". She is not shaped like a pear.

BayArea says

Bunch of guys breaking apart a beautiful woman (formerly at least), come on.

She was pretty. Great head of hair also. But, come on, take a look at those thunder thighs.

WineHorror1 says

mell says

Well she's 5'3". You'd need a couple of inches to change her inherent genetic shape.

My wife is 5'1". She is not shaped like a pear.

Is she Hispanic/Mediterranean? They can maintain a very slim body but it requires a strict diet, exercise and no overeating. I maintain Demi is fit in the first pic.

mell says

WineHorror1 says

mell says

Well she's 5'3". You'd need a couple of inches to change her inherent genetic shape.

My wife is 5'1". She is not shaped like a pear.

Is she Hispanic/Mediterranean? They can maintain a very slim body but it requires a strict diet, exercise and no overeating. I maintain Demi is fit in the first pic.

Mostly Scottish and Irish.

I saw her on some tv show where they talk to "ghosts" using equipment etc...

shes pretty gone mentally. poor vulnerable girl got sucked into wokeism via all the hollywood industry exposure.

WineHorror1 says

mell says

WineHorror1 says

mell says

Well she's 5'3". You'd need a couple of inches to change her inherent genetic shape.

My wife is 5'1". She is not shaped like a pear.

Is she Hispanic/Mediterranean? They can maintain a very slim body but it requires a strict diet, exercise and no overeating. I maintain Demi is fit in the first pic.

Mostly Scottish and Irish.

Wife is 5'7 Irish American, it's a different, less bottom heavy build regardless of weight

"Demi Lovato has said she had three strokes and a heart attack after a drug overdose in 2018, and that doctors told her she had been minutes from death.Feb 18, 2021"
Who knows how much of her slimness was from drug abuse. She's just happy to be alive, fuck the fat.

I've been a bit harsh about this. I'll just say, I don't understand how we went from slim is beautiful and healthy to "Damn, that girl got a phat ass".

WineHorror1 says

I've been a bit harsh about this. I'll just say, I don't understand how we went from slim is beautiful and healthy to "Damn, that girl got a phat ass".

IMO black culture. They LOVE those enormous asses, and black culture is pretty influential in lots of music genres young people listen too, and so I think their music videos and stuff kinda promotes the "enormous ass = good, even if u fat". I think its also a reason why heavy white women seem to pair up with black men so much - everyone else rejects their fat ass, but black men love it cause its big.

Lowered expectations I think also contributes. Americans are fucking fat asses now, and slim people are uncommon, and a slim fit women is even more out of reach for many men due to her rarity. So men say mitigating things like "I want some meat on them bones" instead of "I like slim women better, but I can only mack a pudgy one." for the same reasons people say that theyre happy, or they love their job, when they really dont. Basically they settle and then lie to pretend they got their ideal.

Exactly. It's also a lot of the reason behind Healthy At Any Size.

I've seen people turn demonic when criticized about the Obesity is healthy shit, on a forum that has nothing to do with politics, and then temper tantrum and flounce.

Real beauty. No lard.

That's an inspired photo. Waves in front of waves.

The Wikipedia is probably right about Demi, since the article is not locked. The corrupted articles are all locked.

In mid-1994, shortly after Lovato's second birthday, their parents divorced.[13] Their father was of Mexican descent, with mostly Spanish and Native American ancestors, and came from a family that had been living in New Mexico for generations; he also had distant Portuguese and Jewish ancestry.[14][15] Their mother is of English and Irish descent.

Patrick says

The Wikipedia is probably right about this at least, since the article is not locked. The corrupted articles are all locked.

In mid-1994, shortly after Lovato's second birthday, their parents divorced.[13] Their father was of Mexican descent, with mostly Spanish and Native American ancestors, and came from a family that had been living in New Mexico for generations; he also had distant Portuguese and Jewish ancestry.[14][15] Their mother is of English and Irish descent.

Daddy abandonment issues, bullimia, cocaine, and sexual molestation issues - what could go wrong?

Lard.