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mostly reader says

The original quote was that Biden administration allows Zelensky to "play for a tie" rather than win, i.e. that Biden administration is not doing enough - https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

This is the original quote:

But I'm more concerned about how much of it's breaking, how is it being used tactically and how we can help them. I think the biggest point, though, is Zelenskyy feels like he is losing slowly, that the Biden administration is basically helping him play for a tie.

At least Zelenskyy isn't delusional, just enormously corrupt.

richwicks says

At least Zelenskyy isn't delusional, just enormously corrupt.

Ultracrepidarian to the rescue? Nice diversion, but you didn't comment on "pay for the noose". Because that's where ASB crapped their pants, and that's the part which I called out. They changed the meaning of Waltz's words to their opposite.

I can only raise a brow when I learn of an English speaker getting news from poor-ass bi-directional translation performed by a propaganda channel.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

At least Zelenskyy isn't delusional, just enormously corrupt.

Ultracrepidarian to the rescue? Nice diversion, but you didn't comment on "pay for the noose". Because that's where ASB crapped their pants, and that's the part which I called out. They changed the meaning of Waltz's words to their opposite.

I don't care what ASB said. I cared (well slightly) what Mike Waltz - not your characterization - of what he said. Your characterization was:

mostly reader says

The original quote was that Biden administration allows Zelensky to "play for a tie" rather than win, i.e. that Biden administration is not doing enough - https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

What was actually said was:

From the article Putin 'will not stop' at Ukraine: Mike Waltz

But I'm more concerned about how much of it's breaking, how is it being used tactically and how we can help them. I think the biggest point, though, is Zelenskyy feels like he is losing slowly, that the Biden administration is basically helping him play for a tie.

I consider you intentionally dishonest and deceptive at this point. This conflict if it's like all the other conflicts the US has been in, is more about laundering money, stealing resources, impoverishing the US taxpayer, causing inflation, and using blood to cover that up, and it is about winning. The people that control the US government don't care about winning any war, they care about prolonging it as long as possible since that is lucrative. The longer it goes on, the more money that is stolen and laundered.

mostly reader says

I can only raise a brow when I learn of an English speaker getting news from poor-ass bi-directional translation performed by a propaganda channel.

You just bitch and moan that people don't pull water for the US military industrial complex. That's all you do.

richwicks says

I consider you intentionally dishonest and deceptive at this point.

You throw yourself into my assessment of ASB, attempt diversion, get corrected, and then, once corrected, claim that my point (about ASB) wasn't interesting to you in the first place (which didn't stop you from jumping into the conversation). You are a loudmouth who doesn't even know what he responds to, who the fuck cares what you think?? Is it your dishonesty, or stupidity, or both - it doesn't really matter. Everything, and I mean everything that you say should be either outright dismissed or at the very least subjected to extra scrutiny.

richwicks says

What was actually said was:

You little liar you. I'll explain.

There was a reason why I pulled out a little snippet from that interview. My context was ASB making shit up, and for that context this little snippet was enough. It did the job, and it didn't change the meaning.

You, on the other hand, change the context. For that new context, the snippet that you suggest is way insufficient and somewhat misleading (along with underlines of your choosing). Just one of the techniques of propaganda trolls. What did you NOT mention? You didn't mention that the entire piece is titled "Putin 'will not stop' at Ukraine" (with which I agree), and that his message is - Putin is a problem, Biden administration should be doing more. Watch the fucking video. It's less than a minute long https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

mostly reader says

You little liar you. I'll explain.

No you won't. I just pointed out that you will mischaracterize what somebody says, instead of just quoting them. That's why I quoted Mike Waltz and demonstrated it didn't match with what you CLAIMED he said.

I've long ago determined you're not worthy of taking seriously, but I'll point out when you're trying to deceive other posters here. Nobody should trust what you say. Nobody should pay attention to what you say. You're deceptive.

richwicks says

No you won't.

I just did. Not to mention - anyone who decides to spend less than a minute and watch the video knows that you are full of shit.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

Hey, you wouldn't happen to work for/with ASB Military, would you? The styles are somewhat similar.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

No you won't.

I just did.

No, you didn't.

You went to drone on with:

mostly reader says

There was a reason why I pulled out a little snippet from that interview. My context was ASB making shit up, and for that context this little snippet was enough. It did the job, and it didn't change the meaning.

Where I previously said:

richwicks says

I don't care what ASB said.

It's irrelevant. I'm simply pointing out the difference between what you claimed Mike Waltz said, and what he actually said.

I'm not doing it to demonstrate that you made a "mistake" so you could correct it, I did it to demonstrate to other people you engage in purpose deception knowing full well you would never correct it, knowing you'd double down on it. And you'll triple down, and quadruple down.

You aren't worth taking seriously. You are complete waste of time and the only reason I'm writing this, is so that any hapless reader reading this, will be able to learn from my mistake, I mistakenly treated you like a rational, thinking adult. It took me several months to see how purposeless that was.

richwicks says

I don't care what ASB said.

You were responding to a post of which main point was what ASB said. Were you that stupid to not understand that? Each time that I think "this guy can't get any dumber", you prove me wrong.

There is a reason why one of us (me) keeps posting that link to the source, the actual video: https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz
While the other one (you) tries to bury it under piles of self-produced horseshit.

mostly reader says

richwicks says

I don't care what ASB said.

You were responding to a post of which main point was what ASB said.

No, I was responding to you to specifically point out the exact quote. I never mentioned ASB, and I have repeatedly said I don't care about it, or know anything about it.

I only responded to demonstrate that what you claimed the quote was, and what the actual quote was, were different. I did it only to point out your dishonesty.

mostly reader says

There is a reason why one of us (me) keeps posting that link to the source, the actual video: https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

I have referenced it multiple times and included the actual quote from Mike Waltz.

I'm doing this exclusively to demonstrate your blatant and habitual dishonesty.

richwicks says

I'm doing this exclusively to demonstrate your blatant and habitual dishonesty.

you have been learning from ultra-left. Whatever you yourself are guilty of - blame others. But you haven't been learning well enough. Keeping a discussion around the point which destroys you is an amateur mistake. So I will just leave the link here again, because it destroys you better than I need to.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/putin-stop-ukraine-representative-mike-waltz

An underestimated part of the message is were he talks about "snooze button", how Putin will want to push snooze button at some point and how we shouldn't allow him to do that, and why. Of course you will want to pile more horseshit to mute that part!

Special thanks to @Ceffer because without him I wouldn't have found it. It's probably not the effect that he expected, but thanks all the same.

mostly reader says

you have been learning from ultra-left.

left and right is a false dichotomy. It's two teams for idiots to blindly join. There is not central platform of either the "left" or the "right". The supposed position on the role of government, the morality of war, the foundation of free speech, the place of religion, etc, is entirely arbitrary and changes from decade to decade within the "left" and "right".

They are meaningless terms and they exist ONLY to get idiots to fight one another because the "enemy" is on the "other side".

What you just attempted is called a "high ground maneuver". C- for trying.

Only C- - because I clearly wasnt' talking about "decades ago" or in some perpetuity. I was talking about today. The concept of ultra-left today is very valid and well understood.

mostly reader says

What you just attempted is called a "high ground maneuver". C- for trying.

Again, this conversation serves no purpose so I'm ending it.

HunterTits says

richwicks says

Again, this conversation serves no purpose so I'm ending it.

That's a pattern with you when people insist upon you being held accountable for your bullshit.

It's a pattern I'm developing of ignoring you. I'm trying to get better at it. I trust other posters to make reasonable conclusions.

richwicks says

mostly reader says

What you just attempted is called a "high ground maneuver". C- for trying.

Again, this conversation serves no purpose so I'm ending it.

You should've never contributed to a topic of which you have neither education not understanding.

mostly reader says

You should've never contributed to a topic of which you have neither education not understanding.

Contributed? You constantly make this claim that you "contribute" but consistently show no knowledge or ability to educate. If you can, demonstrate you can.

For once, demonstrate you have some actual knowledge on this subject. You criticize me constantly, but you never correct me.

HunterTits says

At least it is heterosexual.

How dare you presume gender!

Ceffer says

HunterTits says

At least it is heterosexual.

How dare you presume gender!

Gotta take the small victories where they appear.

Right, that could be a man-vagina these days.

richwicks says

Again, this conversation serves no purpose so I'm ending it.

Aaaaand...

richwicks says

You criticize me constantly, but you never correct me.

You are confused. "I don't correct you" and " you don't understand that you've been corrected" are two different things.

Of simpler concepts, you are also confused about what it means to "end a conversation"

mostly reader says

You are confused. "I don't correct you"

Yes, I know. That's what I'm complaining about. You insult me, your criticize me, you rail against me, but you NEVER provide a basis for what, laughably, would be considered "your thinking".

So, I don't treat you seriously or give you any due consideration.

9,450 Euros for a chair set? It better come with a motor.

richwicks says

mostly reader says

You are confused. "I don't correct you"

Yes, I know. That's what I'm complaining about. You insult me, your criticize me, you rail against me, but you NEVER provide a basis for what, laughably, would be considered "your thinking".

So, I don't treat you seriously or give you any due consideration.

Ehh.. cry me a river?

You obviously didn't understand the meaning of my statement. Either that, or you intentionally pulled a part of it out of context, changing it's meaning to the opposite. Either option is quite fitting for the meaningless bullshitter that you are.

HeadSet says

9,450 Euros for a chair set? It better come with a motor.

It obviously doesn't - just look at the frowns of those bitches.

mostly reader says

You obviously didn't understand the meaning of my statement. Either that, or you intentionally pulled a part of it out of context, changing it's meaning to the opposite. Either option is quite fitting for the meaningless bullshitter that you are.

I'm going to be as direct as possible. Unless you have some reason for me to change my mind, this is just a pointless argument.

I can change my mind, but not by having some screaming asshole telling me I should change my mind. Give me information. If you have reason to believe that I'm wrong, explain how I'm wrong, and explain what is correct and why.

My position is simply that Russia will eventually win the war against Ukraine. This has no moral point of view. My position is that the US overthrew Ukraine's government in 2014, this is not debatable because Victoria Nuland picked the new leader, denying this is just utter stupidity, it's just obedience to the state even when the state is OBVIOUSLY lying. You see 3 fingers when there are 4 or 5 fingers, whatever the state tells you to see. Morality has nothing to do with this conflict.

I'm pissed off the US (government, my TRAITOROUS government) involved themselves with this, it's my OPINION that the US is trying to compete against Russia to supply Europe with energy, and from the point of view of those assholes, this war is great because it gives them a tremendous opportunity to supply energy since Europe is cutting their own throat by cutting off Russian energy supplies.

My government doesn't give a FUCK if every single Ukrainian dies in this war, that's my opinion. They don't care if Europeans freeze in their homes this coming winter. There's no possibility, whatsoever, the US will be able to supply Europe with enough energy to keep people from freezing to death either in my opinion, the assholes that ruin my nation don't care. More profit. People will pay any amount of money when they are desperate. They are purposely creating desperation.

Now this is going to fucking cost a shit-ton of money, but US taxpayers will pay for it, the assholes that ruin (I mean run) my nation don't give a fuck, they are well positioned sending "freedom gas" to Europe and they have spent 20 years at war in the Middle East to secure energy.

That's all this war is about, economic competition, by thugs. The main goal of the US is to prevent Russia from exporting energy to Europe. Really, in a way, the US (government) is fucking over Europe (and US citizens as our energy prices will go up), Russia, they'll just continue to sell their energy to India and China and make them more competitive against the west being able to produce goods at a lower price. Europe will be the big loser in this, but they're run by CIA controlled traitors, they don't care either. Why do you think Angela Merkel didn't do shit when it was discovered O-Bomb-A was tapping her phone? Communist fucking cunt from East Germany doesn't care. Fucking sell out traitor scumbag childless whore.

I can appreciate you MAY have a stake in the outcome of this stupid fucking war. That won't change the outcome of it, and the US government doesn't give 1/10th of a shit about how many people die in this war. The complete extermination of Ukrainians, that's profitable to them.

LoL! First rule of Liar's Club: Tell everybody you aren't a liar, it's your first and most important lie.

https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/28149

richwicks says

My position is simply that Russia will eventually win the war against Ukraine.

Thanks. Knowing the quality of your predictive powers (which suck bigly) I'm now less worried about Ukraine.

mostlyreader has obviously not read "War is a Racket."

something something horses water . . .

mostly reader says

richwicks says

My position is simply that Russia will eventually win the war against Ukraine.

Thanks. Knowing the quality of your predictive powers (which suck bigly) I'm now less worried about Ukraine.

This is another thoughtless response produced with no effort.

Can you explain? Demonstrate you have any knowledge at all. What do you expect to happen? What is the purpose of this war from the perspective of the United States government? Why is there support for Ukraine? What is the conflict between the United States and Russia?

Can you explain any of your "thinking"? I'd like to hear your thinking, if you have any. Perhaps I'm incorrect in my thinking, but since you've offered no input in 5 months, I cannot tell.

stereotomy says

mostlyreader has obviously not read "War is a Racket."

something something horses water . . .

I think he's just working for a PR agency. His job is to promote a point of view, and to shout down the opposite point of view, it's based on psychology and not reasoning. The expectation is that who they are attacking will withdraw or fight back against insults after enough are thrown at them. They will not engage in reasoning or explanation, because that's not part of the script. It's entirely based on emotion.

I've talked to "him" for 5 months, and I've never seen "him" explain "his" position, or "his" reasoning.

I strongly suspect it's a PR agent. PR is just newspeak for propaganda, although I'm certain "he" considers "himself" as public relations and is doing the "right thing". Israel employs the same sort of propagandists, and they are FULLY certain they are correct, although they have no concept of the conflict but they are more sophisticated in that when challenged, they have higher ups to explain contradictions.

US propaganda is more primitive, but the US isn't so dependent on it, yet.

These aren't bad people, they just have too much trust in their authorities. I'm entirely certain that "mostly reader" is confident "he" is correct, although "he" has no understanding how he is correct. Propagandists expect you to trust authority, just as they do.

Then again, I've not experienced desperation. I wonder what I could be made to do in order to eat and feed my family. I used to hate propagandists, but, I don't have to do this do I? I have options. Perhaps "he" doesn't.

I hope I'm not hurting him by being intransigent. No mere propagandist can change my mind. Somebody that knows more than I do could, but I would check their claims. If they left out information, I would find it in time.

richwicks says

stereotomy says

mostlyreader has obviously not read "War is a Racket."

something something horses water . . .

I think he's just working for a PR agency. His job is to promote a point of view, and to shout down the opposite point of view, it's based on psychology and not reasoning. The expectation is that who they are attacking will withdraw or fight back against insults after enough are thrown at them. They will not engage in reasoning or explanation, because that's not part of the script. It's entirely based on emotion.

I've talked to "him" for 5 months, and I've never seen "him" explain "his" position, or "his" reasoning.

I strongly suspect it's a PR agent. PR is just newspeak for propaganda, although I'm certain "he" considers "himself" as public relations and is doing the "right thing". Israel employs the same sort of propagandists, and they ...

I think it's obvious who "he" is. You've given "him" more than enough rope to hang "himself" multiple times. I, for one, appreciate you drawing "him" out to expose what "he" really is.

Trump speaking in front of a rogue's gallery of backstabbers who made book on trying to fuck him over. I would think he would only do that to deliver some kind of veiled ultimatum.
https://t.me/WeTheMedia/72007

richwicks says

This is another thoughtless response produced with no effort.

But of course. ANY effort spent on you is wasted effort. Yet every single word in this response is true: your predictive powers do suck, and betting against them is safe and easy.

More "Confessions Of A Medical Industry Hit Man". They must have shaken her up at GITMO and struck a deal. "Do I still get to keep all the bribes after I throw them under the bus?"

mostly reader says

But of course. ANY effort spent on you is wasted effort.

Don't waste effort on me. Expend some effort on the people reading this other than me. Just explain. What I think doesn't matter, but you can change my thinking and you may change other people's thinking.