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jykiodfgr says

there is a risk that the conflict would escalate into an all-out war between Russia and Europe, which could spiral out of control

In order for Europe to engage in a conventional war with Russia, they would have to get an alternative energy supply.

Europe should have LONG AGO, worked to make better relations with Russia and drop their alignment with the United States. The US should have also fostered better relations with Russia and dropped their alignment with Europe.

Remember, the whole bullshit about the Cold War was about the supposed evil of the USSR - well, the USSR is dead - so we know the enmity between the US / Europe and Russia had nothing to do with communism. It has nothing to do with human rights, it has nothing to do with democracy or self-determination.

Look at US and European relations with China. They don't give a shit about freedom, or self determination at all. We've been lied to our entire lives. Our government had made Russia an enemy for some reason, and they just make up the shit they think we want to hear to justify them as enemies. Oh, we're all mad that Russia is bombing Ukraine, Americans don't give a shit about that. The US government has been bombing tons of nations, who cares? None of the "liberals" do, they didn't give a fuck when Obomba brought back slavery to Libya, or fucking blew up Somalia or Syria. They cheered it on.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/joe-bidens-last-stand/

Let us agree that the place called Ukraine was never any of America’s business. For centuries we ignored it, through all the colorful cavalry charges to-and-fro of Turks and Tatars, the reign of the dashing Zaporozhian Cossacks, the cruel abuses of Stalin, then Hitler, and the dull, gray Khrushchev-to-Yeltsin years. But then, having destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and sundry other places all on a great hegemonic lark, the professional warmongers of our land and their catamites in Washington made Ukraine their next special project. They engineered the 2014 coup in Kiev that ousted the elected president, Mr. Yanyukovich, to set up a giant grifting parlor and international money-laundromat. The other strategic aim was to prepare Ukraine for NATO membership, which would have made it, in effect, a forward missile base right up against Russia’s border. Because, well, Russia, Russia, Russia!

An early beneficiary of these arrangements, you might recall, was one Hunter Biden, the drug-addicted, sex-obsessed, no-account son of Barack Obama’s no-account vice-president then known simply as Joe Biden sans quote-marks — because in 2014, he was a closer approximation of a real person than is sadly now the case. In fact, he was known as “The Big Guy” among Hunter’s business coterie (though listed as “Pedo Peter” on Hunter’s speed-dial). After the 2014 coup, and for years beyond, Hunter pulled a steady revenue stream out of Ukraine’s Burisma Holdings, a natgas distributor (among other things), serving as a know-nothing, no-show board member. When this monkey business came to the attention of President Trump, and he made a telephone inquiry about it, he was instantly beset by swarms of DC swamp vermin hoisting writs of impeachment.

Fast forward through the past eight years and you have Kiev’s persecution of the Russian-speaking Donbas provinces, the constant shelling and harassment by Banderite Nazis. Between that and the ever more strident urgings for Ukraine to join NATO, President Putin of Russia, Russia, Russia apparently had enough. In February of this year, he started the Special Military Operation to put an end to these hostilities. By April, when whole battalions of Ukrainian Nazis had been exterminated, a call to peace talks was issued by Mr. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. This was shot-down without ceremony by “Joe Biden” (that is, by the junta behind him). The genius strategists in Foggy Bottom aimed to “weaken” Russia. To what end? (you might ask). Okay: Reasons….

Hence, many hard-fought battles on-the-ground later, Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA. The USA pours $10-billion-a-month into this venture, including missiles aplenty and other ordnance, in a stupid effort to prolong the conflict and bankrupt our own land. Thus, Mr. Putin has decided to stop pussyfooting around Ukraine, and declared an upgrade in Russia’s effort to put a conclusive end to these shenanigans. He set this forth clearly in a sober speech Wednesday, which included a reminder to the geniuses in the White House basement game room that Russia is a nuclear power.

“Joe Biden” (looking like the ghost of Konstantin Chernenko) answered in a speech to the UN General Assembly the next day, a maundering recitation of sanctimonious bluster, larded with climate hysteria to alarm and bamboozle the UN’s scores of Third World delegates, with not a word about any possible peace talks — because peaceful resolution of the conflict is the last thing that our government wants. It wants war, meaning we citizens of this land will get it, good and hard, if the puppeteers working “Joe Biden’s” mouth get their way. Prepare to live in an ashtray.

Obviously, we need a new iteration of our Republic. Whatever historic programmed decay orbit occurring in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC with its beholden prostitutes trying to fiddle us into WWIII has got to end.

Patrick says

Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA.

Kunstler loses all credibility by aping Russian propaganda like this.

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Does it make any logical sense to you?

I'm quoting Kunstler there.

Why would you believe that Russia is emptying prisons? If you heard that from the corporate-media/weapons-maker crowd, you know it's not worth believing.

Personally, I have no idea how many were killed on either side. It's impossible to know from here. "The first casualty of war is truth."

But Kunstler is a pretty smart guy, so I wouldn't bet on him being wrong.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/24/putin-was-pushed-to-try-to-replace-the-zelensky-govt-with-decent-people-berlusconi/

Putin was ‘Pushed’ to Try to ‘Replace the Zelensky Govt with Decent People’ – Berlusconi

Former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has courted controversy on the eve of the Italian elections by saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin was “pushed” into war with Ukraine.

“Putin was pushed by the Russian population, by his party and by his ministers to invent this special operation,” the three-time Italian premier claimed on Italian television, in comments quoted by the BBC.

“The troops were supposed to enter, reach Kyiv in a week, replace the Zelensky government with decent people and a week later come back,” he claimed — an implied criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky which may prove to be the most controversial part of his statement.

“Instead they found an unexpected resistance, which was then fed by arms of all kinds from the West,” he added.

socal2 says

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Is any of this true?

I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?

They haven't told the truth about ANY of the wars they've been in since 2000, and probably before, and definitely not before in some instances. It's exhausting to go through all the lies to deconstruct. It's so common, I just assume they are lying until it's demonstrated otherwise. I ASSUME they lied us into Bosnia and Grenada, because they always lie, they lied about Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.

richwicks says

socal2 says

If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?

Is any of this true?

I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?

I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:

- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw

Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".

Taking all of these things together, I just think it is highly dubious to ape Russia death statistics like Kunstler just did, let alone claim that Russia is "winning" this thing with all of these new definitions of winning we are getting from Putin's defenders.

It would be like taking China's COVID death statistics at face value.

socal2 says

I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:

- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw

Hmm, the Telegraph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbH70DKjuY

THAT'S from the telegraph. Apparently sound can travel through a vacuum now.

I have said multiple times, I don't give a FUCK about what stupid fucking bullshit western "news" claims. They falsify shit, constantly. Constantly. Constantly. And you're still like "duh, I read it in the Telegraph".

Who gives a fuck? Our propaganda lies about this war, constantly, unendingly, all the fucking time. Obviously, transparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0l6rSAtrM

I can start out explaining why it's not credible, and gently guide you along, but I've been doing that for YEARS here, and you're still falling for it. You're hopeless. You want to believe this stupid fucking poppycock after it's been REPEATEDLY demonstrated to be "unreliable" (being charitable) - whatever. Be fucking stupid, I don't care.

Russia has over a MILLION people in their military. They've committed less than 200,000 to begin with, and Ukraine's military is 500,000 people. They aren't even fucking trying, they didn't even start with that.

socal2 says

Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".

Oh of course not, the BBC would never fucking lie.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38365490

There's a point where I just don't care if you still are stupid enough to believe nonsense. I just don't care.

You are reading propaganda, let me be as fucking blunt as that. What is going on in Ukraine? I don't know. I just know our media lies about it, bunch of people are being killed stupidly, the war was easily avoidable, and it wouldn't have happened if the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014.

I know that Russia has the advantage in time as well, and Europe does not, and this really isn't a war between Russia and Ukraine, but really a war between the US and Russia.

I am so fucking sick of people pointing to a PROVEN propaganda source and demanding me to believe it. I am so fucking tired of this. I have encountered stupidity, REAL stupidity, very rarely. I don't believe you're stupid, snap out of your programming. Stupid people are truly rare. We have direct access to information now, we have the ability to link to anything, we have translation tools. Why doesn't our "news" point to sources? Because they're lying, OBVIOUSLY.

For those that try act like Russia are the brutal barbarians, and Ukraine is some civilized gentle people being savaged by Russia.

Here's a Ukraine soldier stewing a Russian head in a pot.



Ukraine and Russia are the same people's in a dispute over an identity crises, The difference is the most evil global empire has picked a side, and that makes that side more scary than the other for me, and anyone paying attention, to all of the Goodwill the NWO has done.

Is that Sheldon?

Tenpoundbass says

Here's a Ukraine soldier stewing a Russian head in a pot.

Guess ApocalypseFuck was right: face, it's on the menu.

https://dossier.substack.com/p/slava-slush-fund-despite-economic?isFreemail=true

Slava Slush Fund: despite economic crisis, Congress readies $12 billion more for Ukraine
U.S. has now allocated over $80 billion to Kiev. ...

Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, I mean, Zelensky, needs our support! ...

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They’re almost at the $85 billion mark of weapons left behind in Afghanistan. An annual bonanza at 10% for the big guy.

@AmericanKulak

a video of typical Ukrainian neo-Nazis dancing:

https://babylonbee.com/news/congress-signs-up-for-40-billionmonth-ukraine-subscription

WASHINGTON, D.C. — To avoid fighting over further spending bills, Congress has opted instead to sign up for the brand new subscription service Ukraine+, which only costs $40 billion per month.

"We are proud to be the very first customers for this exciting new service," said Congressman Dan Crenshaw. "Henceforth, $40 billion US dollars will simply be automatically deducted from our account every month, allowing us to continue laundering money and paying off defense lobbyists in perpetuity. Thanks, Ukraine+!"

Experts say subscribing to Ukraine+ is absolutely essential in order to "save democracy or whatever." Studies also confirmed that if anyone disapproves of the new subscription, they are probably a Russian agent and love Putin.

Ukraine+ will not offer any streaming entertainment options, but will give millions of Americans peace of mind knowing their hard-earned tax dollars are going to help Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Raytheon continue manufacturing weapons to make up for their losses after the Afghanistan withdrawal while preserving the Liberal World Order™.

Representatives for Ukraine+ also confirmed that the other NATO countries will be subscribing, but that their subscription is free.

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/12/ukraine-the-cias-75-year-old-proxy/

Joe Biden “is fueling the fire in the Ukraine.”
— Roger Waters of Pink Floyd ...

As Noam Chomsky expressed it: “It’s quite interesting that in American discourse, it is almost obligatory to refer to the invasion as the ‘unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.’ Look it up on Google, you will find hundreds of thousands of hits. Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.” If Chomsky is not convincing enough, perhaps the U.S./NATO warmongers might heed Pope Francis, certainly no Russophile, who ascertained that the invasion is the result of “the barking of NATO at the gates of Russia…. I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes.”

Patrick says

https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/12/ukraine-the-cias-75-year-old-proxy/

Joe Biden “is fueling the fire in the Ukraine.”
— Roger Waters of Pink Floyd ...

As Noam Chomsky expressed it: “It’s quite interesting that in American discourse, it is almost obligatory to refer to the invasion as the ‘unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.’ Look it up on Google, you will find hundreds of thousands of hits. Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.” If Chomsky is not convincing enough, perhaps the U.S./NATO warmongers might heed Pope Francis, certainly no Russophile, who ascertained that the invasion is the result of “the barking of NATO at the gates of Russia…. I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes.”

Yeah, the only quick way to end a war against you is to surrender. And then find youself in a shallow grave with hands tied in the back and a bullet in your head. But this is the sacrifice that Waters cunt is willing to make for somebody else.

And isn't it ironic that Chomsky, CHOMSKY of all people, that old Commie cunt, is now fawned upon by so-called "conservatives"? What a fucking joke. "I find myself agreeing with Ocasio-Cortez... and Xi.... and Chomsky.... BUT I AM CONSERVATIVE!!!"

Americans used to understand the simple mechanics of fighting a colonial power to assure independence from it, but no more. I blame homeschooling on this pussyfication of the nation: people who went to public schools learn very early that giving away your lunch money today doesn't buy you anything except the chance to give them both your lunch money and a Gameboy tomorrow.

If any of these fucks sincerely wanted to end the war ASAP they would clamour for return of nuclear weapons and strategic means of delivery taken from Ukraine in 1994 in exchange for US assurances of their sovereignty, territorial integrity and freedom from threat by force. But they won't because this is not in Putler's interest.

Yeah, once Russian solidifies its control in eastern Ukraine such as Dombas and north of Crimea than it will continue to put pressure further east toward Kiev.

I don't see Russia just stopping and holding ground.

The problem is outside those occupied regions, there was not as much support for Russia prior to the invasion. I suspect there is very little to no support now especially in cities like Kharkiv.

So does Putin try to force all dissident Ukrainians out and further west as he tries to gain even more land such as Odessa ?

I agree, as with Putin, its either you comply or you get pushed out of your home /homeland (and are lucky enough to not end in a mass grave).

.

Eric Holder says

Americans used to understand the simple mechanics of fighting a colonial power to assure independence from it

Yes, listen to Putin's reasoning. It was ramblings but his first reason was that Ukraine was attacking Dombas.

Then he went off on a tangent that Ukraine is historically and culturally part of Russia and that he was going to do them a favor by occupying it and bringing it into the Russian Federation. That was enough to show what his real motivation was, and that any other reason for invading Ukraine is a red herring or lie.

I don't know further east he can go into Ukraine cause its been 30 years since their independence. Most of the hardliners in Ukraine who may be somewhat lukewarm to the Kremlin are at least 75 years old.

He is going to have a hard time even trying to put a puppet government in Kiev if he was to reach to that level of victory. It would be rejected by most people and he could not get the Ukraine military and police to act as Kremlin's enforcers given all the bad blood that has happened since 2014.

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https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/27/poll-americans-support-quick-diplomatic-end-to-war-in-ukraine/

US does not want an end to the war. Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.

Patrick says

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/27/poll-americans-support-quick-diplomatic-end-to-war-in-ukraine/

US does not want an end to the war. Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.

I really hate globalism, fucking cancer. Just creates monopoly of very wealthy assholes, who own everything, decide who lives or dies, and we all become beholden to them. Because there is always enough worthless ladder climbers who will do anything and everything immoral they are told to by the elites to climb their fucking ladders.

Patrick says

Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.

How? The fuckers are in "unlimited partnership" with China, for Pete's sake. There is nothing more globalist than that. Also they got utterly dependent on global corporations for everything - agro, oil&gas, car manufacturing, consumer goods, IT, etc. They embraced the whole coof BS with masks, lockdowns, QR codes, vaxxination and all... So much anti-globalism it hurs, LOL.

so now that they voted territories into Russia… whats next?

Is Biden gonna go pee on their pipeline again?

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

so now that they voted territories into Russia… whats next?

Eric Holder says

Patrick says

Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.

How? The fuckers are in "unlimited partnership" with China, for Pete's sake. There is nothing more globalist than that.

OK, Russia is a threat to global government by American corporations.

They are an independent power that is not obeying orders from the NSA. That's why the NSA is doing whatever it can to make Americans hate Putin.

Eric Holder says

Yeah, the only quick way to end a war against you is to surrender. And then find youself in a shallow grave with hands tied in the back and a bullet in your head. But this is the sacrifice that Waters cunt is willing to make for somebody else.

Zelenskyy is a traitor. That's how he should end up.

Instead, he's sending millions of Ukrainians to their grave.

All he had to do was refuse to join NATO and implement the Minsk Accords and this whole, stupid war, could have been avoided - or at least, Russia wouldn't have been able to make any excuse for that war.

ad says

I agree, as with Putin, its either you comply or you get pushed out of your home /homeland (and are lucky enough to not end in a mass grave).

That's the ultimatum that the US has given in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia.

Of course, leaving those nations alone wouldn't have effects on the United States at all, except save it trillions of dollars. But who cares? It's not like the people who started these wars paid for them. The American public did, fuck them.

Patrick says

OK, Russia is a threat to global government by American corporations.

They are an independent power that is not obeying orders from the NSA. That's why the NSA is doing whatever it can to make Americans hate Putin.

this reminds me a lot of what they did in Iraq. Constant stream of "Saddam is evil and needs to go" propaganda. The guys who do all the government propaganda here don't seem to change much. It's as if they just reuse templates or something. Fill in the blank, replace the names, send to newspapers and social media... get paid.

Kind of like a giant system built around cold war, that doesn't have a need to exist or just needs to reform itself. But instead resists any change because there are so many monied interests involved, that this giant network creates a need for itself to exist vs actually being needed. Sometimes I think it's a good thing they are focused on Russia. Because when they don't focus on Russia, they start harassing us Americans, entrapping us and calling us domestic terrorists just to justify their fucking pathetic government existence and bloated fucking budgets.

https://babylonbee.com/news/congress-passes-funding-stopgap-bill-to-avoid-ukrainian-government-shutdown

https://babylonbee.com/news/zelensky-seen-on-raft-asking-for-donations-from-flooded-florida-residents

FORT MYERS, FL — As emergency crews worked tirelessly to rescue Floridians with the sense to stay out of Georgia, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky was seen on a rescue boat, paddling door to door and asking for donations to support the war effort against Russia.

Zelensky explained to victims of Hurricane Ian that $60 Billion was barely enough to buy a few drones from American arms dealers and that the Rolex on his wrist was a knock-off.

"Madam, is that your purse floating away in the raging torrent?" said Zelensky to an elderly woman fighting off a gator. "If you could swim over and grab it, that'd be great. Every little bit helps."

Zelensky was seen throughout Fort Myers weaving between rescue boats and flooded homes, reminding Floridians who had not yet succumbed that Putin was pure evil. After that, he took some time to visit any celebrities who lived nearby because he had only met most of them via Zoom. One Floridian called from her rooftop to remind Zelensky she had already helped by changing her profile picture to the Ukrainian flag for nearly three weeks.

At publishing time, Congress had passed the Hurricane Ian Recovery Act, aimed at sending FEMA workers and $30 Billion to Ukraine.

As predicted before, idiot geostrategist Putler lost Central Asia to China due to his attack on Ukraine:

https://www.akorda.kz/en/president-kassym-jomart-tokayev-held-a-meeting-with-president-xi-jinping-of-china-1484612

President Xi Jinping highly appreciated the level of Kazakh-Chinese relations and expressed confidence that this visit will give a new impetus to its further strengthening. He stressed that China supports Kazakhstan’s position on regional and international issues. No matter how the international situation changes, *we will continue our strong support to Kazakhstan in protecting its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity*, as well as firm support to the reforms you are carrying out to ensure stability and development, and strongly oppose to the interference of any forces in the internal affairs of your country. China has been and remains a trusted friend and reliable partner of Kazakhstan.

Note that Russians had designs on Northern Kazakhstan not too dissimilar to ones in Donbas. Now Russians can suck on Chinese dick instead of annexing Kazakh territory, while Chinese have access to almost half of world's uranium supply, a lot of oil and gas, and many other raw materials.

Ruscia strong! And has the best edumacation in the world!! Ruscia got robots on the battlefield!! De-mining robots, to be exact:



Cool, huh?

And this is the same robot after the first mine it "denazified":



The mine was destroyed so we can't cal it a failure, can we?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ynRbsr8_Y

"Naked" T-72s pulled out of storage:

https://youtu.be/Nn-tYqamxxc

At least these aren't T-62s...

RWSGFY says

Ruscia strong! And has the best edumacation in the world!! Ruscia got robots on the battlefield!! De-mining robots, to be exact:

Cool, huh?

And this is the same robot after the first mine it "denazified":

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ynRbsr8_Y

It's not the same machine.



What's the point of propagandizing the public in this stupid war?

Bd6r says

https://www.akorda.kz/en/president-kassym-jomart-tokayev-held-a-meeting-with-president-xi-jinping-of-china-1484612

President Xi Jinping highly appreciated the level of Kazakh-Chinese relations and expressed confidence that this visit will give a new impetus to its further strengthening. He stressed that China supports Kazakhstan’s position on regional and international issues. No matter how the international situation changes, we will continue our strong support to Kazakhstan in protecting its independence, sovereignty and territorial integrity

Khazakhstan seems like a place that Russia and China are destined to fight over, as it has large borders with both.

Patrick says

Khazakhstan seems like a place that Russia and China are destined to fight over, as it has large borders with both.

Fight is over already, Chinese have won and Central Asian is divided between Turkey and China. Kazakhstan is now a Chinese client state, the only country China and Turkey need to eject Russians from is Tajikistan.