Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread
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Booger
2022 Sep 21, 4:52pm
Booger
2022 Sep 21, 4:52pm
Mobilizing 300000 troops isn't going to get you any more tanks, trucks, or artillery shells.
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Booger
2022 Sep 21, 4:53pm
Booger
2022 Sep 21, 4:53pm
Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 5:16pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 5:16pm
RWSGFY says
Everything we are told is given to us by a government that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, lied about Qaddafi causing a humanitarian crisis in Libya, lied about Assad gassing his own citizens, and lied about not overthrowing Ukraine in a coup.
We've had the Ghost of "Kyiv", the massacre on Snake Island, a Massacre in Mariopol that wasn't done by the Russians - it's so weird to me people still believe this fucking lying government and it's pathetic propaganda media.
If mobilizing and throwing in 300,000 poorly-equipped conscripts as cannon fodder was part of the plan, why wasn't it done before starting the SCHMO? And if it wasn't, doesn't it mean that the SCHMO is not going as planned?
Everything we are told is given to us by a government that lied about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, lied about Qaddafi causing a humanitarian crisis in Libya, lied about Assad gassing his own citizens, and lied about not overthrowing Ukraine in a coup.
We've had the Ghost of "Kyiv", the massacre on Snake Island, a Massacre in Mariopol that wasn't done by the Russians - it's so weird to me people still believe this fucking lying government and it's pathetic propaganda media.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 5:21pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 5:21pm
Eric Holder says
What are you talking about?
Did we find a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?
Stop thinking like a child. I'm so sick of it. You insist on a false dichotomy. You realize, that if Iraq's government lies, doesn't mean that the US government tells the truth, don't you?
You realize that if Ukraine's puppet US government lies, doesn't mean that Russia's government tells the truth, don't you?
Grow up.
It seems to me Russia just has to keep the war going, and win through attrition, as Europe freezes to death this winter. That's likely what they do. This war is going to drag on forever now. Even if Ukraine now gives into all the demands of Russia, Russia isn't going to stop.
Hey, @rickwicks, are you going to demand proof or this Baghdad Bob shit is good enough for you as is? Just so you know: if you don't,you'll make a complete ass clown out of yourself (again).
What are you talking about?
Did we find a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq yet?
Stop thinking like a child. I'm so sick of it. You insist on a false dichotomy. You realize, that if Iraq's government lies, doesn't mean that the US government tells the truth, don't you?
You realize that if Ukraine's puppet US government lies, doesn't mean that Russia's government tells the truth, don't you?
Grow up.
It seems to me Russia just has to keep the war going, and win through attrition, as Europe freezes to death this winter. That's likely what they do. This war is going to drag on forever now. Even if Ukraine now gives into all the demands of Russia, Russia isn't going to stop.
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Misc
2022 Sep 21, 6:00pm
People within Ukraine that would like to come to terms with the Russians are targeted by our CIA (sometimes with missile strikes). The conflict is not popular in the Ukraine, but the opposing political party was disbanded and those vocalizing dissent are put in prison at best. It is a full on dictatorship.
We in the West hear about the 1000 people arrested for protesting the Russian mobilization, but we hear nothing about the arrests, closing down any opposing media and full on Big Brother activity of Zelensky.
When the Special Operation was initiated, Putin had no intention of occupying the Ukraine. He attacked with about 190000 personnel. For a country with Ukraine's population, it would take a force of about 1 million to occupy it. No, he wanted a puppet government in Kiev. He ain't gonna get that anytime soon, so he is annexing territory using the same type of referendums we used for Kosovo (let the people in the area vote to see if they wanna be part of Russia). He figures that if it is Russia territory the attacks from Ukraine will stop because Putin says he will use nukes. Putin has been known to lie on occasion, but with the systems Russia has in place if Russian territory is nuked I think the West backs down.
We in the West hear about the 1000 people arrested for protesting the Russian mobilization, but we hear nothing about the arrests, closing down any opposing media and full on Big Brother activity of Zelensky.
When the Special Operation was initiated, Putin had no intention of occupying the Ukraine. He attacked with about 190000 personnel. For a country with Ukraine's population, it would take a force of about 1 million to occupy it. No, he wanted a puppet government in Kiev. He ain't gonna get that anytime soon, so he is annexing territory using the same type of referendums we used for Kosovo (let the people in the area vote to see if they wanna be part of Russia). He figures that if it is Russia territory the attacks from Ukraine will stop because Putin says he will use nukes. Putin has been known to lie on occasion, but with the systems Russia has in place if Russian territory is nuked I think the West backs down.
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AmericanKulak
2022 Sep 21, 6:21pm
AmericanKulak
2022 Sep 21, 6:21pm
Booger says
I doubt they need that. Russia's performance is unimpressive, regardless of there being Western Mercs probably doing 90% of the work and the Ukrainian conscripts merely doing positional warfare.
Where are the French and German and Italian troops? Much shorter transport and logistics line.
Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.
I doubt they need that. Russia's performance is unimpressive, regardless of there being Western Mercs probably doing 90% of the work and the Ukrainian conscripts merely doing positional warfare.
Where are the French and German and Italian troops? Much shorter transport and logistics line.
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mell
2022 Sep 21, 9:36pm
AmericanKulak says
That's the point. Russia isn't interested in forcing a win and end up losing through incompetence. Unless people rise up and fire putin the situation hurts Europe more than Russia. Sure some oligarchs are fucked but the common people aren't. Russia can simply do deals with the East, plenty of energy hungry developing countries. Europe doesn't want to commit troops and lose lives as their "leaders" are already totally hated by the people. And xiden keeps shuffling hard earned American taxpayer money into corrupt Ukraine to cover for hunter, nuland et al and all their corrupt dealings and meddling.
Booger says
Rumor has it that the main purpose of US troops in Poland and the Baltics is to prevent them from invading Russia and Belirus.
I doubt they need that. Russia's performance is unimpressive, regardless of there being Western Mercs probably doing 90% of the work and the Ukrainian conscripts merely doing positional warfare.
Where are the French and German and Italian troops? Much shorter transport and logistics line.
That's the point. Russia isn't interested in forcing a win and end up losing through incompetence. Unless people rise up and fire putin the situation hurts Europe more than Russia. Sure some oligarchs are fucked but the common people aren't. Russia can simply do deals with the East, plenty of energy hungry developing countries. Europe doesn't want to commit troops and lose lives as their "leaders" are already totally hated by the people. And xiden keeps shuffling hard earned American taxpayer money into corrupt Ukraine to cover for hunter, nuland et al and all their corrupt dealings and meddling.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 10:35pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 21, 10:35pm
jykiodfgr says
In order for Europe to engage in a conventional war with Russia, they would have to get an alternative energy supply.
Europe should have LONG AGO, worked to make better relations with Russia and drop their alignment with the United States. The US should have also fostered better relations with Russia and dropped their alignment with Europe.
Remember, the whole bullshit about the Cold War was about the supposed evil of the USSR - well, the USSR is dead - so we know the enmity between the US / Europe and Russia had nothing to do with communism. It has nothing to do with human rights, it has nothing to do with democracy or self-determination.
Look at US and European relations with China. They don't give a shit about freedom, or self determination at all. We've been lied to our entire lives. Our government had made Russia an enemy for some reason, and they just make up the shit they think we want to hear to justify them as enemies. Oh, we're all mad that Russia is bombing Ukraine, Americans don't give a shit about that. The US government has been bombing tons of nations, who cares? None of the "liberals" do, they didn't give a fuck when Obomba brought back slavery to Libya, or fucking blew up Somalia or Syria. They cheered it on.
there is a risk that the conflict would escalate into an all-out war between Russia and Europe, which could spiral out of control
In order for Europe to engage in a conventional war with Russia, they would have to get an alternative energy supply.
Europe should have LONG AGO, worked to make better relations with Russia and drop their alignment with the United States. The US should have also fostered better relations with Russia and dropped their alignment with Europe.
Remember, the whole bullshit about the Cold War was about the supposed evil of the USSR - well, the USSR is dead - so we know the enmity between the US / Europe and Russia had nothing to do with communism. It has nothing to do with human rights, it has nothing to do with democracy or self-determination.
Look at US and European relations with China. They don't give a shit about freedom, or self determination at all. We've been lied to our entire lives. Our government had made Russia an enemy for some reason, and they just make up the shit they think we want to hear to justify them as enemies. Oh, we're all mad that Russia is bombing Ukraine, Americans don't give a shit about that. The US government has been bombing tons of nations, who cares? None of the "liberals" do, they didn't give a fuck when Obomba brought back slavery to Libya, or fucking blew up Somalia or Syria. They cheered it on.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 23, 11:51am
Patrick
2022 Sep 23, 11:51am
https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/joe-bidens-last-stand/
Let us agree that the place called Ukraine was never any of America’s business. For centuries we ignored it, through all the colorful cavalry charges to-and-fro of Turks and Tatars, the reign of the dashing Zaporozhian Cossacks, the cruel abuses of Stalin, then Hitler, and the dull, gray Khrushchev-to-Yeltsin years. But then, having destroyed Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Somalia and sundry other places all on a great hegemonic lark, the professional warmongers of our land and their catamites in Washington made Ukraine their next special project. They engineered the 2014 coup in Kiev that ousted the elected president, Mr. Yanyukovich, to set up a giant grifting parlor and international money-laundromat. The other strategic aim was to prepare Ukraine for NATO membership, which would have made it, in effect, a forward missile base right up against Russia’s border. Because, well, Russia, Russia, Russia!
An early beneficiary of these arrangements, you might recall, was one Hunter Biden, the drug-addicted, sex-obsessed, no-account son of Barack Obama’s no-account vice-president then known simply as Joe Biden sans quote-marks — because in 2014, he was a closer approximation of a real person than is sadly now the case. In fact, he was known as “The Big Guy” among Hunter’s business coterie (though listed as “Pedo Peter” on Hunter’s speed-dial). After the 2014 coup, and for years beyond, Hunter pulled a steady revenue stream out of Ukraine’s Burisma Holdings, a natgas distributor (among other things), serving as a know-nothing, no-show board member. When this monkey business came to the attention of President Trump, and he made a telephone inquiry about it, he was instantly beset by swarms of DC swamp vermin hoisting writs of impeachment.
Fast forward through the past eight years and you have Kiev’s persecution of the Russian-speaking Donbas provinces, the constant shelling and harassment by Banderite Nazis. Between that and the ever more strident urgings for Ukraine to join NATO, President Putin of Russia, Russia, Russia apparently had enough. In February of this year, he started the Special Military Operation to put an end to these hostilities. By April, when whole battalions of Ukrainian Nazis had been exterminated, a call to peace talks was issued by Mr. Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister. This was shot-down without ceremony by “Joe Biden” (that is, by the junta behind him). The genius strategists in Foggy Bottom aimed to “weaken” Russia. To what end? (you might ask). Okay: Reasons….
Hence, many hard-fought battles on-the-ground later, Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA. The USA pours $10-billion-a-month into this venture, including missiles aplenty and other ordnance, in a stupid effort to prolong the conflict and bankrupt our own land. Thus, Mr. Putin has decided to stop pussyfooting around Ukraine, and declared an upgrade in Russia’s effort to put a conclusive end to these shenanigans. He set this forth clearly in a sober speech Wednesday, which included a reminder to the geniuses in the White House basement game room that Russia is a nuclear power.
“Joe Biden” (looking like the ghost of Konstantin Chernenko) answered in a speech to the UN General Assembly the next day, a maundering recitation of sanctimonious bluster, larded with climate hysteria to alarm and bamboozle the UN’s scores of Third World delegates, with not a word about any possible peace talks — because peaceful resolution of the conflict is the last thing that our government wants. It wants war, meaning we citizens of this land will get it, good and hard, if the puppeteers working “Joe Biden’s” mouth get their way. Prepare to live in an ashtray.
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Ceffer
2022 Sep 23, 12:17pm
Ceffer
2022 Sep 23, 12:17pm
Obviously, we need a new iteration of our Republic. Whatever historic programmed decay orbit occurring in the foreign occupied foreign city state of Washington DC with its beholden prostitutes trying to fiddle us into WWIII has got to end.
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socal2
2022 Sep 23, 12:42pm
Patrick says
Kunstler loses all credibility by aping Russian propaganda like this.
If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?
Does it make any logical sense to you?
Ukraine has lost roughly 70,000 troops killed to Russia’s roughly 6,000 KIA.
Kunstler loses all credibility by aping Russian propaganda like this.
If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?
Does it make any logical sense to you?
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Patrick
2022 Sep 23, 4:49pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 23, 4:49pm
I'm quoting Kunstler there.
Why would you believe that Russia is emptying prisons? If you heard that from the corporate-media/weapons-maker crowd, you know it's not worth believing.
Personally, I have no idea how many were killed on either side. It's impossible to know from here. "The first casualty of war is truth."
But Kunstler is a pretty smart guy, so I wouldn't bet on him being wrong.
Why would you believe that Russia is emptying prisons? If you heard that from the corporate-media/weapons-maker crowd, you know it's not worth believing.
Personally, I have no idea how many were killed on either side. It's impossible to know from here. "The first casualty of war is truth."
But Kunstler is a pretty smart guy, so I wouldn't bet on him being wrong.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 24, 11:34pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 24, 11:34pm
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/09/24/putin-was-pushed-to-try-to-replace-the-zelensky-govt-with-decent-people-berlusconi/
Putin was ‘Pushed’ to Try to ‘Replace the Zelensky Govt with Decent People’ – Berlusconi
Former Italian prime minister Silvio Berlusconi has courted controversy on the eve of the Italian elections by saying that Russian president Vladimir Putin was “pushed” into war with Ukraine.
“Putin was pushed by the Russian population, by his party and by his ministers to invent this special operation,” the three-time Italian premier claimed on Italian television, in comments quoted by the BBC.
“The troops were supposed to enter, reach Kyiv in a week, replace the Zelensky government with decent people and a week later come back,” he claimed — an implied criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky which may prove to be the most controversial part of his statement.
“Instead they found an unexpected resistance, which was then fed by arms of all kinds from the West,” he added.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 24, 11:44pm
richwicks
2022 Sep 24, 11:44pm
socal2 says
Is any of this true?
I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?
They haven't told the truth about ANY of the wars they've been in since 2000, and probably before, and definitely not before in some instances. It's exhausting to go through all the lies to deconstruct. It's so common, I just assume they are lying until it's demonstrated otherwise. I ASSUME they lied us into Bosnia and Grenada, because they always lie, they lied about Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?
Is any of this true?
I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?
They haven't told the truth about ANY of the wars they've been in since 2000, and probably before, and definitely not before in some instances. It's exhausting to go through all the lies to deconstruct. It's so common, I just assume they are lying until it's demonstrated otherwise. I ASSUME they lied us into Bosnia and Grenada, because they always lie, they lied about Vietnam and the Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
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socal2
2022 Sep 25, 10:16am
richwicks says
I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:
- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw
Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".
Taking all of these things together, I just think it is highly dubious to ape Russia death statistics like Kunstler just did, let alone claim that Russia is "winning" this thing with all of these new definitions of winning we are getting from Putin's defenders.
It would be like taking China's COVID death statistics at face value.
socal2 says
If Russia really only had 6,000 KIA - why have they lost so much territory, emptying their prisons and now calling up a draft for new troops?
Is any of this true?
I don't get it, you're probably not 20, and if you're over 40, you've seen how ceaselessly our government lies about war. Why do you believe anything you hear? How many times do these fucking fuckers fucking have to fucking lie to you before you think "maybe these fucking fuckers are fucking lying to me, AGAIN"?
I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:
- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw
Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".
Taking all of these things together, I just think it is highly dubious to ape Russia death statistics like Kunstler just did, let alone claim that Russia is "winning" this thing with all of these new definitions of winning we are getting from Putin's defenders.
It would be like taking China's COVID death statistics at face value.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 25, 10:39am
richwicks
2022 Sep 25, 10:39am
socal2 says
Hmm, the Telegraph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbH70DKjuY
THAT'S from the telegraph. Apparently sound can travel through a vacuum now.
I have said multiple times, I don't give a FUCK about what stupid fucking bullshit western "news" claims. They falsify shit, constantly. Constantly. Constantly. And you're still like "duh, I read it in the Telegraph".
Who gives a fuck? Our propaganda lies about this war, constantly, unendingly, all the fucking time. Obviously, transparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0l6rSAtrM
I can start out explaining why it's not credible, and gently guide you along, but I've been doing that for YEARS here, and you're still falling for it. You're hopeless. You want to believe this stupid fucking poppycock after it's been REPEATEDLY demonstrated to be "unreliable" (being charitable) - whatever. Be fucking stupid, I don't care.
Russia has over a MILLION people in their military. They've committed less than 200,000 to begin with, and Ukraine's military is 500,000 people. They aren't even fucking trying, they didn't even start with that.
socal2 says
Oh of course not, the BBC would never fucking lie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38365490
There's a point where I just don't care if you still are stupid enough to believe nonsense. I just don't care.
You are reading propaganda, let me be as fucking blunt as that. What is going on in Ukraine? I don't know. I just know our media lies about it, bunch of people are being killed stupidly, the war was easily avoidable, and it wouldn't have happened if the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014.
I know that Russia has the advantage in time as well, and Europe does not, and this really isn't a war between Russia and Ukraine, but really a war between the US and Russia.
I am so fucking sick of people pointing to a PROVEN propaganda source and demanding me to believe it. I am so fucking tired of this. I have encountered stupidity, REAL stupidity, very rarely. I don't believe you're stupid, snap out of your programming. Stupid people are truly rare. We have direct access to information now, we have the ability to link to anything, we have translation tools. Why doesn't our "news" point to sources? Because they're lying, OBVIOUSLY.
I made 3 basic claims that I don't think anyone disputes:
- Russia admits it lost territory they initially captured around Kyiv. Russia also admit they just lost territory from the recent Ukrainian offensive in Kharkiv.
- Russia announces to the whole world they are calling up a draft and mobilizing 300,000 additional soldiers
- Russia admits they are recruiting from prisons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufOVEKwY2sw
Hmm, the Telegraph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIbH70DKjuY
THAT'S from the telegraph. Apparently sound can travel through a vacuum now.
I have said multiple times, I don't give a FUCK about what stupid fucking bullshit western "news" claims. They falsify shit, constantly. Constantly. Constantly. And you're still like "duh, I read it in the Telegraph".
Who gives a fuck? Our propaganda lies about this war, constantly, unendingly, all the fucking time. Obviously, transparently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6x0l6rSAtrM
I can start out explaining why it's not credible, and gently guide you along, but I've been doing that for YEARS here, and you're still falling for it. You're hopeless. You want to believe this stupid fucking poppycock after it's been REPEATEDLY demonstrated to be "unreliable" (being charitable) - whatever. Be fucking stupid, I don't care.
Russia has over a MILLION people in their military. They've committed less than 200,000 to begin with, and Ukraine's military is 500,000 people. They aren't even fucking trying, they didn't even start with that.
socal2 says
Putin just fired another top general. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63021117 None of this is secret or "fake news".
Oh of course not, the BBC would never fucking lie.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-38365490
There's a point where I just don't care if you still are stupid enough to believe nonsense. I just don't care.
You are reading propaganda, let me be as fucking blunt as that. What is going on in Ukraine? I don't know. I just know our media lies about it, bunch of people are being killed stupidly, the war was easily avoidable, and it wouldn't have happened if the US didn't overthrow Ukraine in 2014.
I know that Russia has the advantage in time as well, and Europe does not, and this really isn't a war between Russia and Ukraine, but really a war between the US and Russia.
I am so fucking sick of people pointing to a PROVEN propaganda source and demanding me to believe it. I am so fucking tired of this. I have encountered stupidity, REAL stupidity, very rarely. I don't believe you're stupid, snap out of your programming. Stupid people are truly rare. We have direct access to information now, we have the ability to link to anything, we have translation tools. Why doesn't our "news" point to sources? Because they're lying, OBVIOUSLY.
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Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 25, 11:59am
Tenpoundbass
2022 Sep 25, 11:59am
For those that try act like Russia are the brutal barbarians, and Ukraine is some civilized gentle people being savaged by Russia.
Here's a Ukraine soldier stewing a Russian head in a pot.
Ukraine and Russia are the same people's in a dispute over an identity crises, The difference is the most evil global empire has picked a side, and that makes that side more scary than the other for me, and anyone paying attention, to all of the Goodwill the NWO has done.
Here's a Ukraine soldier stewing a Russian head in a pot.
Ukraine and Russia are the same people's in a dispute over an identity crises, The difference is the most evil global empire has picked a side, and that makes that side more scary than the other for me, and anyone paying attention, to all of the Goodwill the NWO has done.
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Ceffer
2022 Sep 25, 2:19pm
Ceffer
2022 Sep 25, 2:19pm
Tenpoundbass says
Guess ApocalypseFuck was right: face, it's on the menu.
Here's a Ukraine soldier stewing a Russian head in a pot.
Guess ApocalypseFuck was right: face, it's on the menu.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 26, 4:45pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 26, 4:45pm
https://dossier.substack.com/p/slava-slush-fund-despite-economic?isFreemail=true
Slava Slush Fund: despite economic crisis, Congress readies $12 billion more for Ukraine
U.S. has now allocated over $80 billion to Kiev. ...
Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, I mean, Zelensky, needs our support! ...
Yuri Bezmenov
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They’re almost at the $85 billion mark of weapons left behind in Afghanistan. An annual bonanza at 10% for the big guy.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 27, 10:41am
Patrick
2022 Sep 27, 10:41am
https://babylonbee.com/news/congress-signs-up-for-40-billionmonth-ukraine-subscription
WASHINGTON, D.C. — To avoid fighting over further spending bills, Congress has opted instead to sign up for the brand new subscription service Ukraine+, which only costs $40 billion per month.
"We are proud to be the very first customers for this exciting new service," said Congressman Dan Crenshaw. "Henceforth, $40 billion US dollars will simply be automatically deducted from our account every month, allowing us to continue laundering money and paying off defense lobbyists in perpetuity. Thanks, Ukraine+!"
Experts say subscribing to Ukraine+ is absolutely essential in order to "save democracy or whatever." Studies also confirmed that if anyone disapproves of the new subscription, they are probably a Russian agent and love Putin.
Ukraine+ will not offer any streaming entertainment options, but will give millions of Americans peace of mind knowing their hard-earned tax dollars are going to help Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and Raytheon continue manufacturing weapons to make up for their losses after the Afghanistan withdrawal while preserving the Liberal World Order™.
Representatives for Ukraine+ also confirmed that the other NATO countries will be subscribing, but that their subscription is free.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 27, 11:14am
Patrick
2022 Sep 27, 11:14am
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/12/ukraine-the-cias-75-year-old-proxy/
Joe Biden “is fueling the fire in the Ukraine.”
— Roger Waters of Pink Floyd ...
As Noam Chomsky expressed it: “It’s quite interesting that in American discourse, it is almost obligatory to refer to the invasion as the ‘unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.’ Look it up on Google, you will find hundreds of thousands of hits. Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.” If Chomsky is not convincing enough, perhaps the U.S./NATO warmongers might heed Pope Francis, certainly no Russophile, who ascertained that the invasion is the result of “the barking of NATO at the gates of Russia…. I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes.”
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Eric Holder
2022 Sep 27, 11:25am
Eric Holder
2022 Sep 27, 11:25am
Patrick says
Yeah, the only quick way to end a war against you is to surrender. And then find youself in a shallow grave with hands tied in the back and a bullet in your head. But this is the sacrifice that Waters cunt is willing to make for somebody else.
And isn't it ironic that Chomsky, CHOMSKY of all people, that old Commie cunt, is now fawned upon by so-called "conservatives"? What a fucking joke. "I find myself agreeing with Ocasio-Cortez... and Xi.... and Chomsky.... BUT I AM CONSERVATIVE!!!"
Americans used to understand the simple mechanics of fighting a colonial power to assure independence from it, but no more. I blame homeschooling on this pussyfication of the nation: people who went to public schools learn very early that giving away your lunch money today doesn't buy you anything except the chance to give them both your lunch money and a Gameboy tomorrow.
If any of these fucks sincerely wanted to end the war ASAP they would clamour for return of nuclear weapons and strategic means of delivery taken from Ukraine in 1994 in exchange for US assurances of their sovereignty, territorial integrity and freedom from threat by force. But they won't because this is not in Putler's interest.
https://covertactionmagazine.com/2022/09/12/ukraine-the-cias-75-year-old-proxy/
Joe Biden “is fueling the fire in the Ukraine.”
— Roger Waters of Pink Floyd ...
As Noam Chomsky expressed it: “It’s quite interesting that in American discourse, it is almost obligatory to refer to the invasion as the ‘unprovoked invasion of Ukraine.’ Look it up on Google, you will find hundreds of thousands of hits. Of course, it was provoked. Otherwise they wouldn’t refer to it all the time as an unprovoked invasion.” If Chomsky is not convincing enough, perhaps the U.S./NATO warmongers might heed Pope Francis, certainly no Russophile, who ascertained that the invasion is the result of “the barking of NATO at the gates of Russia…. I can’t say if it was provoked, but perhaps, yes.”
Yeah, the only quick way to end a war against you is to surrender. And then find youself in a shallow grave with hands tied in the back and a bullet in your head. But this is the sacrifice that Waters cunt is willing to make for somebody else.
And isn't it ironic that Chomsky, CHOMSKY of all people, that old Commie cunt, is now fawned upon by so-called "conservatives"? What a fucking joke. "I find myself agreeing with Ocasio-Cortez... and Xi.... and Chomsky.... BUT I AM CONSERVATIVE!!!"
Americans used to understand the simple mechanics of fighting a colonial power to assure independence from it, but no more. I blame homeschooling on this pussyfication of the nation: people who went to public schools learn very early that giving away your lunch money today doesn't buy you anything except the chance to give them both your lunch money and a Gameboy tomorrow.
If any of these fucks sincerely wanted to end the war ASAP they would clamour for return of nuclear weapons and strategic means of delivery taken from Ukraine in 1994 in exchange for US assurances of their sovereignty, territorial integrity and freedom from threat by force. But they won't because this is not in Putler's interest.
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AD
2022 Sep 27, 11:57pm
AD
2022 Sep 27, 11:57pm
Yeah, once Russian solidifies its control in eastern Ukraine such as Dombas and north of Crimea than it will continue to put pressure further east toward Kiev.
I don't see Russia just stopping and holding ground.
The problem is outside those occupied regions, there was not as much support for Russia prior to the invasion. I suspect there is very little to no support now especially in cities like Kharkiv.
So does Putin try to force all dissident Ukrainians out and further west as he tries to gain even more land such as Odessa ?
I agree, as with Putin, its either you comply or you get pushed out of your home /homeland (and are lucky enough to not end in a mass grave).
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I don't see Russia just stopping and holding ground.
The problem is outside those occupied regions, there was not as much support for Russia prior to the invasion. I suspect there is very little to no support now especially in cities like Kharkiv.
So does Putin try to force all dissident Ukrainians out and further west as he tries to gain even more land such as Odessa ?
I agree, as with Putin, its either you comply or you get pushed out of your home /homeland (and are lucky enough to not end in a mass grave).
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AD
2022 Sep 28, 12:03am
AD
2022 Sep 28, 12:03am
Eric Holder says
Yes, listen to Putin's reasoning. It was ramblings but his first reason was that Ukraine was attacking Dombas.
Then he went off on a tangent that Ukraine is historically and culturally part of Russia and that he was going to do them a favor by occupying it and bringing it into the Russian Federation. That was enough to show what his real motivation was, and that any other reason for invading Ukraine is a red herring or lie.
I don't know further east he can go into Ukraine cause its been 30 years since their independence. Most of the hardliners in Ukraine who may be somewhat lukewarm to the Kremlin are at least 75 years old.
He is going to have a hard time even trying to put a puppet government in Kiev if he was to reach to that level of victory. It would be rejected by most people and he could not get the Ukraine military and police to act as Kremlin's enforcers given all the bad blood that has happened since 2014.
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Americans used to understand the simple mechanics of fighting a colonial power to assure independence from it
Yes, listen to Putin's reasoning. It was ramblings but his first reason was that Ukraine was attacking Dombas.
Then he went off on a tangent that Ukraine is historically and culturally part of Russia and that he was going to do them a favor by occupying it and bringing it into the Russian Federation. That was enough to show what his real motivation was, and that any other reason for invading Ukraine is a red herring or lie.
I don't know further east he can go into Ukraine cause its been 30 years since their independence. Most of the hardliners in Ukraine who may be somewhat lukewarm to the Kremlin are at least 75 years old.
He is going to have a hard time even trying to put a puppet government in Kiev if he was to reach to that level of victory. It would be rejected by most people and he could not get the Ukraine military and police to act as Kremlin's enforcers given all the bad blood that has happened since 2014.
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Patrick
2022 Sep 28, 2:48pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 28, 2:48pm
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/27/poll-americans-support-quick-diplomatic-end-to-war-in-ukraine/
US does not want an end to the war. Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.
US does not want an end to the war. Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Sep 28, 5:25pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Sep 28, 5:25pm
Patrick says
I really hate globalism, fucking cancer. Just creates monopoly of very wealthy assholes, who own everything, decide who lives or dies, and we all become beholden to them. Because there is always enough worthless ladder climbers who will do anything and everything immoral they are told to by the elites to climb their fucking ladders.
https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2022/09/27/poll-americans-support-quick-diplomatic-end-to-war-in-ukraine/
US does not want an end to the war. Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.
I really hate globalism, fucking cancer. Just creates monopoly of very wealthy assholes, who own everything, decide who lives or dies, and we all become beholden to them. Because there is always enough worthless ladder climbers who will do anything and everything immoral they are told to by the elites to climb their fucking ladders.
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Eric Holder
2022 Sep 29, 11:17am
Eric Holder
2022 Sep 29, 11:17am
Patrick says
How? The fuckers are in "unlimited partnership" with China, for Pete's sake. There is nothing more globalist than that. Also they got utterly dependent on global corporations for everything - agro, oil&gas, car manufacturing, consumer goods, IT, etc. They embraced the whole coof BS with masks, lockdowns, QR codes, vaxxination and all... So much anti-globalism it hurs, LOL.
Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.
How? The fuckers are in "unlimited partnership" with China, for Pete's sake. There is nothing more globalist than that. Also they got utterly dependent on global corporations for everything - agro, oil&gas, car manufacturing, consumer goods, IT, etc. They embraced the whole coof BS with masks, lockdowns, QR codes, vaxxination and all... So much anti-globalism it hurs, LOL.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Sep 29, 2:12pm
so now that they voted territories into Russia… whats next?
Is Biden gonna go pee on their pipeline again?
Is Biden gonna go pee on their pipeline again?
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Patrick
2022 Sep 29, 4:01pm
Patrick
2022 Sep 29, 4:01pm
Eric Holder says
OK, Russia is a threat to global government by American corporations.
They are an independent power that is not obeying orders from the NSA. That's why the NSA is doing whatever it can to make Americans hate Putin.
Patrick says
Russia is a threat to global government by corporations.
How? The fuckers are in "unlimited partnership" with China, for Pete's sake. There is nothing more globalist than that.
OK, Russia is a threat to global government by American corporations.
They are an independent power that is not obeying orders from the NSA. That's why the NSA is doing whatever it can to make Americans hate Putin.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 30, 4:13am
richwicks
2022 Sep 30, 4:13am
Eric Holder says
Zelenskyy is a traitor. That's how he should end up.
Instead, he's sending millions of Ukrainians to their grave.
All he had to do was refuse to join NATO and implement the Minsk Accords and this whole, stupid war, could have been avoided - or at least, Russia wouldn't have been able to make any excuse for that war.
Yeah, the only quick way to end a war against you is to surrender. And then find youself in a shallow grave with hands tied in the back and a bullet in your head. But this is the sacrifice that Waters cunt is willing to make for somebody else.
Zelenskyy is a traitor. That's how he should end up.
Instead, he's sending millions of Ukrainians to their grave.
All he had to do was refuse to join NATO and implement the Minsk Accords and this whole, stupid war, could have been avoided - or at least, Russia wouldn't have been able to make any excuse for that war.
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richwicks
2022 Sep 30, 4:17am
richwicks
2022 Sep 30, 4:17am
ad says
That's the ultimatum that the US has given in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia.
Of course, leaving those nations alone wouldn't have effects on the United States at all, except save it trillions of dollars. But who cares? It's not like the people who started these wars paid for them. The American public did, fuck them.
I agree, as with Putin, its either you comply or you get pushed out of your home /homeland (and are lucky enough to not end in a mass grave).
That's the ultimatum that the US has given in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, and Somalia.
Of course, leaving those nations alone wouldn't have effects on the United States at all, except save it trillions of dollars. But who cares? It's not like the people who started these wars paid for them. The American public did, fuck them.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Sep 30, 8:32am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2022 Sep 30, 8:32am
Patrick says
this reminds me a lot of what they did in Iraq. Constant stream of "Saddam is evil and needs to go" propaganda. The guys who do all the government propaganda here don't seem to change much. It's as if they just reuse templates or something. Fill in the blank, replace the names, send to newspapers and social media... get paid.
Kind of like a giant system built around cold war, that doesn't have a need to exist or just needs to reform itself. But instead resists any change because there are so many monied interests involved, that this giant network creates a need for itself to exist vs actually being needed. Sometimes I think it's a good thing they are focused on Russia. Because when they don't focus on Russia, they start harassing us Americans, entrapping us and calling us domestic terrorists just to justify their fucking pathetic government existence and bloated fucking budgets.
OK, Russia is a threat to global government by American corporations.
They are an independent power that is not obeying orders from the NSA. That's why the NSA is doing whatever it can to make Americans hate Putin.
this reminds me a lot of what they did in Iraq. Constant stream of "Saddam is evil and needs to go" propaganda. The guys who do all the government propaganda here don't seem to change much. It's as if they just reuse templates or something. Fill in the blank, replace the names, send to newspapers and social media... get paid.
Kind of like a giant system built around cold war, that doesn't have a need to exist or just needs to reform itself. But instead resists any change because there are so many monied interests involved, that this giant network creates a need for itself to exist vs actually being needed. Sometimes I think it's a good thing they are focused on Russia. Because when they don't focus on Russia, they start harassing us Americans, entrapping us and calling us domestic terrorists just to justify their fucking pathetic government existence and bloated fucking budgets.
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