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gabbar
2022 Sep 28, 8:37am
gabbar
2022 Sep 28, 8:37am
WookieMan says
How? Give me some ideas please
the fact is if you want money it's not too hard to come by.
How? Give me some ideas please
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Booger
2022 Oct 1, 2:58pm
Booger
2022 Oct 1, 2:58pm
Seller cuts secret deal with buyer to sell house after contract expires to get out of paying commission.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/xs5fyz/seller_cuts_secret_deal_with_buyer_to_sell_house/
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/xs5fyz/seller_cuts_secret_deal_with_buyer_to_sell_house/
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Ceffer
2022 Oct 1, 3:04pm
Ceffer
2022 Oct 1, 3:04pm
BayArea says
AF transcended the thin membrane that separates genius from insanity and Pat had to ban him. He pops in from time to time under alias with his recognizable themes, but not very often any more.
AF once told me that a good realtor is like a good rapist
Whatever happened to him?
AF transcended the thin membrane that separates genius from insanity and Pat had to ban him. He pops in from time to time under alias with his recognizable themes, but not very often any more.
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Booger
2022 Oct 1, 3:07pm
Booger
2022 Oct 1, 3:07pm
https://thinkrealstate.com/can-a-realtor-refuse-to-submit-your-offer/#What_To_Do_When_the_Realtor_Refuses_to_Submit_Your_Offer
Can a realtor refuse to submit your offer?
Can a realtor refuse to submit your offer?
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WookieMan
2022 Oct 2, 7:21am
WookieMan
2022 Oct 2, 7:21am
gabbar says
I literally just gave one in my comment... In the current environment nobody wants to work. United airlines in Chicagoland is giving $10k bonuses for $25-30/hr to baggage handlers. Is that retire early or fuck you money, no. But you can make above average money with a HS diploma? Absolutely. Plus perks of free flight.
My wife sells, but has construction crews. They're desperate for hires. IL pays prevailing wage and has overtime laws. They generally make $90k per year sitting and driving in a truck and most don't need a CDL. Low level manual labor if any. 3-4 months off collecting unemployment bringing the total to probably $110k and most have trucks and plow and shit in the IL winter. Some of the guys didn't graduate HS.
Caveat is the schedule is generally not flexible in some of these roles. You can make $100k rather easily depending on your family situation. I've shifted to part time because my wife can make $300k. So i'm the kid dad and bring home the vacation and mortgage income. The rest is funny money and retirement investment.... and fucking taxes....
Public works is a low barrier of entry. My neighbor friend was a locator (gas, electric, etc. buried lines). He was getting $17/hr previously. Now got a job with a village for $30/hr. Just applied for a job and WILL get it for $50/hr. No college. Benefits and pension. Again, hours are generally not flexible, but it keeps the bills paid and when you have time off you have money to enjoy it.
If you're a dude there is work 100%. A woman has it harder since they generally cannot handle manual or physical labor. Hell even people that didn't get degrees and get technical training can make bank. My buddy is making $150k with no college degree and learned coding on his own. If you're lacking money or wondering how to get work it's more of a confidence thing in my opinion, at least currently. Businesses and government are desperate for employees. They'd hire a dog if they got 25% of the job done....
WookieMan says
the fact is if you want money it's not too hard to come by.
How? Give me some ideas please
I literally just gave one in my comment... In the current environment nobody wants to work. United airlines in Chicagoland is giving $10k bonuses for $25-30/hr to baggage handlers. Is that retire early or fuck you money, no. But you can make above average money with a HS diploma? Absolutely. Plus perks of free flight.
My wife sells, but has construction crews. They're desperate for hires. IL pays prevailing wage and has overtime laws. They generally make $90k per year sitting and driving in a truck and most don't need a CDL. Low level manual labor if any. 3-4 months off collecting unemployment bringing the total to probably $110k and most have trucks and plow and shit in the IL winter. Some of the guys didn't graduate HS.
Caveat is the schedule is generally not flexible in some of these roles. You can make $100k rather easily depending on your family situation. I've shifted to part time because my wife can make $300k. So i'm the kid dad and bring home the vacation and mortgage income. The rest is funny money and retirement investment.... and fucking taxes....
Public works is a low barrier of entry. My neighbor friend was a locator (gas, electric, etc. buried lines). He was getting $17/hr previously. Now got a job with a village for $30/hr. Just applied for a job and WILL get it for $50/hr. No college. Benefits and pension. Again, hours are generally not flexible, but it keeps the bills paid and when you have time off you have money to enjoy it.
If you're a dude there is work 100%. A woman has it harder since they generally cannot handle manual or physical labor. Hell even people that didn't get degrees and get technical training can make bank. My buddy is making $150k with no college degree and learned coding on his own. If you're lacking money or wondering how to get work it's more of a confidence thing in my opinion, at least currently. Businesses and government are desperate for employees. They'd hire a dog if they got 25% of the job done....
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HeadSet
2022 Oct 3, 6:40pm
HeadSet
2022 Oct 3, 6:40pm
Booger says
Odd. Listing realtors will keep a log of everyone who sees the house while it is under the listing agreement. The typical contract has a provision where if the seller sells to a buyer who saw the house during the listing period, the seller still owes the commission. This post listing protection usually is a year long. That provision is especially enforceable if the buyer was brought in with a buyer's agent.
In the past, I have contacted a buyer before he lists and made an offer. However, the buyer thinks he will get a higher net price if he used a Realtor, so when he lists, I have my name added to an exclusion list. That way I can buy when the listing expires, and no commission is owed.
Seller cuts secret deal with buyer to sell house after contract expires to get out of paying commission.
https://www.reddit.com/r/RealEstate/comments/xs5fyz/seller_cuts_secret_deal_with_buyer_to_sell_house/
Odd. Listing realtors will keep a log of everyone who sees the house while it is under the listing agreement. The typical contract has a provision where if the seller sells to a buyer who saw the house during the listing period, the seller still owes the commission. This post listing protection usually is a year long. That provision is especially enforceable if the buyer was brought in with a buyer's agent.
In the past, I have contacted a buyer before he lists and made an offer. However, the buyer thinks he will get a higher net price if he used a Realtor, so when he lists, I have my name added to an exclusion list. That way I can buy when the listing expires, and no commission is owed.
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SunnyvaleCA
2022 Oct 9, 9:10pm
WookieMan says
That seems to be the problem young people. People willing to leave the familiarity of their hometown, live cheap (room of a rented house with a roommate), and work 60-80 hours a week at some job that actually needs doing will do fine, assuming they read/write/speak English and are legal.
In the current environment nobody wants to work.
That seems to be the problem young people. People willing to leave the familiarity of their hometown, live cheap (room of a rented house with a roommate), and work 60-80 hours a week at some job that actually needs doing will do fine, assuming they read/write/speak English and are legal.
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zzyzzx
2022 Oct 12, 10:46am
zzyzzx
2022 Oct 12, 10:46am
https://www.reddit.com/r/realtors/comments/y1dxgu/1870_agents_have_quit_the_mls_just_this_morning/
1,870 agents have quit the MLS just this morning
1,870 agents have quit the MLS just this morning
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WookieMan
2022 Oct 21, 9:54am
WookieMan
2022 Oct 21, 9:54am
zzyzzx says
Never get a buyer broker. Just go straight to the listing brokers. They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.
Some people are idiots though. We got a dual agency deal on a $2.2M home at 6%. That one alone paid all expenses and my salary for the year. Maybe spent 8 hours on it marketing and showings...
Never get a buyer broker. Just go straight to the listing brokers. They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.
Some people are idiots though. We got a dual agency deal on a $2.2M home at 6%. That one alone paid all expenses and my salary for the year. Maybe spent 8 hours on it marketing and showings...
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zzyzzx
2022 Oct 21, 10:03am
zzyzzx
2022 Oct 21, 10:03am
WookieMan says
So you tell them to cut the price 3% and not have to deal with another agent?
And I think we should collectively troll r/realtors
They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.
So you tell them to cut the price 3% and not have to deal with another agent?
And I think we should collectively troll r/realtors
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WookieMan
2022 Oct 21, 10:21am
WookieMan
2022 Oct 21, 10:21am
zzyzzx says
Basically. With the internet you can find a house just as easy as calling a buyer's broker. Just tell the listing agent you don't represent me, I'll let my attorney handle it. No commission on the buy side of the HUD.
The listing agent will try to sell you on dual agency. Tell them to fuck off. You 100% cannot represent two people in the same transaction fairly. They know it too. They just hope you don't. They'll (listing agent) will tell you they're cutting the commission to 4% from 5% and getting you a lower price. It's a con. And it's legal somehow.
As a buyer YOU have all the leverage. Whether the HUD shows the seller paying commission, YOU are paying the commission for both sides. You are the one with the money. No one gets paid if you don't buy. Hence why I'd go direct to the listing agent, not agree to dual agency. They'll get the deal done 99% of the time to be done with the listing. Listings are where the $$$ is at, but sellers are a fucking pain in the ass deal with.
15 years of my life with people bitching about why their house isn't selling. You didn't fucking listen. Biggest mistake is pricing high and/or not keeping a clean house. From their (god dammit - there) (edit) a horse could sell a house. It's not complicated. Ugh... giving me flashback zzyzzx. Damn you.
WookieMan says
They'll get their 2.5-3% and tell them to fuck off on dual agency. They'll take the sale 9 out of 10 times.
So you tell them to cut the price 3% and not have to deal with another agent?
And I think we should collectively troll r/realtors
Basically. With the internet you can find a house just as easy as calling a buyer's broker. Just tell the listing agent you don't represent me, I'll let my attorney handle it. No commission on the buy side of the HUD.
The listing agent will try to sell you on dual agency. Tell them to fuck off. You 100% cannot represent two people in the same transaction fairly. They know it too. They just hope you don't. They'll (listing agent) will tell you they're cutting the commission to 4% from 5% and getting you a lower price. It's a con. And it's legal somehow.
As a buyer YOU have all the leverage. Whether the HUD shows the seller paying commission, YOU are paying the commission for both sides. You are the one with the money. No one gets paid if you don't buy. Hence why I'd go direct to the listing agent, not agree to dual agency. They'll get the deal done 99% of the time to be done with the listing. Listings are where the $$$ is at, but sellers are a fucking pain in the ass deal with.
15 years of my life with people bitching about why their house isn't selling. You didn't fucking listen. Biggest mistake is pricing high and/or not keeping a clean house. From their (god dammit - there) (edit) a horse could sell a house. It's not complicated. Ugh... giving me flashback zzyzzx. Damn you.
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zzyzzx
2022 Oct 28, 5:29am
zzyzzx
2022 Oct 28, 5:29am
https://www.reddit.com/r/realtors/comments/yf40w1/how_to_respond_to_a_listing_agent_requesting_that/
How to respond to a listing agent requesting that I reduce my commission on the deal to get it done.
How to respond to a listing agent requesting that I reduce my commission on the deal to get it done.
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HeadSet
2022 Nov 7, 8:21am
HeadSet
2022 Nov 7, 8:21am
I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.
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Ceffer
2022 Nov 7, 9:10am
Ceffer
2022 Nov 7, 9:10am
I have taken a page from the Globalists and shoot my Realtors after the deal is done so they can't enjoy their commission.
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Hircus
2022 Nov 7, 10:37am
Hircus
2022 Nov 7, 10:37am
HeadSet says
Agreed. Although, I still have a lot of respect for someone on welfare IF they're aggressively working towards self sufficiency.
I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.
Agreed. Although, I still have a lot of respect for someone on welfare IF they're aggressively working towards self sufficiency.
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Booger
2022 Nov 22, 8:55am
Booger
2022 Nov 22, 8:55am
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/37percent-of-real-estate-agents-in-the-us-couldnt-afford-to-pay-their-rent-in-october-—-another-bad-sign-for-the-housing-market-here-are-3-key-takeaways-for-sellers-right-now/ar-AA148gt9
37% of real estate agents in the US couldn't afford to pay their rent in October
37% of real estate agents in the US couldn't afford to pay their rent in October
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DD214
2022 Nov 22, 9:30am
Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Nov 22, 9:38am
DD214 says
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
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DD214
2022 Nov 22, 9:42am
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
Nice thought however your % may be less than what they can game you for.
Car sales, furniture sales, - as a consumer your goal is to get the item at the least possible cost and as a commission earner your goal is to make as much money as you can for yourself even it that means being unethical, not that such a thing would ever occur
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price
Nice thought however your % may be less than what they can game you for.
Car sales, furniture sales, - as a consumer your goal is to get the item at the least possible cost and as a commission earner your goal is to make as much money as you can for yourself even it that means being unethical, not that such a thing would ever occur
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DD214
2022 Nov 22, 9:43am
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
Master Negotiator vs Unethical Pathologically Lying Sales Person.
I will go with the latter option to win
master negotiator skill
Master Negotiator vs Unethical Pathologically Lying Sales Person.
I will go with the latter option to win
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gabbar
2022 Nov 22, 11:46am
gabbar
2022 Nov 22, 11:46am
DD214 says
A real estate agent once told me, "I didn't create the system". I guess this is how he justified his actions. In this business, most of it is lying/rip off/fraud and this is what is distinct about it.
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
master negotiator skill
Unethical Pathologically Lying Sales Person.
I will go with the latter option to win
A real estate agent once told me, "I didn't create the system". I guess this is how he justified his actions. In this business, most of it is lying/rip off/fraud and this is what is distinct about it.
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HeadSet
2022 Nov 22, 12:26pm
HeadSet
2022 Nov 22, 12:26pm
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
Why do that? Just say you will not buy the house unless the price comes down to X. Then each realtor is looking at either 3% of the lower price or nothing.
lip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
Why do that? Just say you will not buy the house unless the price comes down to X. Then each realtor is looking at either 3% of the lower price or nothing.
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Shaman
2022 Nov 22, 1:32pm
Shaman
2022 Nov 22, 1:32pm
A colostomy bag is worse than a realtor.
They both are shitty, but You can get rid of a realtor.
They both are shitty, but You can get rid of a realtor.
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zzyzzx
2022 Dec 29, 8:11am
zzyzzx
2022 Dec 29, 8:11am
https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/zy1r88/lost_all_on_the_market_i_work_real_estate_both/
The commentary is priceless!
The commentary is priceless!
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GNL
2022 Dec 29, 8:53am
GNL
2022 Dec 29, 8:53am
HeadSet says
Explain further please?
I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.
Explain further please?
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HeadSet
2022 Dec 29, 7:11pm
HeadSet
2022 Dec 29, 7:11pm
GNL says
I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.
Explain further please?
I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.
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WookieMan
2022 Dec 29, 7:45pm
WookieMan
2022 Dec 29, 7:45pm
HeadSet says
1,000%. I'm an angry dude, but I HATE my SIL. I'll be cordial with her unless she gets out of line. She did one time and I physically had to put her in her place. Love my nephew, but she gets free food, rent support, child support, dependent tax write offs, etc. She knows the game. AND we take care of her kid. I'm glad we're able. But 6 fucking DUI's.
Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven. In 24 years or so of having a license, ZERO DUI's. Two speeding tickets when I was young and dumb. 16 and 18. I can't comprehend how a person can get 6 DUI's. Then gets child support from the government because baby daddy is in prison. She makes up for her fuck ups by spending $150 on a pair of Jordans for a kid that will wear them for a year. I wish I had knocked her ass out in the aforementioned physical altercation.
GNL says
Explain further please?
I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.
1,000%. I'm an angry dude, but I HATE my SIL. I'll be cordial with her unless she gets out of line. She did one time and I physically had to put her in her place. Love my nephew, but she gets free food, rent support, child support, dependent tax write offs, etc. She knows the game. AND we take care of her kid. I'm glad we're able. But 6 fucking DUI's.
Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven. In 24 years or so of having a license, ZERO DUI's. Two speeding tickets when I was young and dumb. 16 and 18. I can't comprehend how a person can get 6 DUI's. Then gets child support from the government because baby daddy is in prison. She makes up for her fuck ups by spending $150 on a pair of Jordans for a kid that will wear them for a year. I wish I had knocked her ass out in the aforementioned physical altercation.
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richwicks
2022 Dec 29, 8:00pm
richwicks
2022 Dec 29, 8:00pm
WookieMan says
Don't drink and drive.
If you killed somebody, you'll want to kill yourself. Just don't bother with it. Sleep it off in the car, or take a taxi, or walk. Imagine if you caused an accident, or even were just involved with an accident that wasn't your fault, and a child died? If you're intoxicated, you're fucked either way, and even if the accident isn't your fault, you could have possibly prevented it if you were sober.
Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven.
Don't drink and drive.
If you killed somebody, you'll want to kill yourself. Just don't bother with it. Sleep it off in the car, or take a taxi, or walk. Imagine if you caused an accident, or even were just involved with an accident that wasn't your fault, and a child died? If you're intoxicated, you're fucked either way, and even if the accident isn't your fault, you could have possibly prevented it if you were sober.
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Onvacation
2022 Dec 29, 8:25pm
Onvacation
2022 Dec 29, 8:25pm
GNL says
Explanation? Or illustration?
HeadSet says
I respect a woman who supports herself by being a stripper more than I respect a woman on welfare.
Explain further please?
Explanation? Or illustration?
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GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:04am
GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:04am
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
Can you explain this in more detail please?
DD214 says
Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
Can you explain this in more detail please?
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GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:05am
GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:05am
HeadSet says
I meant to ask that to comment #40.
GNL says
Explain further please?
I thought the meaning was obvious. A woman who falls on hard times but pulls herself up even with "demeaning" jobs like stripper, Keno Writer, sewer cleaner and the like, is more deserving of respect that a woman who uses her child as a meal ticket for an idle life.
I meant to ask that to comment #40.
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GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:06am
GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:06am
richwicks says
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
WookieMan says
Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven.
Don't drink and drive.
If you killed somebody, you'll want to kill yourself. Just don't bother with it. Sleep it off in the car, or take a taxi, or walk. Imagine if you caused an accident, or even were just involved with an accident that wasn't your fault, and a child died? If you're intoxicated, you're fucked either way, and even if the accident isn't your fault, you could have possibly prevented it if you were sober.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:07am
GNL
2022 Dec 30, 7:07am
GNL says
I meant to ask that to comment #40.
richwicks says
WookieMan says
Not with kids in the car but I'll have a couple beers nightly and more on the weekend. And yes, I've driven.
Don't drink and drive.
If you killed somebody, you'll want to kill yourself. Just don't bother with it. Sleep it off in the car, or take a taxi, or walk. Imagine if you caused an accident, or even were just involved with an accident that wasn't your fault, and a child died? If you're intoxicated, you're fucked either way, and even if the accident isn't your fault, you could have possibly prevented it if you were sober.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I meant to ask that to comment #40.
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zzyzzx
2022 Dec 30, 8:16am
zzyzzx
2022 Dec 30, 8:16am
GNL says
I think they mean that if they are using a buyer's agent, their buyer's agent realtor's commission should be based on how much of a discount they can get instead of a set % of the sales price.
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
DD214 says
Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
Can you explain this in more detail please?
I think they mean that if they are using a buyer's agent, their buyer's agent realtor's commission should be based on how much of a discount they can get instead of a set % of the sales price.
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2022 Dec 30, 8:47am
GNL says
sure.
works if selling agent is a greedy bastard motivated by commission. easy to find out in conversation.
they get 2-3% commission as buyer agent. common in CA is 3/2 split lately. or 4.5 if they represent both sides. offer them higher % on anything saved over target price being top commission so they will be incentivised by you.
for example its listed at 220k. if you offer barely a 6% cash commission on saved from list price and you get it for 190, saving you 30k (minus 6% of 30k to pay out upon sale).
FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says
DD214 says
Anytime you are dealing with someone who works on or for a commission , there is a built in conflict of interest between you and them.
flip the commission by giving % of saved from target price. double the rate.
they get 2-3% from sale price. make it 4-6% of saved.
master negotiator skill
Can you explain this in more detail please?
sure.
works if selling agent is a greedy bastard motivated by commission. easy to find out in conversation.
they get 2-3% commission as buyer agent. common in CA is 3/2 split lately. or 4.5 if they represent both sides. offer them higher % on anything saved over target price being top commission so they will be incentivised by you.
for example its listed at 220k. if you offer barely a 6% cash commission on saved from list price and you get it for 190, saving you 30k (minus 6% of 30k to pay out upon sale).
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One of the sales wiennie's at this development was trying to get me to buy some land. I understand that is their job, but the salesman seemed to be oblivious to the economy and market. They are programmed to say "it's a great time to buy" over and over again. :-(
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